Omofranca: Hmmm...will this dress code have universal application across RCCG? Last time I checked (admittedly about 2 years) ago, all RCCG London Jesus House choir members were attired in jeans trousers for one of their services. Seriously, I've always wondered why Mummy Adeboye dresses without jewelry but many members and even parish leaders' wives do not do likewise. I assumed that each church member was left alone to be personally convinced about it or otherwise. However I personally believe that there's nothing wrong with a church having a dress code, each to his own if it will help instil discipline. If for instance I want to benefit from a particular Deeper Life Programme, I cover my hair just so as not to cause them offence but don't bother when going to a TREM programme.Obeying church dress rules may not guarantee heaven but they would guarantee order and minimise straying eyes (at least during the service).

Omo, you be chameleon o. Changing to suit the color of the weather

This articles also lends credence to the fact that Tithing in the era of Grace makes the Word of God of no effect and makes you fall back to the burden of Mosaic law and not the generous Grace of Christ. I am not under the Law but under Grace.

amor4ce: Haven't you stubbornly refused to accept that Jesus is not the name of the Son of God, and that Jehovah or Lord is not the name of God? Haven't you gleefully accepted the fake Christianity? Have you sought to know why it is that compared to the old testament there are strange names in the new testament?

So what is the name of Jesus and God rendered in the English language if I may ask?

sexkillz: Now i'm really finding it hard to pinpoint who is most dumb. The poster of this topic, or the person that posted this thrash on the frontpage. . . WTH!

Keep on exposing yourselves o, all in the name of traffic. . . "Home of Nigerians" my foot! This site should be christened, "Home of Nigeria's intellectual Jokers". . .

Guy relax.

Don Carlos: It is easy for most of us to pontificate on how good we had it in our days and how the kids are missing it. Why have we denied these kids the trainings and discpline that made us the men and women we are today? Who produces and sponsors the numerous reality programmes on tv, including the dance/miming competitions inplace of the debates, quiz and other academic competitions we knew. Have we ever raised these issues at the PTA meetings? Why do parents who became who they are by dint of hardwork and sacrifice always prefer the easy way out for their kids.
We can blame technology and attitude for their failures but did technology also destroy the books we read in our days? How many of us ever gave books as presents to these kids other than PS and BB.
I think the greatest culprit here is the adult society who have failed to give direction to its' youth and then turn round to blame technology for filling the gap for them.

this ya post put sand for my mouth

Pastor Kun:

Olaadegbu does not trust God enough to meet his needs hence he resorts to twisting God's to manipulate people to paying tithes to his church which he depends on.

We are all admonished to trust God with all of our hearts and lean not on our own understanding. It is somewhat difficult in practise but we can do it by His Grace. Not our efforts.

We are not under the law but under grace. Tithing was a requirement of the law and ends with the law. If I am under grace, i am not obliged to pay tithes. I am however aware that seed time and harvest time exists continually, so i go to church with "offerings". The offerings is however not modelled after what obtains in the time of the law and its requirements.

Christians, you can give tithe (if you want) but it is never a requirement under grace in Christ. Read the epistles of Paul very well. So, anyone who gives tithes today should know very well that it is only a requirement of love (which comes as a result of the grace Christ himself brought to us which demonstrated His love towards us)and not of the law. Do not be yoked in your believing. The tithes they preach today in referencing Malachi 3 was under the law. The law came through Moses, but Grace and Truth came through Jesus! So, its okay to give tithes but when you think you are satisfying an injunction to give tithes according to Malachi, you are still under the law of Moses and yet to come to appreciate the knowledge of Grace and Truth which Christ represents.

So, there are no curses for not paying tithes if we are under grace. Anybody who takes us back to the law in preaching what the law of Moses required is an Antichrist and abides in error and false teachings. He should however note that if he then breaks any of the other laws (since he has chosen to remain in the law), he has broken all (and his keeping of one or some of the laws of Moses is being nullified by breaking another law). So, why go back to the law that was difficult to keep in the first place for which purpose Christ came and took away the law (which was the middle wall of separation) and replaced it with grace. Anybody who keeps quoting the old testament and saying that curses abound for anyone who does not pay tithe is an Antichrist and abides in error.

Tithing under this era of Grace is therefore of Love and never of the Law. Read Pauls teachings again and you will see what I am saying. Paul never preached tithe (cos it was no longer relevant), Christ also came to replace the law with something greater : Love through His Grace and Truth personified.

Gracias !

Pastor Kun: @Cgift
Olaadegbu knows deep down in the heart that tithing is not relevant to christianity but he as chosen to liver in denial becos he benefits as a preacher from tithe collections and secondly he just can't come to terms with the fact that certain MOGs he idolizes like kumuyi could possibly be wrong on the tithe issue.

Thanks AIO,

I really understand his position. Nobody tries to force anything down another's throat. We are all here to learn and polish ourselves and deliver ourselves from some doctrines of demons disguised as truth today. How many people of these preachers got the kind of revelation Paul got before commencing his ministry? They read the scriptures or at best go to Bible schools and make up what their own doctrines should be and call it the truth. Who says? In doing that, they violate (albeit without knowing) the admonition in 2 Peter 1:20 "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. May God help us. Paul was taught by the Spirit himself in addition to his own perfect understanding of the Jewish laws and yet never for once mentioned tithing. Remember he gave the most of the New testament of Grace and Truth teachings which we use today. Most of these preachers today read the scriptures to come to conclusions on what they think is right - hence the confusion in Christianity today. But God is not the author of confusion.

When I pay tithe today, its not because I will come under a curse today if i do not, but I recognise it as an avenue to sow and show my love for God and that is the spirit. I recognise that all i have comes from Him alone and i give back in return whilst recognising the seasons of seed time and harvest. I no longer live in condemnation or fear of some gloomy curses. In fact, I do not even call it tithe, I just call it love giving even though it is the same 10% of my income - (remember also that tithes of yore where not even money but produce, etc though money was available back then).

If you are a preacher that has always insisted on tithing and reading Malachi 3. Please change your teachings to that of love which the Grace and Truth of Jesus brings and not the Law of Moses. You can cause a great correction of error in your ministry and denomination. My church does not preach tithe as being under the law, yet, it has not stopped the inflow of blessings. People have not stopped giving and won't stop if you show them the real New Testament teachings on giving which replaces the forceful and mandatory laws of the old teestament. If the first was without a fault, there would not have been the need for the second. Do not put old wine in new wine skins.

Think and reflect on these things Olaadegbu.

Bro Olaadegbu,

There comes a time in one's life where one has to really do some deep introspection and examine some doctrines we have held fast unto for years and ask ourselves: in a test under fire and scrutiny, do these teachings really conform to the teachings of grace that Christ preached? There are so many false teachings in the body of Christ today which unfortunately are taught by supposedly great men of God, but falls flat on its surface when you read the spirit of the word and the letters.

Bros, how many laws were contained in the old testament? At least if you read Deut. 28 which you are very conversant with, you would know that we it is practically impossible to keep all of them. By implication, if you cant keep ALL of them but only a few, you are in violation of all still. Right ? So, what am I saying? Tithing was demanded by God in the days of yore mainly for the upkeep of the children of Levi who were the priests and were banned from working. There were no salaries. Men of God today are on Salaries? (Correct me if I am wrong).

Back to the law and its requirements; if the law stated I should not wear clothes that are made of different materials (one of those wonderful laws in Leviticus) (e.g. putting on a garment that was made with silk and cotton, or that I should not plant two different seeds belonging to different crops on the same parcel of land, etc cos there are so many requirements) tell me how practicable it would be for you to know and then fulfil all these requirements? If tithing also belonged to the same era of the law and requirements, why sieve out only this part of the law and requirements of Moses and discard the others? It begs reasoning right ?

Lets go further.

The admonition for giving as taught by Christ and later Paul, is completely different when compared to the period of the law. New Covenant giving is: freewill, sacrificial, generous, joyful, regular and motivated by love for God, fellow Christians and lost souls. Do not burden or curse God's poor who struggle to feed and shelter their family by declaring that they are under a curse for not paying tithes. Although there is no set percentage for Christians to give, all should give sacrificially or lower your standards of living in order to further the reach of the Gospel. That is the message of the gospel and you cannot force tithe into it under any guise.

I can list and take you on the concept of tithe and why it is completely 1) Irrelevant, 2) Misunderstood, 3) Taught in a web of lies today 4) A teaching which makes the grace and truth personified in Christ of no effect - under the following headings:

1. Christian Giving Principles: New Covenant Giving Principles are Superior
2. Defining Tithe: In God’s Word the Holy Tithe was Always Only Food from Inside Israel!
3. Money was an Essential but Non-Tithed Item.
4. Abram’s Tithe to Melchizedek Reflected the Law of the Land and never the law of God.
5. No Minimum Principle: Tithing was not a Minimum Requirement from All Israelites.
6. Levite Assistants: First-Tithes were Received by Servants to the Priests.
7. Holy And Most Holy: It is Holy to the LORD Does Not Make Tithing an Eternal Moral Principle
8. Four Tithes: There are Four Different Tithes Described in the Bible (Imagine that)

We can discuss this and I can willingly give you references to great sites where you can have your understanding refreshed on this concept.

Fundamentally, the concept of Grace and Truth, Sin, and The Law needs be revisited as today's pastors are leavened with the leaven of the Pharisees whose major preoccupation is living the law. My brother, the Law was what Christ came to remove. Do not bring it back into Christendom only to be feeling condemned the month ou are unable to pay some fathom tithes that has since been abolished with in Christ's death.

Gracias!

We are not under the law but under grace. Tithing was a requirement of the law and ends with the law. If I am under grace, i am not obliged to pay tithes. I am however aware that seed time and harvest time exists continually, so i go to church with "offerings". The offerings is however not modelled after what obtains in the time of the law and its requirements.

Christians, you can give tithe (if you want) but it is never a requirement under grace in Christ. Read the epistles of Paul very well. So, anyone who gives tithes today should know very well that it is only a requirement of love (which comes as a result of the grace Christ himself brought to us which demonstrated His love towards us)and not of the law. Do not be yoked in your believing. The tithes they preach today in referencing Malachi 3 was under the law. The law came through Moses, but Grace and Truth came through Jesus! So, its okay to give tithes but when you think you are satisfying an injunction to give tithes according to Malachi, you are still under the law of Moses and yet to come to appreciate the knowledge of Grace and Truth which Christ represents.

So, there are no curses for not paying tithes if we are under grace. Anybody who takes us back to the law in preaching what the law of Moses required is an Antichrist and abides in error and false teachings. He should however note that if he then breaks any of the other laws (since he has chosen to remain in the law), he has broken all (and his keeping of one or some of the laws of Moses is being nullified by breaking another law). So, why go back to the law that was difficult to keep in the first place for which purpose Christ came and took away the law (which was the middle wall of separation) and replaced it with grace.

Tithing under this era of Grace is therefore of Love and never of the Law. Read Pauls teachings again and you will see what I am saying. When i am less busy, we shall delve into the new testament. Paul never preached tithe (cos it was no longer relevant), Christ also came to replace the law with something greater : Love through His Grace and Truth personified.

Gracias !

Failure of a state government. But it will be nice to know what the LP governor is doin about this and what his action plans and timelines are since the PDP government failed the state in the time past.

Nigeria is going to be good again o with these good marraiges i am seeing on Nairaland. I am happy. At least some things still give me hope about 9ja.

Hi AIO,

Some of your points caught my attention and would like to respond thus in imitating a discussion. I only hope i wont be derailing the thread but i believe it is still a part of the topic of discourse which is Basic Interpretation Rules For The Bible.

1. You had said the word "them" introduced did not do justice to that passage. I could not agree less though I had always read that scripture also to mean that the them referred to the two sexes built into Adam at creation. Your comments gives some clarity to it in some way in the school of thought that man was created as an hermaphrodite originally. That then presupposes that man was supposed to produce his kind all alone without any intimacy whatsoever as i presume eggs will be produced and fertilized in the same "body" and at maturity (he/she) it delivers. However, the need to quell the loneliness problem resulted in that spiritual operation leading to the male systems being separated from that of the female.

2. Flowing from the above, you said man was created in the image of God (Elohim); Male and Female implying that Elohim is Androgynous. I beg to differ on this point and I put forward my reasons. Like was suggested in one of the basics listed by the poster, that we should allow scriptures to interpret scriptures else we run the risk of misinterpretation and sometimes absolute heresies, let us see the meaning other scriptures tend to give to this view of yours.

Col. 1:15; New International Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Jesus Christ is being referred to in the text quoted above in Col. 1:15 and you will agree with me suggests nothing about his physical structure. Image talks mainly about Resemblance in certain qualities such as love, morality, etc.

To further buttress this point of mine, let us look at the following:

In 2 Cor. 3:18; American King James Version
(But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the LORD).

If we are already in God’s image (as depicted by pour physical frame), what further Image are we still changing into according to this verse? This no doubt IMHO reveals that the image being discussed in Genesis has nothing to do with how our physical frames are structured.

The next question you might ask is how then does he perform all functions our organs perform as in the fact that He sees, ears, moves, feels (does He  ?), etc.? Our organs that perform these functions are only channels or tools to carry them out and may not necessarily mean that he has lobes, lips, eyeballs, etc like us. Hope you feel me?

Thinking that Elohim carries the same body structure like we mortals is IMHO a grave error as nowhere does the scriptures states so clearly. It is almost tantamount to saying The Elohim then has both external male and female reproductive organs. I do not subscribe to that line of thought since Jesus had said there are no marriages in heaven and we shall all be like angels. It further underscores the point that the image and Likeness does not relate to our physical frames but our build physically can help us understand how God can relate to us.

I stand to be corrected.

Matters arising,

omanzo02:

Its now they are making sense to me, but its has be well organise and violent free else, Nigeria crazy soldiers will bore hole in your aassszzz

asoderock:

At least here is a man who has come out frm the safety of computer keyboard to carry out real action. If we have 1m Bakares in dis country who are prepared to take real action, Nigeria will surely not remain the same and will definitely change for gud.

My kids are 6 and 4 today, i dont want them to get to 25 and 23 and still be complaining f corruption in Nigeria! the question they will ask is " why did our parents not stop this? " Or do we run away from this responsibility now and then allow our sildren tfight the fight on our behalf? What sort of useless parents will they call us? THIS SLEAZE MUST STOP NOW!!

Let us support SNG!! Its a course worth dying for. I am not afraid of dying but i am copncerned about what i die for. Let us emancipate ourselves and our generations born and unborn for posterity sake.

vinceobe:

There is a great difference between beautiful speeches and attitude. This man called Tunde Bakare cannot be trusted. His antecedents speak volumes. Was it not Shakespear "that says that there is no art to find the minds construction on the face". Tunde Bakare failed as a politician. He pitched his tent on the sinking boat of CPC. They tried post-election violence. It did not work. They went to all the courts in the land. That did not work. They tried to use the last strike to their advantage. It did not work. The Federal Government, knowing their sinister intention, moved solders to put a stop to their act. Do not look at actions but look or judge intentions. The question I am asking is WHAT DOES TUNDE BAKARE WANTS? You are calling for regime change. You said you a democrat. President Goodluck was voted into power for four years. Wait for the four years to elapse and you can seek election. That is the way democracy works. You cannot move the goal post at the middle of the match. WHAT DOES TUNDE BAKERE WANTS?

Please grow up cos you do not even understand what you are saying? so you have never heard of impeachment before ? Comments like this will make people conclude you are a stark illiterate !! Please polish yourself up fellow,

but have we even asked and answered the question : "DOES SUBSIDY EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE ?"

iyatrustee:

For wia? Na only 13th month we dey get ever since sanusi begin him banking sector kasala

e be like say ya bank broke small. me i don collect my 75kg bag of rice. 50kg for me and the 25kg for my driver. ( i no get driver sha)

ese gan!!

I wan be shareholder. Una go pay dividend?

aloy/emeka:

What do you want them to say?

The words THIEF and SAINT does not have tribe. You find them everywhere. All tribalists and bigots should keep quite please.

A suspect remains innocent until proven otherwise.

So, guys grow up and dont attach any tribal colouration to these.

Rgp92:

Low IQ

So your own IQ is higher than every religious individual we have on this forum !

Clap for yourself.

If you taken time to read many arguments against this assumption you sure would have seen some sense in what was said on the essense of religion and how to use religion effectively.

Your IQ cannot be higher than all those self acclaimed billionaire businessmen and yet religious. So you might want to reconsider your stance or otherwise if you are ready for defence.

kabukabu:

uh oh, guess area boys are not too fond of , Paragraphs

Its apparent its second nature to you to use derogatroy words on people. na u sabi

But i think the guy makes some sense - i could draw this portion out of his block of letters  where he said " i guess what i am trying to say is that religion is not what is messing up the black man, religion is what is keeping us from being wiped out completely of the planet. "

We still need religion (in te broader sense of it) to keep hope alive, for the inspiration, and the feeling of absolute possibilities and " limitlessness". Religion gives the black man hope, and the most pathetic condition to have as a homosapien, is to be hopeless or forlorn

buzugee:

the black man is under heavy siege as a spite from beelzebub to yahweh. he messes with us to spite the creator. we, the original man, remind him of his arch rival, yahweh. thats why he uses other races as pawns to destroy us. nothing we do will ever be successful so long as we are under our own will. hence the state of all black people all over the world. we aint gone make it economically in this lifetime but we can make it spiritually individually. and no i did not just speak swahili  

You must have been reading Pastor Ahimolowo's book on the "Man of Colour" I guess. Me i dont believe all that story of melanin bla bla bla.I only believe we are where we are because we have allowed selfishness, lack of self control, greed, and lack of brotherly love and avarice to becloud our judgement.

Thumbs up Godman.

But what is this rivalry all about? Can't you guys keep a clean slate. Arguments do not necessarily have to degenerate into vulgar languages. na wa o. You guys should grow up. Let us face the issue at hand please. I am very interested in this topic.

buzugee:

i see i am going to have to kick some ballistics up in here. what you people need to understand is that we as a black people are going through what we are going through because we are black. us black people are behind enemy lines. we are under siege. the only thing keeping us afloat is the few pious black people still praying and interceding on our behalf. listen, we are in a world controlled and run by diabolic fallen angels and we, black people, the original people, are the reminder to the fallen angels of the scorn he has for yahweh. we are the constant reminders of the lords creation. remember we were made in his image and the fallen angels hate his image. other 'races' of people have mutated away from that original image when the land mass gondwanaland split apart and drifted into extreme climes and these peoples features had to adapt to the climes and their melanocytes atrophied somewhat and stopped producing melanin etc etc. these other races are far removed from the image of the original man. our looks are a constant source of irritant to beelzebub. so seeing as he controls this world, he has made it his mission to destroy us and make our existence a living hell. he has occupied the minds of those who dont remind him of yahweh and is using them all against us to destroys us (racism, colonialism, slavery, etc etc ). folks we are under siege. nothing we do short of getting our protection from the bigger force (yahweh) will save us. we are behind enemy lines and all other races are the pawns used against us. i guess what i am trying to say is that religion is not what is messing up the black man, religion is what is keeping us from being wiped out completely of the planet. 'religion' being a constant dialogue with yahweh and submission to his will. those few religious people believe it or not are the ones that are between our state of affairs now and being completely destitute and re-enslaved and turned into farm animals. of course we have some white people on our side too. the ones who have refused to let beelzebub use their minds by becoming themselves followers of yahweh. its a hard slug yall. we behind enemy lines dawg. this is a war zone. do you have your bullet proof jacket on ?

Did you just communicate in Swahili ?

The jews are religious aren't they ? You tell me whether their people are not amongst the best in virtually all aspects of human endeavours! So what are we really saying then ?

Religion, when used positively, which is the way it should be, develops rather than inhibits growth and development!

There is no gainsaying that fact people!

So, African states are in shit , not because they are religious; you can clearly attribute it to some other factors!

Lets see how frosbel do justice to those other factors.

Thank you.

dayotheone:

so what are you guys saying , that there is no God

People are just looking for ways of running away from the truth and they know it deep down within that they can only deceive themselves and not those who understand what religion should be. Man has only given religion a wrong name unfortunately and painted it real bad. Man is not only physical. What you see is not all that there is to life and you cannot dispute that! If man is not only physical, there exists a metaphysical state of man.

Its not today the first time, neither will it be the last that God has confounded the wisdom of the wise even in their so called professions. Take Doctors for example, the ones that have seen things in their little life will tell you that though they don’t believe in it, there has to be some higher powers that confounds them when their own wisdom and expertise falls short.

You guys have not watched a magician in real life have you? If you have you will not be saying things like Religion is this or that. If you cannot explain how things happen with your natural mind, then you must conclude that it is ethereal or celestial.

To those who are very aware of who they are, man is able to reach into his true self which is made after the likeness of God and work out the realities of God in his daily life.

I am an advocate of using religion the right way. No doubt erudite scholars, and scientists, both Muslim and Christians have contributed in no small measure to the inventions and betterment of the world.  

Christianity for instance preaches love, peace, brotherliness, unity, faith, hope, longsuffering, joy, etc as the fruits of the Spirit; imagine if everyone follows this, how would the world be today? If people can walk together and agree on the above cardinals of unity, tell me how they won’t make the world a better place. It is only because the practitioners have perverted / misinterpreted parts of their religious texts to suit their inordinate ambitions that has given religion a bad name.

Conclusion:

Religion is not bad in itself, in actual fact, it is the way to go only if the elements of unity in all of the various religions are used rightly but unfortunately the world (not only Africans) has used it for the wrong reasons.

Rhea:

A turn in the fortunes of this country can only be achieved when we have an administration that is brave enough to probe the administration of our past leaders. If a leader can rule a country, plunder her treasury and go scot-free, then what dissuades the next leader not to do the same?

Absolutely nothing! [size=12pt]Where is that leader that can instill fear into our elite? That leader who can bring justice and accountability back to where it belongs? [/size]

The answer is Buhari

Ournaija:

Even if the reason for voting is silly and idiotic, he is your president and will remain so till 2015. And may even be for another 6 years.

He is the best of all the candidates presented at the last election.

Buhari-----Is a tribalist

Ribadu----Is Tinubu`s puppet
Momodu--Does not even know why he is contesting

Who else?

while the bolded may be true before the election, it will not necessarily hold true if Ribadu had become the the Preseident. You feel me ?

dayokanu:

To make fun of a retardeen president

This guy is almost making believe this new word he just created for GEJ is in the dictionary

Men - 10.2 secs
Women - 10.9 secs

What are we talking about here. We have lost it already especially in the men's segment. and i do hope we find it back. there is no need for the men even competing outside Africa cos they will always come last. and with more support, i think the women would start outpacing the men and then we will only need women in Athletics.

Nigeria is really reversing.

Jeboy:

@Dayokanu


Cant u express your views without ODECHUKWU. A man is judged by the words of his mouth.

the guy is full with so much disdain for J.E.G.A

Im loving this,

"You cannot paddle a canoe on dry land"

Becalm:

Some habits can be stopped, some can be overgrown but few may never be stopped. Do not relax and hope they will overgrow them, do something/give it a try and let events take care of itself. Suggestions; show great dislike in any manner that seems best to you whenever they display such habit. Threaten to beat the 5yr if she repeats such, if you are lucky she may not stop but will not display such habits before you.

You probably think it is what biologists call voluntary actions? I belive it is onl a voluntary action that you can control. If one does something unconciously, even when ou are there, they would have done it before remembering your insttruction or threat.

Come o tthink of it, at times i just threaten i will no buy soimehing for them unless they sop i. and i have seen situations when my girl comes back and says "daddy, i have not pulled my hair today   But immediately after that nko, u see her digging it again.

NJV:
@poster, for your daughter, pls make her go on low cut for a long while, i mean real low cut (abolo). This way she'll forget abt pulling her hair and maybe find other ways of relieving stress. Continuous pulling of hair from one spot could affect the hair roots and may lead to
permanent boldness[b] in dat spot and will be a bigger problem being a girl [/b].
For your son, whenever u find him chewing, either u collect wat he's chewing and give him a fruit in return or u rub some bitter leave juice on wat he's chewing and hand it back to him.
You shd also try some mild spanking on both of them so they start learning from this early age that those are unpleasant habits. They will not die from mild spanking!
By the way, your a great dad. Keep it up.

o yea, ha bolded bohers me.