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triplechoice:
I asked you because I see you don't know it at all. You don't know the difference between NDE and OBE.

Asking me to Google is deflection .

If I had borrowed definition from google would it have been otherwise if I explained it to you? You have no business with argument.

triplechoice:
What's false NDE?

Before the coming of Christianity to Africa our people were having NDE. It's nothing new and nothing to do with the gospel or the scripture..

Its a natural phenomenon anyone can experience.

You can't say that NDEs which contradicts the Bible is fake. You're saying so because you're a Christian.

If you were practicing Hinduism, you would have accepted the ones which agrees with its scripture, and rejected as fake the ones which contradicts it.Yes, that's the same thing you would have said.



The Bible doesn't contain any NDE experiences which matches the ones currently being reported everywhere or the ones in the op. So how did you then determine what's fake or genuine.

In fact, no one in the Bible reported an NDE where they went through a tunnel of light, meeting and embracing a light, and then visiting heaven or hell and coming back to report it to warn people of what awaits them after death if they don't repent.Nothing like that in the Bible.

So ,it's a lie to say that St Paul's John's had an NDE . They never had it.

You think they had it because you don't know what an NDE is . It's not just having a close shave with death alone. It's much more than death.

In addition,seeing visions of what has happened in the past or what will happen in the future (John in the island of Patmos) while still in the body is not NDE.

And FYI, NDE is a kind of OBE. Using the two terms to mean the same thing exposes your ignorance of not knowing the difference..

You can do nothing against the truth but for the truth.

It wouldn't matter my religious background or upbringing. The truth is the truth is the truth. Even a lot of Christians are living in deception and bound for hell if they don't repent so it is not a matter of your religious background.

It times past, people lived in the darkness of ignorance and God permitted it because He knew the darkness would not last as the light of the truth in the face of the Lord Jesus Christ would shine and the darkness would flee.

But now that the Light has come men have shown themselves to love the darkness more than the Light.

Those who died before the gospel got to them are judged based on their works and conscience. How much more you who the light of the Gospel has been offered and you have rejected it?

Lastly, you said I used the terms NDE and OBE interchangeably. Nothing can be further from the truth. I told you why it is an NDE in the case of the Apostle Paul. Just google it and learn it.

triplechoice:
What's a near death experience,NDE?

What's also an out of body experience,OBE?

If you don't mind you could google it.

MaxInDHouse:
There are two categories of dead people to be resurrected:
RIGHTEOUS ~ Ancient servants of God who lived and served God faithfully throughout their lives.
UNRIGHTEOUS ~ Unbelievers who lived by their God's given conscience without knowing God's laws. Act 24:15

Both will be brought back to life and Christians who never died {John 11:25-26} along with the Christians who resurrected first {1 Thessalonians 4:16} will start teaching all these people the law of Christ that's the time Satan will be imprisoned {Revelations 20:1-3} during all those 1,000 years there will be no religion to stand against the JWs globally as we will teach all resurrected once undisturbed for 1,000 years how Christ want the earth to be a peaceful planet under his rule as the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 2:2-4} it's after mankind has become perfect that Jesus will now release Satan to go about with his last effort to tempt not imperfect humans this time around but perfect humans!
At that time the blood of Jesus can't save anyone again because it was meant to save the imperfect descendants of Adam not perfect humans so whatever anyone chooses to become then will be the basis for judgment against each person. Revelations 20:11-13

At that time there is no more death nor graveyard {Revelations 20:14} because nobody will grow old, get sick or die under Christ's reign! Isaiah 33:24

So after Satan's final test whoever failed to put faith in the teachings of Christ and live accordingly will be destroyed for good along with death and graveyards there will be no such things again. Revelations 20:15

That's the meaning of the Lake of Fire!

A complete departure from the truth as South is from the North. You JWs deny the power of God through the manifestations of the Presence and gifts of the Holy Spirit making your gathering a cemetery for the living, you deny the reality of the afterlife as the dangers of ignoring it...something the Bible has consistently mentioned, you deny the Word of God itself and support the perversion of the truth yet you have the guts...the guts to expect an eternity with the Almighty Father whom you have denied. It is the guts for me.

MaxInDHouse:
Second death! Revelations 20:14

Should I say that you not mentioning that Death and Hades gave up their dead is an oversight? It is like calling prisoners out to appear at their trial. If the prisoner was really, factually non-existent where would be the need to summon him? In that case, where were the dead before their sentencing to the Lake of fire?

You say that hell means the grave and that those who are dead know nothing but in this Scripture we see the dead being judged. I thought you said the dead know nothing so how come they are being judged?

MaxInDHouse:
Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.
Seek ye the LORD, all ye MEEK of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek MEEKNESS: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. Zephaniah 2:2-3



Blessed are the MEEK: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5



There is no salvation for you if you're not MEEK!

A person twisted in their belief can make the Bible seem to say whatever aligns with their belief.

I once read on twitter where a priest loaded down with sin was quoting the part of the Bible that said David's love for Jonathan was like the love of a woman to fulfill his satanic assignment to promote same sex relationship in the church.

Here is Apostle Peter's comment on the issue of twisting Scriptures as seen in the book of 2nd Corinthians 3:15 and 16

15. and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16. as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Max, you have been warned more than a thousand times to make a u-turn from your current trajectory as it leads to destruction.

Meekness as a quality will not save you. Your good works will not save you. If meekness could lead to your salvation then Christ died in vain because there are billions of people who don't know Christ but are meek. There is no other way to God but Jesus. The quality of meekness becomes necessary only after you have received Christ as your Saviour to be like Him. Christ is meek and if we are the body of Christ we all should also be meek. There is a difference.

Just to clarify my above statement so as not to be torn to shreds by misinterpretation. The person in question may not be a shady person in truth, and I am not implying he is. What I said only describes the format of those who have been known to use this very same approach to select their prey.

Geovanni412:
The guy has never insulted anyone

Or asked for people to buy his signals

When he does so, you can attack him

Till then, leave him alone.

I concur. The verbal attack is rather aggressive. However, from Zedegit's point of view selecting and posting only very rare winning trades from a mountain of trades lost is the precursor to deceitfully luring newbies or others to woefully investing with him or seeking his rickety and jalopy trading services that have fallen apart irredeemably to the detriment of his potential investors. They won't immediately reveal their intentions. Many times, they know that all they have to do to attract a willing investor is to post "winning" trades. Zedegit knows their format as do we all. I would just tell traders thinking to invest with him to beware. Caveat Emptor. In this case, investors beware.

MaxInDHouse:
So did he relate the experience of Hellfire?

The Apostle John saw the Lake of fire. Is that not enough for you?

MaxInDHouse:
So what did Jesus mean by saying:

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5 compare to Psalms 37:29

There's no Good News about heaven because nobody has ever lived there before it's here on earth that people lives and can relate with what is giving them problems so the GOOD NEWS is that all those problems will be removed by God's Kingdom when it's brought to the earth! Matthew 6:10

When true disciples of Christ comes to your homes you will be forming knowledgeable when you are completely empty.

Are you implying that meekness replaces the salvation of the soul?

triplechoice:
No. You don't know what's a genuine NDE. You're trying to misinform the public about what you don't know. That's all.

NDE is not Christian doctrine. It's not in the Bible and so you can't claim you're a Christian and still preach it.
I know, because I was once a Christian like you.

The Bible teaches after death then judgement. Nothing like coming back to warn people. There's no one in the Bible that came back to warn anyone of heaven or hell after visiting it or meeting with Jesus.

You're not preaching Christianity but your own doctrine to drive fear into the minds of the gullible.

Lies! The Apostle Paul had a near death experience (NDE) he talked about in the book of 2nd Corinthians 12. This was after he was taken out of the city and stoned. He was left for dead. The Apostle John's experience was an OBE (Out of Body Experience). Everything he saw or did was done by his spirit while his body was left on earth. Stop spreading lies to support your ignorance of the Scriptures.

triplechoice:
Then why are you ignoring the ones which doesn't support your heaven and hell narrative?

Like this one below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6DKsqTs9M8?si=LLGWJFLDe62Ua5pF

There are false NDEs circulating online by the agents of the devil aggressively pushing the notion that death is blissful and everyone who dies will experience peace and joy. Anything that contradicts the Scriptures and the teachings of Jesus is satanic deception. Do you think the devil would fold his hands, do nothing while people come to the truth of the reality of heaven and hell? Be wise. The enemy is always seeking who to devour.

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know what you're saying!

The word GOSPEL simply means GOOD NEWS so try to explain what exactly is the good thing in your story of Hellfire?

Stop giving false interpretations to the Scriptures that are clear as day about the reality of eternal perdition. The Good News is the salvation made possible by the blood of Jesus shed on the cross for our sins and the hope of eternal life with Him in heaven.

You people should be grateful that Tinubu cannot tax the air we breathe otherwise he would have done it long ago. If there was subsidy on the air we breathe Tinubu would have removed it since and promise a better future while digging mass graves with his policies.

justlove91:
Let's assume Hitler truely repented of his actions on his deathbed and accepted Jesus. What will happen to him after death.

IF HE TRUELY REPENTED he would have been forgiven. In the Bible, there was a king known as Manasseh. He did evil in the sight of God. He was known to have sawed the prophet Isaiah in half. He was captured and taken to captivity according to the prophecy of Isaiah. In his captivity, he repented of his sins and was forgiven by God.

justlove91:
If accepting Jesus doesn't absolves the wrongdoer of the consequences of his actions, then accepting Jesus doesn't cleanse sin, what's the point of accepting Jesus then??

Like you quoted, God is not mocked. A person reaps what they sow. If a rapist is caught but truly repents of his actions during the trial, it doesn't mean the rapist is not guilty before the law. He will spend the time allowed by the law in prison. He will suffer the consequences of his actions.

However, since he has repented his soul is set free from condemnation before God and has escaped from the wrath of God to come as long as he maintains his faith to the end. This is the purpose of Christ coming to the world to die for the sins of mankind...to save them from eternity of separation from God in hell fire, and to bring them to eternity with Him and the Father in heaven. This is the point of accepting Jesus.

IAmHim1:
So if I use you to do money rituals today, this very night, I will stand guiltless before God being a new creature, a totally different person from the one who committed those evils


So if your mom had easily aborted you, she will stand blameless as a new creation and CaptainJune and all CaptainJune has ever accomplished and impacted would never exist

Am I missing something CaptainJune

Jesus did not come to the world to condemn it but to save it.

The condition for receiving the gift of salvation is true repentance.

David orchestrated the death of Uriah but he truly repented of his action and God forgave him. The question is, when you repent are you willing to surrender your life totally to Him to please Him?

If the women who have committed abortions and the doctors who helped them in the process repent from their heart God will forgive them. Repentance means recognising your wrongs and asking God to forgive you with the intention not to return to those wrongs. That doesn't mean a Christian is perfect but they should always strive for perfection through love for God and everyone daily. Repentance also carries the notion of absence of plan to commit the action in advance with the intention to seek forgiveness from God after willfully sinning against God. Such repentance is an abomination in His sight. God only honours true repentance.

justlove91:
Yes I can and just did

I don't have to believe his lordship before I can accept his message of love, there are some Buddha's teachings I accept even though I'm not a Buddhist, separate the message from the messenger.

Everything!! Because by smuggling in Jesus as your savior, you're trying to escape the consequences of your actions thereby contradicting the above verse.

That verse didn't imply that accepting Jesus as one's Lord and Saviour absolves a wrongdoer of the consequences of their actions.

Your soul is what needs redemption, not your body which will decay and return to the dust. That decision to accept or reject salvation is toward your eternal welfare as the soul will never die once it has experienced conception in the womb, but you must accept it now in your earthly life.

IAmHim1:
How does a woman who have done countless abortions pay for her sins of killing innocent children

Though the person will have to pay the price according to existing laws of the state by incarceration or otherwise, the soul of that person, however, being a different goal is cleansed through the blood of Jesus.

In the first case, the person suffers the penalty of the laws of the state but their soul is npt redeemed.

In the second case, the person's soul is redeemed through the blood of Jesus, and stands guiltless before God being a new creature, a totally different person from the one who committed those evils. The Word of God says,

Who shall bring an accusation against God's elect? It is God who justifies (Romans 8:33).

Such woman doesn't have to pay the consequences of her sins in reference to salvation. Jesus already paid the consequences of her sins on the cross so that she doesn't have to do that. That is why the message of salvation is called the Good News.

Justlove91, you cannot choose some things in the Bible that agree with your beliefs while you toss the remainder aside. You do not believe in the Lordship of Jesus Christ, but you accept His teaching to love everyone. It doesn't work that way.

To the question you asked, it means you live with the consequences of your actions. A person cannot avert or escape the implications or results of his actions and decisions, good or bad. God is not mocked because it is a natural and spiritual law devoid of manipulation by man or spirit.

What has this got to do with anything?

IAmHim1:
Two problems with your post apart from the fact that you don't read thoroughly

1) Believing that God sent Jesus to die for you and the sins you willingly committed. Lolzzzz.

If Jesus died for Muslims too, why do they confuse Jesus with Mohammed (PBUH) and God with Allah. Could something be wrong with this from the Muslims

How do you think any sin is erased? By your doing good?

justlove91:
Please explain this verse

Galatians 6:7 reads: "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows"

I thought you said the Bible doesn't make sense to you. Why are you quoting it?

justlove91:
That's a lie from the pit of Hell

I hope the Lord opens your eyes to see the truth before it is too late.

IMOHS:
Mathew 26 Vs 24-25

Please, learn the difference between woe and curse. The word Jesus clearly used is 'woe'. It is not the same as pronoucing what would befall him like He did to the fig tree.

IMOHS:
You keep saying Jesus came and died to take away our sins, why did christ then indict humanity on the cross by saying father forgive them for they know not what they do. Humanity murdered the son of God. Also if Jesus was supposed to come and die to wash away our sins, why was Judas Iscariot cursed by jesus for being that channel for the so called salvation?

Christ did not come to condemn the world but to save it (John 3:17). That means your choice of word "indict" is in error. Please, point out the scripture verse where Jesus cursed Judas Iscariot.

justlove91:
Maybe it's because he didn't come in the flesh to die for your sins.

The bible is just one book out of hundreds of religious books.

Jesus did not and cannot die for anyone's sin, whatever you sow, you you you will reap, Jesus will not reap it on your behalf.

There is only one Way, Jesus. Rejecting His blood sacrifice to redeem you from everlasting misery is folly beyond solution.

So unfortunate. So sad. What a dark day. Lives snuffed out at the snap of the finger. What is their eternal destination? For those who died and didn't know Christ a more terrible fate awaits them. Please, give your lives to Christ. A second outside Christ is more dangerous than putting your head in a crocodile's open jaws. May those who survived recover speedily.

justlove91:
This is how I see it, there is the bible teachings and the Spirit teachings. I have no evidence for the truth of the bible teachings neither do I have for the spirit teachings.

Now, the Spirit teachings make far more sense to me than the bible teachings, so I did the logical thing to do, choose the one that at least made sense.

What you're asking me to do is choose the bible teachings which I do not have evidence of it truth and doesn't make sense to me either.

Haven't you noticed that none of this foul, stinking, hateful, disgusting spirits pretending to be humans dead long ago has said that Jesus Christ is Lord and that He came in the flesh and died for our sins? Haven't you noticed? The Bible is here to guide us on the right spiritual path, not spirits. You need faith to follow God, not evidence even though He has supplied more than sufficient evidence of the truth of His Word as He still does. You are relying on your actions, your goodness to furnish yourself with righteousness when you don't even know the meaning of the concept which is why these demoNs are deceiving you. Friend, stop, pause, and think. If everyone goes to paradise on their own righteousness why then did Jesus come to die for our sins?

Moshybear, that friend of yours cannot be the standard for right, wrong, and success. God is. Everything that glitters is not gold. You know that. Seek God first. Learn from your mistakes. Never stop moving forward even if you have to crawl. You will be making good progress.

Familiar spirits. Don't trust them. They will do anything to deceive man including acting as deceased persons. Your soul's eternal welfare depends on heeding this advice.

RickyJesus:
That's in no way a differing opinion, he doesn't even understand the Crux of the matter; I have entertained alot of comment that are in line with the Op.

"dumbass" is a strong word. You could just have closed your ears to what he said in preference to the strong word used. In my case, I prefer typing as a form of communication using whatsapp, but I wouldn't begrudge anyone the right to their preferred communication style. Voicenote has its uses, so does typing. I understand there are things that can't be expressed through typing where the effect sought may be watered down. That is where voicenote comes in. Just one of pros for voicenote.

Aemmyjah:
Question
No insult

Will you attribute your mother as terrible?
Yes or No?

Wrong question. When I cite the terrible or severe nature of God, I am referring to His judgment after a person has died without salvation. There is no mercy or salvation in the grave. Judgment is instant. Comparing this to a person has no basis or logcal relationship because the person is not God who loves the good and evil and judges them when they die.