₦airaland Forum

membranus:
Soludo, as likely Igbo President, is sellable than Obi. The combative nature of the obidients has diminished his chance nationwide.

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I have said it many times, the longer it takes for the Ibos put their weight behind an electable ibo leader the longer it will take for them to realize their ambition of an Ibo president. Obi is unelectable!

I have the example of Awo, Awo was unelectable despite his brilliance. You cannot become president of Nigeria if you are unsellable outside your tribe….you are just a regional champion.

I like Soludo but he is in the wrong party and you just don’t decamp to a party and get the presidential ticket ahead of those who Laboured through thick and thin. 2 other Ibos that are electable are Umahi and Chidoka. However, Chidoka just resigned from politics.

Tinubu with a second term installing Umahi as VP is IMHO the ibo’s best path to the presidency. But in their shortsightedness they will insult you and say it’s a ploy to get Tinubu a second term. Like I have said before the Tinubu we are seeing is not moving like a man who cares if you vote for him in 2027 or not. Or they will reject him because he is from Ebonyi.

IMHO from my reading of the current political climate, the only person who has what it takes to actualize an Ibo presidency is Tinubu. The North will not but the ibos see him as their enemy. They don’t realize in politics, sometimes it is in the interest of your enemy to help you just like ElRufai helped Tinubu. Any sensible ibo man should see what is happening with the tax bill, only Tinubu can galvanize the rest of the country including the middle belt despite the opposition of the North and not bend. if Tinubu says ibo will be VP or president, ibo will be VP or president, nobody else on the scene right now can do it. Obasanjo failed,At8ku failed. Unfortunately the next slot is 2039 by which time Tinubu may be to old to wield the powers he has now but he will be able to do half the job by puting an Ibo man in Aso rock as VP.

Orders for PMS are made months in advance. The Refineries don’t start working today and you return the orders you made 6 months ago.

ubest1:
You should be thinking more on PBAT because Obedient still know their leader

We are not worried about Tinubu because Tinubu himself is not worried about 2027. Do the reforms he is undertaking look like that of a man who cares about 2027?

Bold leaders do the right thing, they don’t worry about reelection. Leaders working for the next generation don’t concern themselves with the present because the present will always resist the necessary changes.

If he contests and he loses, he comes back to Bourdullon as an ex president who has done more to restructure the country for the better than all the presidents and heads of states since 1966. Obi will never. Have the honour of being called a president talk less an ex-president.

I however give you one sure thing. If he does contest and he loses, it won’t be to Obi.

You see that GCFR? It is only for presidents and heads of state.

TrackerSK:
North thought they are smart.They gave us buhari and Ahmed lawan,in return we gave them tinubu and Akpabio.They started crying.You thought only you guys have dumb and useless leaders in your region?

The North has been demystified!!! Things will never be the same again.

I have repeated it many times Obi will get less votes in 2027 than he got in 2023. Most of his staunch allies have deserted him. Okupe, Okonkwo, etc. now hos elected members are abandoning him. They are seeing what we always knew about Obi. It seems the only people who can’t see are the non Ibo supporters who got sold a bridge in London! For the Ibo supporters it was never about capacity or character or competence (all of which Obi lacks) it was and is about Ibo presidency.

seunowa:
Educated illiterate what is blending if not one of the processes in refining.

Ko le ye won, illiterate ni won! Awon omo ti oni lari!

seunowa:
Educated illiterate what is blending if not one of the processes in refining.

Ko le ye won, illiterate ni won!

This is why the Uk should be more selective about the kinds of people they give Visas

Thundafireseun:
Long but interesting read…

My major concern is why does Peter Obi feel that the police there was gross miss use of power by the police??

Dele should Defend himself…. Simple and short

It is because you think Obi is a person to be reckoned with that you take anything he says seriously. Chartalan should have a picture of Obi next to it in the dictionary.

Good

smallsmall:
Is abducting someone like a "Mafia Gun-hand", from Lagos, to Ekiti State, at Gun Point, what you call "Pressing Charges"?
Some of you appear to be product of his University in Ekiti, the way you reason.
If Babalola was "erudite", he should have just have instituted a Civil Suit in a Court, instead of all these intimidation.
Erudite SAN's, even newly qualified Lawyers know that Defamation or Libel falls under Tort, it is not a Criminal offense and the Police have No-hand in it.
Body of Benchers need to disrobe this man, he has brought opprobrium to their Name.

First of all I saw the video he was arrested not manhandled

Secondly if you were properly educated, the 1st thing expected of an educated person is to look for and read the charges. I posted them in in this thread because I know there are many educated ignorant people like you.

If you had actually read the charges. He is charged under multiple sections of the criminal code. The next thing an educated person would be to google the criminal code and see what these sections related to.

I also read the sections of the criminal code and indeed defamation can be civil and criminal. A simple google search could have told you that.

Afe Babalola became a SAN when they didn’t dish out SANs Willy nilly just like I was educated in an era when our transcripts (not degree certificates) of gained us admission to Ivy League universities abroad without need for any further cverification, certificates or English proficiency exams.

Where my education started is where yours ended. The hallmark of an educated person is in how he thinks and processes information e.g getting his facts before he talks. You learn this if you are properly educated or you would never get good grades if that was not embedded in you. Regurgitating for exams to get a certificate does not mean the school has passed through you, all it means it you passed through a school and remembered facts on the day of the test. Education is not passing exams, education is a critical thinking process which you and many of your ilk on Nairaland display a lack everyday!

Education is not a sham after all Next time you see any of my posts, know you are dealing with someone who has his facts before he posts and come correct or you will be taken to the cleaners.

For those of you who like to post falsehoods, Read section 375 well! defamation is a CRIMINAL offense whether you do so knowingly or not. The only difference is you knowlingly defame the punishment is 2 years in prison while if it is unknowingly it is 1 yr. Posting on social media can be regarded as publishing so be guided

Feel free to verify:


https://lawsofnigeria.placng.org/laws/C38.pdf

Finally, when you publish a book that defames and that book is read in Ekiti, you can be sued in Ekiti. If Afe Babalola lives in Ekiti, and reads (or others read) the book in Ekiti, he can report the criminal activity to the Ekiti police! He is not obliged to come and report you to the Lagos police because you live in Lagos. For the same reason the US charges Nigerian looters in Us courts for money laundering when the actual looting occurred in Nigeria. Defamation occurs in the jurisdiction where the book is read just like money laundering occurs where the money is received. That’s why Afe Babalola is a respected SAN and Dele is an unwashed nobody trying to cash in and make a name for himself in his old age on a movement birthed by ignorant imbeciles and chartalans!

PressMyButton:
I hope noisemakers are watching the moves of Jagaban, the master strategist. He did not withdraw the bill, he directed AGF to work with NASS to address contentious areas in the bill. Senate then set up a committee to meet with the AGF to address the grey areas. Most of the members of the committee are Jagaban's boys. Meanwhile, Jagaban is still in South Africa while his boys in Aso rock are running things, When he comes back, every issues will be case closed. Opposition will have their say and Jagaban will have his way.


After God, na Tinubu 💪 God bless Nigeria.

and his joker is the law suit at the supreme court

kafeii123:
...well from what Dele has published online in Nivember about the matter..I think Dele can prove many things..that's why Afe had to move him to Ekiti....where he could dictate to the governor and courts....just as Dele accused him of doing in lagos at the times the crimes he committed happened. If he really is worth his salt..He Afe should have dragged Dele to court in Lagos.... Justice kekere ekun is on US banned in the US now over shady dealings and wrong judgements ... I will see if the ekiti judges they want to use will be willing to damage their reputation to that level too...cos it may get there.

All you wrote above is your opinion. Everybody has one even the uninformed.

My money is on Babalola!

kafeii123:
...well from what Dele has published online in Nivember about the matter..I think Dele can prove many things..that's why Afe had to move him to Ekiti....where he could dictate to the governor and courts....just as Dele accused him of doing in lagos at the times the crimes he committed happened. If he really is worth his salt..He Afe should have dragged Dele to court in Lagos.... Justice kekere ekun is on US banned in the US now over shady dealings and wrong judgements ... I will see if the ekiti judges they want to use will be willing to damage their reputation to that level too...cos it may get there.

My money is on Babalola!

kafeii123:
Okay nah...These are the types of cases where sleeping dogs should be let to lie.....I believe that Farotimi himself may be expecting these cases exhumed.....and brought back to the fore and in doing so...now have the supreme court revisit them. especially now that he Farotimi is a bigger fish and commands larger audience.

If this is the case, then Baba Afe may end up having his legacy dragged through mud...whether or now he is ready for that level of dragging is remains to be seen...and whether or not the accused has enough evidence for his assertions ..we will kuku know soon too.

For an erudite SAN to press charges, I think he knows Dele cannot prove anything.

Tinubu has demystified the North!

See then running helter skelter. How have the mighty fallen!!!

Ase won o tie le!

By the time Tinubu is done with his 1st term it won’t matter if he is not re-elected. The process towards true federalism is in full effect and it can’t be stopped!

As a side note to those harboring hopes of an Obi presidency. Chants of GEJ should tell you he is not even an option to them
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UltraSolid:
It looks like a slam dunk and shut case against Uncle Dele. Uncle Dele, without caution or consideration, impugned the professional reputation of Babalola and sought to damage his standing, as dedicated and competent lawyer, before the entire world.

If Babalola decides to see this to the end then Uncle Dele will definitely be sanctioned severely because there is a book or publication involved and not just word of mouth which can be denied or repudiated.

It’s not just Babalola, he defamed the Supreme Court!!!

He go spend time no 2 ways!!!

JASONjnr:
But why was he arrested in the first place?

He wrote that he has facts to back up his claims and the first thing that could come to Babalola could think of was to arrest Dele like a common criminal.

Because if you read the charges in my post above, the offenses under which is charged are criminal acts.

Did I miss something? I didn’t see him being manhandled anywhere!

JASONjnr:
He should be charged directly to court and not arrest him like a common criminal before taking him to the court.


How many politicians get arrested and taken to prison before appearing in court for character defamation with the stolen funds they keep stealing?

He has been charged to court. The allegations are serious.

Note: this is not a civil matter, he has been charged under multiple sections of the criminal code

There is a certain eeediot who is always seeking my attention. Mentioning me in posts and responding to my posts in the hope he gets my attention.

He should note that I do not read his posts and by now have realized I have no intention to engage those who have proven themselves to be intellectually challenged. Nairaland needs an ignore button!

Xox1945:
Nigeria is a criminal enterprise
True will win is just a matter of time

We have been shouting Nigeria is a criminal enterprise and you think you can get away with defaming one of the most senior lawyers in the country?

Look, there is the law (that we all know is never followed) and there is personal responsibility and engaging your brain. We are not in London! Understand your environment!

The likes of Fela went to jail and heaven did not fall. A system Fela fought all his life and did not change is not a system a 2 bit unwashed lawyer wannabe activist is going to dent.

Even the man that was lawyer to Fela has borrowed himself brain and does his “activism” with sense. Is it that he thinks he knows more about the corruption in the system than Falana? You see Falana libel or defame anybody? You see them arrest Falana?

gidgiddy:
This should have been a civil matter, in a civil court, between Farotimi and Babalola

The Police should not have been part of this

If you feel someone has defamed you, sue for damages in a civil court, not criminal court

When have you ever seen anyone compensated for bringing a civil defamation case to court in Nigeria?

Exactly! That’s why we resort to jungle Justice!

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that Peter Obi’s only governor, Labour Party’s only governor, mama papa pickin party’s only governor has not implemented the “paltry” minimum wage for the Nigerian worker?

The party of the working man!

This can’t be true!!!

Nonsense people!!

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that Peter Obi’s only governor, Labour Party’s only governor, mama papa pickin party’s only governor has not implemented the “paltry” minimum wage for the Nigerian worker?

This can’t be true!!!

IFECHIGCON:
Oba of Lagos Abi Tinubu aide

All Obas are subservient to the state!

SalamRushdie:
Very useless country, just see how a SAN is is displaying his social power

When the eeediot was using his social power to defame a highly respected SAN where were you?

The bill will pass and heaven will not fall. If you like don’t vote for Tinubu, we don’t care and I don’t think he cares. A man who is willing to take on the Northern establishment, the subsidy cartel, the forex cartel….is not bothered about his re-election.

The man to fear is not the Godfather or the mafia but the man who got to the top without a Godfather!

Believeintruth:
Oga all this epistle doesn't change anything. YOU DON'T HAVE SENSE ......

You are ignorant because you have a fear of reading. That’s why you post and there is no difference between you and Jelili the mechanic. I have made a mental note to add you to the list of mor0ns I no longer respond to.

Believeintruth:
you are really delusional. Guy you are naturally a daft pretending to be intelligent.

Your problem is buffoonery and laziness. This thing is there in black and white. I am replying not for your sake as you have made it clear you are a ret3rd. I post because others are reading

For a list of the 68 items on the exclusive list, see

SCHEDULE II. LEGISLATIVE POWERS

Part I. Exclusive Legislative List

Item

Accounts of the Government of the Federation, and of offices, courts, and authorities thereof, including audit of those accounts.
Arms, ammunition and explosives.
Aviation, including airports, safety of aircraft and carriage of passengers and goods by air.
Awards of national titles of honour, decorations and other dignities.
Bankruptcy and insolvency.
Banks, banking, bills of exchange and promissory notes.
Borrowing of moneys within or outside Nigeria for the purposes of the Federation or of any State.
Census, including the establishment and maintenance of machinery for continuous and universal registration of births and deaths throughout Nigeria.
Citizenship, naturalisation and aliens.
Commercial and industrial monopolies, combines and trusts.
Construction, alteration and maintenance of such roads as may be declared by the National Assembly to be Federal trunk roads.
Control of capital issues.
Copyright.
Creation of States.
Currency, coinage and legal tender.
Customs and excise duties.
Defence.
Deportation of persons who are not citizens of Nigeria.
Designation of securities in which trust funds may be invested.
Diplomatic, consular and trade representation.
Drugs and poisons.
Election to the offices of President and Vice-President or Governor and Deputy Governor and any other office to which a person may be elected under this Constitution, excluding election to a local government council or any office in such council.
Evidence.
Exchange control.
Export duties.
External affairs.
Extradition.
Fingerprints identification and criminal records.
Fishing and fisheries other than fishing and fisheries in rivers, lakes, waterways, ponds and other inland waters within Nigeria.
Immigration into and emigration from Nigeria.
Implementation of treaties relating to matters on this list.
Incorporation, regulation and winding up of bodies corporate, other than co-operative societies, local government councils and bodies corporate established directly by any Law enacted by a House of Assembly of a State.
Insurance.
Labour, including trade unions, industrial relations; conditions, safety and welfare of labour; industrial disputes; prescribing a national minimum wage for the Federation or any part thereof; and industrial arbitration.
Legal proceedings between Governments of States or between the Government of the Federation and Government of any State or any other authority or person.
Maritime shipping and navigation, including-
shipping and navigation on tidal waters;
shipping and navigation on the River Niger and its affluents and on any such other inland waterway as may be designated by the National Assembly to be an international waterway or to be an inter-State waterway;
lighthouses, lightships, beacons and other provisions for the safety of shipping and navigation;
such ports as may be declared by the National Assembly to be Federal ports (including the constitution and powers of port authorities for Federal ports).
Meteorology.
Military (Army, Navy and Air Force) including any other branch of the armed forces of the Federation.
Mines and minerals, including oil fields, oil mining, geological surveys and natural gas.
National parks being such areas in a State as may, with the consent of the Government of that State, be designated by the National Assembly as national parks.
Nuclear energy.
Passports and visas.
Patents, trade marks, trade or business names, industrial designs and merchandise marks.
Pensions, gratuities and other-like benefit payable out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund or any other public funds of the Federation.
Police and other government security services established by law.
Posts, telegraphs and telephones.
Powers of the National Assembly, and the privileges and immunities of its members.
Prisons.
Professional occupations as may be designated by the National Assembly.
Public debt of the Federation.
Public holidays.
Public relations of the Federation.
Public service of the Federation including the settlement of disputes between the Federation and officers of such service.
Quarantine.
Railways.
Regulations of political parties.
Service and execution in a State of the civil and criminal processes, judgements, decrees, orders and other decisions of any court of law outside Nigeria or any court of law in Nigeria other than a court of law established by the House of Assembly of that State.
Stamp duties.
Taxation of incomes, profits and capital gains, except as otherwise prescribed by this Constitution.
The establishment and regulation of authorities for the Federation or any part thereof-
to promote and enforce the observance of the Fundamental Objectives and Directive Principles contained in this Constitution;
to identify, collect, preserve or generally look after ancient and historical monuments and records and archaeological sites and remains declared by the National Assembly to be of national significance or national importance;
to administer museums and libraries other than museums and libraries established by the Government of a state;
to regulate tourist traffic; and
to prescribe minimum standards of education at all levels.
The formation, annulment and dissolution of marriages other than marriages under Islamic law and Customary law including matrimonial causes relating thereto.
Trade and commerce, and in particular-
trade and commerce between Nigeria and other countries including import of commodities into and export of commodities from Nigeria, and trade and commerce between the states;
establishment of a purchasing authority with power to acquire for export or sale in world markets such agricultural produce as may be designated by the National Assembly;
inspection of produce to be exported from Nigeria and the enforcement of grades and standards of quality in respect of produce so inspected;
establishment of a body to prescribe and enforce standards of goods and commodities offered for sale;
control of the prices of goods and commodities designated by the National Assembly as essential goods or commodities; and
registration of business names.
Traffic on Federal trunk roads.
Water from such sources as may be declared by the National Assembly to be sources affecting more than one state.
Weights and measures.
Wireless, broadcasting and television other than broadcasting and television provided by the Government of a state; allocation of wave-lengths for wireless, broadcasting and television transmission.
Any other matter with respect to which the National Assembly has power to make laws in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution.
Any matter incidental or supplementary to any matter mentioned elsewhere in this list.


The constitution (under the concurrent list) also clearly states that the collection of income taxes other than on companies must be collected by states and only states. So federal can set the rate for income tax but it must be collected by states.

See 3rd picture below


The issue here is that VAT is unspecified in the constitution because it is a consumption tax, the constitution talks about income taxes, company taxes, capital gains taxes, profit taxes etc but it doesn’t mention sales or consumption taxes which is what VAT is.

The constitution also says that anything not in the exclusive or concurrent list is automatically residual and the domain of states and states ONLY! That is why the lottery case is significant. Because just like consumption tax, lottery is not mentioned in the exclusive or concurrent lists.

Believeintruth:
you are the one rather who is trying to lump VAT and Lottery together. why not just be silent and let us see how the events unfold.

Oga try for yourself and read the constitution yourself. I have indulged you enough. I really get tired of unintelligent back and forth from ignoramuses.

I am sure you don’t even understand the concept of exclusive, concurrent and residual lists. That is why you are saying that lottery is different from VAT.

Even English you don’t understand. I never said they are the same. I said the principle in law from which it is determined who has the right to impose VAT or operate lottery is determined by whether the item is on the exclusive, concurrent or residual lists. For the same reason you cannot have state police or armies because they are on the exclusive list.

Get this into your poorly educated thick skull. Any item on the residual list is under the jurisdiction of states and states ONLY


We have a serious comprehension and education problem in this country!

Believeintruth:
That is lottery and not VAT, and this is not the first time Supreme court contradicted themselves. They did so in Buhari Vs Yar A' Dua and recently the Presidential tribunal on the issue of Abuja's status in the election.

You are looking at this from a layman’s uninformed and emotional viewpoint. The issue in law is which arm of government has the right to levy taxes of this sort, The constitution specifically identifies what is in the exclusive, concurrent or residual lists. For instance it is the constitution that specifies that company tax goes to federal while income tax goes to states. You cannot impose a tax you have no legal backing to. Unfortunately in the rush to transition to civilian rule they just copied the 1979 constitution and did not insert a provision for VAT. By the rules of the constitution VAT is a state tax.

VAT, lottery etc fall under residual. So Federal govt has no legal authority to levy VAT. It’s an open and shut case, especially since they have ruled in the lottery suit in favour of states.

https://punchng.com/just-in-supreme-court-nullifies-national-lottery-act/

teejoyz:
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Tinubu is actually doing them favour by introducing the Bill. If it fail then Lagos and rivers may actually win the case in the supreme Court thereby keeping 100%•
For their information tax on lottery and betting no longer go to federal again after a landmark judgement last week in the supreme Court

It is not a case of “may” it is “will”.

It is however not in the interest of the country for the case to go to the supreme court because every state will just introduce their own vat or sales and it will result in multiple taxes on the same products and inflation.