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JOACHINpedro:
Guy you fit gift me ₦1000, my travel money never complete

Mercychen:
It is a gift according to the Bible. Not something you learn how to do.

Some denominations do claim it can be learned but that's not true because that was not how the people of old got ( through Learning). They got it in an instant and that was how I got mine too.

So anybody telling you to say as I say. That is... Trying to teach you some patterned syllables and claiming it's speaking in tongues is fake!

Mine came instantly and even when I tried to suppress it because I felt I was sounding weird, it didn't go back or stop. Rather with every new wave I felt it flow effortlessly.

Till now, if I start and maybe I want to switch back to english maybe to pour out that thing bothering me in English language so I'll know I've said that part, and the wave is still there, the tongue will not give way for English until I've exhausted that session.
So it's something you can't really control. It's the power of God. It controls you.

BassReeves:
We already are having a started friendly and brotherly chat.

There is not a better thread than on this thread.
Its akin to buying time, saying to me, create a new thread.

Beloved, to the two following easy, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward request, please recognise that, it is enough and necessary that you give your answers here, on this thread you yourself created:

1. In spite of the given fact that God is beyond definition, please according to the best of your understanding, state what the meaning of what the word, God, is.
2. Please according to the best of your understanding, describe what is the extent of God's capacity, power etc

Lollittaa:
Unfortunately you're not the only one who feels that way. The ways of God are foolishness to those who think themselves wise. I know if the Lord wills, someday, He will draw you closer to Himself.

Lollittaa:
not everything is a competition, debate or proving a point. You need the Holy Spirit in your life. And one of the signs that He's around is a change of vocabulary.

BassReeves:
If to be honest, I am saying, never mind about any of that, as I understand, if you dont.

Now, beloved, please just do the honours of giving your answers to the two following easy, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward request:

1. In spite of the given fact that God is beyond definition, please according to the best of your understanding, state what the meaning of what the word, God, is.
2. Please according to the best of your understanding, describe what is the extent of God's capacity, power etc

Sheggy13:
I'm trying to let you realise that the gift of speaking in tongues doesn't have to be a human spoken language like Igbo, Yoruba, Chinese etc as you're claiming on this thread. That's why I quoted 1 Corinthians 14:2.

Sheggy13:
I've asked you to explain what Apostle Paul means in 1 Corinthians 14:2 but you're running away from that. I thought you're very confident with your explanation of the gift of speaking in tongues. You should pray earnestly for the Holy Spirit baptism as someone advised you instead of condemning what is a mystery to you.

" For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him ; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

Akuruoulo:
But when they were speaking in tongues it was only understood by the 12 of them , and no outsider understood it.
That's communication with the HOLY SPIRIT and no other man should understand it

xamiel4:
1 Corinthians 14:14
New Living Translation
For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.

Sheggy13:
That is not only the case oga. Read the Bible very well to fully understand the gift of the speaking in tongues. It's not necessarily a language that people understand as it was on the day of pentecost, rather it's even the contrary. So don't be quick to condemn what people are doing now as not speaking in tongues. Read the book of 1st Corinthians 14 especially verses 1 and 2 so you can understand better. I'll quote verse 2 here for you, See the bolded:

" For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him ; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

Ayo081:
Thanks to awaitness41, he has done justice to what the words failed me to do earlier (please ignore the verses on proverbs 8 I quoted earlier since we (I and awaitness41) are yet to reach an agreement).

Now you can compare what I posted to his and see if I did or I didn't answer any of your question.

Now to the matter of the Holy Ghost,

Note the person of the Holy Ghost was only mentioned in few bible verses in the old testament. Infact to me, I observed David mentioned the Holy Spirit cc Psalms 51.

This is to tell you that the person of the Holy Spirit wasn't just created after the birth or death of Jesus.

Infact the Holy Spirit was upon Mary the mother of Jesus. cc Luke 1:35,

John was filled with the Holy Spirit. cc Luke 1:15.

Elizabeth the mother of John was filled with the Holy Spirit. cc Luke 1:41.



Now carefully note:



The focus is on "Let us".

Jesus also gave a brief exposition on the person of the Holy Spirit.



The Holy Spirit is not an Angel. He belongs to the Father (Just like Christ belongs to the Father) and all that belongs to the Father belongs to Christ.





If this post still doesn't help, there're thousands of books on the person of the Holy Ghost. It won't be a bad idea if you do your own research on the person, functions and operations of the Holy Spirit.

Gratefulheart1:
Well, son, this is a question that bothers many and also a topic everyone might not perfectly understand, at least while on earth.

The answers to your question, which you might obtain most times would be voluminous, confusing and unconvincing eventually. That is why I would give you this brief illustration to think about.

Some concepts are simple and straight forward in life, while some are not. We can't expect everything to be simple. Same with God. If God is vast and ultimate as he is, then you can't expect every concept about him to be simple or easily understood. Even many physical things about our life, solar system etc are obscure. How much more the spiritual things about a God who made everything.

Imagine this scenario.
You're a son and you have parent. (Although grammatically, you can put 's' after parent to mean two, but in concept, it's just parent)
So, you have a parent. Your mother is your parent, your father is your parent. Both of them are your parent and either of them is your parent.
They're two, yet they're one, because a child is produced by two people. Being two doesn't make either of them lesser of a parent to you. They're just the same. One is same to you exactly as the other.
Your mother is as much parent to you, as much as your father. Your father might be viewed superior by role to your mother, yet at the same time he's still exactly the same and can be said not to be superior to your mother. None of both is a superior parent, but they're both equally parent.
When your father sends you to school is your parent sending you to school. If your mother cooks for you but your dad feels too big to go to kitchen, that doesn't make your mom an inferior parent. No!
They're two but yet they're one.
If your mother plays with you more, doesn't make her less or inferior of a parent than your father. If your mother respects your father doesn't make her less of a parent to you or less of a parent than your father. She's still as equally as a parent, as much as your father.
Your father cannot be a parent without your mother. They're two yet they're one.

This is just a scenario that gives just an idea. If God is Almighty, can't he exhibit Himself in different 'forms' and 'roles' to achieve his plans?
In science fiction movies, we see same person exhibiting in different forms and roles at the same time, yet it's same person. And we see different persons exhibiting as a single person.
In forbidden kingdom, one strand of hair from Monkey King became Jet Li, and was later united back to it's superior self at the end of movie. Same creature exhibited in different forms. Monkey King is the real version and might be viewed superior but he's still Jet Li. Same creature, different roles, different hierarchy, different exhibitions.
If God is spiritual, then don't expect every concept about him to be too basic or physical concepts.

Bishopkingsley:
God is all powerful

God has ability to be in heaven and equally be on earth at the same time

God has the power to be every where at the same time

That is why you are confused when he is on earth in body form and

Equally be in heaven speaking

BassReeves:
This will be a futile and pointless endeavour to clear your seeming doubts, if you would NOT honestly, frankly, sincerely and truthfully give clear, direct and unequivocal answers to all questions asked you on this post.

The questions to kick off with are:
1. In spite of the given fact that God is beyond definition, please according to the best of your understanding, state what the meaning of what the word, God, is.
2. Please according to the best of your understanding, describe what is the extent of God's capacity, power etc

The person who made the pronouncement, “this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased" when John baptized him in the Jordan, was God, the Father.

For your information, ‘father..why have you forsaken me’ sic is incorrectly translated and so is a mistranslation. David said 'lama azabtani' (i.e. why have you forsaken me?) while Jesus said 'lama sabachthani' (i.e sacrificed me for this) as the suffix “thani” means: 'you do this to me' and 'zabach' with a short definition, alludes to slaughter(s) for sacrifice. Jesus' one of His last seven spoken words while hung on the cross dying was 'My God, My God, this is what I died for' or ' ... I am slaughtered for sacrifice'

Here's a brief lowdown about "nashatani" and "sabachthani"

"Nashatani" and "sabachthani" are both Aramaic. "Nashatani" is the Aramaic word for the Hebrew word "azabtani", where in Psalms 22:1, it is correctly translated as the English word "forsaken." however it is worth noting, that, Jesus deliberating DID NOT quote Psalms 22:1 verbatim, blindly or directly but consciously changed or switched language and used the Aramaic "sabachthani", so as to make the distinction from the Aramaic "nashatani"

Now here the interesting part, which is, if Jesus had wanted to say He was forsaken by God, then Jesus would have used "nashatani" and not "sabachthani" so Jesus, called His Father, My God, instead of My Father, simply, because He was paraphrasing the beginning of Psalm 22 (i.e. Psalm 22:1) just like He paraphrased the end of Psalm 22 (i.e Psalm 22:31) too.

Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb of God

Of course, He is God, and this is the reason why its very important to recognise the fact that God is a Spirit, meaning God is incorporeal
Now, if the most important position of God is His right hand side position, then the only way for humans to physically perceive God in that position with eyes, is by Jesus, and who incidentally has physique that can be seen with eyes

John 1:1
'In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ),
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.'

John 17:3
'Now this is eternal life:
that they may know You, the only true [supreme and sovereign] God,
and [in the same manner know] Jesus [as the] Christ whom You have sent.'

chatinent, what came first? Please list in ascending order what came first from the following:
chatinent, the person, chatinent, the son, chatinent, the husband or chatinent, the father etc?

Also who is the author of the word(s) typed in the original post of this thread?
What is name of the writer of those words in OP?

Matthew 4:5-7
'5Then the devil took Him into the holy city [Jerusalem] and placed Him on the pinnacle (highest point) of the temple.
6And he said [mockingly] to Him,
“If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written,
‘HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU [to serve, care for, protect and watch over You]’;
and
‘THEY WILL LIFT YOU UP ON their HANDS, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.’”
7Jesus said to him,
“On the other hand, it is written and forever remains written,
‘YOU SHALL NOT TEST THE LORD YOUR GOD.’”'

People give the devil extremely more credit than the devil deserves. There are so many things in heaven that the devil is not privy to. Not knowing that Jesus is God, is one of the things the devil was not aware of and/or doesn't want to admit to

chatinent , please notice in Matthew 4:7 above response, the kindly comeback word of warning Jesus gave the devil, reminding the devil not to try test the Lord his God.

Deuteronomy 6:4
'“Hear, O Israel!
The LORD is our God, the LORD is one [the only God]!'

There is one God. Numerically speaking there is one God.

It would be similar to however ways chatinent deems to manifest chatinent, whether in word thought or deeds, there is one chatinent, only chatinent

Lollittaa:
since what they say is rubbish, which one do you now speak? Instead of criticising, ask the Holy Ghost to baptise you with the gift of tongues.

Ayo081:
Brother, it is the power in the trinity.

I don't know how to explain without allowing the bible give the exposition. So I won't become a liar.

Please read carefully the below quoted and pray for understanding.







It's just like asking how come all who are led by the spirit are sons of God.

Please pay attention to the bellow carefully.



Now see



Now Christ said

10mobile:
Yesterday, Miyetti Allah mocked the Southern governors saying that an anti-open grazing law didn't succeed in bringing peace to Benue. They also said that they knew that they won't speak in one voice. Miyetti Allah is a global terrorist group. So, why didn't Mynd44 mock and lock the threads? Answer me.

You too...

Show me the hate speech contained in the thread I cited. And, what hate speech is worse than Miyetti Allah, a global terrorist group, making open statement to mock a regional group of elected governors?

10mobile:
Nairaland is against secessionist ambitions, yes. So, also is Nairaland against terrorism. So, how many times have they locked news about BH, killer herders, ISIS, Taliban, etc?

A mod is entitled to his opinion but not entitled to suppress other people's opinion while doing so. That's tyranny.

Has he gone against any rule? Yes, he has gone against rules bigger than Nairaland. He has gone against fundamental ethics of freedom of information. The news he has suppressed is fairly harmless and true.

SlayerForever:
^{...Bookmark this post, by 2022 these mods I mentioned to you will come out to write why Tinubu is the best option for Nigeria president}. Umu udene nwuruanwu.

Crossroad1:
Let's leave redpill aside for now..
It is very hard to break up with someone you truly love, someone you've gotten so much attached to especially when you have kid or kids together..
You will try your best to endure and endure and endure untill your can can no longer can..
Imagine a relationship of 5-10yrs going down the drain..
Now imagine what you've shared and what you've been through

motymop:
Stop defending nonsense.

fuckingAyaya:
u don ready to go back to village?