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There's more evidence that Jesus rose from the dead from?
The Bible I guess

luvmijeje:
Then you can't disproved it. You can't accuse me of speaking from a place of ignorance when you are speaking from a place of ignorance.

You are accusing them of the same thing you're guilty of.

They are different things, I don't know and I'm honest about it, the other party however is like, "I don't know, so, it's God" without any proof. That is what is called Argumentum ad ignorantiam.
See? Only one party is making an argument that they can't prove.

luvmijeje:
My questions. It's not God... . No wahala but then who?

If you are saying there is no demonstrative hypothesis... Okayy.. .. .. Then what demonstrable hypothesis do you have that it's something else?

If you are disproving a thing then the onerous is on you to logically disprove it.

So, any unknown entity or concept is ascribed to God?
That shouldn't be so. We don't know, they've come out to say they don't know, but ID people are pushing a theory with absolutely nothing to back up their claims. If you have a theory, then bring proofs.
Nobody knows for now, that doesn't mean that the mystery won't be solved in a hundred years from now and this mystery would be solved.

UyiIredia:
You lost me here. That is not the ID argument. Clearly you are ignorant about ID. Do your due research then I may respond. Go to ID websites and see what they say.



Strawman of argument leads to invalid rebuttals.



ID theory does not argue for a God. People use the theory to argue for God. That's different.



Nonsense from someone ignorant of what he's writing about.



They do. 1) Bad design does not equal no design. Bad designs are still designed by an intelligence. 2) Many claims of bad design fail upon closer analysis. 3) All designs work within constraints and requires trade-offs that may make it appear badly designed. 4) There so much unknown about organisms so some bad design claims are premature. 5) There are lots of sophisticated designs in life. Biomimetics is a field of science that is dedicated to copying desigms from living things. Velcro and airplanes involve designs copied from lifeforms.



Beware of the genetic fallacy. The origin or motive of a claim does not impinge on its validity. It should only be evaluated on its merits.



This explains your ignorance. Wikipedia does not accurately depict ID.



IMO someone who concludes life came about naturally and aas not designed is abusing their intelligence.

From all you've written there, it's obvious you know nothing about ID. Go and read about them, then we'll talk.
Do you mind if I suggest some materials?

UyiIredia:
Given the harmful effects of random mutations it is idiotic to think they built all the traits of lifeforms.

So random mutations are an evidence of an Intelligent designer?
As a side note, not all random mutations are harmful
Sickle cell carrier gene is a beneficial mutation it protects against malaria.
CCR5 receptor gene mutation is beneficial, it protects against HIV

Luvmijeje, I still dey wait you.
I actually went through some of your threads, you don tay for Nairaland and you had some making sense threads and posts.
Bring it while coming, hopefully

DoctorAlien:
Chai, no wonder. Only akintom's level of reasoning can be this ridiculous.

Whatever makes you snore well at night, brah.

DoctorAlien:
Wait, are you akintom?

Yes, I am
No matter how much you want to wish it away, radiometric dating is not an assumption.
It is reproducible. I know it shatters your views about so many things, you just have to bear it.
Repeating it to yourself countless times won't make it true either.

DoctorAlien:
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Lies can win Nobel prizes too. Go and read the silly assumptions upon which radiometric dating is based.

Give example of one lie that won a Nobel prize.

DoctorAlien:
Both relative dating as well as radiometric dating are based on assumptions. Therefore, their conclusions cannot be trusted.

My point is, those civilizations never existed which were said to be around the time of the flood, or even before Adam.

Radiometric dating based on assumption?
Something that won a Nobel prize is based on assumption?
Why are you Christians like this naa, haba
The lies are just getting too much.

felixomor:
Thats 1 mistake i will never repeat for people like u.

Give u facts on a platter like i did the other day on "the london hammer".....(u remember?)
Never!

Use google, u will find it.

Run along now, child.
Next time if you want to present facts, be prepared to back them up.

felixomor:
U r now even messing up grammar to make matters worse.
Mscheeeewwww

Oga grammarian, we've heard you, now post your link.
The way you lie eh, I'm sure your Christian Brothers are proud of you.

felixomor:
Oh so now u realised ur mistake of not seeing what i wrote.

For knowledge sake, only these 2 kill patients more than doctors;
1. Heart Disease
2. Cancers



Sorry, only people like u run.

See him presenting data for LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH, not DEATH IN PATIENTS, now post the link let me put the final nail in your coffin.
Be arguing like a child.
Rubbish

felixomor:
Argument by repetitions.
What drunkards do



You dont have to tell lies to try to sound intelligent while arguing.
Only kids do that.



If only your visual acuity was not impaired and u were not too desperate,
You would have seen where I wrote "death in patients"..
But as usual, u were blinded by desperation.




Use google, its free.


Still no facts presented.

Argument by repetitions and assertions.
Thats What drunkards do.

As usual presenting facts with nothing to back them up.
Argument from personal opinion.
If doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death of patients, what are the first and second?
Watch him rigmarole without presenting a single proof
Now I know why people run away from debating you.

Foxyn:
CatfishBilly you simply don't know how to convince people.

how can you try to persuade someone to convert to your believe and you start by telling the person to become a doctor before he can ascertain to the things you will profess to him.. lol

how's that sound bro?

is that the evidence you atheists dwell in?

chai! i'm disappointed o

It's not my job to convince you.
I'm not winning any souls into any kingdom.
You want to know? Do the job yourself. No one is here to spoon feed you.

felixomor:
This one is funny.
Why are u full of fallacies?
So you have never seen automatically means it is LIE?


Thats foolish. And u know it.
Its called Argumentum ad Ignoratum
Argument from ignorance

Yea, it means that it's a lie. Instead, what I see is the opposite. God heals somebody then 3 days later the same person returns with that same illness. Maybe healing in the medical school that you attended is a 3 day cure, it's not like that for the rest of us.
It's not out of ignorance, I live it and breathe it. Unlike you with your delusions.

Thats a delusion, @ bolded.

Well, you're the one who's deluded.
How can a doctor say the brain sleeps for goodness sake?
Which medical school taught you that?

Yes it was.
But as usual, you always argue from ignorance.
I am not surprised.



Hehehehe. The shame is on u.
Argument wise, The same way the people who believe in God will also tell u that u dont know the difference between fake and original Christians, thats why u always criticize them.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs310/en/
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/amp/282929

Here are links from 3 different websites listing the leading causes of death. Doctors and Medical errors are missing.
I've told you, stop reading Christian apologist and conspiracy theories websites, they are warping your mind.

Still doesnt match up to the ones killed by doctors.
I speak from statistics.
You can only but argue from ignorance.

This statistics you're always harping about, where is it?

Again, Argumentum ad Ignoratum
You dont have any stats.

Go to any ART clinic and see for yourself.
You're a self professed doctor naa, it shouldn't be hard for you.

Foxyn:
so I must become a doctor to believe in your self deceitful thoughts

continue!

Shey you see?
You want to know something but you don't want to put in the work.
It's simple. That's how you'll know all your faith healers are charlatans, no other way.
Like I said Delusions and Ignorance is bliss, continue there, I don't even want you to change

felixomor:
Keep quiet abeg.
You dont know it can also be said that there are many people doctors gave up on that were healed by God?

In case u dont know, doctors are the third leading causes of death in patients.
Not even religion.

I have told u before,
Stop bringing insults upon this profession.

Like I keep telling you and your brainless cohorts, I've not seen a single case where God healed a patient that doctors have given up on.
It's my job to manage patients unlike you that your own medical practice is only in your mind.

Doctors are the 3rd leading cause? Because it was captured in the list abi?
Doctor like you can't even tell the difference between doctors and medical errors. Shame, really.
Well, one day the world will start collecting data to expose all the people religion has killed with their fake faith healing.
Oh wait, I got one for you. 100% of the confirmed HIV patients through PCR, Western Blot and Serial CD4 count monitoring have been killed by faith healers.

Foxyn:
his original name isn't JESUS

then why is his fake name still active?

PS: I haven't seen anybody healed by that name in the hospital again after the deliverance.

please convince me more

or don't you want me to buy your atheist form?

Become a doctor, work in the hospitals, then you'll see them in their droves.
Why would I want to convince you?
Some people are perfectly fine with their delusions, why would I want to take that away from you?

Foxyn:
CatfishBilly let's forget about demons then

But why do powerful churches like Christ charismatic revival, mountain of fire, scoan etc

uses the name JESUS to heal the sick and set the captives free...

why can't they use their name or your name for example?

what type of power is really in this name called JESUS?

His original name is not even Jesus to start with. That's the anglicized/funkified version.
If you know how many patients I've managed in hospitals after they've supposedly been healed by these so called pastors/Jesus/God, you'll understand my skepticism.

Which demons?
You mean your visual hallucinations?

luvmijeje:
What foolish comprehensive research article. I'm coming back to point numerous flaws in this article with my questions and get ready to answer it.

I'm patiently waiting as always.
No run when the heat gets too much.

zionmade:
Am not talking of psycopath here am talking of anomalies. U are talking as if d person cloned wont be a normal human like u and i walking d streets and living his life.
Have u ever thought of wat these humans would suffer wen these anomalies start showing up. Have u thought of d discrimination.
Now wat good do u think cloning would do to human race

Like I said earlier, no anomalies, the system is so precise that any mistake wouldn't​ be compatible with life.

All the uses of cloning for now in modern medicine can be achieved by other means, so cloning is not really needed for now

zionmade:
A correction would alter the inital synthesis. And this would trigger another reaction
I never said dat an anomaly must show up, but it has a high probability. Am only considering wen that unfavorable situation shows up

No it won't, a base pair is removed and is replaced with same non defective base pair. No anomaly or alteration of protein synthesis or triggering of any of that sort would happen, I'm telling ya.

Certitude:
When you guys are ready, I'll join.
Nothing scientific in the comments, just
people bringing their religious bias and
ideas they got from movies to something as
beautiful as cloning.
When y'all are ready, I'll make my contributions.
My lecturer(medical law) -who is so intelligent- make this kind of arguement. His arguement against stem cell research and cloning stuff hinges on his religious belief (he is a Catholic). I will like to learn from an irreligious mind.

Some irreligious minds like myself and Ife nes, akin.tom have contributed, feel free to read them

zionmade:
Point of correction i dnt watch movies.
Another point of correction human cloning is never a reality and will hardly come to pass. Not because its not possible but because anything dat can alter a human genetics is a potential deadly weapon. Example is killing cancer using a nanobot programmed to distinguish between a cancerous cell and a human cell, though d technology is proven to be Effective yet it is not yet implemented because it can be d most deadly weapon on earth.
A person who can produce a specially engineered human can also programme dat human to enter into a crowd and open fire.
Stop looking at christians as enemies to science or ignorant in scientific developments.

You are now talking like a sci fi enthusiast.
Cloning doesn't generate psychopathic behavior. You are talking about this programming as if it's a computer where you'll write some lines of code to change things.
The cloned human is given birth to and then raised to adulthood. The rules of nature vs nurture comes to play.
If the human was cloned from a psychopath, of course, it will exhibit psychopathic behavior, if not, it won't.

zionmade:
And d cycle would continue. Once a chain reaction is triggered a correction would trigger another anomaly. Bro in near years to come, anomalies rising from all these alterations of nature would start showing up.

A correction won't trigger another anomaly, that's not how it works.
Or do you have anything to back up your position?

akintom:
It appears you didn't understand my post. I spoke of research setting, whereby two patients with similar cva in NATURE (type of cva and area of affectation).

Whatever difference in this nature, will definitely be inconsequential, as to be an extraneous factors, in the research outcomes.

Intervention was also coordinated, according to the research design.

Okay, I get you now.
So, what was the conclusion?
Specific genes were responsible for the different outcomes?

zionmade:
This is my own reason why cloning wont be approved.
Wen a human is cloned, that is in line with genetic engineering. Now a human is a complex system and one feature of a complex system is "anomalies". Which can hardly be prevented in cloning. A cloned human would be welcomed into d human world with his human rights and priviledges, but wen this anomaly happens which is likely to occur in d person's 2nd generation, we will have a human who d best way to end his miserable state is by mercy killing and dis is quite extreme.
So in short am saying dat cloning will create a painful anomaly which can only be stopped by killing d specie

Abnormal genes could theoretically be removed and normal ones added in it's place
It is already being done with 3 person babies and gene therapy, why not with cloning?

akintom:
May be i should use research in gene therapy. Research into why two different patients, with similar nature of cva and other vitals, responded differently to the same line of management, and genetic difference was implicated in the treatment outcome.

I'm of the thinking that, both clients can be cloned and studied for the purpose of understanding a less risky genetic tampering.

No two CVAs are exactly alike. There'll be different percentage of blood vessel occlusion, the surface area of brain tissue involved, the amount of neurons involved, how quick resuscitative measures were started, how soon physiotherapy was started and the patients' will to recover.
Some peculiarities in genes though might affect how some individuals metabolize drugs or how quickly the damaged neurons regenerate.

luvmijeje:
Hehehe! So how's your opinion different from others?You oppose humans cloning just as others did also?

Why were you showing off earlier?

I don't oppose human cloning.
I'm just saying that it is not needed for now.
There might be need for it in the future.

Wilgrea7:
oh... finally ... another one.... thank God

Lmao.
Your sarcasm eh