nopuqeater:

And Surah 3/46 says "One of the Righteous" I hope you know that One of the, implies that there are many "Righteous entities"? What a poor scholar cgift is!

This got me seriously cracking   You know the summary :

1. Jesus was declared righteous (both the Quran and The Holy Bible confirms it right?). Mohammad  on the other hand was never declared righteous. In fact, he was asked to ask for forgiveness of his past, present and future sins  
2. Mohammad is rotten in the grave, Jesus Christ, died, and rose again
3. Muslims are supposed to be interceding for their own prophet, Jesus Christ is the One nterceding for us! Remarkable difference
4. The divine nature of Jesus was corroborated even by the quran! No man was involved in his conception, so, from birth, he did not carry the original sin. Neither did He commit any sin in all of the years he spent on earth. Mohammad had all the sins, both original and the fake   His sins are numerous that the Hadiths say he asked for forgiveness of sins 70 times a day and even went ahead to ask for forgiveness of future sins!
5. Mohammad will never aspire to the kind of honour that even the quran ascribed to Jesus!
6. Jesus ordered the death of no one but instead died in place of the guilty.   Mohammad ordered the death of many men and women
7. Jesus is mentioned in the Quran 97 times. Mohammed is mentioned in the Quran 25 times!! Even in the book he wrote himself, he was a nobody
8. Old Testament predicts His (Jesus's)  2nd coming in more Scriptures than his first. Mohammed had only self fulfilling prophecy, nothing in the Old Testament predicted his coming.
9. Miracles and healing’s were given freely, Jesus healed all kinds of diseases. Mohammad, did no miracles of healing or delivering people from demons. In fact, he himself was possed and frequently had convulsions  
10. Jesus was never married   but Mo? Lord have mercy   was married to about 22 women one of which was only 9 years old at the time.  He set the pace for paedophilia. BTW, you have not told us why he restriced you people to only 4 ? Only hypocrites and selfish people do that
11. Jesus lived a sinless life, never once prayed for forgiveness like other sinners, he forgave others but Mo? Prayed often for forgiveness of his sins.

Let me stop here.

I can go and on. Jesus remains the Way. He is alive!!! Please come show me Mohammad's tomb, let me go and visit him and pay my last respect. at least a flower would do.  

I hope you have sent your prayers to Allah on Mohammed's behalf today ?

On the main topic on whether Jesus is God or not, even if i open your cranial cavity, you will never understand it. Its not meant for you at the stage  you are in right now. You will need a mind renewal to understand. So there is no need, but meanwhile, let me enjoy the comparisons between the founder of your religion and the Founder of Life itself.  

Let me harp on the saient point of Sura 3: 46

[3:46] "He will speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult; he will be one of the righteous."

Obviously this was referring to Christ abi ? At least Jesus was declared righteous. Now where in the Quran was Mohammad declared as such ?  

When i do pray for muhammad (AS), and request that Allah give him the honor of intercession, Maqam Mamuda, on the day of Judgement (from Surah Maryam and Surah Ahzab) it is for my own good and benefit.

Sorry, I dont need to pray for Jesus.  . You are interceding for the one who came to show the the way   , the blind leading the blind ? .A sinner praying for another sinner   A whole lot of commedy going on here  

Romans 8:34 , It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, , who also maketh intercession for us.

Christ intercedes for us. Who intercedes for you ? You are the one interceding for Mohammad and you dear say Jesus is not Superior. Well, how can someone who is dead that you are sending goodwill messages to in the grave even intercede for you anyway ?

You do not know the condition of jesus you never have seen. according to your bible, he died. that simply made him a human being,

But according to your quran, he rose again  

[Sura 19:33] And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."

Does that still make him an ordinary human ?   Keep fooling yourself,  

51    الحق    Al-Haqq    The Truth, The Real    6:62, 22:6, 23:116, 24:25

Jesus says in John 14:6

Jesus saith [/b]unto him, I am the way, [b]The truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus says He is The Truth, and Allah says according to your post above that he is also called the Truth! So, Jesus is your God.  

4    القدوس    Al-Quddus    The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect    59:23, 62:1
28    الحكم    Al-Hakam    The Judge, The Arbitrator    22:69

Jesus The Judge:  John 9:39 “For judgment I have come into this world”.  

Jesus says He is your judge. Mohammad never said that

Jesus is called the Holy and Righteous One - Acts 3:14 (at least as stated above, the Suras declares Jesus as righteous)

Isaia. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And He said Himself in the book of John 14: 27 Peace [/b]I leave with you, [b]my peace [/b]I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

My Peace he said, where is Mohammad's peace ? in the grave  

JESUS IS GOD!! HE IS YOUR GOD, EVEN YOUR QURAN DECLARES IT SO!!! You have falsely ascribed to Allah the names you should ascribe to Jesus.  

More importantly,

49    الباعث    Al-Bā'ith    The Resurrecter    22:7

Jesus is the Resurrecter!! He said, he will raise us up on the last day if you believe in Him. Allah claims his name is the Resurrecter!! Hmmm. Coincidence…No controversy, Jesus is your God? ( ) Don’t deny Him his Lordship.

John 6: 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: [b]and I will raise him up at the last day  . These are Jesus's words not Paul's  

Jesus is the sweetest name i know, He is alwasy just the same oh raise hHis Holy name, that is the reason why I love Him so, JEsus is the sweetest name i know (sing sing sing , la la la)  

In The Name of Jesus ,

nopuqeater, my friend,

Just like the quran is so boring and uninspiring, so are your rejoinders to my posts. It is only a sense of duty such as writing an exam that can make someone read the quran due to its disjointed nature and lack of logic and sequencing. No logical and chronological order at all and mixes up times and seasons e.g. by placing Nimrod and Abraham in the same generation and so many other blunders. It is that same sense of suty that will only motivate me to respond to your lacklustre posts because they are so uninspiring and boring that I most times get lost in your trying to defend the indefensible. Let me extract some few areas in your posts and respond breifly.

nopuqeater:

@cgift: « #250 on: Today at 11:35:13 AM »Am a father of children. are you a father of any child? Yet am called by people who loved me dad. if one of them says am his father, did i sire him? Now this solve the problem that confound you about Jesus and then Allah the Almighty canceled adoption. is my step son my son? no. Is a son who is adopted my son? Can he marry his own blood sister just because they were not raised in the same household? Should he now not be able to marry my daughter, yet marry his own blood sister, because my daughter is his artificial sister, and his blood sister is raised in different household? you are a filthy person if you say he can marry his sister and my daughter he cant, for he must choose a wife from the two. You see the reality of Allah is different from your artificial god and all its impositions? And when the guy has a disease that is not from his adoptive family, who do they go to, except his real blood family? this is to let you know that lies of adoption does not wash. Allah says of Muhammad, "he is not the father of any of you men." another about adoption "call them by their father's name". And zayd (ra) was called by his blood father's name. Dont you bear your blood father's name, or are you a son of the adopted father? i hope you will not marry your own blood sister in order to proof a point.

So much irrelevance. But let me harp on the saient point of Sura 3: 46

[3:46] "He will speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult; he will be one of the righteous."

Obviously this was referring to Christ abi ? At least Jesus was declared righteous. Now where in the Quran was Mohammad declared as such ?  

When i do pray for muhammad (AS), and request that Allah give him the honor of intercession, Maqam Mamuda, on the day of Judgement (from Surah Maryam and Surah Ahzab) it is for my own good and benefit.

Sorry, I dont need to pray for Jesus.  . You are interceding for the one who came to show the the way   , the blind leading the blind ? .A sinner praying for another sinner   A whole lot of commedy going on here  

Romans 8:34 , It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, , who also maketh intercession for us.

Christ intercedes for us. Who intercedes for you ? You are the one interceding for Mohammad and you dear say Jesus is not Superior. Well, how can someone who is dead that you are sending goodwill messages to in the grave even intercede for you anyway ?

You do not know the condition of jesus you never have seen. according to your bible, he died. that simply made him a human being,

But according to your quran, he rose again  

[Sura 19:33] And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected."

Does that still make him an ordinary human ?   Keep fooling yourself,

51    الحق    Al-Haqq    The Truth, The Real    6:62, 22:6, 23:116, 24:25

Jesus says in John 14:6

Jesus saith [/b]unto him, I am the way, [b]The truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus says He is The Truth, and Allah says according to your post above that he is also called the Truth! So, Jesus is your God.  

4    القدوس    Al-Quddus    The Holy, The Pure, The Perfect    59:23, 62:1
28    الحكم    Al-Hakam    The Judge, The Arbitrator    22:69

Jesus The Judge:  John 9:39 “For judgment I have come into this world”.  

Jesus says He is your judge. Mohammad never said that

Jesus is called the Holy and Righteous One - Acts 3:14 (at least as stated above, the Suras declares Jesus as righteous)

Isaia. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And He said Himself in the book of John 14: 27 [b]Peace [/b]I leave with you, [b]my peace [/b]I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

My Peace he said, where is Mohammad's peace ? in the grave  

JESUS IS GOD!! HE IS YOUR GOD, EVEN YOUR QURAN DECLARES IT SO!!! You have falsely ascribed to Allah the names you should ascribe to Jesus.  

I wont waste anymore time on you. This case is settled. Jesus is your God.

nopuqeater:

He was not pronounced a sinner. [/b]When Allah says pray for your sins, even of the future I wil forgive them, [b]it does not mean you have sinned and already in the future, but being guaranteed that if when future arrives and if you commit any sin[s], your condition will be as if you never have committed any.

What a duo of imperfection! Both Allah and Mohammad! If Allah could tell Mohammad to pray for his future sins little wonder why there is no righteousness of the heart for you muslims. You concept of righteouness is flawed. If i can pray for my future sins that i have not committed and expect that when i commit them, it will be as if the sin never took place! Little wonder he went ahead to snatch his adopted son's wife !! Broke peace treaties, removed people's eyes, cut off limbs, plundered goods, despoiled women!! Sinful Mohammad! Or how much more filthy can a man be ? No wonder also he had to ask for forgiveness for sin more than seventy times a day. (Bukhari vol. I, nos. 711; 78; vol. V, no. 724.

JESUS WAS SINLESS (Sura 3:46)!!!!! Don’t ever compare my Saviour to your directionless Mohammad. The latter never had hope.

This is the meaning and Muhammad in Surah Ta Ha was thankful that he was forgiven already the sins he had not committed. [b]Jesus also said forgive us our sins, [/b]inclusive of himself in the Bible's Lord's prayer. Will a true Lord be Praying to any Lord, the reason we never heard Yahweh or Jehovah or Eloi making prayers.

You cheat. 

The whole world can clearly see your duplicity.  The disciples asked to be taught how to pray and he gave them a format. Now you are reading that he was referring to himself. I shake my head in pity for your deranged logic. The qu’ran is obviously not helping your intelligence – it obviously makes you grow duller.

nopuqeater:


Even though I couldnt find it, I think Moses will have a serious explanation to make, like Muhammad. Interestingly, while Yahweh wanted to terminate His Messenger Moses for his disobedience [sin], nothing like that was found in Quran or hadith on Muhammad (AS).

I wont waste my time discussing Moses with you. Thats some diversionary tactics. It wont work with me. The topic remains Jesus. Jesus never felt any guilt of sin. Mohammad had all. Your leader had too much sins and confusion within himself to contend with. He almost committed suicide but no thanks to his wife (was it the fifth one ?) He had 22 wives and turns back to restrict you people to only four (4). Only a hypocrite does that. 

The whole arguments of the muslims is that Jesus of the Bible, regardless of your beautification of him, was a creation, a messenger, a human being.

I repeat, Mohammad called [b]Jesus the Messiah [/b]right there in your Quran. Want me to quote the verse again ?

And before the birth of jesus, Yahweh did not exist? Jehovah did not exist? Eloi did not exist?

oh yeah! Allah existed with his three daughters that Mohammad asked you to worship and later changed his mind ! Allah was consfused  at that point right ? What you call Satanic verses - Mohammed got inspired by Satan!!
Allah had three daughters named Lat, ‘Uzza, and Manat. At one time the "prophet of Allah" compromised and said in the Qur’an (Sura 53:19) that "their intercession was to be hoped for." In other words, he said we should hope for the help of these three idols.
Mohammed’s followers must have been amazed that he said this. Later, Mohammed changed his mind and said Satan deceived him. Since a mistake was made, these verses were "abrogated" or taken out. These are often called "the Satanic verses." It is interesting to read how Allah could have what are called "abrogated verses" in Suras 13:39; 16:101; vol.2:106. Sura 41:37 mentions with disapproval sun and moon worshippers.
JESUS WAS AND IS PERFECT!!

while you make your claims, here are the realities; Muhammad confronted the Jews, about the stoning of adultery people. They wanted to hide it in there book, after over 600 years that you said Jesus did away with it, though he said not the least of the jots should be disregarded. Muhammad caught them in a lie. Muhamad caught you in a lie too, mr. christian by telling you that Jesus and his mother were mere mortals, needy, eating drinking, for example and God Who is Perfect cant produce imperfection. Afterall Jesus had no full knowledge, and you were asked what purpose shall God need a son for. We are stil waiting for answer, since God can forgive at will, and you said He did away acceptance of anmal blood, why would God gravitate fot human blood, instead?

Te answer is complete with Allah. Hence as human, I see that Torah came before Gospel. Why was Gospel later after the many miracles from Moses, alone? So that Jesus who completed the chain of prophethood on the children of Israel may come. Why Bible as a whole before Quran? So that the earlier texts may have remnant of truth even after all the addition, subtraction, changing words from their places, may be supported by Quran. Why do we still have "Jesus, Your servant,  who You sent", in the Bible if jesus was God, except that such truths will agree with Quran, and can clearly be sieved away from the lies that permiates it.

So much rubbish that you just make me yawn 

I have given you explanaton from Islamic perspective. Now lets look at the christian argument which yo present; Cant Yahweh, or Jehovah or Eloi Who sent jesus his servant safeguard the Bible, the document He wished to be the only word from Him? Why all the many versions, without 2 versions being exactly the same? Why cant He make up His mind about Jesus who says he is His servant sent by Him, while you say Jesus is that Eloi, or Jehova or Yahweh? These are your problems, since Alah has confirmed that He will only safeguard the Quran and no other book, allowing them to be corrupted is not surprising to me.

Good. Allah allowed the bible to be corrupted abi ? And yet Mohammad referred you to the same bible to validate what he was saying!  See your tail in between your legs as you run 

Lets assume [/b]that Muhammad was intending to kill himself because he didnt know what spirit was driving him at the beginning of his mission, [b]this is your view.

You are a fraud! And its good you are plaing to the gallery. My view ? This is simply what the qu'ran says sir. Not my view sir. Did he contemplate suicide or not ? Can’t you just say things as they are ?

comitting a slave to the hand of a servant is pure idolatry,

You have no hope. Come to One Who was, Who is and Who is to come. Mohammad will be judged like you will be judged.

Jesus remains alive but your Mohammad is dead and rotten in the grave. That is so much joy to me in addition to the accolades the qu'ran gives to him (Jesus). Mohammad can only wish he had those accolades even in his next life  .
Jesus is Lord!! (Note- i did not need to say "May Peace Be Unto Him" as you would to Mohammad because Jesus is the Prince of Peace). Keep praying for Mohammad okay.)

JESUS IS ALIVE!!! This makes my heart rejoice.

nopuqeater:

I do not respect you.

You need not respect me.Just give due respect to your Quran that says you should validate it with the Bible.

[/quote][quote]

vedaxcool:

Jesus is alive and not waiting for anyone to wake Him up! Smiley How does that sound ? Cool and more assured right ? Compare that to the uncertainty surrounding Mohammed's rising from the grave (I hope he does) :

Hello dear. I missed you over the weekend. You know the son of God must also work with his hands and not lay in wait for innocent people or plunder their goods in order to make a living - you know what i mean

For all I care, Mohammad is yet to wake up. I am sure he is still receiving punishment from the grave. You know he prayed to allah to deliver him from the punishment of the grave - dnt ask me the verse in teh Quran else, i will know i am dealing with an Olodo

[Sura 4:171] O people of the scripture, do not transgress the limits of your religion, and do not say about GOD except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was a messenger of GOD, and His word [/b]that He had sent to Mary, and a revelation from Him.

You see Mohammad even called Jesus the Messiah in his inordinate desire to discredit the mystery of the relationship of God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Again, [b]Mohammad, said Jesus is the [size=13pt]MESSIAH[/size] He even called Jesus the Word of God sent to Mary.

What more can you guys take ? A word is enough for the wise.

(recall he was pronounced a sinner by Allah and he himself agreed) where pls instead of this ranting.

Tell me you are joking in asking for this verse. I thought you have the quran to youself ? Ok, see it:


The Hadith makes clear that Muhammad was a sinner--NOT sinless as some Muslims now claim:

"Muhammad replied, "O Allah, set me apart from my sins, "

While the Bible says Jesus was sinless, here is what the Qur’an and Bukhari Hadith say about Mohammed. In 48:1-2 Allah tells Mohammed to ask forgiveness for his sins. Sahih Muslim vol.1 book 4 ch.268 no.1695 p.373 says Mohammed prayed, "I wronged myself and make a confession of my sin. Forgive all my sins,…" Bukhari vol.1 book 2 ch.13 no.19 p.23, vol.1.12.57 no.781 p.434; vol.6 .60.3 no.3 p.4; vol.8.75.3 no.319 p.213, and vol.8.75.62 prior to no.407 p.271 prior also mention Mohammed’s sins. [/b]Specific things mentioned in the Bukhari vol.1.4.70 no.234 p.147-148; Bukhari vol.8.82.1 no.794,795 p.520 [b]are amputating people’s arms and legs, burning out their eyes, and making them thirst as they died after their limbs were cut off. See Bukhari vol.8.82.3 no.796, ch.4 p.797; Bukhari vol.6 ch.150 prior to no.198 p.158-159, as well as Fiqh us-Sunnah vol.1 p.133.

You would probably agree these are serious sins. Since Mohammed did this, he needed forgiveness very badly.

Do you want me to reel this for you in Arabic

One more:

Verily, Jesus is as Adam in the sight of God. He created him of dust: He then said to him, "Be" - and he was. Quran 3:59. A further confirmation right from your qu'ran that Jesus is the word of God . Your book invalidates you and exposes you as being mischievous and canny and unwise. These words are strong but they describe the hogwash you have been peddling here all the while.

Pimpu:

allah is great

Dont fool yourself. There is nothing great about allah. Do you know allah exsited before the birth of Mohammed ? Dont tell me you want facts. . I will spoil you with more than enough. But for you, just relish, and revel your deliberate ignorance okay.

In all of this, i am delighted to remind you that your prophet called my Lord, The Messiah right there in the qu'ran and your qu'ran confirms that my Lord lives while your own servant master or master servant is dead unassured of where he was going after suffering from the punishment of the grave.

To my silent brethren, those who have been reading from the sidelines. The truth is clear. it speaks for itself, it does not contradict. Even enemies, when trying to kill the truth, unknowingly, aid it. And this is what the Quran has done to the Bible. I cannot exhaust the genuiness and the reliability that the qu'ran confers on the bible. It is not vice-versa. The Bible remains independent of any other source. If the qu'ran came to complete the scriptures as it claims and Mohammed severally, in the qu'ran confirms that his listeners should consult the Christians and Jews (the people of the book) to confirm what he was saying, what other evidence do you need to know that Mohammed was just a fraud and always behind himself ?

They tell you that the Bible is corrupt, you ask them why did Allah allow the Bible to be corrput, they have no answer, you ask them ok, since you say the bible is corrupt, have you kept an original manuscript that we can use to compare present Bibles to "this original", they cannot oblige you. On what basis then do they claim the Bible is corrupt ? Or does it mean, "Allah" could not safeguard the bible, his book that the qu'ran was supposed to come and complement ? If allah could not do that, then allah is either a fraud or grossly incompetent to be called the Almighty God.

Or what do you say of a man who could not substantiate his call and gave us four different versions of his call ? Lunatic or what ? if you say you were called by some god, and you give us for very contradicting narrations of your call in one Quran! The writers of the quran did a shoddy job or at best, Mohammed was just perpetually under a spell that prevented him from thinking straight and maintaining an acceptable degree of sanity -little wonder he tried to kill himself at some point when he was not sure of the spirit controlling him.

Once again, let Christians be, there is nothing intellectual in the quran hence i wqould have asked for an intellectual discourse. There si absolutely nothing to cheer about because the qu'ran stands logic on its head. I have never seen a so-called "Holy or Sacred Book" always at loggerheads with itself.

JESUS IS ALLIVE!!! Mohammed is Dead.

I commit you to the loving hands of Jesus.

Bringing this back to the fore.

Back to the issue of Superiority; from the Quran we gather the following:

   * Allah has preferred some messengers above others.
   * David and Solomon are some of those messengers that Allah has chosen above the rest.
   * David is Jesus’ ancestor.
   * Allah has chosen Imran’s family above all creatures.
   * Imran is said to be Mary’s father, Jesus’ grandfather.
   * Allah has chosen Jesus’ mother Mary above all women.
   * Jesus is the only person explicitly said to be honored in the next world.
   * Jesus is given specific attributes and titles that are not given to any other messenger.

What this all means is that it is NOT[/b]Muhammad that is the most exalted creature of all according to the Quran. Rather, Jesus is the one messenger, the one person, whom Allah has preferred and exalted above all the others. Allah has conferred upon Christ and his family an honor that has not been given to anyone else.

Do you dispute the above or you want me to bring verses form your Quran to support them ? Now, you show me one very [b]explicit [/b]verse where it ever mentioned that Mohammed (recall he was pronounced a sinner by Allah and he himself agreed) enjoys the same honour that Jesus enjoys.

[b]JESUS IS ALIVE!! Mohammed is DEAD!!!!

vedaxcool:


017.079
YUSUFALI: And pray in the small watches of the morning: (it would be) an additional prayer (or spiritual profit) for thee: soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory!

[17:79] During the night, you shall meditate for extra credit, that your Lord may raise you to an honorable rank.


I wonder when does raise you to an honorable rank become the same as salat, Ina Azumi, you understanding of the verse appears faulty, as you can see above I have quoted the verse from Yusuf Ali translation, which also give the same interpretation as Taking him to the highest rank.

My good Lord Jesus!!! You wont cease to maze me will you ? Ok, you have resorted to giving your own meaning to the Quran. Even at that, it says " soon will thy Lord raise thee to a Station of Praise and Glory!" - lifting directly from your own quotes. This explicitly (not implicit) means that Mohammed is still in the grave!! He is yet to be lifted to that so called station. Please face facts and state them as they are, Mohammed is still in the grave still waiting when Allah will raise him to the so-called station of Praise and Glory (whatever that means anyway)! Lucidly, Mohammed was just very ignorant of where he was going - he was either just clueless of what it means or the writers and translators of the Quran did a shoddy job.Let me recap - Mohammed is still in the grave - he is waiting for when Allah will raise him up to that dream station!! OMG!! Some guys wont stop deluding themselves.

Sequel to the above therefore, how does that translate to his being higher or better or more superior to Jesus ? Jesus is alive and not waiting for anyone to wake Him up! How does that sound ? Cool and more assured right ? Compare that to the uncertainty surrounding Mohammed's rising from the grave (I hope he does) :

color=#000099]The above is the full text of the verse you were trying to twist which is well in line with the morbid nature of your Prophet anyway. It is explicitly talking about prayers you offer at Noon and at Night. That portion of verse 79 relates directly to Tahajjud prayers and from a close scrutiny does not even suggest anything near what you have read into it. Are you re-writing the Quran? Where did the Quran mention the paradise not to talk of the highest point ? OMG!!![/color]

That is the interpretation(are additions from the translator, even bible tranlsator do the same thing) of the verse from hadiths and Islamic scholars, Man-god worshiper. Desist from worshiping GOD's Messenger as Jesus said I by myself can do nothing, hence he depended on my God blessing's to perform all the works he did, ask ALLAH all that you need he will give you instead of behaving like Ifa and shango worshipers who have to go through a second route to get what they want from Olodumare.

Your statement (in bold) exposes abysmal weakness and jaded reasoning - stop whining please.

Prophet MUHAMMAD S.A.W, was very humble and did not engage in fruitless boastings' as you expect from him rather, He behaved very down to earth and respectful to others, He even extended his forgiveness to the pagans of Mecca after overcoming them, in fact the Meccans expected him to forgive them with out asking, so he is not like you who assumes Prophet came to the world to boast about their status, in fact he did all he could to help the needy, once it was reported that a woman(with mental issues) drew the Prophet to come and clean her house, and the prophet followed her without any hesitation, YA ALLAH HE IS INDEED A MERCY UNTO THIS WORLD, ALLAHU AKBAR, this is what people like you who are too pompous can never do, The prophet was satisfied living with the knowledge that his close door neighborhours think good about him, the extent of his Humility will surprise the pompous and arrogance. He was indeed a MERCY TO ALL THE WORLD.

Please dont choke me. That "humble" path got me cracking. Ok, let me help you, (I'm being sacarstic now) I guess it was his "humble " that made him to leave such a yawning gap as to who he was, what his fate was in the afterlife ; his "humble" made him call humans pigs right, his "humble" got him to snatch the wife of another man; his "humble" directed him to nearly commit suicide when he was no sure of the kind of spirit in him; his "humble" made him allow some satanic verses into the quran only for him to later abrogate them even after initially allowing people to worship the three daughters of Allah ? I seem to be going too far. Pardon me.

Mohammed was not humble, he was just being duplicitous. There is no mark of humility in any one who could not keep to his words by breaking the rules of a treaty that was supposed to last for 10 years. Please in the name of your Al-Ilah, Al-Uzah, or Al-whatever, dont ever ascribe that word to Mohammed again. You defile that word and make it loose its sanctity by associating that virtue that Jesus had to the fulelst to Mohammed.

You all claim that God can do all thing but doubt the fact that he can appear in the  nature of Man to redeem man from the doom of death.
i believe your premise is such an irony[/color]

YES how ironical, if satan were to ask GOD make me more powerful than you are will GOD do that?, I guess NO, yet he can do anything, but would not stoop down to the level of Human beings to engage in actions that are not worthy of his LORDSHIP, According to your reasoning when your god claimed he did not know when the day of Judgment is, was he lying or genuinely telling the truth, if he was telling the truth in will only mean he is not GOD because GOD knows all things and GOD bestows Knowledge on mankind.

Permit me to allow this pass. there is no stuff there.

My advice: Dont bite more than you can chew but who knows, you might want to regurgitate.

maclatunji:

Professor don vex, here is another question, If you agree that God can have a Son as Christians claim, how come he only stopped at one? Your believe system is no better than Greek mythology in this regard.

This discussion is multi-faceted. Apart from the fact that Allah is different from the Almighty God, i will indulge you guys by assuming (only for the purpose of this present discussion) that Muslim's Allah = Christain God.

Now, maclatunji, i will ask you, do you believe that God can do all things except lie? If the answer is yes, I will ask again - Why do you have a problem believing that He can reproduce and transform His replicant into a human form and call Him a Son ?

maclatunji:

Please answer this question sincerely, when you pray what image do you visualize (Let me guess, a white man with a white beard is what you visualize as God). Think are you white? and yet you are supposed to be 'created in his image.'

Can you tell us where you folks got the Picture of Jesus that you place in your homes and churches from? When there were no photos then, not even paintings (Romans made busts of themselves not paintings) and Jesus was their contemporary, how come we do not have photos or paintings of Caesar of the 'give to ceasar that which is Caeser's fame'?

Fine. I dont visualise any human figure when I am praying to God. God cannot be constructed into any image by our small mind. However, to help you, when the Bible talks of we being created in the image of God, it does not mean physical resemblance in colour, shape, or what have you, but of some other more important things that I will easily support with biblical verses. The Bible does not leave any ambiguity on critical issues. Do you care to know the meaning ?

May be we should go back to the main topic under discourse: Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God . i seem to be derailing this thread

funny thing You spoke of Jesus genealogy, last time I checked it was one of the big headaches of christianity where one man has Two fathers at the same time,

Runawy soldier. That is another area where i will expose your intentional ignorance.

Back to the issue of Superiority; from the Quran we gather the following:

   * Allah has preferred some messengers above others.
   * David and Solomon are some of those messengers that Allah has chosen above the rest.
   * David is Jesus’ ancestor.
   * Allah has chosen Imran’s family above all creatures.
   * Imran is said to be Mary’s father, Jesus’ grandfather.
   * Allah has chosen Jesus’ mother Mary above all women.
   * Jesus is the only person explicitly said to be honored in the next world.
   * Jesus is given specific attributes and titles that are not given to any other messenger.

What this all means is that it is NOT[/b]Muhammad that is the most exalted creature of all according to the Quran. Rather, Jesus is the one messenger, the one person, whom Allah has preferred and exalted above all the others. Allah has conferred upon Christ and his family an honor that has not been given to anyone else.

Do you dispute the above or you want me to bring verses form your Quran to support them ? Now, you show me one very [b]explicit [/b]verse where it ever mentioned that Mohammed (recall he was pronounced a sinner by Allah and he himself agreed) enjoys the same honour that Jesus enjoys.

[b]JESUS IS ALIVE!! Mohammed is DEAD!!!!

vedaxcool:

And some part of the night offer Tahajjud (Salah), an additional Prayer for you. Soon, your Lord will raise you to a Station of Praise (the highest position in Paradise). (17:79)

I am almost purging from the casuistry and illogical reasoning you are putting up here. I can now see the low levels of the person i am dealing with. You are extremely mischievous and intentionally bent on misrepresenting the truth. Why are you like this ?

Sura [17:78] You shall observe the Contact Prayer (Salat) when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting) the Quran at dawn is witnessed. [17:79] During the night, you shall meditate for extra credit, that your Lord may raise you to an honorable rank.

The above is the full text of the verse you were trying to twist which is well in line with the morbid nature of your Prophet anyway. It is explicitly talking about prayers you offer at Noon and at Night. That portion of verse 79 relates directly to Tahajjud prayers and from a close scrutiny does not even suggest anything near what you have read into it. Are you re-writing the Quran? Where did the Quran mention the paradise not to talk of the highest point ? OMG!!!

And We have sent you(Muhammad) not except as a mercy for all the worlds. (21:107) God didn't give neither David(A.s) nor Jesus (A.s) this kind of exultation or mission.

Again, was the portion in blue written in the Quran ? Why are you giving your own notes and interpretation to the Quran ? Is that not an offence in itself ?

Now can you point were it says David is most exalted and funny enough it says " to some Prophets(Meaning more than one)" and goes on to site the example of David.

And where did it mention Mohammed please ? Why are you using mathematical induction  to explain the Quran ? From all certainty, Mohammed was never sure of his lot and place and could not have summoned the courage to ever say he was more superior. He dared not.

Just as you mere Mortals have made Jesus your god, a god that was did not know when of the day of judgmental is, god indeed, and like I sited in my response earlier I worship God, the ONE, The master of Jesus whom Jesus said sent him to carry My GOD's will, You have decided to worship his Messenger and called him Your LORD--Pity---- Haven't you settled for less

This is not inspiring. Let me confine it to the dustbin where it belongs.

JESUS IS ALIVE !!! MOHAMMED IS DEAD!!!! Prove me wrong!!! I go with the one who is living rather than have my place with the dead.[quote][/quote]

vedaxcool:

In the qur'an Muhammad is by far exalted than Jesus,

I challenge [/b]you to give me the reference in the Quran that substantiates the claim you have given above and i will tear you into pieces. Let me give you a tip right from your Quran: when the Quran mentions that Allah has preferred some apostles above certain others it specifically mentions Jesus and David:

[b]    Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God Fulfilleth His plan. S. 2:253 Y. Ali

And it is your Lord that knoweth best all beings that are in the heavens and on earth: We did bestow on some prophets more (and other) gifts than on others: and We gave to David (the gift of) the Psalms. S. 17:55 Y. Ali . Now if Allah, preferred David more than other servants, and It is established that Jesus Christ is from the lineage of David, so how on your imaginary earth is Mohammed more noble than Jesus?

From the above you see clearly that David had more honour than any other and more importantly, NO WHERE is it mentioned that Mohammed had more honour than those he himself is said to have mentioned

vedaxcool:

and recently a lot of people including Christians have rated prophet Muhammad S.A.W to be the most influential man to have walked the earth.

This is laughable - the testimony of mere mortals is what you are using to substantiate the claim to Mohammed's legitimacy! Talking about a hanging on to a weak straw. This is just too feeble and alarming to say the least!

Remember JESUS IS STILL ALIVE -Mohammed is DEAD!!! What about that ?

You know what, there is no point trying to prove anything to you. Like I said in my earlier posts, Jesus Christ remains supreme to Mohummad. I will rather go with the greater and better one than stay with mediocrity. We dont belong in the same class or genre anyway you want to look at it. Mohammed is dead but Jesus is alive - you can't dispute it. Hence, the Quaran's assertion that He is coming back. So, why settle for less ?

Don't attempt to denigrate Jesus cos you will running foul of Mohammad's injunctions not to denigrate the "Prophet of God".

I repeat, i wont settle for less when I can see there is the better.

Please let us be.

chakula:

Dude which Lord do mean the Eloi, Yehweh, Jehovah or Jesus?all what i can learn or understand by Christians they are Worshipping three different Entities as a one thing, what a pitiful.

Your comm. skills beat me. One could have migraine trying to understand your point. I have a solution for you anyway, get the Bible, if not for anything, for the mastery of words and explicit construction of sentences and logical sequencing. It will surely improve your vocabs. I am sure your Qoran wont give you that. You have been reading the Bible for all the wrong reasons. The right reasons stare you in the face but you ignore them.

Takia.

Italo and aletheia,

I greet you in the name of the Lord. . What can we do but pray for our lost brothers, There is no comparing His love and saving grace. God bless you all for your "missionary" work.

vedaxcool:

"Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king. (Matthew, 2:1)

"Jesus was a carpenter by trade." (Mark, 6:3),

"and the son of a carpenter." (Matthew, 13:55) Now I know God is not a carpenter.

Interesting thread ain't it ? Pimpu et al, the more you look the less you see. That is the nature of the divinity of the GodHead. You can't analyse and constrict Jesus Christ, the Mighty God into your cranium. Don't even attempt it cos you might explode . But I wonder why it does bite you that Christains are contented with the mystery of Godliness. We ain't forcing anything down your throat are we ? Just let us be since from all ramifications, the One we serve is in way in the class of your Prophet and Allah. Jesus Christ is by all means superior to any deity you are fronting for and that is incontestible. We dont have issues at all cos our God is bigger than your mind can conceive. We dont struggle to defend him. Call Jesus whatever you like, call him weary, call him anything, it does not diminish him. it does not get us angry, it does not turn us into belligerent people, cos, like Paul, when He knows its time to arrest you, nothing can stop Him, but then, i only hope, you will come back here anr share with us, the powerful testimony of your conversion. i have seen that happen countless times. You can't beat the power of Jesus to save.

I wish you all the best.

Peace.

Jewish_gal:

Why do Xtian hate us, will their carpenter (JESUS) came from us. Am glad they killed that Son of a bit, ch on cross, we cant he save his from death, what an backside--hole coming back to say he die for them what a wonderful fairy tale

Hello Jewish_gal, i bet you will still come to the saving knowledge of the sweet Lord Jesus. Your tantrums are still elementary. You still have room for improvement. i guess you dont expect Christians to start whining and crying cos you "abused" Jesus? Of course not! Paul did worse, hence my saying you can still improve further; vent and indulge yourself to the fullest. When the fullness of time comes, what will be will be, you will still be the same one saying good morning Jesus.

Enjoy the rest of your day

heartsick:

@ cgift, is he not she.

av not seen him for years 'cos he's out of d country but  to me i met him on FB abt some days ago. what should I do?

Have you ever told your Mother ? i am sure even on FB he would still be making passes at you or is he pretending to be sober

Uchesuper:

What if the small cars and buses beneath the larger ones decides to take a particular turn not being aware that the big bus has passed their turning points? To me it has more disadvantages than advantages. It will also mean that humans can walk beneath the buses as well, hence higher mortality rate

Cars will not perpetually be on under it now. you will not always move at the speed of the Big bus and vice versa. i want to believe they will have everything figured out. Humans are unstoppable when they set their minds at things. this one will work, all they need do is a perfect feasibility study and put all measures in place. sefini,

Mobinga:

^^ You must be living a very dull and uneventful life

wanna fill @bgee in on it ? im sure he will like it. open hin eye

heartsick:

I can never forget the day I was sexually abused by a close friend of my mother at age of 15. so

dis one tire me small. Clsoe friend of your mother ? you still dey see the woman ?

Parnassuss:

@Okija, i hope to God, and I'll put this in prayers that you have a close up chance to put you advice into practice. I assure you you'll die like the pig you are. Mouthing off at an Officer of the NA, a General for that matter, you bloody runt bastardized cuntt. bleep you and your linage you fool. If i ever see you, you will beg i promise that on my life you fuckshead.
@Jakumo, I know the Gen, I know his kids and family. He is vibrant and active man, albeit talkative but he is a man of integrity and grit. Besides he was in the Army Legal Services, not Spcl Ops. These know-all's just make me so made, but thanks for sensible contributions.
@Okija, beta have the proper juju when we meet. You go need am. 

Okija don annoy you be dat o. you dey really vex.

Emma carnegie:

we shall win

we don win

At last I am beginning to see hope.

BY NOW I EXPECTED to have a shop or something in Lagos where we can visit.

Do you want to keep going forever ?

emzzy84:

I can not place the picture for security purpose. The property is at Adeniyi Jones. Ikeja. Thanks

security purpose ? how ? that makes the place suspect. so if i meet with you and you go to showm e the house, who says i cannot take a photograph and put it here my self ? oga, think out of the box now,

nobody will contac you, you are the one that should list the houses/properties you have for sale and their pictures, and associated costs. thats an invitation to treat and then people can make offers.

cheers.

Insur,

you have many more competing propreties around Abraham Adesanya (Ajah) for les than N15m. cant you get properties worth less than N20m (all costs inclusive)?