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Celebrities / Re: Promo Photos Of Mbgn Contestants - Predict The Winner by cgift(m): 2:45pm On Jun 22, 2011
If its on face beauty alone, then this should be between Ondo, Ekiti, Abia, and Lagos in no particular order.  wink they are simply beautiful.

Others are beautifully and wonderfully made too. smiley
Career / Re: Accountants' Forum. by cgift(m): 2:23pm On Jun 22, 2011
babaijesha:

Abeg forget accounting jooo, Na all comers affairs, even if you get BSC Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo , No be to go WYSE or PYE go jack, the thing even dey boring , every one na chartered accountants for Nigeria,

lol! i share your sentiments. the same reason i will neva allow my children / siblings study accounting in the university. they will study something else and then go to WYSE, Risk Free or PYE to study for ACA and be better equipped. I like Econs (University) and then ACA certification or I.T /Computer Science (university) and then ACA cert something like that.

My two cents.

nice thread. I hope our May diet results will be out this week. wink
Religion / Re: Pastor Adefarasin Declares Self A Billionaire by cgift(m): 4:40pm On Jun 21, 2011
Joagbaje:

@all

Calling a christian a millionaire or billionaire in an understatement. A christian own all things. He owns the world. All things belong to christ.

Romans 4:13
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith
.

In christ all things are ours. The choice is ours. If want it, collect, if you don't want ,no problem.

1 Corinthians 3:21
. . . For all things are yours;





nice summary cheesy I will surely work it out!!!!!
Religion / Re: Pastor Adefarasin Declares Self A Billionaire by cgift(m): 2:18pm On Jun 21, 2011
mr.official:

@cgift, How can money be the reward? Don't you know what money can do on this planet? Or have you been living under a rock? Don't contradict yourself! I'm off jare. No time for needless arguments.

I can see that money can buy your life right ?
Religion / Re: Pastor Adefarasin Declares Self A Billionaire by cgift(m): 2:02pm On Jun 21, 2011
zenatta:

@post

no brainer that I like Pastor Adefarasin. Long long ago followed as he told his story, his struggles

maybe his speech is a tad boastful but why not, what parent has not beat their chest to acclaim a well turned out child. an apple can not fall far from the tree. A mother's glory is in the beauty of a well brought up child.  God our heavenly Father was boastful of Job.

Pastor A has every right to claim he is a billonaire because you cannot impact what you don't have. A kingmaker always has the ears of the king. The Pastor can never be poor when the people he has preached to are very wealthy, c'est ne pas possible!
Motivational speaker, preacher, no matter,as long as  when the man who was down hears him and sets about life anew to the point of resounding success, that all that matters

Pastor A has always been a down-to-earth person. and that works for me. I remember a story he told about a member desiring his annointing
Please kill the notion that men who dilligently serve God ought to be poor. Not so. God rewards always. God is a rule changer, but thats the story for another day.
Pastor A does not look to me as a list man. We know the list people. ( an aside) Ehn, Nigerians and their love for inclusion in lists


Thanks jare zenatta.

its funny people love to give meanings out of context and say things without proper understanding. The person that will like to die poor should indicate here for all to see! Someone gets a turnaround in his life, finds his God-ordained destiny and calling from the miry clay he was drowning and gets lifted as He lifts Jesus up with his works and life and someone feels bitter about it! I just wonder!

That same person has become a blessing to thousands over time, and has been used by God to change destinies, some people come here and say its not good enough!

The bad ones have really tainted the image of the few good ones, but when we see fake and original products, there are things you look out for in knowing which is which. Pastor Paul did not start off like this, there was the price to pay and he has paid it even after giving his life to Christ! There has been days of need, despair, sorrow and challenges, but God has remained faithful. He has carried his cross, he is still carrying alas! But  to come here and criticise, when you don't know half of the story is pathetic really and shows how your reasoning has been beclouded and may even rob you of your own chance to be great in life!

My advice to you all haters without a just cause is to GET TO KNOW JESUS, WALK IN HIS LOVE, SEEK UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM in order to WORK OUT THE BLESSINGS THAT GOD HAS ALREADY DEPOSITED IN YOU, and see if you will not manifest His glory here on earth.

NB: the blessings are an aftermath (they will come naturally) and Pastor PA and House On The Rock uses theirs to bless lives in no small dimension the same way the blessings of God come  upon the people whose lives have changed through his teachings.

Mr Akan 1; to matured Christians, money is a tool, a servant and not a master. Please get rich in a godly manner and give back to the society, that is the kind of Akan I will like to see and not a pauper who becomes a liability to the society.

mr.official:

I'm not gonna criticise any pastor but i still hold to the verse in the bible.

Ec:1:2: Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

Since men of God rewards are not in this earth, why bag billions when masses are suffering? I don't care what you've done for the masses, that should not justify the reason you have billions in your account.

So you think the money is the reward ? Jesus Christ! Please, I invite you to Church on Sunday at the expo center, Eko Hotel and suites come 26th June, 2011. Just come and get understanding. God will meet you at the point of your need (one of which as I can obviously see is understanding).

Pastor Paul's life clearly shows how to use your gifts as a motivational speaker, Pastor, teacher, life coach, etc in Christ and attain the mark that God has always destined for you. So, he is in Christ, and that is the fundamental reason for the success in whatever he does.

Be challenged by his life rather than let it be a stumbling block to you.

Peace!!
Politics / Re: Reducing The Population Pressure On Lagos by cgift(m): 11:58am On Jun 21, 2011
LeoMax:

To reduce the population of Lagos

1. Increase Tenement rates and Consumer income taxes.
2. Destroy the swamps and build recreational Parks there.
3. Close the borders and regulation entry into the state.
4. Pass legislations stipulating birth to 3 kids per family.
5. Offer all dwellers of Lagos State for 10yrs a State Citizenship Passports.
6. Make it mandatory that all felons who are non-Lagosians are transferred to their State prisons once arrested and banned from entrying Lagos

Very radical i must say
Romance / Re: Ex Is Pregnant And My Wedding Is Next Month by cgift(m): 4:19pm On Jun 20, 2011
Natasha,,:

sorry I forgot to add [size=30pt]don't you dare sleep with your innocent fiancee unless you have been tested negative angry [/size]

Seconded! but assuming the fiancee is indeed innocent. God help us!!!
Religion / Re: Pastor Tunde Bakare: A Bastard Can’t Rule The Yoruba by cgift(m): 8:21pm On Jun 16, 2011
why is every body boiling sef ? Haba! HWat of if he meant BAT s  spiritual bastard and that he does not have spiritual ancestral home  grin
you must always think outside the box when dealing with Bakare   cheesy
Career / Re: Tayo Aderinokun, GTBank CEO, Passes On by cgift(m): 9:17am On Jun 15, 2011
Rest In Perfect Peace Uncle T.
Politics / Re: Anambra House Of Assembly Elects Female Speaker by cgift(m): 12:06pm On Jun 14, 2011
But when will all these tribal wars on NL end ? people don't seem to be growing in wisdom and maturity. What is happening to our youths?
Politics / Re: A Thread For Nigeria's Firsts by cgift(m): 2:25pm On Jun 13, 2011
toluxa1:

Nairaland can be very predictable. I went straight to page 5 knowing that the topic with has exceeded its meaningful and interesting limit and would be derailed at this point. . . . . . i guessed right

but you just tried to derail it chief!
Foreign Affairs / Re: Zimbabwe Unveils The Current Mr Ugly 2011 by cgift(m): 1:20pm On Jun 10, 2011
ugliness is in the sight of the beholder. An ugly woman could die for that guy you know. think about that!
Politics / Re: Jonathan Says Boko Haram Problem Is Not Beyond What He Can Manage by cgift(m): 4:22pm On Jun 09, 2011
aribisala0:

you cannot negotiate with terrorists.
which carrot these guys can't be bought.
what they want no one can give

you have to crush them painfully.

e ba mi so fun o. Helelp me tellam
Autos / Re: Free Vin Checks And Reports by cgift(m): 8:35pm On Jun 08, 2011
cgift:

Apparently, Inspired is very busy at the moment. Will still appreciate if you could help me with this vehicle with VIN: 4T3ZF13C9YU278758

You have done well. Deeply appreciated. Really helpful.
Autos / Re: Free Vin Checks And Reports by cgift(m): 12:08pm On Jun 06, 2011
Apparently, Inspired is very busy at the moment. Will still appreciate if you could help me with this vehicle with VIN: 4T3ZF13C9YU278758
Autos / Re: Free Vin Checks And Reports by cgift(m): 3:52pm On Jun 03, 2011
Hello gentlemen,

would deeply appreciate if you can help me out with the report check for this Vehicle : 4T3ZF13C9YU278758
Politics / Re: Gej's Traffic Chaos Yesterday by cgift(m): 12:37pm On Dec 21, 2010

Honestly why can't our dumb public servants just keep their mouths shut rather than continue to ridicule us? Hear this:

"I want to thank the President for bringing Facebook to Nigeria" - Minister of Information Labaran Maku on AIT lastnite!!


Are u serious ? its a lie jor!  cheesy
Religion / Re: Pastor William Kumuyi (Deeper Life) Remarries by cgift(m): 1:44pm On Oct 28, 2010
prince paris:

The wife is 65, so it is not about SEX. Thank God for that.

even if it was, what is wrong with it ?
Politics / Re: Nigeria At 50: We Should Decentralise Powers – Ibb ! by cgift(m): 12:51pm On Sep 30, 2010
opabukun:

We Really need to decentralise power, but NOT FROM A sonofa like him!!!

Agree with you. That guy is a naturally gifted hypocrite. Why did he not do it when he had all the powers ? Cowards like him. What i just see is that he has lost the battle in his mind. This statement confirms it.
Crime / Re: 4 Brothers Sent To Kirikiri Prisons by cgift(m): 12:40pm On Sep 30, 2010
cry

cry

cry
Politics / Re: Nigeria At 50: We Should Decentralise Powers – Ibb ! by cgift(m): 12:35pm On Sep 30, 2010
gogo123:

really?na lie we must stay like this

Seconded. We dont want change. grin He should first give back his unexplainable wealth the government before coming to advice us.
Religion / Re: Christians That Can Speak And Understands Arabic by cgift(m): 7:06pm On Sep 23, 2010
poweredcom:

@vedaxcool
I Like your stand on this
but they told us Jesus was white which was a biblical teaching od the same Bible King James wrote, where as He was an essene Jew whose DNA could be truly traced back to present day Ethiopia and the Black man has been existing ever since 1,818,036 years before Christ and these bones were found in Tanganyika In the Black continent .then how was Jesus white, if he was white why was he born in a dirty stable and a poor place in the ghetto here poor black essene hebrews lives while the white Pharisee refused to give Mary and Joseph a helping hand in a better place to deliver the messiah.why did pontius pilate fre barnabas a criminal just becasue he was a white skin and despitethe truth of the messiah, due to his dark skin and hatred they all had for him, crucified him, ask your self, use your common sense dont we see that repeat it self in todays world of racism that excist in South Africa, USA and every where,we Africans are been fooled that if an enlighten Black man tell his fellow black man that Jesus was not white , thay dont agree, that is mental slavery they are still waiting for their white slave masters to come back and do research and remind them he was not white, BLACK MAN KNOW THY HISTORY OF YOUR SELF.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-517287.0.html


In all of this, the only thing I am willing to consider is the fact that we should keep an open mind about that there is a probability that Jesus was Black. I am doing some research on this. Ultimately however, the truth is that His colour does not matter one bit. It does not reduce the person of Christ and also does not exclude anyone from accepting His unfailing love and His invitation to all to come and enjoy eternal life including the jews (if He was one when he came to earth) or an Ethipian (if He was one) or an Arab (if He was one).
Religion / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by cgift(m): 6:44pm On Sep 15, 2010
nopuqeater:

This people in order to make themselves feel important, they turn their mothers out. to an imaginary husband, along with their real father. Yet they forget that a spirit (ghost god) and their human father do not truly agree with the arrangement. Making a woman into a loose woman is not exactly elevating her, She has a human husband because she is human. Now you throw a ghost on her. That is sad.

bashy_demy:

Hey where you just discharge from the Yaba without complete medication? well i guess you need to be transfer to Aro in Abeokuta for proper treatment. dint you what the post ealier before i make my comment? and maybe you need to read the meaning of 99 names of Allah and beside i believe my own God have more than 99 names even more than millions if you meet those that know how to praise him very well

You and all your comrades unsurprisingly are headed in an irreersible destruction. Funny enough, the whole world can clearly see through the emptiness of your hearts and souls.Your incoherence and lack of sense is just too visible to miss even the eyes not looking too deep.
Religion / Re: Good Occult Fraternities by cgift(m): 11:47am On Sep 15, 2010
Deep Sight:

The Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis

is there a Modern Mystical Order of Rosae Cricis now (MoMORC) ? undecided
Religion / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by cgift(m): 11:24am On Sep 15, 2010
bashy_demy:

Hmmmmm you see how you wrong with your explanation well when a son shout at his father cos he need money or things do you know how disrespectful that is? so xtains always shout at there father for no reason and have you read about the prodigal son that what xtains are and we are the humble son we beg or God we praise him with so many sweet names that make him so happy to bless us. back to the name names.

May be you should polish your comm skills. this is one of the reasons i just abandoned this thread earlier. You people fail to carry other discussants along due to poor comm skills. see how i am struggling to even understand the point you are trying to pass across there.


you said you dont call God names what was your level of stupidity or maybe you dont understand you religion. who do xtains call Emmanuel,Elohi,El-Shaddai Yahwee,Jehovah,Yehovah, Elohim,Adonai,Jehoval Jireh,Jehoval Nissi, Jehoval Rophe,Jehoval Shalom etc pls who are this names for?

But why worry and confuse yourself in all of these? The same way you refer to that stone in the black cubicle back in mecca with 99 names, the same way we have names that describe God the Almighty by His deeds, character, personality, His revelations et al. Just what is your headache here ? May be you should do a study of the meaning of hebrew/jewish names before raising these needless questions.
Celebrities / Re: New Worlds Shortest Man Declared by cgift(m): 4:53pm On Sep 14, 2010
papssy:

is this guy rilly an human being wow my 30cm ruler is taller dan him. grin

haba! you be olodo rabata. 30cm ruler is just 12 inches na. haha!
Religion / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by cgift(m): 8:27pm On Aug 20, 2010
chakula:

The "God" of War: Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to send peace on
earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew, 10:34)


You leave what Jesus has said because you dont have any proof that he did not say it in the first place. I have asked you, produce what he said instead of creating temporal fantacies that do not eliminate the indisputable truths stunning you in the face already about the false calling of Mohammad.

Though I would have loved to answer you but my problem is that you will never understand because your mind is closed to eternal truths as revealed in the Bible. The sword used in that passage for instance is not a physical sword. At least Jesus never raised a sword to strike anyone - no records fo that at least in the quran. grin So, that should tell you that it was not referring to a physical sword. grin But your will to keep wallowing in your self-deceit wont allow you see reason even when there is one cheesy

Again, it is on record that he said "[b]Those who kill by the sword shall die by the sword, [/b]That clearly tells you that he was talking about a physical sword here unlike the earlier scripture. And he therefore adviced that you should not take up arms. The bible records that when he was to be captured, Peter took up arms and struck an ear of one of the invaders. What did Jesus do in that instance? Tell me! I know you know the story. That was the story behind his statement that those who kill by the sword, shall die by the sword,

These things are very simple to know and understand if only you will remove the blockade and bias you have used to cover you reasoning and be open minded for once. You do not seek to know the truth else, i just laugh at your ignorance when you just do those copy and pastes without understanding the real meaning of what you read.

Parables, analagies and the likes are what Jesus readily used. He was educated you know and a master of words, unlike your own prophet. Some say you even consider his illiteracy a miracle in Islam grin Amazing !! grin

Enough said, I wont try to explain to you because you are used to circular and oft blocked reasoning which makes you come to the floor with a mindset which often makes you throw reasoning to the dogs even inspite of obvious realities.

Enjoy the rest of your day.
Religion / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by cgift(m): 7:36pm On Aug 20, 2010

^
contd from above.

Back in those days when a meteorite was discovered in Arabia a temple would be built at the site. Quoting Dr. Amari: "The stone was considered the main shrine, or sacred element, in each temple, called Kaabah in Arabic. This revered stone, which represented the moon, was considered to be divine. The worship of the Arabian Star Family with Allah, who was the moon as its head, revolved around the black
stone. Ellat, Allah’s wife, was the sun, and al-'Uzza and Manat, his daughters, represented two planets." There was no shortage of Kaabas
in Arabia each with it's own black stone. Arabian Star Family temple design left its indelible fingerprints on those temples as well as on the
Kaaba in Mecca, demonstrating that Abraham could not have built it, even if the city of Mecca had existed before the 4th century AD.
Indeed no Muslim will deny that there may have been as many as 360 stone idols located in and around the Kaaba in Mohammed's
day.

Mohammed took issue with the polytheists, and finally gained the power to expel all of the stone idols, which he did ,  except for
the black stone that Muslims still bow toward five times a day. In Islam, each Muslim is required to travel to Mecca to circumambulate
the stone, just as the pagans did before Mohammed. It is also interesting to note that the name of Islam’s holiest city is mentioned - at most - three times in the Quran. Compare this with the name Jerusalem, which is mentioned 814 times in 767 verses, in the Word of God.

In conclusion, in the absence of archaeological or historical record, notions of a pre-first century Mecca or Kaaba it would seem, become nothing more than a desert mirage. There is, however, abundant historical record of veneration of meteorites, including men venerating black rocks in the many Kaabas throughout Arabia.

Perhaps before too long Islam will cease to exist, at least in the mind of any rational person that is exposed to adequate historical
resources, in this information age.

Dont take my word for it-- research these things out and take on a curious mind. Half the time you spend looking for what is not lost in the bible, if you spend it on your quran, you would since have discovered the grand hoax Mohammad, Allah, and the Quran represent.
Religion / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by cgift(m): 7:20pm On Aug 20, 2010
nopuqeater:


now, if Muhammad was not sincere and wanted any glory for himself and from anyone, he would have not revealed surah Abasa, and the verses on ending of adoption [b]which brought about marrying his own cousin, a former wife of his former adopted son, [/b]who is now just his brother in Islam, his follower.

Mohammad was just a sex-maniac thats all! He could not control his libido! Why did he have 22 wives and restricted you people only to 4 ? You have not answered that question till today. May be because he has the strength of 30 men!!  grin He now analysed you his followers and discovered you have only the strength of 4 men and restricted you people to 4 ?  


one wonders why didnt zaid leave islam, after this? he did not even protest it, realising that it is a perfect order that Allah brought about by this thing that confounds many.


He feared for his head of course- he did not want it to be removed from off his neck, so he had to be gentle  cheesy. If it were you what wuld you do seeing the dazzling sword in its sheath and the dagger clipped to his side  grin . Would you need any counsel to tell you to maintain ? grin



and as to Ishmael and hagar and abraham, versus sarah, the bible contradicts itself, OT contradict NT in facts and implication of the incidence, paralleling that of Jesus. if anyone felt that abraham was not married, legally to Hagar, but just a maid of sarah who wished for a child because of a promise from God, such a person had called Abraham, the Friend of God an adulterer.

The people who taught Mohammed the stories of the Bible did a wicked job. grin Thank God you read that comic story. Its a classic.I I am sure you would have seen another perspective entirely. I appreciate your response. You must however know that in their bid to create a religion t ocounter Christianity the Arabs,the stories had to be twisted . All the ancient biblical manuscripts of old written ever before Mohammad was born all say the same thing about the relationship between Abraham, Sarah his wife, and Hagar the slave. Not one manuscript supports your cooked up story of Hagar being a legal wife! Not one! Go and read up the jewish history on this and you will discover that it corroborates what is in the bible. Therefore, the account in the quran has no pre-islamic support! It is just a bold-faced lie!! Most of the OT stories can be well substantiated. But why does the story of the quran always go against all of history ?


Will God have stood doing nothing to stop his friend from such an act, then later decided adultery is bad? God knows everything before it happens, He puts it in motion, allowing it to happen, in reality.

Unfortunately no one can claim to know God perfectly but its more unfortunte that you dont know that God has given us free will to do what we want and make our own decisions right? How would God have stopped Abraham from sinning? Why not ask me why He did not stop Eve from sinning too ? On a lighter note, did he stop Mohammad from sinning ?


[b]reality is that Hagar came to the household of Abraham, not as a slave, but as a bride from the household of coptic king Pharaoh of egypt. [/b]do princesses become slaves when she was not captured in conflicts, but given out as si=uch wilingly by the king? no.

One of the many lies that was sold to Mohammad to enable him go contrary to the Bible. Mohammed's fables like many others contradicts what is in the Torah, the Old Testament and every documented known history. and there is nothing to back up his claims ! I m sure you are beginning to see deep elements of a fraudster here !


the whole story of ishmael and his mother and abraham and sarah is riddled with suggestive lies, and false statements. at the end of it all, none of the prophesies of harshness became a reality on the person called ishmael. he was neither a will backside nor a killer of anyone or was killed by anyone. instead, it was isaac that lost his sight and had a terrible and conniving wife who destroyed a son to elevate another. the son elevated was full of treacheries.

i am using your bible, but Quran is silent about all of them,


wondering if the christians who taught muhammad the Bible which became the Quran wanted the Quran, his own invention under Muhammad to be better than the book of his own religion?

the reason for that was made very clear in the comic. You dont need to wonder. face the facts!  Mohammad became a willing tool and played to the gallery. You have not researched enough on the histroy of your religion and why Mohammad had no history or prophesy to back his coming to the world up! He was just an usurper and a smart man who has created a religion out of pre-islamic arabia.


if out of wedlock Ishmael was born to Abraham, and therefore not his heir, first spiritual son, and birth, then Jesus who was conceived out of wedlock, suffers the same condition, at least.

Dont talk like an illiterate now. haba! DId your quran not tell us of the immaculate conception of Jesus ?  grin You can see how confused you have become ? I just pity you. You can clearly see how you are sweating in trying to defend the indefensible ?  grin You are really in-between! So confused.


finally the view of islam on Jesus and his mother is unique to itself, completely different from any christian sect, catholics or not. Jesus is Messenger and Prophet (AS) to his Chidren fo israel nations, world, people, tribes. his mother marry is no more than a good woman, though you cgist may say she is a love-peddler, scum of the earth. we in Islam defended her as a woman, young, unmarried and not in the household of Jeseph before she got pregnant.[b] if all of these the catholic agrees with islam, when we differ as in you and them saying Jesus is a God in trinity, it will be a good faith to acknowledge it. [/b]afterall, you are not different from each other about jesus being your God in additional to Yahweh, or Jehovah, or Eloi, or Adonia, and of course te holy Ghost.

Slyly acknowledging the " treaty" between the two of you. It is interesting how this drama has unfolded! Islam is purely a hoax ! A smart creation of men in order to deliberately besmirch the work of Jesus Christ.


Is Allah an idol, a moon god, the reason moon is on mosque? there is no idol of Allah ever, even when the arabs were pure pagans, they knew there is an existing Creator, ust like every society does. Allah is that Creator, while Olorun is in Yoruba, God is in English to just name a few of tribal or societal languages. is a moon god anywhere around the muslims, Kaaba or not? none. there are videos that show the inside of Kaaba. its nothing special about it, except that the inside is empty.


that is the hoax that will perpetually keep you in servitude till the end of your life! They will only tell you what they want you to hear. May be you should do astral travelor those psychic things   grin. May be that will help you figure out the idol inside the Kaaba. Go and ask them that you want to see what is inside whether they wont dislocate your neck  grin. Until then, keep banging your head on the floor facing Mecca in honour of a stone (idol) inside a Kaaba.

Let me take you back to the very foundations of Islam.

According to the Quran, the Ka'aba was re-built by Abraham and Ishmael, and has presumably been the center of worship for Allah's people, ever since. However in the 7th century AD in which Mohammed lived, the Ka'aba was a center of pagan worship, of some 360 rock idols that resided in and around the Ka'aba. Mohammed took issue with the polytheists and eventually gained the power to have all of the rock idols removed ,  except for the black stone - a meteorite - that still resides at the Ka'aba today. I have told you to ask the Saudi aauthorities to allow you see inside of that Kaaba that they say is directly under teh gate of heaven! So much fables I tell you. So the question begs, that if Allah commissioned the above described building to be constructed at the center of the world, and below the gate to heaven, why then did God give Moses specific  instruction to build a tabernacle on Mount Moriah, that was completed almost 3,000 years ago, that stood 766miles from where Mecca is today?

One of the difficulties with Mohammed's view is that there is no record - outside of Islamic tradition - of Abraham ever having been in Mecca. An even greater - indeed insurmountable - difficulty is that there is no historical or archaeological record of Mecca ever having existed, prior to the first few centuries AD. While there is plenty of such evidence that confirms that Arabian cities like Qedar, Dedan and Teima were established long before, there is no such evidence that Mecca ever existed before the Christian era - and yet you say Abraham built the Kaaba? Not one finding of archaeology supports it to prove that it existed !! Try a search like - archaeology of mecca - or - historical and archaeological evidence of mecca. You will see blank !  grin

If you can find some evidence that predates the first few centuries AD, that demonstrates that Mecca existed prior to the Christian era, I will  appreciate you sharing it with us on this forum. In the absence of such archaeological and historical record, what can be concluded about Mohammed's 7th century religion? A pack of lies of course!

If Mecca has been the epicenter of Islam since the time of Abraham, it would follow that there would be increasingly more archaeological
evidence in the form of artifacts and such, the closer one traveled to this focus of Mohammed's religion. It also follows that there should be
a greater pre-Christian historical record for Mecca, than perhaps most any other Arabian city, but no such record exists. Compare this to
Jerusalem, for example, the epicenter of Judeo/Christian beliefs. One can hardly pick up a shovel full of earth in Jerusalem that doesn't contain artifacts, and the closer one gets to Jerusalem, the more concentrated and abundant such artifacts become.

Indeed there are even one million artifacts just on display. In short, no Mecca before the 4th century - no Kaaba before the 5th century = no Islam.

Based on extensive historical and archaeological evidence presented by Dr. Rafat Amari, Mecca was built around the 4th century, by the
Yemeni tribe of Khuzaa'h, that had migrated to that bleak barren desert wasteland. The Kaaba was constructed by Asa’d Abu Karb in
the early 5th century A.D., when the black stone made it's way to Mecca, most likely also from Yemen. It is said that prior to the construction of the Kaabah, a tent existed on the spot where it was built.

Geographers and historians from antiquity, note even small Arabian settlements before the Christian era that came and went within a few
centuries, and while the historical accounts about, and artifacts from, ancient settlements confirm the existence of each other, there is no
reference to Mecca or it's Kaaba to be found. This even though it was eventually built on one of the most established trading routes in
Arabia about which historical record abounds, and in spite of the Muslim claims that Mecca was the center of the Islamic faith, for thousands of years before Mohammed.

If this were the case, Mecca would certainly have been one of the most written about Arabian cities, by those early geographers and historians.
There are references to lots of other temples, and even to a great temple "highly revered by all the Arabs”, that was of the Bythemaneas, located near Ilat in the Aqaba gulf area. Even Mohammed's own tribe, the Quraish went on Hajj, or pilgrimage, to places to the north twice a year, long after the Kaaba in Mecca was built, indicating that the Kaaba in Mecca was a lesser temple. One of the journeys during the summer was to the city of Taif where there was also a temple called Kaabah of Ellat, or Kaabah of the Sun. "This Kaabah was more significant and much older than the Kaabah of Mecca. All Arabs, including the tribe of Quraish from which Mohammed came, venerated this Kaabah."

, to be continued,
Religion / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by cgift(m): 4:44pm On Aug 19, 2010
Your rejoinder is muddled up. I cant read it because you have quoted or unquoted your responses wrongly. Could you please correct that so that I can see explicitly which is your response in all of what you have written.

I will however take the pleasure of recapitulating key highlights of my submission:

The only thing I see here is that the words of Mohammad has made him an undisputable lunatic because they are widely at variance with all written historical records -e.g. how can he say that Noah's flood took place in Moses' days (Sura 7:136, compare 7:59ff)? Was he high on drugs or what? Furthermore, he could not even substantiate his claim on the reception of the quran which made him to give 3 different accounts:

1. We are first told that allah came to Mohammed in the form of a man and that Mohammad saw him sadSura 53:2-18)
2. Then we are told that it was the Holy Spirit that came to Mohammad (Sura 16:102; 26:192-194)
3. The last and the most popular version is that it was the angel Gabriel who delivered the Quran to him (Sura 2:97). May be angel Gabriel is your own the Holy Spirit Undecided

Again, I cant that kind of man and his book seriously?

Also, take time to read through the image shown here. It will form a very good bed story for you - one of what you might regard as a conspiracy but which remains what will change some people's views forever:

Religion / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by cgift(m): 8:48am On Aug 19, 2010
nopuqeater:

I hope everyone is reading this guy? he said salvation and jumped to sin,

Why wont you be confused ? Its not your fault. Thats why aletheia said that quran's concept of sin, love, righteousness lacks clarity and genuiness and hope is grossly flawed. You nopuqeater really have no hope of the future cos there is nothing that cleanses you of your sins (both original and your own, nothing gives you the ability to stay righteous, nothing gives you the assurance of salvation. If Mohammad did not know what allah was going to do with him, I then wonder what hope you have.

Let me remind you, this cyber-war is not Jihad or fatwa o  grin So, dont think you have the same rewards as getting on a commercial plane with some bombs strapped to your loins and blowing it up.  grin This cyber-war cannot assure you of your lewd and endless sex with how many virgins and endless drinking of wine in your "dream jannah".  Ashawo paradise grin So, my advice, get on the next plane and cut some jews down  grin (kidding)


Today, snakes are pets. and humans dont crush their heads, at least not all of them. Some snakes are imported to fight the rodent epidemic, or problems that farmers have. Are snakes all bad? Are snakes devils? Of course, those who own them as pets will say no. And by the way, when you intentionally inconvenient a creation that does not bother you, thats a sin. Can a snake in the whole that you pee in not jut strike out at you, and hurt you? Dont pee in a snake hole is a sound advise.

Even my 4 year old daughter will  cringe at this hogwash of a response.  grin I could pee in a hole of rats abi ? grin


if you know what disease one wing carries, you will find the antidote, on the other. that reality. And many muslims, and am one of those who practice it.

al-ilah a-koro-ba !!!

the first bold tells us that Jesus of the Bible was a sinner,


Where in the bible did you read that ? Or you want to quote the Lords prayer again ? grin

In case you might have missed it: i will still bring my last post to the fore:

You obviously dont believe in all that Jesus said according to the Bible right ? Now, when Jesus said is the Way, the Truth and the Life and that nobody comes to the Father except by Him. He states it explicitly that Salvation is found in no one else ut only through Him. Now you have a problem with that right ?

Jesus came at about 600 years ealier than Mohammed and operated His ministry for about 3 years on earth and the Bible is what captured all of His sayings while on earth. Now, if I have quoted Jesus saying for instance

John 6: 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day and this:

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. and also this:

Matthew 14: 15

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

And then you come back to cunter all of His sayings that they are not correct and all of that, I then will ask you this simple question:

Seeing that the Quran did not capture even 2% of Jesus' ministry on earth, on what/which authority and against what source are you raising your objections ? Do you have any reference material in your Quran or Hadiths that capture the activities and events of Jesus' ministry from the age of 30 to 33 ?

This is my submission: if you dont have any records of his ministry's events, how then can you claim that what he has said is wrong and not correct ?  Undecided I would have expected that the Quran would cover all of the activities of Jesus' ministries, words, actions, and events for only then can you come and start comparing stories and records before making valuable judgements on whether  Jesus' stories are mere fables or not in comparison to the same stories but ascaptured in the quran. The only thing I see here is that the words of Mohammad has made him an undisputable lunatic because they are widely at variance with all written historical records -e.g. how can he say that Noah's flood took place in Moses' days (Sura 7:136, compare 7:59ff)? Was he high on drugs or what?  Furthermore, he could not even substantiate his claim on the reception of the quran which made him to give 3 different accounts:

1. We are first told that allah came to Mohammed in the form of a man and that Mohammad saw him sadSura 53:2-18)
2. Then we are told that it was the Holy Spirit that came to Mohammad (Sura 16:102; 26:192-194)
3. The last and the most popular version is that it was the angel Gabriel who delivered the Quran to him (Sura 2:97). May be angel Gabriel is your own the Holy Spirit  Undecided

So, how can i take that kind of man and his book seriously?

Let me summarize:

If you have the records of Jesus' sayings, actions, and events during his earthly ministry, produce them and lets start our discussions from there. If you dont, you are restricted to what the Bible has recorded that He said and did. And if that is the case, please, I beg of you, never disclaim anything Jesus said again when it is lifted from the Bible cos you dont have any proof of what He said outside of the Bible else you will only be showing yourself as silly, ignorant and arguing for the sake of it without facts.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. Jesus says emphatically He is the Light of the World. . Follow Him, he will reveal his love into your heart. You have never experienced true love before, taste and see that the Lord Jesus is good. Experience Him, you will be hooked and wished you had known Him earlier.

Remember, Jesus is Alive!!! Mohammad is Dead!!!!!
Religion / Re: Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Christ Is Not God by cgift(m): 6:02pm On Aug 18, 2010
grin

You guys are on serious rampage grin I can feel it right from my computer screen. You must be very angry grin Ok. take it easy nopuqeater, vedaxcool and chakula. Make una take am easy. i no want make una blood vessels go rupture o.

Let me bring you guys further home:

Mark 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Those were Jesus' words. That is why I will never waste my time in trying to prove that Jesus is God to you. I dont ever expect you to understand that because I know that it is a sheer waste of time. You cannot never comprehend spiritual things cos there is nothing spiritual in Islam. Its just a culture of 7th century Arabia that Mohammad packaged into a book and gave you as scriptures. So, its the Holy Spirit of God Himself that will take time out to speak to your hearts.

Back to our points:

You obviously dont believe in all that Jesus said according to the Bible right ? Now, when Jesus said is the Way, the Truth and the Life and that nobody comes to the Father except by Him. He states it explicitly that Salvation is found in no one else ut only through Him. Now you have a problem with that right ?

Jesus came at about 600 years ealier than Mohammed and operated His ministry for about 3 years on earth and the Bible is what captured all of His sayings while on earth. Now, if I have quoted Jesus saying for instance

John 6: 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day
and this:

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: [/b]he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, [b]but shall have the light of life. and also this:

Matthew 14: 15

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


And then you come back to cunter all of His sayings that they are not correct and all of that, I then will ask you this simple question:

Seeing that the Quran did not capture even 2% of Jesus' ministry on earth, on what/which authority and against what source are you raising your objections ? Do you have any reference material in your Quran or Hadiths that capture the activities and events of Jesus' ministry from the age of 30 to 33 ?

This is my submission: if you dont have any records of his ministry's events, how then can you claim that what he has said is wrong and not correct ? undecided I would have expected that the Quran would cover all of the activities of Jesus' ministries, words, actions, and events for only then can you come and start comparing stories and records before making valuable judgements on whether Jesus' stories are mere fables or not in comparison to the same stories but ascaptured in the quran. The only thing I see here is that the words of Mohammad has made him an undisputable lunatic because they are widely at variance with all written historical records -e.g. how can he say that Noah's flood took place in Moses' days (Sura 7:136, compare 7:59ff)? Was he high on drugs or what? Furthermore, he could not even substantiate his claim on the reception of the quran which made him to give 3 different accounts:

1. We are first told that allah came to Mohammed in the form of a man and that Mohammad saw him sadSura 53:2-18)
2. Then we are told that it was the Holy Spirit that came to Mohammad (Sura 16:102; 26:192-194)
3. The last and the most popular version is that it was the angel Gabriel who delivered the Quran to him (Sura 2:97). May be angel Gabriel is your own the Holy Spirit undecided

So, how can i take that kind of man and his book seriously?

Let me summarize:

If you have the records of Jesus' sayings, actions, and events during his earthly ministry, produce them and lets start our discussions from there. If you dont, you are restricted to what the Bible has recorded that He said and did. And if that is teh case, please, I beg of you, never disclaim anything Jesus said again when it is lifted from the Bible cos you dont have any proof of what He said outside of the Bible else you will only be showing yourself as stupid, ignorant and arguing for the sake of it without facts.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: [/b]he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, [b]but shall have the light of life. Jesus says emphatically He is the Light of the World. . Follow Him, he will reveal his love into your heart. You have never experienced true love before, taste and see that the Lord Jesus is good. Experience Him, you will be hooked and wished you had known Him earlier.

Remember, Jesus is Alive!!! Mohammad is Dead.

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