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Dotherightthing:
These ADC are MAD o

Are they not happy prices of food are coming down?

When your campaign strategy is complain and there is nothing to complain about.

Let’s stop glorifying nonsense. Many of these positions are not because of the individual but because it is the turn of Nigeria.

How much of a low self esteem must a Nigerian have to enable a manipulative white man in your internal affairs?

Reno is Reno, we know his antecedents! But anyone celebrating or glorifying this American is a bastard!

Segxydube:
Whc company go sell truck to u at a loss?

Dey play

Like I said, Nigerians don’t understand business. That’s why we have no mega corporations and when one emerges we start to shout monopoly. Do you how many years the amazons, metas of those world operated at a loss before they became profitable? You’ve been using YouTube Twitter, WhatsApp and Google for free, you think someone isn’t paying for it? Now you are hooked they start charging you or monetizing by including ads. But alll the while you were using it for free they were making a loss.

What you have displayed is the typical
Mentality of a Nigerian businessman which is why we remain small time. That’s why you sell hundred items when your mates sell in tens or hundreds of thousands.

A typical motor vehicle has 30,000 parts. If you were to buy each part individually it will cost you up to ten times the price of the car. The money in volume auto manufacturing is from service and parts sales. That’s why a manufacturer will sell at a loss if need be because in the life of that car he will make his money from parts.

That’s why Nigerian manufacturers like Innoson can never grow or compete because they want to make money on the initial car sale instead of pushing out as many cars as they can at whatever cost. Not understanding that a car is just an assembly of parts that will wear out over time and be continuously replaced. If I don’t buy your brand I can’t buy parts for a car I don’t drive and like I said parts and service is where the money is. If I sell you a car and give you a 3 year warranty, you must service the car using my parts for your warranty to be valid, so whatever money I lost in selling the car I will make back in service parts which can be up to 10x the cost but I must first lock you into the car.

Nigerians are traders not businessmen.

Nigerians are not used to businesses operating at scale and efficiency. we are used to imported tokunboh rickety trucks, with bald tyres and the tank welded by local welders.

This is what happens when a man investS $20B in a business. I can bet you each of those brand new smart looking dangote trucks costs less or the same as the ricketty tokunboh fuel tankers. Thats barganing power of scale at work. when you are buying 10,000 trucks, the manufacturer can even sell to you at cost or even a loss knowing he will make his money on service parts. meanwhile you are buying tokunboh, the foreign dealer wants to make 20%, the nigerian dealer wants to make 30%. you will then fabricate the tank in Nigeria at more than the cost of a factory tank fabrication in china. Dangote will replace the trucks after 5 years and sell to you the one man retailer at the same price he paid for it new.


Nigerians think they are businessmen because in Nigeria no matter how inefficient you are you add 100% to your cost and somebody will buy, Nigerians dont understand business, everybody wants to be the owner of an inefficient small scale business and be a big man in a small pond.

I repeat, no new state will be created!

SpencerForbes:
It's really scary, and if the minister or NFF president is called out by the press, they'll resort to insults and bragging about their power. So shameful.

Place the blame at the right place. NFF is independent of the ministry of sports and the govt. I think we were even banned at one time for govt interfering with the NFF.

Urgent1Million:
This is very unnecessary.
Handing the mic to Alaafin wasn't a disrespect by the Ooni. The man is left-handed and feels more comfortable handling things with his left hand.
He even writes with his left hand.
Also, I see the action of the Alaafin as a mere precaution. I have a colleague who doesn't even handle a mic during official events.
I believe this isn't the first time the Alaafin will be wrapping a mic before using it. That's why his aide was there ready with the handkerchief.
As usual, bloggers just want to make something out of nothing.

As I have said above we know he is left handed but as a custodian of culture and tradition, he should be aware of his condition and also the significance of the left hand in yoruba culture.

I believe the Ooni is left handed and possibly got lost in the moment and went on pure instinct. He should have apologized though. The Alaafin reaction is normal as it is disrespectful in yoruba culture to hand anything to anyone with the left hand. In yoruba culture that is the hand you use to clean your yansh.

Their problem!

However my issue with both is I don’t believe as custodians of culture and tradition a king especially kings as senior as those two should speak English in public. It doesn’t sit well with me.

shogsman:
let him come back home na, 1.5m here and you're saying he'd have 2 drivers and a cook, so na wood dem go dey eat, what about his family, a single man spends 150-200k minimum for feeding monthly in Nigeria

I am assuming the figures are monthly. To start with if you earn $1000 a month in America you are poor, not just poor you are below poor, you are dead poor, by the time you pay rent, you may have to go to food banks to get food or turn off your heating in winter.

N1.5m in Nigeria is N18m a year. Even after tax that’s about N15 a year. Rent N4-5m a year leaves you with N10-11m or 800k a month. You are still many times better than someone in America on $1,000 a month.

Skydivine:
Today I cooked a pot of stew that will last for 2 weeks

Tomatoes $6
Pepper $1
Red bell pepper $2
Onions $3
Beef $10
Whole chicken $6
Oil $3
Total $31.

25kg Bag of rice $10
Beans $20
Two slice big bread $4
Semo big size $15
Total $49

$49 + $31 = $80

I have not even spent up to $100 but I have food enough for the two weeks.

You haven’t told people how much you pay for rent, heating or AC, transport. If you earn $1000 a month in America you are for all intents no different from someone earning N100k a month in Nigeria. You are both below the poverty line and both struggling.

In fact you are likely worse than the person in Nigeria because over there you will have no one to turn to for urgent 5k.

AirBere:
Lol...funny guy. On top online convo lol 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

How did you know 98% wished they could come back... simple question you dey go back and forth

Did you not say have a good day AKA end of conversation?

Below is the person I was responding to, you inserted yourself into a conversation that did not involve you.

If I see you on my mentions on this thread my response will be a block.

AirBere:
Well, not a fan of back and forth and it seems we've hit a road block. If you think I'm the one that started the 98% talk. Lol

The very first post I quoted had this 5) 98% wish they could come back

That's where the whole convo started from but don't worry man. Have a nice day chief.

The post I responded to started the 98% issue. You then jumped into a conversation that had nothing to do with you.

Maybe next time stay out of other people’s conversations so you don’t get caught up in the crossfire.

AirBere:
This is a valid convo and I'm kinda enjoying your input though.

The reason why I came I was just to make you understand that I'm not sure your statistics of 98% hoping they could come back is true.

I personally don't think 98% of Nigerians abroad are hoping to come back but couldn't. I actually do not agree with this but I agree with ya other inputs.

I used 98% in response to the 98% in your post I responded to.

So when you ask me to be scientific, you first be scientific. The 98% was from you.

When you make sweeping generalizations state your circumstances. If you are from ajegunle 98% of your peers are from Ajegunle and your sample size will reflect the views of only those people you have access to. If you are a graduate from a middle class background, your 98% will represent the views of those in your circle. So throwing these figures around without context is misleading. A project manager earning £150k pa has a different view from a care worker on minimum wage. A project manager may feel my mates in Nigeria are directors and CEOS whereas a care worker may be grateful he is able to do care work have electricity, running water and eat McDonald’s.

AirBere:
Brother, lemme speak only for myself then since you don't believe my colleagues. I love Nigeria so much but I've never for once felt the need to relocate home and stay permanently even though I still visit Nigeria. My kids, wife, we're extremely happy here.

This December, I'll be back again to see my Mum and other family members. After a week or two, I'll be back to base.

Everybody’s situation is different, what I don’t like is people making generalizations and leading people here in Nigeria astray. A man who comes from Ajegunle and finds himself abroad has a different perspective on London from someone who comes from a middle class background. A man who is a care worker in London has a different perspective from a doctor or an IT worker in the UK. A man who has an entrepreneurial spirit has a different perspective from someone who is born to be an employee. A man who had no contacts or access in Nigeria is different from someone who knows people. A man without citizenship will have a different experience from someone who doesn’t. All will look at relocating or remaining abroad differently. That’s why whenever I see people glorifying japa I come on to counter and give the other side.

Do you have papers? Are you a citizen or a japa? What kind of job do you do? What kind of environment did you come from in Nigeria? What sort of savings do you have? Do you have children? When you are glorifying living abroad let people know where you are coming from. That way they know why for you it is better and why it may not be better for them.

Northernblood8:
Don't be deceived. We are recovering not growing. If you lost 10,000 naira and then recovered 500 naira, you've actually not made any progress

Tell that to an Argentinian and see if you won’t receive a slap.

AirBere:

How were you able to quantity this statistics? What tools did you use/sample size. Now I understand why I was told that all statistics are made up until proven otherwise.
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USA is better than Scotland, and I've been staying in Scotland since 2001. I've never felt the need to come back and live in Nigeria but I do visit once a year or once in two years and I don't stay more than 2weeks or at maximum a month. I enjoy visiting Nigeria but not to come back and stay permanently.

I have colleagues in the UK, Canada, Germany, Malta, Luxembourg, Switzerland in the same boat. We all love Nigeria but we enjoy visiting and going back to base.

Because I lived in the UK for 20 yrs. Many of my contemporaries who remain have simply accepted their fate, not because they don’t wish they could have come back and these are people who are citizens. Don’t forget, many also have kids in school.

Savenigeria2023:
Enough of these noise and comparisons.

If the conditions are better in Nigeria, the folks abroad will return. You don’t need to sweet talk them into returning.

Less than 2% of folks who left have returned, the remaining 98% who stayed back have their reasons. The government of the day should quit these japa propaganda and focus on making Nigeria work for Nigerians

Many of them can’t return for a number of reasons
1) they will return to a lower status then their peers who stayed behind and worked their way up
2) they have little or no savings
3) by the time they have become comfortable abroad they have become used to the system and trapped by the system abroad and too old to start all over in Nigeria
4) pride
5) 98% wish they could come back, the main reason they don’t come back is because by the time they are settled over there they are so invested in the system, they can’t just pull themselves out. They have credit card debts, car loans, mortgage debt etc. plus many also have kids in school. That alone is why most remain.

nobody cares about Obama's opinion...a pyschopath from America. we dont need your endorsement or validation of what we already know. explain your role in Boko haram, thats what we want.

spencekat:
I observed it too. May be it is not her real name.

I suspect it’s staff at BON hotel. I see a lot of it from the younger generation especially immigrants who are falling over themselves to be like the west or come from areas in Nigeria without culture.

Very annoying!

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Who is the poorly raised staff at BON hotel called Peter addressing an 86yr old yoruba woman by her first name?

Daddyyin:
Not delicate. There's no way he can escape the consequence of his action. He is trying everything to delay the judgement but the government is ready for him.

This is how I see the case. He is obviously guilty, the evidence presented by the prosecution is such that there is no other outcome and his lawyers have told him as much.

Therefore, IMHO he is embarking on some underhand strategy which again IMHO I believe is in collusion with his lawyers but for which they cannot be seen or be associated with.

What that strategy is I don’t know. But anyone who thinks he fired his lawyers is delusional. My opinion is they have a hand and blessing in what is going on but as senior members of the bar their fingerprints cannot be found at the crime scene. Whatever the plan is, it is clearly unethical which is why the senior lawyers cannot be seen to be behind it.

It remains to be seen what the plan is. But I do not buy for a second this idea that he sacked his lawyers. They just don’t want to be seen to be a part of what is about to unfold.

That he said he has a right to recall his lawyers says to me something unethical in the legal profession is about to unfold and SANs don’t want to be associated with it even if they are the ones advising him to make that move. If it fails he will recall them.

I have no regard for ejiofor and that other quack that look like they crawl out of a beer parlour every morning to attend court. However Kanu Agabi and Ikpeazu are respected SANS and Kanu despite his uncouthness and belligerent nature is intelligent man. I don’t believe like many this was a foolish or unplanned move, they are up to something.

Possibly they are looking to establish grounds for appeal or a mistrial, I am
not a lawyer.

He owe or he no owe?

Nigerians will focus on the 70m this guy made but how much did Tik Tok make? I am sure they made N350m all of which leaves the country.

We moved from slavery to colonialism to imperialism. Be the one that creates the platform that makes the N350m not the one celebrating being the paid entertainer that makes 70m. Blacks have always celebrated being paid entertainers.

Gotocourt:
Exclusion of Nigeria from the list of Africa’s fastest-growing economies by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to indiscipline and ineffective leadership.

This need to be addressed

Peter Obi and his supporters are unschooled and dangerous.

This tweet below highlights the flaws in Peter Obi’s thinking. The summary for those who don’t like to read is a large percentage of a small number is less than a small percentage of a large number. Nigeria’s 4% growth in a year is almost the entire GDP of The Rwanda he is saying is doing better than Nigeria. Every 18 months Nigeria adds an entire Rwandan economy to its GDP.

https://x.com/chibuzo_mikel/status/1981401263071015274?s=46&t=zIh8l0Y5x1WkbEiRY9Q56Q



“Dear @PeterObi,

You are back again with your very ignorant and highly misleading posturing to entertain your base.

I can see that Nigeria's absence in IMF's top 5 fastest growing economies in Africa is your new meal. I am here however to help you understand the dynamics around growth rate rankings.

First, it's not easy to find economies with large GDP base being among the top fastest growing economies in the world year in year out. The US, UK, Japan, Germany, and even China now are prime examples. It doesn’t make them lesser economic giants or prosperous.

Now let's look at Nigeria. Nigeria's GDP is $285 billion. Nigeria's conservative GDP growth rate for 2025 is around 4% (judging by Q1 and Q2 rates so far), that's a $11.4 billion expansion. Mind you, this is an economy just coming out from a major economic upheaval that turned our monetary landscape upside down.

I have compiled the numbers behind the so-called growth rates that you are gleefully celebrating and making it seem as if these countries did something extraordinary that Nigeria didn't do. Take a look at their GDP sizes and what the actual expansion in GDP that you are mocking Nigeria for:

1. South Sudan - ($4.65 billion; 24.3% means economy expanded by $1.13 billion, an outlier fueled by resumption of oil production in the country thanks to return to some level of political stability)

2. Guinea - ($25.3 billion; 7.2% means economy expanded by $1.82 billion)

3. Ethiopia - ($142 billion; 7.2% means economy expanded by $10.2 billion)

4. Rwanda - ($14.25 billion; 7.1% means economy expanded by $1.01 billion)

5. Benin - $21.49 billion; 7% means economy expanded by $1.5 billion).

6. Niger - ($19.87 billion; 6.6% means economy expanded by $1.31 billion)

7. Uganda - ($56.23 billion; 6.4% means economy expanded by $3.6 billion)

8. Cote d'Ivoire - ($87.1 billion; 6.4% means economy expanded by $5.7 billion)

9. The Gambia - ($2.35 billion; 6.0% means economy expanded by $141 million).

10. Senegal - ($32.8 billion; 6% means economy expanded by $1.97 billion)

Note that none of the top 5 biggest economies in Africa (South Africa, Egypt, Algeria, Nigeria and Morroco) are among the top 10 fastest growing economies. Does it mean even your favourite Egypt is not doing anything good in their economy?

Also, among all the countries in Africa, in terms of actual GDP expansion in dollar terms, none of them except Egypt did better than Nigeria. Let me give you this data to go and verify:

Nigeria's GDP is projected to expand in 2025 by 4%, which is $11.4 billion

South Africa's GDP will expand by just 1.1%, which is $4.41 billion

Algeria's GDP growth rate is 2.7% or $7.27 billion expansion.

Morocco's GDP growth rate is 3.8%, which translates to $6.1 billion expansion.

Egypt's GDP is expected to add around $14.9 billion and is the only country in Africa that records better dollar expansion than Nigeria.

Oga Peter, tone down on the negativity. It can't make you President.

President Bola Tinubu has done a very remarkable job to steady our economic ship and navigate it to calm waters. The fact that you can't point to any substantial talking point to tackle the President or profer any clear alternative to policies being undertaken by the President shows you're simply clinging on a straw.

Although I acknowledge the fact that you need to feed your mob with regular contents but in doing so, please calm down and do basic economic analysis. You're trying to be a President of huge economy and not an Afor market in Nkitaku where your audience are mostly market women.“

stonemasonn:
It's not just about being tech savvy, data governance and compliance knowledge/skills is the key here.

its all part of it. its like being an Architect and not knowing the legal framework, planning laws etc

we put a "tech savvy" youth in charge, i am not sure he understands his job.

SmileDance:
A pastor can remarry after the death of a spouse but the wife of a pastor can't remarry after the death of her husband?

perhaps you can show where i said so? I am not responsible for your failure to understand what i said. you can try re reading as many times until it hits you what i said.

DaddyJapan:
I appreciate the callout.

The problem with evaluating the lives of people like Garca Machel with rose-tinted lenses, and without an appropriate context as you have done here, is that one ends providing a distorted view.

Do you really know what it takes to wage serious struggle - far away from the comfort of your keyboard - especially when success is not necessarily a predetermined outcome? Wait, or is it her refusal to be reduced to a shrinking violet, living out the rest of her life as dedicated widow, that offends your religious sensibilities so much?

I am horrified by a lot of the flippant and, dare I say, puerile comments I am reading here. With haughtiness , you speak of what the people of Mozambique make of her union with Mandela. Do you even understand the history of the frontline states? Who appointed you the adjudicator of public opinion in that country?

Class my foot. Give me a Martin Luther King (Jr), who prioritised the Civil Rights struggles while occasionally indulging in sexscapades on the side - as I understand the failings of humans. Give me an Nkrumah, whose own marriage to an Egyptian woman was facilitated by Nasser (the Egyptian leader at the time), and retain your faux respectability about class, as the struggle for Africa's liberation is advanced by imperfect people who make no pretenses about the human condition.

As you continue shooting darts from your elevated heights of hypocrisy, just remember that millions of Mozambicans celebrate Garca Machel for what she is - more than sum of the caustic and poorly-formed analysis presented by many here on Nairaland.


Source: https://clubofmozambique.com/news/graca-machel-turns-80-chapo-praises-illustrious-daughter-of-mozambique-and-citizen-of-the-world-294227/

I had an aunt who died and my cousin asked me to write a tribute. He didnt know I had major issues with his Mom. For his sake and for the sake of the family, I wrote a glowing tribute, it cost me nothing.. That i write a glowing tribute does not negate my feelings and for the sake of my cousins, lets sleeping dogs lie. Its called being civil and in relations between countries, its called diplomacy. Simpletons wont understand that in statecraft and even in official communications you choose your words carefully and in a civil manner. Again its like my friend marrying a woman i dont like and I wish her happy birthday, i am not doing it because i like her or think its a good marraige but out of respect for my friend. your comment is a stark display of ignorance. Do you not see bitter political enemies embracing each other in public events? are you a kid? so they shouldnt congratulate their former first lady on her birthday? Does the presidency not send Atiku birthday wishes every year? I wont be surprised if he doesnt even know about it. This is simply official protocol as a VP or first lady. if it were me, I will send it every xmas, easter birthday etc to remind her diplomatically, this is where you came from and you messed up! Do you really think a president of a country has time to think of someone's birthday? These things are done on his behalf by presidency staff and have to be done ........how shallow are you?

The other thing i will say is this, if you have spent a minute trying to explain the difference between butter and margarine to someone 9assuming you even know) and they still argue...just let them be, they are not meant to understand, they should continue eating their refined palm Oil.

Class is something you have or you dont. its like trying to explain to someone what is beauty. if you have no class you are unlikely to understand your responsibilities as a leader or former leader.

have a good day!

Angelfrost:
Nice write up... I honestly appreciate the time you took to put this forward, and I took my time to read every word.

Still, while I never even disagreed with your earlier position, I yet respectfully stand on my submission.

At the end of the day, class is relative and subject to bias... On this, I don't even stand to be corrected.


See ehn... That our former first ladies that are widowed chose to stay unmarried doesn't make them more classy than their counterparts that remarried in other parts of the world.

Cultures and customs are dynamic and are continually unique across the globe.

In Nigeria, the widowed Kumuyi of Deeper Life remarried after his wife's burial... Same with late. Odukoya.

If the roles were reversed, would their better halfs have done the same?!! The answer is no! Why not?!! Because it is a cultural thing that most Widows in Nigeria hardly remarry or easily remarry.

That doesn't mean their counterparts doing the same in other nations is wrong or out of place, or as we put it, less classy.


Again, I respect your position on this discourse and matter, but I find it still rank with cultural bias.


At the end, we can agree to disagree.

Thank you.

as a result of poverty, we have elevated the wrong people as our role models in all facets of life, we think their actions are good actions or acceptable actions and I dont blame many because they know no bettter and the people with class in Nigeria just keep quiet and watch the madness take over. The problem with your example is that who says these people have any class simply because they are church, political or other forms of leaders? this is why I say be careful the kind of people we allow to be our role models because we can only be as good as their guidance, examples and their flaws. if a pastor wants to justify nonsense because he hasnt got the discipline or class to follow the scripture, so also will his followers because now he cannot chastice them for he did same. Let us not forget that divorce was once a sin in the UK church until a King came along who had no self control and pulled the church of England out of the cathloic church. Did the Bible change?, did the biblical pronouncements on divorce change? One bad leader changed to cover his frailties as a human and now a whole nation is allowed to divorce willy nilly but the words of the bible on divorce never changed. be careful accepting the leadership of flawed leaders. what is wrong is wrong.

Until you stop judging people by position, wealth, fame, fortune and power you wont understand what class is. when you do you will realise that most of the people (certainly in Nigeria) that you put on a pedestal are some of the most classless tacky people that exist. Class is about acceptable behaviour, having boundaries and a sense of appropriateness, that is what seperates the classes. "Anything goes", "I do as i want" is by definition low class, the more class you have the more things you cant do. Its not about what you have the power to do or what the law allows.

All these pastors...they will answer to God because when you are not leading by example, you are leading God's people astray. the judgement is not the judgement for your sins but the judgement for those you led astray with bad leadership.


and please when you give examples give appropriate examples. the wife of a pastor remarrying is not the same as an ordinary Nigerian widow remarrying, an ordinary person doesnt have the same weight of responsiblities over his/her head. For me it is Taboo but we have pastors who divorce, have affairs etc but again what is their pedigree?

with position comes responsibility, but when we elevate the classless to positions of influence in all aspects of life these things are what we get. its because anybody can wake up and call himself a pastor or Bishop and the gullible will follow.

look at this point i am waflling, to sum up class is about setting boundaries, a sense of what is or what isnt appropriate and knowing that you can doesnt mean you should. Class is like a fence that controls your actions and behaviour. Metaphorically, the smaller the fence that contricts your behaviour, the higher your class, the wider the fence the less class you have and if you have no fence or no boundaries then anything goes and you have absolutely no class.

leadership comes not just with responsibilities but a higher sense of responsibility than the masses in and out of office. Even the bible says it in Romans 13:1 that all leaders are from God, so they cannot act like ordinary citizens, they have a special responsibility to act appropriately.

everybody wants to be a leader, many dont understand the responsibilities and sacrifices that come with it.