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MajeOfficiall: True words. Igbos are bred to be competitors, and we don't take second place, to any man, white black whatever, lightly. This is why an igbo man can say 'if someone has build a car factory, why can't I?" and go ahead and do it.

a man once wrote that the germans aren't afraid to go to war with their neighbors because anything that's destroyed they can rebuild because they're a great people. There no other place in nigeria that has shown this same greatness outside of the east. You forget that this enugu you're looking at was bombed into dust 40 years ago and now it has surpassed most of Nigeria and shows no signs of stopping. Asaba, Onitcha, Owerri, Enugu, PH, Uyo, Aba, Calabar all of these places were flattened but their still here and still fighting and most cases has surpassed the rest of the country, and more uniquely to the Igbo spirit, cities that were once villages are competing to be up there as well. We're now seeing the raise of Okigwe, Orlu, Nnewi, etc. The same way Owerri was once a backwater.

This is without federal or western help. What city can you say has emerged from western or northern nigeria that wasn't a major city during independence? I attribute the success to the igbos individualistic and competitive nature. An Igbo man will go to Dubai and not think Port Harcourt needs to be on this level or Enugu needs to be on this level. He'll think his own village needs to be on that level and if he acquires enough resources he'll work towards it.

You make some good points. Igbos have their strengths but just that they like to blame their weaknesses on others which make them look like hypocrites sometimes.
every tribe has its strengths and weaknesses. that's for sure.

ak47mann: All this talk about am from Enugu or Anambra is the reason why of states creation brings Tribalism and Hatred b/w the same tribe .. Split Nigeria into 3 or 4 let the Northerners(Hausas) go, Westerners(Yorubas) go and Easterners(Ibos) go including SS.. Let the Birth of BIAFRA Prevail....we will all be in the same Ecowas and share common borders, speak the same English language, free board crossing and trade... with this we will respect each other more... so shall it be In Jesus in Mighty Name ..Amen.. 1914 - 2014... 100yrs of Liberation constitutional. Amicable Separation. will be better for igbo land no-more state creation,

have you ever considered for a second that state creation is NOT the problem?
The problem is the igbo people's inherent nature and mindset to be divisive and "competitive" even amongst themselves. State creation has nothing to do with it.
ex. Yorubas or Hausas do not argue bitterly amongst themselves over which state is better. that just sounds ridiculous to us to do that. so state creation cannot really be blamed for all your woes. infact, last time I checked, igbos are the ones arguing for more state creation. even though they already have enough states for the small size of their region. if things keep going that way, each family in SE will have his own state. lol

also, You guys are extremely sensitive about letting others see any signs of disunity in your camp even when it shows glaringly. That excessive sensitivity to outside criticism and exposure is just a red flag to others that you have a big problem amongst yourselves that you are trying to cover up. You even have your PR-public relations chief (only truth) to give warnings and scoldings to those who are "washing dirty laundry in public." lol I find it very hilarious. why should you care what others think? why do you need to be hushing each other up all the time if you have nothing to hide?

wait....I know why:
it's because the "igbo marginalization" or "igbo persecution" argument that most of you eat and breathe becomes a BIG LIE and SHAM when others see that you are the ones "marginalizing" yourselves. So you try your hardest to make sure no one sees what really goes on in your camp. rotfl EPIC FAIL!

ex Enugu, Abia etc sacking non-indegene igbos from civil service jobs. why would one igbo state remove igbos from the civil service just because they happen to come from another state within the region? And then some igbo fool will open his mouth to complain that he is being marginalized because lagos does not have a igbo governor!! wtf. no wonder you are trying your hardest to hide your disunity. because you are well aware of your hypocrisy!! when you don't even have the right to a common job in your own region, you feel it is your right to demand political post in yorubaland. making yourselves look pitiful.
https://www.nairaland.com/754311/abia-deports-non-indigenous-workers

so, in conclusion: state creation is not the problem. It's a mindset problem.

NRI PRIEST: Yes,and I stand by my words but dont mistake me for a "supremacist"... I never looked down on anybody but i strive to be the best i can be. I didnt join nl today. I have long before now established my views and stance on the Igbo agenda. So,before you start speaking from your a..nus i suggest you look at the Odenigbo closer!

noone called you supremacist. just find the materialistic sentiments very funny. life is too short to sacrifice for money, bro.
but seriously this whole thread is funny. i really am curious to know who the imposter is.

Odenigbo Aroli: I know you guys have lots of rich folks but Omanbala boys are in a class of their own....You simply cannot beat them...y'all be taking business tips from Omanbala guys. All other Igbo see Omanbala boys as a very different breed and they trully are. This is the first time I'm hearing of "Akpugo". I know Orlu ppl gats dough but I ain't know bout Akpugo. Its also a lie that most modern houses in Enugu city are owned by Enugu guys! You should not compare Omanbala boys with anybody...you know why ? Every single Omanbala guy have to be wealthy and that's our mindset mate....get the mulla or die chasing it! That's what it takes to be a Nwa Omanbala.. enugu guys don't have such consuming orientation and inspiration like we do! Some ppl wait for the money to walk up to them while some walks to the mulla and grab it with annoyance. Get it ?

So this whole saga started from this thread: "Enugu Pride of the East"
https://www.nairaland.com/979128/enugu-pride-east/67


hahaha i can't shout
"get the mulla or die chasing it"
choi...na so?

chino24: On point nwanne..Anambra is a monolithic state, that is why we are against any attempt by the rest of SE to touch any part of it in the name of state creation. We are not interested, we are good and perfect combination that way we are.

Very soon they will complain about the SUBJECT..that we should re-phrase it..

Its the only single African state of Nigerian extraction that produced the best and brightest..

ANAMBRA bu Ijele

GOD Bless Anambra

rotfl

which one is omanbala sef? Is that what anambra people call themselves?

Ileke-IdI:
Joke: LOL


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In a recent agreement between Lagos Governor, Babatunde Fashola, and his Ogun counterpart, Senator Ibikunle Amosun, in Abeokuta, the Ogun State capital, 500 hectares of land in Egua community of Yewa Local Government area of Ogun State were leased to Lagos State.


http://questionmarkmag.com/2012/12/ogun-state-denies-ceding-land-to-lagos/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ogun-state-denies-ceding-land-to-lagos

The land is being leased to Lagos for rice farming. Lagos has the technology and tools to accomplish the agricultural project. Besides, shouldn't two states in such close proximity be working together anyway?

It is only in Africa where we are closer to western countries in trade and politics than we are to our own neighbors. Regional cooperation is a key to development. It doesn't mean that we have to politically integrate. Working together as separate states in a region is just as fine. Ultimately, it might lead to political integration but it is way too early to be talking about that. For now, i'm sure the governors are talking more about economic integration. there is a difference.

a strong interstate transportation infrastructure should be next on the list for SW to accomplish. and the states have to work together to accomplish that.

coogar: candidates quota my foot! how many state governors are women in nigeria?
women get nominated on merit not because UN/IMF stipulated anything. if a credible woman aspires to be a governor, i am sure people would vote her in because of her credibility not because of IMF.

you are clearly very clueless about politics.
any tom dick and harry (no matter how talented) can't just put their name on the candidate list and expect to win.
why do you think we only have the option of voting Obama or Mitt Romney (just two candidates). have you stopped to think that there are at least 50 talented people who put their names on the list but just do NOT stand any chance of making it all the way to have their names on our election ballots.
have you ever heard of such thing as political party backing?

UN, World Bank and IMF loans and foreign aid have stipulations and women's rights is one of them.
of course we don't meet those affirmative action quotas but without them, we won't even make an effort.
Money speaks

goodnite. hope you have learned something new today. you're welcome

In the present administration eight women occupy
strategic ministerial posts, they are – Prof. Dora Akunyili
the (Min. for Information), Mrs. Felicia Njeze (Min. of
State), Mrs. Dlazani Madueke (Defence), Mrs. Agata
Jerry (Transport), Mrs. Aishatu Dikku (Min. of State), Mrs.
Grace Ekpiwhre (Science and Technology), Fatima
Ibrahim (Min. of State of Energy and Power) and Mrs.
Bingudu (Min. of women Affairs). From the foregoing it is
evident that there has been an increase in the number of
positions manned by women in Nigerian political affairs,
afar cry from what persisted in the 1950s. This has been
made possible due to the quota allocation system as
approved by the UN to be implemented in global politics.
It can therefore be seen that the practice of the quota
system assists in reducing the low-level of women participation
in politics, a veritable solution to male dominated
patriarchal society.


Women’s participation and the political process in
Nigeria: Problems and prospects
http://www.academicjournals.org/ajpsir/pdf/pdf2010/February/Agbalajobi.pdf

coogar: there's gender equality in nigeria - i dunno the nigeria you are talking about...

western intervention? really?
oh lord - c.fours, you are so lost in the storm. so it was obama that installed that ndlea chic in the obasanjo administration? i believe you!

hahah no comment. sure there is gender equality in nigeria. whatever you say.

it's called candidate quotas.
http://www.wikigender.org/index.php/Women_in_African_Politics
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2012/sep/04/african-women-political-influence-cultural-change
http://www.idea.int/publications/quotas_africa/upload/IDEA_no3.qxd.pdf


without UN/IMF stipulations, trust me, the number of women you hear about or see in nigerian politics (or african politics in general) will be

coogar: in the same nigeria i know?
yoruba women are the primary caretakers? feminism is not for you, woman! try knitting!

it's a free world - you can live anyhow you want it....

of course - women are human beings.
not even a misogynist would dispute that and i have seen many women in nigeria holding political posts. men voted them in - not aliens!! so i don't really get your point with this comparison to scandinavians!

In nigeria, many yoruba women are primary caretakers. esp. among the lower classes. go to the markets you will see.
my point in the comparison to scandinavians is this:
in Nigeria, the price a woman pays for being free is to be single or a single mother.
whereas in scandinavian countries, a woman can be married and still have a husband who shares the same idea of gender equality. men will cook and even raise the kids unlike in nigeria where that is supposed to be a woman's job.
in nigeria, it's more likely to be a either/or situation rather than a balanced situation. although things are rapidly changing. thank God for that.

lol@ men voted them in. Most women in Nigerian political posts today are there because of western interventions and stipulations in exchange for foreign aid ex. millennium development goals etc. otherwise, you will still be hearing the quoted excuse "behind every successful man, there is a woman" for the reason why there are no women in politics. lol as if women aren't created to be successful themselves. does the quote "women first" ring a bell!? yeah. all these stupid chivalrous quotes do not hide any fact that women are relegated to subordinate positions. and they are somehow supposed to delude women into feeling important. hahaha

coogar: women suffer more coz they are the weaker sex -

and feminists have shown time and time again that women are not weak.
the fact that most of you guys are extremely intimidated and scared shitless of feminists is enough proof.
a woman or man is only weak to the extent that his/her potential is buried.

if you were raised by a single mom or an African american, those people will tell you point black that women definitely aren't weak. I've never met a weak african american woman.
yoruba women are strong too as I have said in my previous post (at least when looked at in the context of Nigeria).

coogar: yoruba men are lazier? hahahahahaha
c.fours, how much lower can you sink? civilisation started in lagos and spread throughout the south west. even the northerners who practise islam consider yoruba muslims as infidels. it's nothing to do with being lazy or not - an average yoruba man is just more exposed and more educated!

aribisala the rabid dog!
go and find a job - dangote needs drivers! ooops, you don't qualify, you didn't graduate!

OK. do you want a cookie? by lazier i'm talking about responsibility towards the family. many yoruba women are the primary caretakers of their home compared to other tribes. when you go to the markets you will see yoruba women and next to them are the igbo men. I think it is that way for a reason.
of course in some ways this is better than having a dicatator for a husband. ex.i'd rather be single caretaker for my family than live financially dependent under a tyrannical husband.

balance is usually the best. ex as they have in Scandinavian countries. where most men understand women to be equal human beings.

of course, men have always had the interest of women and children. only the blind would dispute that. from world war 1 to 2, men gave up their lives to fight for the freedom you and i enjoyed today. men were chosen forcefully to fight for their respective countries. failure to join the army in the 60s attracted a lengthy prison sentence - i have never heard of women being pounced on to fight senseless wars in the past till date!

have you considered for a second that maybe there wouldn't have been world war 1 or 2 if nations were headed by women rather than egotistical blood thirsty men?

when you look at civilian casualities you will realize that women and children suffer the burden of war to the greatest extent. you can see this all over Africa. liberia,rwanda etc. senseless wars they played no role in starting. innocent victims in essence.
the worst part is child soldiers. only in Africa are the men so ruthless as to actually enlist children!!

part of the reason yoruba women are freer is that we are more financially independent than other women. the men tend to be lazier or should I say less responsible (compared to other men) anyway and therefore the women have to step up to the plate to be the caretakers in the home and for their children etc.
with this financial independence (mostly entrepreneurial) comes social and political independence or at least I will say that they work hand in hand.

coogar: oh please.....
don't dodge my question - i will ask again......how's your own feminism different from kardashian's lipstick feminism?

i am enjoying this.....
so how do you balance your new found cause with marriage or relationships or are you a lesbian?

fela's mum was liked by men and women! she's a yoruba woman - yorubas don't generally shackle their women - yoruba people don't live by sharia laws!

the feminist ideas that I espouse resembles something more from the second wave.
kim kardashain is not a feminist (she has never claimed to be. I hope not). but if a woman sees her a a feminist role model, such a woman is probably a lipstick feminist.

yoruba women tend to be freer than other women in Nigeria I agree with that. I'm sure the men would apply sharia law if they could but they don't dare try it.
i'm not married and if I ever get married,of course I will prefer to marry a guy who shares the same ideas with me on female equality.

coogar: i have read several books on titanic, listened to the words of several survivors on that ship and they all said women and children got off before the ship sank!
.

pleep's argument was that we don't need feminism because men always lay down their lives for women and therefore men have the best interest of women at heart. he uses titanic to support this argument.
my argument is that titanic is a rare exception (due to a very principled captain) that was blown out of proportion by anti-feminists to argue against women suffrage. in reality, men DO NOT have women's best interest at heart and they do not put women and children first in sea accidents. I use a historical study that looked at MANY situations over decades in many countries to support my argument. overwhelmingly, men are more likely to survive in these situations and women are children more likely to perish.

I hope i've made myself clear.

@coogar,

Fela's mother was as feminist as they come. and no, she wasn't well liked by the men. especially the politicians but that didn't stop her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funmilayo_Ransome-Kuti
https://www.nairaland.com/564754/funmilayo-ransome-kuti-nigerias-wonder

wait.. i'm not saying i'm michelle obama. just that she is a role model where as someone like kim k should NOT be any girl's role model. no matter how well liked she is by men.

coogar: how are you different from kim kardashian?
seriously, how do you balance marriage with your feminism? i really need to know your type of feminism since you said there are variants. lipstick feminism, shoulderpad feminism and silicone feminism.....wonders shall never end!

how am I different from kim kardashian? is that a question?
look in this thread for my answer:

kim kardashian vs michelle obama
https://www.nairaland.com/1039765/kim-kardashian-michelle-obama

coogar: crikey me - you even attempted to deny your roots just to champion feminism?
it's the same everywhere but african women tend to be overzealous about it - you know what i mean? the blackberry syndrome!
hahahaha, you got jokes!
pleep was very balanced on this thread.....he even provided links and articles regarding what happened on the titanic. women and children were the first priority as far back as 1912 so what exactly are feminists all about?
do men not hold the door for women in the mall, do men not help women with their grocery bags? do men not open car doors for their partners before entering into the car? why are you people so twisted and bending the facts like men are the enemies?

the titanic story was used to propel a myth. there is no such thing as "women and children first" rule. I think anybody with a common sense will know this. esp women and children who have been through wars. they are always the main victims. each man for himself.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22119-sinking-the-titanic-women-and-children-first-myth.html

i'm talking about matter of life and death. opening the car doors for me does not make me blind to the knowledge of who owns the car. that's just stuff men use to delude or distract women. I'm sure Fela's mother who was the first to drive a car in Nigeria was probably not well liked by the men. their argument must have been "we hold the door open for you to enter the car. why do you want to drive one" hahahaha

click on pleeps's profile and read through his posts. you will be shocked

coogar: hehehehehehe
lip stick feminism? now i have seen it all!

if Kim Kardishian woke up tomorrow and started to call herself a feminist, she will fall under that category.
there are many "feminists" like that. ex. seeing prostitution as a form of feminism etc.
sex and the city cast is another example.
I think all these nonsense are just ploys to subvert the real feminist ideas.

coogar: bahahahahaha
c.fours - quit the herd mentality and take a hard look at yourself! you have no clue what feminism is all about. if you are caucasian, then i raise ma hands up for the oversight but a crusty-arsëd yoruba woman? nigga please - i have a better chance joining the kkk!

what do you mean by "crusty-arsed yoruba woman"?
I'm not a typical yoruba or nigerian woman mind you. most can't even tell i'm nigerian. not saying this to be proud but most nigerian women dfinitely wouldn't talk about feminism the way I do although I believe that there are many nigerian feminnists at heart. THey just have found that identity and learned to express it in a different way.
so yea the way I speak about it is more western but that's only because I live in the west and my knowledge of feminism is from a western point of view.
I don't know too much about feminist thought from an african point of view. if you have links or sources to point me to, kindly do so.

there are black people in the KKK too just so you know. pleep is a card carrying member. it's not as rare as you think.

Coogar,
what you are referring to is called "lipstick feminism" or "stiletto feminism" I am NOT one of those. definitely not. I think it's ridiculous and stupid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipstick_feminism

coogar: you could be handwashing your boyfriend's skid marks as we speak yet claiming to be sarah palin on nairaland.

coogar: that's my biggest peeve when some black arsë nigerians claim to be feminists!
the moment they watch "sex and the city" or "desperate housewives", they join the bandwagon of shyte and come online to rant about their latest discovery. arrant nonsense!

If Sarah Palin or "Sex and the City" cast are your idea of what you call feminists then I can only laugh. hahahahaha
you wish...

since when did desperate housewives become feminists?? you are clueless.

coogar: i don't expect it to make sense to you....you're a self-confessed feminist!

oh dear feminist - what's the problem this time? bunch of confused lunatics....you guys cannot accept that women cannot both be strong and independent while at the same time being the perpetual victim....which is which? are women strong or are they weak?

lol. I never called myself a victim. I don't see myself as a victim. Women are powerful and strong but some societies do not want them to rise to their full potential. see the difference?
Things are much better in the USA of course but you have to fight to keep you rights. If women gave up feminism, things will just gradually go back to the way it was in the past without us even noticing or realizing it. then we will turn around and say "hey wait, what happened" lol
we have to be on our guards

coogar: well - i got news for you: the modern feminist is a failure - you have not achieved anything!

your comment makes no sense. that's like saying modern civil rights movement is a failure. or modern christianity is a failure.
well yeah things are regressing in some aspects but that doesn't change someone's personal beliefs and convictions of how things ought to be.
Things have definitely gotten better in many aspects too.

you know you have failed an argument when you resort to posting gifs.

can someone plzz censor that that nauseatingly disgusting pic a few posts above. OMG I almost puked...
moderators!!!! where are you!!!??

@coogar, well, I'm feminist and proud of it.
of course it comes at a price of being demonized by misogynist pigs but I could care less. it is a worthwhile price to pay

pleep: There is nothing in this world more shameful than a black feminist, they are saddest most brainwashed people on the planet. The white feminists don't love them, their men dont love them, the world doesn't love them. The only people they have are their bastard children.
Die for your self bytch. What man in his right mind would give his life for a feminist slut like you?

put a kettle of water on the stove, pour some of the boiling hot water in a beige ceramic cup, insert a fresh bag of chamomile tea in the cup and recline with your refreshment on a sofa. relax. for the sake of the poor people around you. urgh
anger issues aren't pretty.