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According to the genealogy of Jesus in Matthew Chapter 1, there were 40 people in his lineage from Abraham to Joseph, so assuming 100 years for a generation (which is very generous), that'll be 4000 years.
Jesus was said to have lived 2000 years ago, that's 6000 years.
The period between Adam and Abraham is unaccounted for.
So, make your own decisions.

chubbyswit:
and you believe that those methods are accurate? Why are atheists too gullible? Nawao

Well, the science community has accepted carbon dating.
There is always a margin of error, but by and large, it's reliable.
What dating methods do you propose then?

To show their level of thievery?

KingEbukasBlog:
There are different concepts of God because humans are uncertain or are agnostic about His nature

So, with this quote of yours, would it be safe to say that the concept of God is a human invention?

nelszx:
https://www.quora.com/Can-a-persons-blood-group-change-from-A+-to-B+
Enzymes that changes the sugar moieties on the surfaces of A and B
You studied Medical microbiology for 2 semesters, I specialised in Medical Microbiology (B.MLS)

Okay, the issue of Genotype has been settled.


You're still talking about circulating RBC. Sure bacteria enzyme changes the surface sugars. When that batch of RBC die off or the Infection is contained, the blood group goes back to status quo, so it didn't change.
If it changed, it would have been permanent and the only thing that can change blood group is at the genetic level.
It just like a Pseudomonas Infection that might activate the same channel as a cystic fibrosis patient. You won't because of that and declare the person a cystic fibrosis patient because after the Infection resolves, the channel goes back to normal.

nelszx:
A doctor can order a genotype even a day after transfusion it still wouldn't change. Only the blood group will (thats if the patient received a different blood type)




Don't just doubt always confirm and if I'm wrong call to my attention. Klebsiella produces enzymes when in systemic circulation that can change blood group A or B to O.

When I was in LUTH,. an SCD patient did Hb Genotype after transfusion and it was AA after 3 months, it went back to SS. So it won't be like I'm telling you fairy tales. Ask doctors around you, no one orders for genotype or blood group within 3 months after transfusion.

I was trying to be polite, throughout​ my 2 semesters of studying microbiology, it was never mentioned that Klebsiella triggers gene mutation, so it's impossible to change blood group. I'm not talking about circulating RBC now, I'm talking about genetic source.
So, you lied or alternatively, post your source.

nelszx:
Not what gives me that idea, I know it does
Things that can change blood group
1. Chimera phenomenon (Chimerism)
2. Cis - ab phenomenon
3. Rectal disease / infection by Klebsiella after it must have gone into systemic circulation.
4. Blood transfusion (though excessive): For a short while before it goes back to normal
5. Mutations

You didn't see the part where I said it goes back to the status quo after 3 months?
Average life cycle of RBC is 120 days, so no doctor will order for a genotype or blood group within 3 months of a blood transfusion because the result would be unreliable.


Factors that determine Blood​ groups are encoded in genes, so only things that can alter the gene example mutation, chimera and stuff can change the blood group. I doubt that your Klebsiella thing.

nelszx:
Genotype doesn't change 3 months post blood transfusion, it can't and will never change. Blood group can, the only things capable of changing the genotypes are mutations, marrow transplant aside those nothing can change genotype

Where did I write that Genotype will change 3 months after transfusion?
What gives you that idea that blood group can change?

Ranchhoddas:
Is it not curious that these things often happen after bouts of prayers are offered?

Sure, it is, no doubt.
But you also have to account for confirmation bias and expectational bias.
The eye sees what it wants to see.

@Ranchhoddas
I've read your posts about faith healing and I'll just like to talk about them.
1) Changing Hemoglobin Genotype (SS to AA)
It's medically impossible to change the Genotype from one to the other.
However genotype results in Nigeria should be taken with a pinch of salt. You know why I said that? Because a lot of road side laboratories​ are run by quacks and they churn out fake results. Genotype result should be accepted after it has been run by at least 3 different Government hospital owned laboratories.
I've seen cases where a partner was told that they're AA then they go ahead to marry an AS partner then end up having SS kids.
Genotype could also "change" after a blood transfusion, but it goes back to the status quo after 3 months.
There are sickle cell disease looking patients that don't have SS genotype, but a quack looks at them, puts down SS genotype, then when it's repeated at another lab, shows AA
We have also seen cases where after a faith healing episode, patient will come to the hospital with a lab result showing that genotype has changed, then years later, same patient will come to the hospital with severe anaemia and repeat genotype will show that it's SS.

2) The body can take care of Stage IV cancer in very rare cases. How it happens is that the immune system after being repeatedly assaulted by these cancer cells make a precise response to these cells and kill them off.
The primary Gene mutation that gave rise to the cancer cells is still there, but the immune system now has memory of these cells, so anytime they are produced, they are killed off.
A classic example of this is a coven of prostitutes in Uganda who have been found to be immune to HIV.
To religious people, that is a miracle, but it has a very simple explanation.
After being repeatedly exposed to very large numbers of different strains of HIV, this has heightened the sensitivity and activity of the immune system, so, any cell infected with the HIV is killed off.
I hope this explains it all to you.

A88C:
if that is is the case how will you convince influential and powerful criminal who does not consider emphathy logical that robbery is bad

People that lack empathy have a diagnosis, they are called psychopaths and religion doesn't cure that.

What of women who tore their hymen while riding a bicycle/bike, riding a horse, or through unavoidable vagina instrumentation cos of gynecological conditions?

A88C:
get an understanding of my post before you comment

I posted that before you put up your epistle and I still stand by my post

Have you noticed that in all these life after death stories, the heavens/hells are different?
The Christian paints a different picture​, the Muslim paints a different picture.
Do you know why? Because the mind is an amazing thing. They are only playing back memories in their subconscious which could be their greatest fear as a result of years and years of indoctrination.
Free your mind and you won't have after life visions, True Talk

luvmijeje:
Okayy! You've also given a lot of reasons why it's untenable so why are you singling out Christians.



In other words the white man should rule over you.

Is it not luvmijeje again?
I knew she was gonna say something very ignorant to that wonderfully crafted reply and she didn't disappoint.

A88C:
base on all of the above defination given so far. it shows athiest are not as smart as they claim. they only proof to be stubborn. well i understand you can not give what you do not have,

Fine, we are the dumbest people on Earth, no wahala if it.makes you snore well at night.
Oya define God let's debate.

A88C:
did athiest know they have a god？

Coolgee and myself have given you different definitions of God, you refused to debate it.
Oya define God yourself let's debate, you still refused?
Which one you dey?

urheme:
so person no go die again ....after healing they should live forever ......pastors don't heal......God heals.

you cannot get that miraculous healing with organized religion....pastors who televise miracles use them to attract more members....more members = more offerings and tithe .

but Joke apart catfish....there is divine healing whether you believe in it or not.

How is it divine healing when an ailment you got healed of still ends up killing you?

Don't even bother yourself, prayer/Men of God haven't healed anybody of any ailment that can be indepently verified by another neutral hospital.
We've heard stories and seen patients claiming that they got healed of Sickle Cell disease even providing lab test results to back up their claims and still later dying from that same sickle cell disease.

Okay, MuttleyLaff and A88C, I'll bite.
God is a concept created by humans to explain what they can't explain.
Here, you have it.

A88C:
pls repost it

Here it is

God is a/an entity/word/ used by the primitives to explain incomprehensible events

A88C:
fantastic.simple logic you can give what you dont know.becuse you do not see GOD does not mean he did not exist or is absence of an idea equal to an extablished fact. why are some children suffrng？ do you know what is call test？ this is part of what make us human. in school some are privilledge to be more smarter than the other even if they are taught under the same condition and do you still no why？ it is called test. i will post more enlightment on test soon

Concudee has defined god for you naa, tackle it.

Wilgrea7:
I'm not a theist-atheist kind of person but i just want to clarify something....

the op's question “define God" is invalid except in some situations.... let me explain... its only valid when there is a misunderstanding between the theist and the atheist on the concept of “God".... but then... that's a wrong way to ask the question... it should rather be “what view of God are you talking about?"
basically... different people have different definitions for “God" cuz God is not a name but a title... some Christians/muslims/few other theists still view God as a white bearded man in the sky... others call “God" energy... some say the universe is God... some say the universe is the soul of God... basically, people have different views of God and different things they call “God"... majority of atheists are against the white bearded man mentality .... so a theist cannot tell an atheist to define God... the theist has to bring forth his own definition of God first... then maybe... if there is a misunderstanding in the discussion whereby the atheist seems to be arguing against a different view from the theist, then the theist can now ask the atheist to “define God(or better still... ask for the view of God he is arguing against)" so that the theist can understand the concept of God the atheist is arguing against and then correct it... let me give an instance

wilgrea7: i believe in God(christian/muslim)

atheist: i don't believe in God

in the above, the atheist must have understood the concept of the Christian/muslim God... then asking the atheist to define God would be a waste of time and a bad thing to do... cuz we both know the concept of God we're dealing with...

second scenario

wilgrea7: i believe in God(religion/faith not stated)

atheist: i don't believe in God..

wilgrea7:the universe is the soul of God
(atheist not understanding, then starts arguing against the white bearded view of God)

wilgrea7: define God(or better still) .. what view of God are you talking about

atheist: *lists his view*(white bearded man)

wilgrea7: that is not my view... i believe that all the galaxies etc are the soul of God.. i don't believe in the white bearded man view

atheist: (then understands and can now reject or argue against the panentheistic view)

note: the second scenario is very rare and only applies in case of misunderstanding.... however... the question “define God" is invalid... if there is a misunderstanding, the theist should ask “what view of God are you arguing against?".... again... only applies in case of misunderstanding...

Making sense as always

A88C:
you mean you can not defined what is not real.then you should be able to tell us what it should be if it is real. i have no problem of,whom GOD IS YOU DO

This is hopeless

A88C:
defined GOD base on the concept of your logic to defend that he did not exist. YOU HAVE MUCH TO ARGUE BUT LESS TO SAY

Does ugbelegbele exist ?
Please answer

A88C:
fictional you call it.hope you know what that mean.you claim there is no GOD. you should be able to tell me what is god so i can measure and compare to what i understand by GOD. supposed i tell you nigeria is in europe i should be able to identify nigeria map located within europe map and if i can not it means i am not truthful

How can I be able to tell you what God is when I say there is no God?
There is no God, so I can't tell you what it is because it doesn't exist. I have no basis for comparison or description.
You say it exists, oya describe it for us.

A88C:
ATHIEST HAVE LESS TO SAY BUT MUCH TO ARGUE. if you can not answer the above question dont expect me to help you. i HAVE MUCH TO SAY BUT LESS TO ARGUE. let it marinate

Then, I guess this thread is dead on arrival
Or, does ugbelegbele exist?

A88C:
catfish belly. GOD do not exist you say,then you should be able to tell me what is GOD if he did not exist as you claim.you must have gotten a proper understanding of whom GOD should be if he exist.or should i assume you have less to say but much to argue.

If I say a fictional animal ugbelegbele exists, you'll say no, and I ask you to define ugbelegbele, it doesn't make sense right?
Same thing asking me to define God who I say doesn't exist.

You can't tell me to define what I don't believe in.
You say God exists, the onus is on you to define, then we'll tackle your definition of God.
What you're doing now is onus probandi (shifting the burden of proof)

Major Depression is a Psychiatric disorder, it doesn't care about your religion, status or wealth.
Na so Christians talk say Schizophrenia na demonic possession, now we know better.

updatemachine:
my level never reach that one... But the one I have is enough to liberate your mind.. If you are not in kwara...and can't come over... Just ignore...dnt have time to argue..

It's not a matter of level, your ring can do something that isn't natural, they are offering money for you to show them something that isn't natural.
Your ring can do that, go for it.
By my estimation, the total sum is more than $2million

updatemachine:
Atheism... Atheism shit is nothing more than another wide spread crap...

If you stay in KWARA here and you are a real atheist
.. State your local govt and I will see if I can make it there... If not.. You will have to come over here in iponri...

Lemme show you some stuff... Though Islam is against sorcery... I will show you worthwhile stuff.. Arguing with you here is much like dropping tears on a house on fire to quench it...

Lemme hit your chest with my ring, you will loose total consciousness for a specified amount of time... I will use it on someone... If you would like.. I will use it on you and video you live while you go into coma until I free you...even you seun leave your house and come...
If you are interested... Send me pm.. I will give you contact details...

I dnt have time to debate you on the internet.. Just come here to kwara if you can...

Guy see all these money, go win them, then we'll talk.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal