Yisraylite,

I thought your religion would have something like this embedded ? : Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. Or since you believe so much in the Torah, you will probably get a ram to atone for your unkind words against your fellow human?

Queshion: Is faith linked to intelligence?

Answer: NO!

Else all the great scientists we have ever had will decry God vehemently. On the oposite, they were actually very firm believers. Check out the factsd in history.
Unless you want to say those guys are not intelligent and then i wil know that your grey matter has expired.

Jagoon:

Interesting
@darkmatter
So how do you know these are facts

HE has traced his lineage back to Annuki his great gran gran father who ministered the "facts" to him. Awon ode osi

imhotep:

Those UEFA guys spend all their money alone.

My guys in Nigeria keep falling over themselves --- all for nothing.

if na only falling e for beta: this one pass falling cross into killing.

nwakaibe:

Football looks stupid to me. Imagine 22 men chasing a round leather object around a pitch while three other grown men act as officiating officials. Then the worst is the crowd.Yelling and ranting for more. Bo football yeye pass eba.

this made my day! I never really thought of it this way? If only a tenth of the passion people have for football in this country is channelled towards development, Nigeria for better pass Dubai!

syrup:

@huxley,

Thank you for being an admirable gentleman. I have learnt much from our exchanges. But hey, don't be overloaded with the big words. . . they rub off on us gradually.

Best wishes.

Syrup, i belive you are "1Pe 2:11 reborn. Please confirm. Welcome back! I guess some of us can read in between the lines,

Pastor AIO:

From what little I know of human psychology I do not expect Olabowale to change his mentality after reading this. Why? Because humans don't like being challenged like that. Even if he did see your point he would consider it a loss of face to concede.

I also think that if you mean well in trying to explain to him christianity that you could adopt a less adversarial tone. This is not about who wins, or one up manship. This is about truth and salvation.

Point!

A simple question for Pastor AIO:

Would you prefer that you remain poor (as a Christian) and always in want and depend on someone else who is an unbeliever? In all my studies of the scriptures i have not seen a place where is said i should lack. The bible is a whole book teaching you all the secrets of life including financial prosperity asides soul prosperity.

Wisdom is the principal thing, the Bible says, in all thy getting, get understanding. How do you prosper in life without wisdom and the power to get wealth. That you are a christian does not mean that you automatically become a millionaire in financial terms. You must acquire knowledge and skills to be relevant and impact your world positively by meeting needs of all kinds.

What then i the advantage of being a christain you might ask since i can always get all the knowledge and skills required to make it by being even an infidel? Well, i will answer you that asides the physical and spiritual benefits of direction, the guaranty of a place of rest is most important.

I for one thank God for what impact i have been able to make in the lives of men financially by being their keeper. This is no boast or pride but it has made me seen the reason why i am blessed: to bless others and this my wife supports me generously in doing. I then imagine, how people (even christain brethren) would have made it through life in great difficulty at that point when they needed help most.

So, i would prefer they teach me nuggets for wealth that is biblical whie still teaching me to stay focussed. Indeed, needs if not met can kill even a Pastor so, what is the glory in having not enough to bless others?

Whenever i read from the likes of Ghaffaru et al, my heart skips because i know this is another terrorist in the making. I only pray that Jesus Chrost will preserve the lives of our brothers in Ilorin. My heart goes tothose who have lost someone in the volatile (Isl'amic) parts of Nigeria. I just wonder why emotions prevails over sense and judgment.

OLAADEGBU:

I've got a formula that explains the duality of Christ:

"The Son of God became the Son of Man so as to make man become the sons and daughters of God." QED

apt! Simple maths dem no fit understand

When a man is chosen of God, let him deny His existence from now till tomorrow. when God finally gets set to catch the man, there is no hiding place. Leave all those who deny His existence, there are thousands of them that were once like that but when God dealt with them and sought after them, they knew it was a serious matter. Time will certainly tell.

olabowale:

@M_nwankwo: It is evident from your writing that it is nothing but a Lodge, Ogboni or Resicusshian (I hope my spelling is correct on the last), What else could it be. You claim that you never post from the Bible, didn't you? Remember that.

Not that I care. You have your appointed time, just like I have mine. Hopefully, I will live for another 80 years, and be strong with full faculty even then. But definitely, I will die after all of that. I will spend longer period in the ground and then I will be raised up, for Judgement day. Everyone will be responsible for his/her own soul. Even jesus will be responsible for his own soul. He will not even be able to discharge the responsibility that you are attaching to him, in your effort to usurp the position of his Lord the Creator, as his own.

The reality will set in then and definitely, you will see the errors of your way.

A i tete m'ole, ole n mu oloko, This is actually the other way round cos there is simply nothing in hiss-slam that guarantees salvation or holds a promise of a balanced tomorow order than bread, wine and sex for the men only.

Why is it difficult for you to put the address or location of your outlet?

nne, ~Lady~,

let me help you bring your question to the 4:

So why then was it pointed out repeatedly that the covenant was with the Children of Isreal.

Surah 2:41
O Children of Israel! remember My favours which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me, I will fulfil My covenant with you, and Me alone should you fear.

Surah 2:48
2:48] O Children of Israel! remember My favours which I bestowed upon you and that I exalted you above the peoples of the time

Answer my next questions.

If the covenant was with Ishmeal, why are the Prophets from Isaac's bloodline?
So God would make a promise to Frizy, but give it to Olabowale?

3.Did Jesus say that he would die and rise again?

oya, who get liver[b], babs, bowale, frizy[/b], see challenge ! oya, scatter your dada?

imhotep:


Arabs were present at the feast of Pentecost, and they heard the disciples of Jesus speaking in 'their' tongue.


Acts 2:5-11 =>

5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.
6 And when this sound was heard, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speaking in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying, Behold, are not all these that speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we, every man in our own language wherein we were born?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, in Judaea and Cappadocia, in Pontus and Asia,
10 in Phrygia and Pamphylia, in Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and sojourners from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretans and Arabians, we hear them speaking in our tongues the mighty works of God.



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These Arabs were ancestors of Moh@mmed. They heard the 12 disciples and believed in Jesus. Moh@mmed came to manipulate them for his own religio-political motives --- 540 years after Pentecost!

IMHOTEP,

that was a good one. . It never really occurred to me you know? Lets see how Olabowale counters that. Preempting him, he could say that the Arabs in that passage are not true arabs or that the writers of the bible smuggled that in to deride the arabs?

Lets watch.

~Lady~,

Nice summary

babs787:

@ poster

Please, try to lay your hands on one and read for understanding and I am sure you will gain a lot.

Honestly, it will help you strengthen your Christian faith when you start seeing some absurdities in the book and you immediately know the second day of reading it that its not worth the time cos 1) Their Qurihan authenticates the bible and asks the mooslims to consult us to verify their qurihan and if they are not sure of some things that MO, their prophet was telling them 2) it explicitly declares Jesus as the Messiah (though they deny that it is not for the whole world) 3) It also reveals that their book is not god-sent as it belittles intelligence and mocks scholarship.

Frizy:

From the chapter above we learn that swine flesh is unclean and unlawful.

So eaters of ham-burgers take note.

Walk into a McDonalds, and whenever you find someone eating a hamburger, snatch it off his mouth and deal him a dirty blow Nonsense! Keep yourselves perpetually in bondage till Al'-ilah destroys and leads you to your compulsory hell !

babs787:

@Cgift

Hope you are not trying to deceive yourself by preferring KJV to other versions?

So if your KJV happens to be the best, what happened to missing verses in other versions but present in KJV an funny enough, these verses present in KJV version cannot be found in original manuscript?

What happened to versions before KJV and please do you want me to take you to the preface of your KJV and its defect?

see who is talking You probably seem to have forgotten the sayins of MO that were written on leaves and tree barks only for goats to cart them away or the ones written on bones and walls that rain swept away? So much for a complete book in the qurian. By the way, you point fingers at one book claiming its missing and refuse to acknowledge that your MO even gave way to Shaitan to allow Shaitan speak and document through him in the Satanic verses. Have you forgotten the three daughters of all'ah or simply playing oblivion?

Your hide and seek game cannot work with me gentleman. Nevertheless, let me address your worries:

Be gentlemanly enough to allow sleeping dogs lie. When i say i use the KJV, i mean every word of it cos i know the extent to which detractors went with sponsoring other variant versions and doctoring it to suite their purpose. NWT (New World transltion) for instance was sponsored and being used by the Jehovah Witnesses (we have a pile of issues against them cos were not in agreement). RSV and some others apart from the KJV have Catholic Stunts in them. So, some of us know what is happening and have decided to stay put with the KJV regardless of any human or typographical errors you might spot there in.

Al the best my guy

olabowale:

@Cgift: Ismail and M.uha.mmad. You remember the Yoruba proverb about multiple birth? I will apply the same here. The Yorubas spoke well. They said the last took the leadership from the first to be born. "Akeyinde (Kehinde) gbagba lowo ako de (Taiye)! See? Mu.ha.mm.ad is ever the leader of all the prophets and messengers!

Little wonder your history is empty and boring. Okay. Tell us Ismail's prophecies and let us see. What is then the correlation between the Moses and all other Prophets that Christians preach about today and your Ishmael?

olabowale:

@Backslider: I am laughing at you. Your most high was the one who was staked on the cross? If he could not defeat those crudely armed mob, how is he going to be able to stand the warring of a modern day well equiped man? He will be doomed again in equal time as before or faster,you see. Except he was not the true MOST HIGH.

Why worshipping in another way like the Onisangos or the Aborishas of the Yorubas? It reminds of Salvadorian people of Brazil who are still pursuing their Yoruba agenda in all things including worship. They now call Yamaja, yemaya, and a veriety other Yoruba religions, mixing them with a splice of Christianity. The Cuban and the Panamanians, etc are just the same.

I don't think these people actually vie too far off from christianity; they have an intercessor (the idol) and they call it their savior. Backslider, I continue to invite you to I.s,lam, the same way I invited Ndidi, who immediately reverted, Bola who took a longer time to accept and my mother who finally did. The door of the mercy of Al Rahman is wide and is open. Accept guidance and be benefitted. Jesus will never be able to save you. It is a guarantee from The TRue Most High.

Stinking drivels.

Yet again you run away from the questions and charge of moral-bankruptcy filed against your prophet's plagiarism skills who could not even substantiate or was perhaps not proud of the heritage of Ishmael and his descendants and rather preferred to dwell on the heritage of the Jews he now curses through his blind followers.


4Him's hypocrisy charge against you fits you to a T. Do you care to tell us why you have no prophets, visioneers, a good history that your prophet could make reference to? Why stake claim on the Jewish prophets' calling and history?


I trust that you will duck the question. For one thing, it exposes the fallacies of Islam and immediately portrays MO as a cheat who had no revelation which culminated in his inability to even defend his calling by giving four disparate and different accounts of his call each contradicting the other! O ma se o.

olabowale:

From the Q.u.r'an, we see that his prophesy is that all prophets shall come from his bloodline, after him. [b]Now tell me if there is a prophet after Ibrahim that is not from bloodline, be it the branche of his first son who was at sometime the only son, Ismail, and Isiaq the second son who is the son of the first and older wife Sarah? [/b]This prophesy alone and all his prayers were 100% true and in truth.

Can you challenge me? Please top that!

At least we are all aware of the fact that all the prophets we all lay claim to today were Israelites whom we call Jews today. Further probing shows that they were descendants of Isaac whom you call Isiaq. Can you please list the prophets from the descent of Ishmael your origin? Do you have any Arab prophets that you mooslims can lay claim to? Why do you lay claim to the Jewish prophets whom today you now call apes, monkeys and pigs? Dont you sense a deep-seated hypocrisy in the demeanor of your prophet?

Step out of the septic tank you get yourself into! Orishi rishi! Awon arale nko o? Bami ki won o.

Alaafia la wa! Ma a jise

m_nwakwo,

you know what, you have finally succeeded in making the esoteric relationship more enigmatic

Thank you

One point you made which i buy into is this :

Therefore information about Trinity can only be brought to Man if God choose to reveal it.

inspired_m:

2007 Car with 35,000 miles in my own opinion has been excessively driven

3.5m is a good deal.

Thanks

why is yours a bit higher than viperman's?

inspired_m:

Still Available

Send me the VIN of the car first. I need to check it up.

~Lady~,


You have docked all my attempt to make you publish your findings in the book i recommended for you to read, i.e., Dignity & Duties of the Priests? Care to discuss your findings? At least just break my assertion that Priests are permitted to fall(sin a-any kind) at most once in a month making 12 times in a year and it would be overlooked according to the teachings of St. Alphosus Liguori. You are yet to debunk my claim. Should i assume that it is the truth and nothing but the truth?

If it is the truth, will that not rather support my line of argument all these while that the Priests in the Catholic Church be allowed to marry in other to reduce the pedophile tendencies and lawsuits running into billions of dollars? I hope i have asked mildly?

Do you have the boldness to share it and give us what you think is the valid rationale for this "doctrinal" error passed down to your priests? Like i said earlier in one of my rebuttals, if you can refute my claim and diffuse my mind, i will stop posting anything against catholics on this and other forums. Hope it is a fair deal?

, Can you recall this post? Just bringing it to the fore for you and your cronies to behold the "yet-to-be-disproved" deceitful nature of the Vatican.

samba123:

@4Him

do you really like to trace the lineage of Ishmael 4000 years back?

or you just like to make a non sense diversion the story of Barnabas?

Take the first challenge head-on if you dare

The second poser? well, i thought we had already established the fact the so-called gospel of barnabas is a fraud. Where were you all this while? Start reading from the beginning friend.

4Him, you are making so much sense. Fire on. These guys are just not getting it!

olabowale:

@Cgift: What was Jesus if he was not a Prophet? Was it not in your Bible that Jesus said that a prophet has no honor in his own house, while he referred to himself?

Bros, take it easy. read my post very well again. I never said Jesus was not a prophet. I said "He was not only [/b]a prophet"

olabowale:

What was Jesus except that he was a human being since he referred to himself as son of man? We agree that Jesus was a Massiah, but tow whom, except that he was to the Children of Israel, alone. Did you not find this written in your Bible?

Yes he was a human being, yet He knew the mind of God and gave full expression of the image of God. He said I and My Father are one! Anyways, there is no need wasting time on his divinity and oneness with God. [b]You can never understand and i would not even try to make you understand.

olabowale:

And please tell me the prophesies of Ibrahim or/and Jo (what do you mean by jo?), that are in the Bible and I will tell you what is in the Q.u.r'an,. We will compare and see which book is better and comprehensive.

That is why we do not refer to Abraham as a prophet as christians. We however refer to him as the friend of God. If you want to know the prophets, i think i will recommend Elijah, Elisha, Isaiah, and the likes. Not Abraham. Do you care to list Abrahamic prophecies in the Qurihan for us?

olabowale:

The reason traditional religion leadership or for lack of better words "Witch Doctors," are still in existence is that sometimes what they say to their believers are true in the lives of these people. But the truth about these thing is more illusion and there is no reality to it. Its like magic. It is a slight of hand. All are terrible shows. If the razzle dazzle in the churches are signs of success to you, then wait till the time of death.

Keep consoling yourself.

babs787:

@Cgit

The above is in King James Version authorised in 1611 and formed the strongest evidence for the Doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, 'the father, the word and the holy ghost; and these three are one' has been expunged in the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 and in many other bibles as it was a gloss that had encroached on the Greek test.


I john 5 v 7 and 8 in the New American Standard Bible read as follows; 'and it is the spirit who bears witness because the spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the spirit, and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement.


Also in the New World Translation of Holy Scriptures used by Jehovah Witness, you will find 'for there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement'.


Trinity is not biblical, it is not even in the bible, not in bible dictionaries, Jesus never taught trinity nor mentioned same. There is no basis or proof in the bible for the acceptance of trinity.

Lastly, i you still do not agree to my posts on trinity, let me know then I give you some verses from your bible going against trinity and you provide explanation on same

We know the people behind the various confusing translations of the bible. We know their attempt to create divisions and confusion in the church of Christ. You will not know all these or perhaps you know but will deliberately conceal it and use it to advance your own argument. To anyone who is interested in knowing Christ through his words, the KJV is the way to go. So, start and end with the KJV that is my own base for a debate.