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Slavery dealt with by you?
Thread that you ran away from when the heat became too much?
Thread that you twisted what I said, called me a liar then attacked the lie that you created?
In the history of strawmans, I gotta give it to you, that was one hell of a strawman.

A known patient of mine has been diabetic for a while.
So, during a church service, a Pastor prophesied that someone in church was diabetic and would get healed.
He fell under the anointing as he was talking.
He claimed he got healed, stopped his medications for a while, he was actually healed or believed so, then one day, he broke down, his blood sugar was markedly elevated.
He is back on his medications now.

A88C:
you shoulld rather do that so that you can see where you undersatanding ends.i am not here to convince you.it is for your good if you willl accept to unlearn your belive and begin to reason out of box

Oga, it's a simple something.
Go to Nairaland religion section, open thread, let's engage you, abi your mind dey cut?

ipodstinks:
while you are absolutely more confused. ave met someone like you before that is a professor, my questions to him, he was dumbfounded. you can try and engage me. I like facing ppl like you, you will be 5th of such ppl.

Oga, go Nairaland religion section, open thread make we engage you.

A88C:
it is a dead thread give your understanding here and let go about it.i understand what is foxholes

How can you not read a thread and declare it dead?

MuttleyLaff:
No doc,
I know you're pulling my leg with this your oversimplified rehash version of what I posted

Cigarrette smoking or coffee drinking has good and bad benefits
and you know at which point you'll advise a patient to stop cigarrette smoking or coffee drinking
so why cant or arent you accepting that if such ignores your expert advice, it is tantamount to ''missing the mark'' &/or ''hitting the wrong mark''
Let's be objective and honest here please

Okay I was yanking your chain.
Sure, everything in moderation. Cigarettes, coffee, alcohol. There are acceptable limits to them and when a person steps over those limits, then there'll be consequences, which can be "missing the mark" as you put it.
What I'm trying to make you understand is that the Nigerian Christian views smoking no matter how casual as a sin.
I know why I stressed Nigerian because in some parts of the world, cigarettes and coffee are seen as the same thing. A stimulant and aren't really considered as sins.
I just want to know the rationale behind it's designation as a sin in Nigeria.
I want your opinion if you don't mind.

MDCN? Medical and Dental Council of Nigeria?

MuttleyLaff:
Objectively speaking,
I dare say, isnt that ''missing the mark'' and/or ''hitting the wrong mark''
if any continues to wilfully ignore your medical advice & prognosis with supporting x-ray picture or other evidences
that not reducing salt or sugar intake or substantially indulging in cigarettes, coffee or anything else for that matter
is dangerous & harmful to such's good health and wellbeing.

So, my take home point from your write up is, drinking coffee is missing the mark therefore should be considered as a sin?

MuttleyLaff:
You're the doc now,
and ought to be or should be enlightening all, on how smoking might be deemed ''missing the mark'' and/or ''hitting the wrong mark''

I know,
but then you wouldnt be asking this question, if you've noticed how I asked OP a couple of whats and whys about the smoking

I saw where you asked your questions.
Let's use cigarettes as an example.
They are not intoxicants, any one who says otherwise should go check what he's been smoking, it's not cigarettes.
People smoke cigarettes for the exact same reason they drink coffee..They are are both highly addictive.
They've both been linked to a number of cancers, cigarettes much more than coffee
I've never seen a Christian crying that drinking coffee is a sin.

MuttleyLaff:
There are lots of things not stated in the bible that when done, are deemed as ''missing the mark'' and/or ''hitting the wrong mark''
(i.e. as you already know or probably guessed, sin means ''missing the mark'' and/or ''hitting the wrong mark'')

In what way is smoking missing the mark?
Don't tell me it is because it is harmful to the health because there are a lot of things that humans do that are harmful to health but they are morally acceptable.

MuttleyLaff:
No he wouldnt have been killed anyway, if he had outrightly refused
as Deuteronomy 25:9-10, states he will be publicly humiliated and disgraced

Thanks for the clarification.

God killed Onan because he disobeyed him, not because he practiced coitus interruptus. If he had outrightly refused to sleep with her, he would have been killed anyways.

hopefulLandlord:
How about someone who blasphemed against the holy spirit?

No mercy for that one bro
The Bible said so

Watch Christians invade this thread and tell you that smoking is a sin even though it's not stated in the Bible.

Following.
I'll jump in where necessary.

hopefulLandlord:
Wilgrea7 is one of the few theists that make sense in almost every post

I find his arguments more convincing cuz he doesn't make assertions with nothing to back them up

I've always studied his posts since the day he opened a thread on hell fire

I'm a fan of Wilgrea7, ever since I debated with him sometime ago. I like his arguments. He's one theist I respect on this platform.

Richirich713
Let's continue naa.
I've read up on the Talmund. It's an ever evolving book with things being added and removed.
The Talmund first mentioned Jesus long after he died putting it's veracity in question. Even at that, it didn't paint Jesus in a positive light.
One of the write up says that he would be sent to hell where he will burn with faeces for 12 months with no rest on the sabbath day.

alBHAGDADI:
Yet, catfishbilly wants me to take Wikipedia serious, as if the citations they have were not written by men who could be false. An example is the one you pointed out where osun is said to be 85% Muslim. Very laughable. Muslims are minority in Yoruba land.

If you don't understand the concept of "citations needed" then you shouldn't be reading research articles at all.

Couldn't have said it better.
You've won yourself a fan.

alBHAGDADI:
Any Tom, dick and Harry can edit Wikipedia.

Have you tried editing it yourself?
Do you know the hoops you have to jump before your edit is accepted?
You think they are fools to allow anybody to edit and misinform the public?

alBHAGDADI:
You must be a joke to have quoted Wikipedia and your source.

I don't get why people look down on Wikipedia. It's a factual website with references for all their articles.
I've written an international exam and scored in the 99 percentile, I prepared for that exam with Wikipedia and other books.
Mock it at your own peril

Richirich713:
Any source which mentions his death, Talmud and the other gospels etc. All only speak of a crucifixion.



What Roman records? Atheist historian Bart Ehrman says those records don't exist. So what are u talking about?

No records?
How did we get to know about Julius Ceaser and Augustus Ceaser?

Don't see how the earthquake is relevant to his existence. Why should we have records that a earthquake occurred before we can conclude he existed, hell I can disprove the existence of any ancient figure like that.

The earthquake is part and parcel of the crucifixion story, the Romans recorded earthquakes, Pliny the young wrote about the eruption of Mount Vesuvius and you think he wouldn't write about an earthquake?

Evens if that was the case (nd it isn't) it wouldn't really bother me as long as those people can give me good reasons to why certain books should be in while others shouldn't.

How was the Bible compiled then?
And what were their good reasons for excluding some books?

Richirich713:
There will always be people who won't be convinced. Mostly becuz they don't want to be convinced.



And becuz other ancient sources mention his death by crucifixion.

Which other sources apart from Tacitus, Pliny and Josephus?
The Romans kept very good records, he lived in the AD dispensation, they should have captured him if he was as influential as he was painted in the bible.
There was no record of the earthquake that supposedly happened after Jesus died.

Guy, I don't believe in that gospel.

Shey you know say na humans like me and you sat down over drinks and decided which books should be in the Bible and shouldn't?
It was purely their personal opinion and their discretion.

bolkay47:
Following are according to Tim O'Neill.
"There are no contemporary accounts or mentions of Jesus. There should be, so clearly no Jesus existed."
This seems a good argument to many, since modern people tend to leave behind them a lot of evidence they existed (birth certificates, financial documents, school records, etc.) and prominent modern people have their lives documented by the media almost daily. So it sounds suspicious to people that there are no contemporary records at all detailing or even mentioning Jesus.
But our sources for anyone in the ancient world are scarce and rarely are they contemporaneous—they are usually written decades or even centuries after the fact. Worse still, the more obscure and humble in origin the person is, the less likely that there will be any documentation about them or even a fleeting reference to them at all.
For example, few people in the ancient world were as prominent, influential, significant and famous as the Carthaginian general Hannibal. He came close to crushing the Roman Republic, was one of the greatest generals of all time and was famed throughout the ancient world for centuries after his death down to today. Yet how many contemporary mentions of Hannibal do we have? Zero. We have none. So if someone as famous and significant as Hannibal has no surviving contemporary references to him in our sources, does it really make sense to base an argument about the existence or non-existence of a Galilean peasant preacher on the lack of contemporary references to him? Clearly it does not.
So while this seems like a good argument, a better knowledge of the ancient world and the nature of our evidence and sources shows that it's actually extremely weak.
NB: I posted the above stance because of your words in the link you provided. "Jesus didn't exist at all because there is no record and it is very unusual for Romans not to keep a record of something that almost destroyed their empire; they recorded national embarrassments like Nordic invasion, Hannibal and even Spartacus. Just like Moses, the tales of Jesus were made out of nowhere."

No contemporary accounts of Hannibal?
I refuse to believe so.
There were artifacts to prove he existed, coins and the likes which have been dated.
His existence was never in doubt.

Richirich713:
Don't need to, his existence is historically certain, hell even his crucifixion is historically certain. So I'm not sure how much research u have done.

His existence is not historically certain.
CNN did a program this month to prove his existence, it still didn't completely convince.
His crucifixion was accepted based on the fact that Christians won't invent an embarrassing death for their God. Read up on the criteria of embarrassment.

Those gospels didn't make it cuz they were written too late.



Why would I want to beat that when I don't see any reason to believe its true.

Read the gospel of Pseudo Matthew Chapter 18 for the dragon story.

otemdomino:
Jesus Sapien doesn't exist. The one who existed was Faulkin(Zeusus Krista) millions of years ago in the period of the hominids and neanderthals/homo erectus.

That particular one didn't even do as much as Eusebius wrote the fictitious Jesus Sapien to do in the period of the homo sapiens.

Here are the accounts of Zeusus Erectus aka Faulkin in the periods of the Neanderthals. These are written by one of his followers whom he used for false miracles:

Puff and pass bro, really

Richirich713:
atheists need to stop with this "Jesus never existed"

Prove it beyond every reasonable doubt, you'll win me over.
I was of the opinion that Jesus existed as an atheist, til I started researching on the topic.
If you read about the gospels that didn't make it into the Bible, you'll realize that it's a work of fiction.
In one of the Gospels, Jesus was the commander of a school of dragons.
Can you beat that?

Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny the young wrote about Jesus long after he died.
They relied on word of mouth. We all know how unreliable word of mouth accounts are.
Josephus' records have even been called a fraud by some scholars.
There were other historians who lived around the same time as Jesus and they never wrote about him.
There are 5 different tombs claiming to be where Jesus was buried, including one in Japan.
It gets more absurd when you start analyzing the stories.

zionmade:
Wen am done confusing u and wen u re done running around like a mad dog den u just shut up.
Or if u re still interested in making a travesty of ur brain den in simple terms, wen will akpan and simbi's dna be combined to produce a dna dat can override d dna of okon. Or rather wen will d a synthesized dna from prof alabi's lab be injected into okon's blood to override okon's dna so dat okon's blood can be genetically mutated

I give up. If you know nothing about genetics don't come here and talk.
It's okay to be ignorant on some topics, it's not a crime, shoving half baked knowledge down people's throat, that is a crime.
You don't know genetics, accept it and move on. Heaven won't fall. Stop posting nonsense here.

engineerboat:
So what is your question

Did you have to quote the full thing?

onos1979:
he said the wife died of TB,my question is, why didn't he pray for God to heal her of the TB rather than wait till she is dead and now want's to resurrect her.

What makes you think that he didn't pray for her to be healed of the TB and when that failed he escalated to raising her from the dead?
Like I said, nothing fails like prayers.

GodsMopol:
Well, just here to give an answer and not defend, you know what I mean, I think Catfishbilly does, shout out bro, how was your day, loooool.

Why do Christians pray, I might have to go Bible on this, yea, I might not come back here to follow necessary quotes so don't be angry if I don't.

Yea, we pray because the devil is in charge of this world and we need some assistance somehow, from the God up there. I believe in tr operations o the devil, and I don't have powers to stop his operations, so I must ask for America to come to fight my book Haram, because America GATS all the sophisticated weapons to deal with the tricky boko Haram, by the way, where is my drone, I think I can comment if you quote me, thanks

What the fuckkkkkkk did I just read?