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What are you talking about? Who said we want to lead Africa, This continent is too big and complex to lead it. Do you think if Nigeria is still struggling in its own region to be recognised, any other country can do it. Our focus is on our citizen, to better their lives and their living conditions. If nigeria wants to lead, you can go ahead.

Thank you very Much, well said.

If South Africa wanted to represent(control) Africa we would've started with SADC.

Its a huge responsibility that we aren't ready to take on.

We are more worried about developing the Continent then controlling it

Yeah now he suddenly realises that he made a very stup*d and impulsive move.
What a Arrow!!

GenBuhari:
Another white rushing to defend white genocide?

It is height of evil to wage war and murder innocent people.

How am I defending white people, I'm a proud black man.

You are in denial, its people like you who are bringing us down, you refuse to look at the root problems and you'd rather blame everyone else.

We've all known for a very long time that Europeans don't want us in their Countries so why can't we just all stay at home, and fix our own Countries.

Nothing justifies drowning immigrants, but we all have to be honest with ourselves here, if we took care of our own homes our people wouldn't have to run away to other countries.

GenBuhari:
You sound like a white person. justifying your evil genocide

How is saying that we should stay and fight for our own freedom and create our own paradise, justifying Evil.. Some of you people let your racism and hatred cloud your judgement.

I'd rather died at home as a South African trying to make my country a better place then to be treated as a third class piece of shit in a foreign country.

Its time for us as Africans to face our Demons and defeat them or die trying.

seppuku:

Sans as in South Africans.... Saffers etc not Khoi San??

Oh sorry I wasn't specific, I meant Khoi San.

seppuku:


of course most Sans will probably be Zulu or speak Zulu, Wasn't that Shaka's whole agenda??

Kinda like 50% of Nigeria being Muslim and speaking Hausa when most of them are not ethnically Hausa

Most San speak Zulu Are you out of your mind O_O

San people have their own language bruh!

And many of them don't even like Zulus.

seppuku:


of course most Sans will probably be Zulu or speak Zulu, Wasn't that Shaka's whole agenda??

Kinda like 50% of Nigeria being Muslim and speaking Hausa when most of them are not ethnically Hausa

Most San speak Zulu Are you out of your mind.

San people have their own language bruh!

And many of them don't even like Zulus.

seppuku:


What strong bond do you have with Tanzania?

Your Zulu Xenophobes can't tell one Foreign Kwerekwere from another......if you can't speak IsiZulu.... you are F*#ked in SA!

Check this advert out. In very bad taste!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R7vu9SuxaQ[/flash]

Actually I'm wrong, Zulu isn't as dominant as most people think, the best way to Survive or blend into S.A is to be Multilingual we have 11 official Languages, I've met plenty of South Africans at campus who don't understand a single word of Zulu.

Its mainly about where you are and what the dominant Culture of language is in that Area.

Not knowing Zulu is not death sentence though you may come across those arrogant people who see it as a sin but Majority of South Africans just care about being able to Communicate with each other.

I know 7 languages that I learnt from all the different people I've met through out my life.

Its like when you go to Limpopo you are most likely to find Vendas, Tsonga, Pedis etc... Then you know those are the languages you'll most likely have to use in that Area.

I could give you many more examples but I don't really have the energy for that Cr*p.

seppuku:


What strong bond do you have with Tanzania?

Your Zulu Xenophobes can't tell one Foreign Kwerekwere from another......if you can't speak IsiZulu.... you are F*#ked in SA!

Check this advert out. In very bad taste!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R7vu9SuxaQ[/flash]

In S.A Zulu is treated like english sort of like a universal language in S.A, mainly because its because most S.Ans are Zulu.

I've seen that add before I even posted it on another Thread, it shows the truth about S.A and that the real owners of this country are the SAN People. The rest of us are just migrants.

The BILLIONS you donated probably ended up in the hands of some of the people on this list or others like them.


www.nairaland.com/2284881/world-bank-releases-list-nigerian

Maybe that's why the Majority of South Africans don't know anything about Nigerians donating Billions to us during the Apartheid Era.

One of the Countries that went all out to help S.A is Tanzania that's why they were giving so much attention and praise on Mandelas Funeral. That's why S.A has such a strong bond with Tanzania.

SirShymexx:


- Lmao...it is actually laughable that you would think a country like Nigeria expended that much on another country. You don't even need to be a genius to know that the number is ludicrous and it doesn't add up. Let me break it down for you: Nigeria's annual budget when apartheid ended in the 90s can be more than $4 billion. And in the 80s and 70s it should be hundreds of millions in US dollars. So, you mean Nigeria basically gave out $2 billion from let's say the 70s, to when apartheid ended over a period of 30 years, no? And it actually gave more than its annual budget for expenditure on itself during the same period, for about 20 years, running in deficit/debts, while spending nothing on Nigeria, no? I'm sure you understand simple mathematics - you can do the maths to see that the figure doesn't add up. You don't need to be a genius to see that.

- So, you mean Nigeria was singled out of all the other Africa countries to be targeted by whites, on a list compiled by those who were part of the struggle, no? Why did they target only Nigeria and not the other countries? The relationship between South Africa and Zimbabwe isn't that rosy - but the country was listed there. Then if its about competition on the African continent - Egypt and Algeria are in the same league as Nigeria and South Africa. However, Algeria made almost every sector of the list, while Egypt is also listed there. Or perhaps, Nigeria just never played a vital role in the actual struggle, and that's the same reason why the country's isn't also on academic sources as well - apart from Nigerian sources? No conspiracies - post proofs.

- How are you sources not propaganda? You quoted a source that cited a ridiculous amount that Nigeria would never have been able to afford to spend on its own people during that period, even if it tried to, with all the looting/mismanagement that happened. Now imagine spending that on a movement in another country - laughable. Then the other one is a wikipedia source (lol) about lousy 300 passports without even providing the names of any notable person in the anti-apartheid struggle that was exiled in Nigeria. At least if 300 came to Nigeria, there should be a few notable names. How about name them?

- An academic source means scholarship by an academic in an higher institution of learning. I gave you a journal published by a Professor of African studies at a reputable American University. However, you're yet to return the favour - what you gave back in return was a lousy Nigerian source which quoted a ridiculous number and wikipedia. Also, the cynicism in Ann Genova's conclusion was because they gave different reasons for nationalising BP - albeit the claim about apartheid got louder due to the convenience in using that as an excuse. Obviously, you will express scepticism on what the real intent was - that's a no-brainer.

- Mandela also spoke about how Gaddafi was a big brother in the struggle when he came out, but Libya wasn't on the list as well. And he wouldn't know much because he went to prison before Gaddafi became the president of Libya. So if I were you, I'd take whatever Mandela said as just being PC for those who supported him when he came out of prison.

- I believe the UK made the list, despite how pro-apartheid the leaders were, because a lot of ANC folks were exiled in the UK and they had an office in London. Thabo Mbeki for example was exiled in the UK, and a host of others. I believe you have lived long enough in the UK to know that the UK is somewhat liberal regardless of whatever international posturing its foreign policy is operating under. And there are, and have always been tons of leftists/communists/socialists in the UK, especially in the academic class, who are proponents of preserving people's human rights anywhere on the planet. So, ANC had their support and there were anti-apartheid rallies in the UK back then. For example: in the recent case at the UN between Mauritius and the UK about Chagos Archipelago, in which Mauritius won. The country was represented by a Brit.

Lastly, you're a very funny guy. I'm just objective when it comes to issues like this one cos I actually studied African history - pre and post colonisation - with enough scholarship, before I even joined this forum. So, my knowledge about Africa is vast, though I kind of limited how I speak about it, on here. This has absolutely nothing to do with being pro-anyone...I just expected more from a country like Nigeria during that era, but it seems bad leadership and corruption denied the country the greatness it would have achieved if it had been at the forefront of a lot of things, during that turbulent era of African history. I don't take sides when it comes how things happened in the past - humanity is bigger than nationality.

10/10

At least someone who decided to look at the reality of things before commenting, unlike most people here who just comment without thinking.

I don't know why people are complaining that we are no finally enforcing our Immigration Laws.

Remember when the SABC Crew was robbed on Live TV?

The Robbers turned out to be Foreign Nationals.

So when you don't enforce Immigration Laws the bad apples sneak in and do horrible things because they are not citizens and have nothing to lose, its very rare to hear about South Africans committing Crimes in other African Countries.

jln115:

That's a Hawk not a Gripen mate.

Yeah you can actually tell by the Size of the much Smaller Wing on the Top Left Corner, though the Cockpit does look a lot like the Gripen... Its probably one of those "Gripenised" Hawks.

frumentius:


There are times when a 7.62 is preferable.
A batch of almost 2000 never-been-used original R1s were sourced from Zimbabwe - properly stored when the Zimbos opted for the Kalashnikov - and the gunsmiths over at the SF Brigade Supply Unit had great fun updating and modifying them.

A quiz for you and others: there are at least 5 discernible differences between the standard R1 and the SF standard. Spot them.

Pic 1: standard R1, from Zim stock
Pic 2: modified R1

Well Henry120 beat me to it by naming most of differences, but I think the last one is actually a Silencer/Suppressor and not a Muzzle Breaker.

agaugust:


It's your failed tax-revenue collection system at the local level in South Africa that you will blame for that, or is it immigrants that will help you build up South African tax collection system? Go fix your tax shït man, ya gotta fücking 3rd world tax system in South Africa
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S.A Tax-Revenue Collection System is one of the best on the continent, and you know that plus you can't track of random Shops popping up in Squarter Camps.

You call us a Third world country yet your tax Collection system is a thousand times worse.

How many people actually pay taxes in Nigeria?

andrewza:


The somlian shop in Simmons town uses as goods. All so he pays taxes.

The owner is interesting. He was In Mogadishu during the whole Blackhawk down thing. Got shot then to.

I'm not saying that every shop owned by foreigner nationals don't pay taxes. All I'm saying is that it is a Significant amount of them that don't pay Taxes and we can actually see the effects socially and economically, and don't mistaken me for one of those lazy Bastards who blame foreigners for "taking all the jobs" but I just believe that if you are going to work or own a business in any country then you should also make a contribution to that Countries economy.

But anyway you should Visit a place called Somalia street in joburg and try to guess how many of those people actually pay taxes.

iterator24:
just when i thought this dude and patches are enlightened.
i have questions for you two.

1. who do they pay their shop rent to?
2. where do they get their merchandise? (Remember 14% tax)
3. They eat and reside in SA, who gets all the money they spend on these?

you two are dull , i think you guys should go study economics. the truth is, these informal businesses makes up the real sector of your economy and they contribute to your GDP. its not all about eskom, transnet or those businesses you're used to.

Nigeria is a good example, Never underestimate the informal sector of an economy.

Quite disappointed you said the bolded.. smh

Go to Soweto and see what's going on there, a lot of the shops there aren't registers, there's a huge difference between the profit they make and the rent they pay.

I honestly don't have a problem with people from other countries owning Businesses in S.A.

It becomes a problem when people smuggle goods into the country or don't register their Businesses.

Not even the police know where some of these shops are because the open in random places and prefer to remain hidden, one of the reasons it was so difficult for police to stop the looting is that they don't know the locations of the shops, which makes it almost impossible for the police to protect them.

The informal sector is good when your Business owners sell local products.

My girlfriend is Ghanaian and her father owns, Linen shop and he keeps telling me about how he's friend make a Sh*t load of money from selling Smuggled Goods and not paying Taxes, and that he's always tempted to do the same but he can't because he doesn't want to be seen and another "Foreign Crook" and mainly because his religion doesn't allow it.

So this doesn't just hurt S.A but also hurts other honest African.

agaugust:


Blame your Southie government for the poor immigration controls that failed to control illegal immigration.

Blame your South Africa for allowing more legal immigrants than your economy can absorb, all because your government wants to make money from all visa applicant, you just issue visas to anybody any how even if he is potentially a drug pusher.

Blame your ANC government of incompetent blacks and coloreds who cannot operate an effective grass root level tax collection system.

Blame South Africa for being a rotten third world country...have you bought enough candles for tonight? Eskom is about to make you blind again tonight, you will grope in the dark
.

Do you ever stop b*tching??

Patchesagain:


He is not our "king"

He is a king

Foreigners and their spaza shops contribute nothing to the society and are infact a drain on the economy as they send money to their home countries and their profits are not taxed.

True the problem is that most of their goods are sent in illegally and tax free, and their businesses aren't registered so they don't pay tax like other South Africans, and that's my only problem with all those Businesses.

But its a good thing the government is working on tackling that issue right now.

yoged:
Black south Africans living in SA are lazy. They never strife to get or keep a job. They obviously can't fight the Whites ruling them there, i wonder why they are killing their fellow Africans who are more ambitious. Now, their women prefer to marry foreigners because they know their men won't take care of them.

What you're saying right now is complete Bullsh*t its like me saying that all Nigerians are Drug Dealing Savages which we both know is not true, you can't judge us all in the same way because of the action of a few lazy ret*rds.

South Africans Work Hard we push and create opportunities when there's nothing there, why do you think that so many foreigners flock to S.A its because they can see that S.A is a country of opportunities they see that the locals who want to make something of themselves push hard to succeed in life, and foreigners also see that S.A is land of opportunities and if you want to succeed you will succeed regardless of who you are.

The issue of S.A women marrying foreigners is nothing new, this happens because most of them are desperate for money or love, or because S.A guys have screwed them up, I mean when women from other countries come to S.A they go for S.Ans my Girl friend is from Ghana, *A Dark beauty with a big Booty *

The one thing most people don't understand about S.A is that all the good that happens is always overshadowed by the little bad things that go on. Its like when my uncle was working as an Engineer in the U.K and then the bosses found out that an Indonesian guy had faked his qualifications for the Company forced all of the *Foreign* Employees to right a series of exams to prove that they are qualified including Foreigners who had been there for more than 5 years. Just because one guy did it the assumed that every foreigner was also a fraud. And this is no different from what's going on in S.A because 20 lazy men out of 200 men complain about foreigners taking their jobs then people immediately assume that the other 180 men are also like the others.

MikeCZAR:
I won't reveal any info not made publicly
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But you can deploy troops anywhere you want.

Well that's not what those Soldiers told me, but I don't know everything so I can't really argue with what you're saying.

MikeCZAR:
SA deployed troops(The training team) to CAR on a Bi-national agreement between both governments.

This mission was not under AU or UN. As you could've seen they didn't wear blue or green helmet covers.

When things turned sour a protection force was sent to CAR.

Yes they were not under the U.N but they still had to follow the basic rules, you can not deploy soldiers into another country without U.N approval these days. The media didn't include the part about the UN because they ddnt know about it. The only way to know about such things is to talk directly to the people who were there.

MikeCZAR:
No, UN was not involved there. The SA forces were under SANDF control the mission HQ was in PTA.

By operatives I meant the scouts the guys who field Cytoon.

Dude I'm being serious right now, I just repeating what the guy told me. I also didn't understand why they had to involve the U.N. But don't forget that whenever you deploy troops into a foreign country, the U.N needs to know about it, S.A is not as powerful as the U.S where we can deploy where ever we want, and remember that our Mandate in C.A.R was to train Troops and provide Vip protection and not to engage "potential threats" unless they fired on us first, and that's why they had to ask for permission from the U.N.

MikeCZAR:
On the later he might talking about DRC.

Even in conventional war the intel operatives are rarely seen.

Nope I'm definitely sure he said C.A.R, Intelligence operatives are always included in almost every SANDF deployment. the guy told us that CAR was actually a U.N screw up, because when his team detected ±10 000 fighters armed with Aks moving towards the city, he sent a live stream from his Thales Binoculars to UN HQ, and they somehow dismissed it as nothing more than Civilian Carrying, and they Ordered him not to engage.

Msauza:



SADF never used mercenaries, all people who fought in that war had direct interest and were never contractors.

Yep they were Foreign Volunteers who joined the SADF and not just random guns for hire.

L☹L! So it turns out that the Germans are the ones who can't Shoot straight Huh?!

frumentius:


The other photos contain restricted material. Nothing we've not seen the Yanks etc fielding, but that's the SANDF for you.

Wow nice Gatz bro,it seems like the Sandf still has a very tight grip on the R1.

Sorry for being a pain in the a** but could you atleast tell us what kind of helmet is the Recce operative wearing, that's my final request.

frumentius:
South African Special Forces AFAC, Goma, DRC

We want more!!

I always had a feeling that the crappy gear we see our SF guys using on displays and exercises was not the stuff they use on actual deployments.

That Camouflage R5 looks awesome.

MikeCZAR:
The scouts or intelligence units are rarely seen, their ops are top secret.

The bats are mostly deployed with their sf buddies.

In C.A.R they were all deployed to together, the Intelligence Operative I spoke to told me that it was his team that first detected around ±10 000 Seleka Rebels from the mountains (but I'm not sure if he was telling the truth or stole someone else's story)..

But anyway he said his team were actually taking pictures and sending live feeds back to U.N HQ while the Parabats and S.Fs were engaging the enemy, while 3 or 4 Parabs were providing cover for him.

andrewza:


I quoted the wrong person. Sorry.

Oh alright no problem bro.

stillchris:


cool video patch.

one question. and i don't intend to sound racist, but, do the STF reqcruit blacks?

i don't see any except for the criminals.

This page has more recent pictures of STF Operatives.


www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/1360#27761412

andrewza:


Does that matter. Denel is state owned. All so the only defence company to show there stuff was paramount. That means those mokape belong to the SANDF.

I'm not arguing with anything... All I was saying is that I didn't know we Made those here in S.A, I've usually seen trunks carrying the bridges and not Tanks. It doesn't matter whether it belongs to Denel or SANDF but the fact is its my first time seeing it.