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NIgerians and “new”! a car that they stopped producing over 6 years ago!

Paperwhite:
There is nothing stopping her resumption pending when the court cases will be resolved. What a lawless country being administered by tyrants.

Then what is the point of the court case? No be she carry senate to court?

No be she carry senate go court, no be she appeal?

She is a lawyer, she knows the law. She took the senate to court.

She can either withdraw her appeal or wait for the court judgement.

BrightFuture48:
So the level of control achieve thru subsidy removal is not enough. They don't any Nigerian to move out with cars again. While paying for high exorbitant transport fare. Does that diminish or improve our quality of our lives? We are retrogression every day in Nigeria.

If they want real control let them establish a good transport system in all major cities which is cheaper, efficient and safe. Then people will natural go for public transport and shun buying pms instead then can achieve that, not this useless tax that will further improvise many Nigerians.

I fear for Nigeria because we are either a nation of very dull people or a nation of extremely dishonest people who know the truth who deliberately continue to spread lies .

Twice I have posted what the law says about the tax on this thread and yet people are still saying it is a new tax and it will start in January.

God help us. No nation survives so much dullness or dishonesty in it’s population!

Heffalump:
The West, even Russia were all jealous of Nigeria. They knew that if Nigeria got the Ajaokuta steel industry working, that will spell a doom for their own local steel production. All of them worked hand-in-hand to keep Nigeria and perhaps other African countries down below their foot for their own selfish reasons.

I blame the kind of leaders we have on the African continent. We're made to believe that we are Apes and monkeys and chose to behave as one. China, India, and a host of other Asian countries discovered themselves and embrace development in the face of global obscurity. What happened in our case? Greed and hatred for one another. It's a sad story.

The first thing they did was lump people who do not belong together in one country and force them to adopt a foreign language, thus making them lose their self esteem. Thats why you see Nigerians disparage their own think speaking english is a badge of honour and fall over themselves to be like the white man. \That inferiority complex that they systematically created is the root of our problem.

There is no country that props itself from developing to developed by speaking another man's language.

India, China, Russia etc all speak their own language.

Show me a country that has become great by speaking another man's language?

its not the language itself, its the pyschological damage, the inferiority complex, the loss of identity, the loss of self respect , the loss of dignity of nations.

MrPOTUS:
Do why is T-pain so eager to implement it?

Keep defending evil, it'll consume you definitely

a man who claims to be educated will have read relevant section of the law I posted above (section 161) where it clearly states that the commencement date has to be gazetted. Therefore until such a time as the commencement date is gazetted there is no 5% tax on fuel.

Is there a gazzete to that effect?
do you even know what a gazette is?

i suggest you enrol in adult education classes.

nothing worse than a man who calls himself educated, reads but does know understand the meaning of what he read.

there has to be an official gazzette that announces the commencement date of the 5% tax. Anyone telling you the 5% tax starts in january or february or whatever date should tell you which gazzete he read officially announcing the commencement of the 5% tax.

that the nex tax law starts in january does not mean the 5% fuel ta starts in January. The new tax law states that the date for commencement will be gazetted in future at a time to be determined.

the tax law itself says the fuel tax will not start until it is announced seperately but some "educated" people say it will start in january. how? which schools did you attend? and they wonder why they cant get jobs! this is the kind of understanding of English you want to japa with? its cleaning jobs that await you o!

The law also says the minister "may" not "shall". this means it is not mandatory that a minister introduces the 5% tax. it just gives the backing of law should in case they decide to. if they decide to, they MUSt make an announcement in the official gazette indicating the commencement date. anyone with proper primary school English education knows this means the commencement date has not been set. Mind you the 5% tax has been law since 2007....it was never implemented.

you can read the law yourself using the link here: section 161

https://tat.gov.ng/Nigeria-Tax-Act-2025.pdf

i know most of you get headaches when you read so i have posted a picture below.

FACT! nothing good can ever come from Africans fraternizing with the west.

they came with slave trade, they claim they abolished it but in reality they invented nachines and had no need for human labour. So instead they replaced slavery with colonialism, a means to exploit natural resources of Africa this time not labour.

Then they came after the world wars when their economies were devastated and they needed natural resources to rebuild, and said we the good guys have seen the light and we shall grant you independence. Except that apart from creating artificial countries with inahbitants destined to constantly clash, they impose and assasinate non compliant leaders but more importantly, they set the rules of trade such that it was almost impossible to break the shackles. They replaced colonialism with neocolonialism/imperialism. A system whereby no matter how hard you try you keep going backwards.

we live in that western imperialism neo colonialism today.

whether Putin said it or not it is a FACT!

there is no 5% tax. they are just playing to the gallery.

the 5% tax has been law since 2007 under the FERMA ACt bbut it wasnt implemented

the new tax law simply harmonized all exiting taxes into 1.

However in doing so it clearly states the the 5% tax will only come into effect at a time gazetted by the minister of finance. Since the minister of finace has not gazetted a commemcement date, there is no tax. they know this but they are only playing to the gallery so that when the new tax bill comes into force in January they can claim credit for resisting a %% tax bill that the government never said it was going to implement in january or any other date.

below is the relevant section of the new tax bill as related to 5% surcharge.


"Nigeria Tax Act, 20252025 No. 7A 476(2) Surcharge shall be computed based on the retail price of all chargeable
fossil fuel products.
161. (1) The Minister may by an order issued in the Official Gazette
indicate the effective date of commencement of the administration of the
surcharge on fossil fuel products under this Chapter"

below is the 5% tax in the FERMA act 2007

Substitute for section 14 of the Principal Act a new section “14” –
14 (1) The Fund of the Agency shall consist of –
(a) The take-off grant from the Federal Government;
(b) Annual subvention from the Federal Government as provided in the Appropriation
Act;
(c) Loans and grants-in-aid from Federal, bilateral and multilateral agencies;
(d) Rents, fees and other internally generated revenues from services provided by the
Agency;
(e) All monies collected from toll gates;
(f) Such monies accruing from road concessions;
(g) All other sum accruing to the Agency from time to time;
(h) 5% user charge pump price of petrol, diesel and of which 40% will accrue to FERMA
and 60% to be utilized by the established State Roads Maintenance Agencies; and
(i) International vehicles transit charge as may be determined by the Hon. Minister of
Transportation.

Gerhards:
Tinubu is from Iragbiji and Gbadebo is true son of Lagos, your days in Lagos are numbered, you will be deported back to Osun state soon as usual

GRV is not yoruba. He ancestors were returnee freed Ibo slaves who settled in Lagos. Lagosians did not sell slaves. most yoruba slaves were captured from various wars in the hinterland. Hence most yoruba slave families trace their origins to yo, ilesha, abeokuta etc etc. All slaves came from the hinterland and ALL returnees who are Yorubas will tell you where they come from. For instance the Da Rocha family are from ilesha.

“ His GREAT-GRANDFATHER who was Garnet Rhodes-Vivour was born a FULL IBO MAN in the town of Opobo in today's Rivers State.

Garnet was a contemporary of Herbert Macaulay and their links dated back to Ajayi Crowther and Vivour, the grandfathers of Herbert Macaulay and Garnet Rhodes-Vivour respectively.

Crowther and Vivour were both rescued slaves who met each and many others like them in Sierra Leone and under the manipulative "care" of the British.

Garnet TRAVELLED from Opobo into Lagos, probably encouraged by Ajayi Crowther and he later married a SARO lady from the Rhodes family and that is where he got his name to become Garnet Rhodes-Vivour. Even the ancestry of that SARO lady can't be exactly determined but Garnet was SURELY IBO.

How then can his descendants ever be YORUBA?

When Garnet got his son from the SARO lady he named him Akinwunmi and he took up full Yoruba identity from there. ”

KOWA-PDP-LP-ADC

Gallivanting and defecting up and down. Yet never win a single election!

Antoeni:
1. Sir Louis Ojukwu was a great man. He accomplished and made so much wealth before he died. All without Oil.

He was so Rich he did not need official papers to visit the Britain.

Sir Ojukwu's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith LWB

was used to chauffeur Queen Elizabeth during her 1956 visit.

2. According to Forbes Africa, Sir Louis Odumegwu Ojukwu, who founded the Nigerian Stock Exchange (NSE), was the first Billionaire in Nigeria.

He practically owned Victoria Garden, Lagos.

3. Sir Ojukwu went to lagos with nothing in 1929 aged just 20 but 10 years later, he was already managing his own chain of businesses which included, Ojukwu Stores, Ojukwu textiles and Ojukwu transportation company.

4. By 1950, just Ojukwu Transportation company had over 200 trucks in its fleet. How did he do it?

Born Louis Philip Odumegwu Ojukwu in Nnewi in 1909, the only boy and second of four children,Sir Ojukwu went to Government primary School Asaba.

5. In 1922, he proceeded to the only secondary School in the Eastern region at the time, Hope Waddell training institute, Calabar. After completing his secondary School education in 1928.

Sir Louis secured a job as a tyre sales clark with John Holt lagos in 1929.

6. It was working as a tyre clark the Sir Louis Ojukwu noticed that many Igbo traders who came to lagos to buy tyres also bought textiles as well.

With his meagre saving, Sir Louis travelled down to Onitsha where he opened his first business venture called "Ojukwu stores"

7. and employed one of his relatives to oversee it.

He then returned to lagos and started sending down textiles on Lorries to his shop while still working for John Holt. Sir Louise's textile boomed.

By 1930, Louis bought a second hand truck

8. and employed a driver in other move his goods himself and 'Ojukwu transport company' was born. Sir Ojukwu worked tirelessly and by end of the 1930's, was the major transporter on the East-West Road.

In 1939, on the outbreak of world war 2, the British Government requested

9. use of Sir Ojukwus fleet of trucks for the War effort to which he agreed.

When the war ended in 1945, the British Goverment recognised the sacrifice he made and he was awarded a KBE (Knight of the British Empire).

10. The end of the war also created a high demand for raw materials from West Africa and Sir Ojukwus Transport business exploded sky high and he diversified into other businesses.

Some of Sir Ojukwu's early drivers such as Chief Ilodibe (Ekene Dili Chukwu)

11. and Chief Izuchukwu (Izuchukwu Transport) would later become Transport moguls themselves (Igbo wealth Creation).

Sir Louis was also a financial pillar of Ziks NCNC party and when the party came to power in 1960, Sir Louis was offered the position of Finance Minister

12. which he turned down, the position ultimately went to Okotie-Eboh. Sir Louis died in Nkalagu, present day Ebonyi state, in 1966.

Some.of his key achievements includes ;

- The first President of the Nigerian Stock Exchange.

- President, African Continental Bank

13. - Chairman, Nigerian cement company (NIGERCEM)

- CEO, Ojukwu Transport company...over 5000 fleet of trucks.

- Chairman, Nigerian National Shipping Line...over 100 ships and vessels

- Chairman, Lion Of Africa Insurance Company

14. - Chairman, BISCO Nigeria Limited cool Chairman, Nigerian Industrial Development Bank. founded to specifically give loans to industries

- Vice President, lagos Chamber Of Commerce

- Chairman, Palmline Shipping company

- Chairman, Nigerian Produce Marketing board

15. - Director, Shell D'Arcy Petroleum

- Director, Thomas Wyatt & Son

- Director, Nigerian Coal corporation

- Director, Guiness Nigeria Limited

- Director, Nigerian Tobacco Company

- Director, Daily Times of Nigeria

16. Sir Louis Ojukwu also owned numerous building, landed properties and stocks.

It is estimated that as at the time he died in 1966, he was worth about 40 Billion Dollars in today's money.

How many Billionaires in Nigeria today do we know their background?

17. It is not a coincidence that his town, Nnewi, has the highest number of Billionaires in Nigeria today. You can clearly see the effect of wealth distribution. He inspired many of those Billionaires from Nnewi and beyond. Until a man that believes & understands wealth distribution

A few things.
[b][/b]1: Ojukwu snr was a rich man but his wealth was vastly overstated. When I was growing up we all knew about Dantata. Dantata was based on Kano yet we all knew about him. We all knew Ojukwu’s house in Ikoyi with the beware of snakes sign. If Ojukwu was that wealthy as someone who lived in Lagos and passed his house every day we would know. . We knew the wealthy men in Ikoyi, bayo kuku, fajemirokun, S.B. Bakare etc, ojukwu had a lot of businesses in Lagos. He was chairman of stock exchange, he was a director in many companies in Lagos, don’t you hunk those of us in Lagos would know if he was the richest man in Nigeria? Yet Dantata who lived in far away Kano was who we knew as the richest man in Nigeria.
2: if he truly had wealth at the time the equivalent of $40b today, what happened to it? That kind of wealth doesn’t just disappear in one generation. Talk less legitimate ibo wealth. Dantata’s wealth still exists today.
3: most likely in the SE the legend of his wealth took on a bigger proportion that the reality. But in Lagos, nobody talked about Ojukwu in that manner. In fact he was famous for his house with the snakes sign than for his wealth. Not saying he wasn’t wealthy.

4: the car matter has long been settled. There were different cars used for the queens visit. One of them was indeed Ojukwu’s car. In fact it is possible that it was the use of Ojukwu’s car in the east that gave rise to stories in the east that he was the richest man in Nigeria…he wasn’t. Those stories must have been contained in the eat because they never travelled to the west where he operated.

5: finally directorship of public companies means nothing. You can be appointed a director without having any shares or having minimal shares. It’s just for corporate governance. Go to MTN, Dangote, Zenith, access or any PLC and look for a section called director’s shareholdings. You will find many chairmen, CEOs or directors that have no shares or minimal shares. In the company. Meanwhile you will find reoccurring names on the board of numerous companies and they don’t own any shares, own just a little. So being a director of a public company means nothing. Don’t forget he was the president of the stock exchange, many companies would invite him to be on their board without him having shares in those companies. Companies appoint non executive directors who may or may not have shares in the company to boost investor confidence in the company. As at the time ojukwu was president of the stock exchange, all the companies you listed were entirely foreign owned. The indiginization decree that forced them to sell 60% to Nigerians did not occur until 1974 by which time sir Louis was already 8 years buried.

6: the value of all the companies on the NSe in the 1980s was not up to $50m. I mean all of them combined. And I am talking about 1980 talk less 1950s. Go and verify! So forget the stock exchange angle.

7: the way you become the richest man in Nigeria is to have a monopoly or near monopoly of a product that almost all Nigerians use. Or a Nigerian export commodity for which you are the no1. Sugar, salt, cement, oil, etc etc. if you examine Ojukwu’s businesses that was not the case. So he could never have been at any time the richest man in Nigeria.

I am very skeptical about this deal. I hope this is not another p&id deal. How does a $60b rail project deliver returns in an economy of $270b?

Try another one, I am not buying it.

Shawarmagirl:
Obi will continue pressing their neck with the support of Nigerians. A journey of no return.
Pablo, keep your axx one place

Peter Obi is only exposing his emptiness and shallowness. It’s not your votes he needs. The people whose votes he needs are those who didn’t vote for him the last time.

Those people are not swayed by commenting everyday, criticizing everyday for comment and criticizing sake without offering any alternative.

Again it may appeal to you and you can clap and hail but you are not the ones who will make him president. If anything we see his former supporters turn their backs to him everyday. We don’t see new supporters.

Clearly his tactic is not working and is turning even his former supporters off!

But feel free to believe it is working!

Cue those who will respond to this post with insults. Most of you are blocked!

Elusive001:
His failings as your president or governor?

Tell him the one week has expired that Deji is waiting for his court summons.

Obi always comes up with something to divert people from his failings. Last time he used Peter Rufai to shift attention away from his son. Now he is trying to divert attention away from his one week ultimatum to Deji.

Deji has told him the one week has expired o and he is waiting for court papers.

He should not worry after 2027 he will have his entire life to rest.

How can contractor present a bond from jaiz bank and you pay the contract into zenith bank?

The man who knew his guarantor was one bank but collected the money via another bank will explain. The govt who was given guarantee by one bank and knowingly paid the funds into another bank will explain.

Both parties knew what they were doing. Cunny man die, cunny man bury am!

This one has not even won a councilor election he has already been in 3 parties.

IbeOkehie:
This is what you wrote -



There's no point engaging anyone who makes such insinuations.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Forget about me block me so I don’t respond to you anymore answer the question for the people who you are deceiving with promises of a middle class life in America.

You owe them the stats not stories of outliers. What is the fate of 1 in 2 Nigerians without citizenship who emigrate to the US. For their sake answer…simple question.

I won’t respond to you anymore, and you can answer the question without quoting me the only reason I respond to you is because I see a notification on my mentions. but you can’t back out now. I have not been posting because I care about you, I post for Nigerians who are reading this and do not understand what they are getting into. You owe them an answer.

He can never answer because the truth is different from what he is portraying and he knows.

IbeOkehie:
1) Oga please don't engage in ad-hominem or whatever it's called. I'm an honest person, I've NEVER defrauded anyone in my life. That's why I'm not anonymous on this forum, I have nothing to fear from any person or government. Let's keep it civil abeg.

2) Thousands of Nigerians become citizens of the United State every year. I'm a dual citizen of the United States and Nigeria and there's tens or even hundreds of thousands of other Nigerians just like me.

3) The truth as I've experienced it is that my human rights, my political and socio-economic rights are more secure in the USA than in Nigeria. You know it and everyone knows it.

4) It's easier for an average person to attain World Middle Class status in the Anglo-West than in Nigeria. That's why migration is a hot topic on Nairaland. Not only that, at every socio-economic level or in any job role, the person doing it in the West earns far more than their equivalent in Nigeria.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

. Don’t start using yourself as an example when there are many Nigerians who don’t have the same experience as you and then come here saying don’t engage in ad hominem. I challenge you to reply honestly by answering this simple question

In your experience, how many Nigerians who enter the USA who are not citizens ever get middle class professional jobs commensurate with their education. I am not talking about cab drivers, truck drivers, bottom cleaners, security guards and other blue collar working class jobs. Out of every 100 how many? I am not talking about income middle class to me is not about your income, there are uneducated people in Nigeria who take in millions a month. I am talking about the actual occupation. How many are able to secure respectable careers. Teachers, office jobs, accountants, IT, engineering etc etc. because most of the people seeking to japa are educated people. The subject of this thread is a woman with a ph.D. These are the people who believe they can have a better life abroad if they sell everything they have and start a new life abroad. These are the people who sell their houses in the belief of a life people like you paint. None of them think they will end up permanently as truck drivers etc when they set sail.

We don’t want stories of outliers the 1% or the 10%, what is the expected fate of the 50%? Give Nigerians the true figures of the average non status educated immigrant in the USA


It is intellectually deceitful to compare incomes in Nigeria to that abroad. How much of that income is left over, how much of lifestyle is debt. I also take exception to this “middle class” classification based on income. Most non status Nigerians abroad are working class. A driver is a driver is a driver anywhere in the world, that he earns more than a Nigerian driver does not make him middle class. Whether he is a truck driver, a cab driver, an Uber driver a delivery driver or an executive limo driver or a chauffeur, he is working class. And at the end of the month they are both broke. A driver is not middle class, neither is a security guard, or anyone engaged in blue collar work. In any society you are the bottom of the ladder.

RolexOfGeneva:
Don't ever say such thing again. if you aren't intelligent, how will you graduate from the University without bribing your way out especially in highly mentally demanding STEM courses like Quantum mechanics, Programming, Engineering and Mathematics?

Jesus wept! That you fail to understand what I just said just proves that not all graduates are intelligent.

Learning a subject is not proof of intelligence. To get a degree you need to get 40%. 40% is below average 50% is average! 40% means you failed 3 out of 5 questions or think about it this way will you say a person who failed 60% of the questions is intelligent?

You can get a pass degree in some countries with 36%. Ponder on that for a second. Someone wh0 failed in 64% of this questions has a degree. Similarly there are people whose phD dissertations are cited and game changing and there are those whose PHD work is never cited. There are lecturers who never become professors and there are lecturers who become professors in 5 years. They both have phDs Are they equal?

Let is consider a graduate with a 2:2. It means he scored 50%. He passed only half the questions. Which means there is a 50% chance he doesn’t know what he is talking about. Or he remmembered the basics but couldn’t answer the questions that required application of the knowledge. Are you willing to put the structural design of your skyscraper in his hands in the belief that he is intelligent because he has a degree?

You know the procedure for multiplication for example and practice it does not make you intelligent.

Plus I did not say graduates are not intelligent, I said not all graduates or phD holders are intelligent. They are learned. They are not necessarily intelligent.

In fact in western countries where this education and language we copy comes from, , they won’t call you intelligent because you have a degree, they would refer you you as learned or lettered.

It is only in Nigeria that we automatically refer to someone with a degree or phd as intelligent

As you can see below, intelligence is the application of knowledge. Knowledge does not make you intelligent. A degree just means you have knowledge.

A degree is evidence of the acquisition of knowledge ina subject area but without intelligence requires the ability to apply that knowledge and to think abstractly, critically and logically. Nigeria has a lot of degree holders who can’t apply their knowledge.

Intelligence is something you have whether you went to school or not. You don’t become intelligent because you went to school or got degrees.

Finally there are different types of intelligence. Academic intelligence, emotional intelligence, social intelligence, cultural intelligence, political intelligence. Even if you have academic intelligence it does not mean you have the others. For examples nerds are usually very good programmers but may be social misfits because they lack social intelligence.

In Nigeria in particular academics and technocrats no matter the intelligence they may have displayed in their areas of competence, often lack political intelligence. Because the intelligence required for Nigerian politics is at odds with the mindset of academia and professionalism of technocrats. It’s why I have always said Osinbajo for example would have been a disaster.

Tambuwal cannot deliver his Sokoto to Atiku.

When I say deliver, to defeat Tinubu Atiku needs to crush Tinubu in the north. Not that you share the votes 49% to 48% like the last time in Sokoto. Sokoto is an APC state and like I have been saying all the Northern governors especially those whose terms end in 2031 know it is in their interests to eliminate Atiku from the picture so they have a level playing field for their 2031 ambitions. Atiku assuming he wins in 2027 cannot hand over power to any of them in 2031 having robbed the south of its 2 terms.

So much misinformation. So little communication from the government to counter constant falsehood and misinformation.

All the so called new media advisers to the government should be sacked!

IbeOkehie:
It's not about I know one....I'm my own best example. Anyone can hide behind anonymity and write anything.



They were returnees, their success STARTED from the USA where they accumulated social and economic capital and connections. I'm happy for them. There's also plenty that didn't make it. Go read up on Ndidi Nwuneli who graduated from Wharton and returned to Nigeria to do agribusiness. How far? What is her business in Nigeria NOW? Anyone can do a check.

Success is possible ANYWHERE, there's even business studies showcasing thriving businesses in Somalia. Again, it's about PROBABILITIES.

What you've cited actually PROVES the summary point I made at the start of my post, to wit -

Nigeria is NOT a good place for most people to achieve a world standard middle class life. To get to that level in Nigeria a person must be EXTRAORDINARY in some way...talent, personality, beauty, high social or financial capital, connections, drive or intellect. That's the truth, most average people like me have a better chance in the UK/USA.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Like I said you are one example. For every one who achieves a middle
Class life there are 50- 100 languishing in mediocrity. Stop deceiving NIgerians. Most Nigerians who are not citizens never achieve a middle class lifestyle. The majority are forever working class, living without valid immigration status from paycheck to paycheck, living in fear of being deported.

Stop deceiving Nigerians giving them false hope and dreams. It’s wickedness and it’s evil. I didn’t watch your video but I certainly hope you are not one of those Nigerians who exploit fellow NIgerians with false hope charging huge fees selling them fake dreams abroad. There was recently a protest in the Uk about people like that.

Nigerians if you are not a citizen your odds of making it are slim. Working class living from paycheck to paycheck, in fear of immigration is not a life, stuck can’t move forward, can’t come back home. Exceptions do not invalidate the rule. For every “i know one person” there are 40-100 whose japa dreams are shattered and are languishing anonymously .

Your biggest hurdle is you are not a citizen. Certain doors and opportunities are closed to you. 100%. of the people who are looking to japa are not citizens and the majority of them are are not doctors or such in demand skillse that can emigrate legally.

It is irresponsible for those who have experience of life abroad to sell false dreams based on exceptions to the rule. Did you also tell them in your videos that there are many Nigerians in America who are still illegal after decades are “prisoners” there can’t travel out and currently live in fear of Trump despite their “success”? For what?

A man will make it wherever he finds himself. Those who won’t make it in Nigeria won’t make it abroad especially if you are not a citizen. Those who are hiding from difficulties in Nigeria will face a different set of problems abroad. You just trade one set of problems for another. Those who don’t have capital don’t have the money to travel anyway. For a someone who has 20m to japa, his problem is not Nigeria. I repeat if you have 20m and you don’t have the resourcefulness to find a means of making money in Nigeria, your problem is not Nigeria and you almost certainly will not make it abroad where you are not a citizen. You will just fall into the trap of charlatans who charge you fees and promise you fake dreams abroad giving you examples of “I know one person”, forgetting to tell you the sad stories of the other 90.

The one thing you said that I just saw and Will concedes is that the issue of japa is different depending on your tribe and culture. In 20yrs abroad I never came across an Hausa/Fulani Nigerian doing menial jobs in England or the US or Europe. A Yoruba man will do it as a stepping stone to his goals but if he gets stuck there as many do, he will end up a miserable man. Money is 6th in the list of virtues and values in Yoruba society. Your occupation, honour self respect, matter more than money. When a Yoruba man japas because things are financially difficult in Nigeria, the minute he solves the financial problem, which is basically once he can feed and fend for himself then the question of his place is society, his dignity, honour, his occupation, become his driving force. If he can’t achieve that abroad, and as a man without papers he is unlikely ever to, he will be a miserable man. Let’s be truthful, Ibos are different so we won’t see japa with the same eyes. For a Yoruba man what you do for a living matters as it is your standing in society. That is why for Yorubas, our men have “professions” and the wives are the business women or traders. A Yoruba man did not go to university to spend his entire life driving taxis, cleaning bottoms, being a security guard mowing lawns and other low level existence. Nobody cares if you are financially “comfortable”. You are defined by what you do for a living. Many who japa illegally will end up stuck in that existence.

IbeOkehie:
I know a Nigerian university graduate that migrated to the USA....New Jersey specifically....back in 2007 or so, I knew him from Nigeria. He overstayed his visa and stayed here. He eventually started his own business doing lawn service.

Here in NC there's also people doing the business. I have a Black American guy that does 3 properties for me. When I met him over 10 years ago, he already was servicing two other neighboring buildings. He charges me average of $60 per service for 4 visits a month on these properties. One time I saw him working in a town about 20 minutes away. Another time he told me "he can't do it next tomorrow because I don't have any jobs near you, let's make it next week when I'll be in your area". So at least 7 clients I'm aware of.

Also I pay a total of around $2500 per year for major services around change of season...like cleaning gutters, cutting tree limbs and such.

My landscaper owns a big truck and riding lawn mower, it takes him 30 minutes to 1 hour to do my yard.

The point is, that business is available to be done in EVERY COUNTRY, but the ROI and standard of living is HIGHER in some countries than others. It's a really simple point. Does your gardner have a higher standard of living than a Nyash Cleaner in the USA or UK?




This is real down to earth. You forgot to mention currency fluctuation that can DESTROY accumulated savings and profits, but I guess it's the same as inflation. I don't understand why if Nigeria is such a business paradise why it doesn't have much higher HDI than say, South Africa or Botswana or Namibia.

Thanks.



My cousin migrated to UK two years ago and started as a Nyash Cleaner, now he works in a factory at 15% higher pay. He drives a car, lives in his own apartment.

Does the person who starts out as a Nyash Cleaner always remain in that job forever? Is that the norm in the UK?

Here in the USA, socio-economic mobility is generally positive. I started out as a $4/hr fast food cook, today I'm a pharmacist. Most of my cohort, I'd put it at 80%, have moved up the economic ladder. Many of us also own businesses, Nigeria is not the only country in the world where it's possible to start a business.

Besides, I know MANY business owners that have migrated from Nigeria to the UK and other Western countries. I wonder why they did that?

I used to work for this independent pharmacy owned by a Nigerian - the guy has retired. I won't name him but it's easy for anyone to find out. He owned the building in which his pharmacy was located just two blocks from one of the best hospitals in the world. You know what? He used to own a chain of pharmacies in Lagos. He left it all to migrate to the USA. When I was thinking of doing the Jakpada, I explored the option of doing pharmacy business in Nigeria and he advised against it.

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It's good you used the word LIKELY, that's the key. What's the PROBABILITY of reaching the World Standard of Middle Class life in Nigeria vs the UK?



There was a time people did the garbage business in Aba and PH, for sure. The culture of waste disposal as an organized venture didn't last in Aba, PH I don't know. I bet there's some way of disposing household waste in Lagos and Abuja, are there people doing it? People on this forum live in Nigeria, how do you dispose of household waste? Burning has always been a major method of disposal even from my childhood.

When I did Jakpada to Nigeria we generally BURNED it in the backyard or if it got too big took it to a garbage dump...but we had good cars or means to do that drive. Most people don't have that which is why a lot of it ends up in the streets. Maybe Nigeria can't AFFORD good garbage disposal?

I know there's a job called "night soil men" that handles the clearing away of bucket latrines in urban areas of Nigeria. I also remember as a teen our buildings soak-away pit filled up and some company had to be called to suck it out and take it away.

By the way, you have some knowledge of the hotel business, how do they handle waste?

The real question to ask - What is the ROI for the garbage business in Nigeria? Does anyone have an idea? Before moving to Nigeria in 2011, I presented my plans to a secondary school classmate who is an investment banker in London....his father is also an investment banker. He invested in building up property in Lagos, he gave me details and said though they made a profit it wasn't worth it. After looking over my plans for a couple of weeks he advised me that it wouldn't work because the ROI wasn't worth it. He was wrong in the short run but correct in the long run

More generally, for the average or any random Nigerian, educated or not, is the 10 year ROI for investing or doing business with ₦20 million in Nigeria higher than returns that would accrue from migration to the UK?

Good Luck to Nigerians.

In all you wrote there (I couldn’t read it all) all I saw is that the educated Nigerian graduate who refused to use his intellect to see how he can turn a relative mundane occupation in Nigeria like gardening into a corporate business in Nigeria will eventually after washing bottoms and cutting lawns ultimately doing the same thing there even if eventually as a business.

Why go through the hassle when you have the capital to start in Nigeria? 90% of graduates who japa who japa because they can’t get good office jobs in Nigeria will ultimately never get the corporate office jobs they drove them away from Nigeria.

Very few NIgerians abroad will ever be able to live the lifestyle of a Nigerian who makes it in Nigeria. When we make it here, we dont pay car notes or mortgages, when we buy holiday homes there we pay cash! We don’t live in fear of deportation or credit scores!


For me if you don’t have citizenship and you didn’t have a proper respectable professional job lined up or a high probability you have the skills to obtain one, stay in Nigeria with your N20m. It will likely take you as a non citizen up to 10 years to get a foothold and you are living in constant fear of deportation. Your mates in Nigeria will 100% exceed you in 10 years and ultimately thereafter.

Furthermore after hunger stops being your primary focus you will realize you will forever be a nobody no matter how much your bank balance and most Japas will never have an enviable bank balance.

The story of japa is the story of the tortoise and the hare….the tortoise always wins the race!

For every Nigerian without papers who makes it (and please let’s get it straight it is only a minority) and probably starts out as a bottom cleaner and eventually owns his care home, starts as a gardener and eventually owns a landscaping business, starts driving cabs/trucks and eventually owns a cab/truck business. I can bet you they all thought to themselves why didn’t I think of this when I was in Nigeria.

The jobs Nigerians look down on at home is ultimately where the japa Nigeria ends up abroad. There is no office job/ corporate ladder job waiting for you.


NIgerians in diaspora should stop deceiving NIgerians at home with stories of “I know one” . For every 1 you know there are 99 languishing. These are the kinds of stories I was fed as a young man. I was lucky I was a British citizen so things were easier. I could take advantage of the many benefits the system offered me as a citizen to improve myself and access opportunities. I know the fate of Nigerians in the Uk without papers.. Eventually I reached a point of diminishing returns and I came home. I was earning very well in good corporate roles in the Uk but the truth is My mates in Nigeria who were struggling in Nigeria with entry level graduate trainee jobs when I left for london had passed me. There is a ceiling in London, there is no ceiling for a Nigerian in Nigeria.

Stop deceiving Nigerians here at home with “I know one”. You are the ones responsible for deceiving the other 90 who are languishing.

Nigeria is finally taking off! More revenue =,
more infrastructure = more investments = more jobs= more tax revenue=more infrastructure and the cycle of growth continues.

RolexOfGeneva:
You can't get a PhD and be a well known senior lecturer in a top University if you are not intelligent.

A fundamental mistake we make in Nigeria is to equate academic qualifications with intelligence. There are mechanics who are more intelligent than many PHD holders.

You are not intelligent simply because you have a degree or a PhD. As PHD does not make you intelligent. It only means you have acquired the minimum knowledge to qualify for a degree in that particular area. You can get a bachelors degree getting D grades throughout university. The higher your degree ( bachelor, masters, PhD, the higher your depth of knowledge). Knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing.

Let’s give an example. That you know that a seed becomes a plant is knowledge. Unintelligent people know that too. You go a step further and you learn that if you cross breed a hybrid of the plant is created. What you have done is deepened your knowledge. Your intelligence or lack of is still the same. Intelligence is the application of knowledge and the ability to think logically and critically. Being knowledgeable in specific subject is called being learned!



An academic degree at best means you are a subject area specialist. An intelligent person can apply his intelligence to issues beyond his area or expertise. There are countless PhD holders who once they speak outside their subject area you wonder if they attended secondary school

Secondly university of PH was a top university, rivers state university was second tier. Remmember even Wike said it on TV. Those who were around at the time know that you went to a state university only because you did not good enough grades to go to unilag , UI, Ife, ABU etc. and you were a permanent lecturer at these universities only because you didn’t make the grade for employment as a lecturer at the top universities. The top professors from the top universities taught part time as a means of making money. It was the leftovers that became permanent lecturers at state universities.