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Now you have changed it to rarely thank God we're making progress.

Well the reason why it's 'rarely' deployed now is because PMB has decided to act like a democrat. You seriously think he couldn't have removed Fayose and Wike if he wanted to?

donstan18:
I wasn’t arguing about having the power, I said they rarely, hardly ever interfere in State government issues.

Guy did you read the links?

All this whattaboutism to dodge the answer staring you in the face.

Was Ihedioha impeached? If I used the example of Ngige you would have had a point because there were rumors OBJ wanted him removed but his was a court judgment.

All these guys I posted links for where removed in a mago mago way (won't lie I supported OBJ for this action) with the police being used as instruments to carry out the fait accompli because he knew the governors could mobilize support to twart the impeachment.

GEJ tried that stunt with Ameachi using the then police commissioner Mbu but e no know say Rotimi himself na proper.

Honestly many of the current governors don't know what they are enjoying under PMB because the kind stunts wey some of them they pull they won't have tried it under OBJ.

Can you imagine Edo governor Obaseki locking out opposition members from the state assembly and OBJ will just be looking at you?

donstan18:
So these links showed evidence and proofs that Obasanjo did them?

It’s then safe to say Buhari removed Emeka Ihedioha.

Sigh

https://saharareporters.com/2006/11/13/governor-joshua-dariye-impeached

https://thenationonlineng.net/2006-impeachment-saga-darkest-moment-of-my-life-fayose/

https://www.nairaland.com/3707/bayelsa-state-dsp-alamieyeseigha-impeached

These are just few examples

donstan18:
You of all people should have listed when and when Obasanjo heavily interfered in State government issues?

You have answered the question. FG wants to get rid of IPOB, Wike wants to get rid of IPOB isn't it logical they would give Wike full support to get the job done? No be Buhari ban IPOB before?

But let Wike try and use police to harass APC members in Rivers then you will know what's up.

donstan18:
How did Wike stop IPOB and ESN terrorism in Rivers state?

Governor wey wan stop rubbish for en state, go stop am.

I believe you must be a young guy in your early to mid-twenties for you to have mentioned the bold because no one who was old enough during the OBJ days would say that.

donstan18:
I sincerely do not think I’ve ever seen federal government interfere in state government issues. I might be wrong, but it hardly happen, not like they don’t have the power, but they rarely do, hardly ever do, reason I initially asked why some of you believed the police was reporting to OBJ over state politics issues in 2006 and not Tinubu.

Police answers to Abuja. Just because the FG government looks the other way doesn't change that fact.

If the state has so much control over the police in their domain what stopped the police in Benue from stopping herdsmen killing that year shebi the governor controls them?

donstan18:
I know about the Army not answering the Governor, but police??

Nobody is sure of anything but as a logical human being I go by evidence to come to my conclusion.

If Harverzt ends up only scoring 6 goals and providing 4 assists at the end of the season no jupiter will then come and say he's a generational talent because certain chelsea fans said so

donstan18:
There’s no evidence, yea I know.

But I want to know why you’re so sure a politician didn’t kill.

Whether state government is in the know or not FG is still in charge. As a policeman you might enjoy favours in the state you're posted to but it's FG that will determine how your career will pan out. At the end of the day power pass power. There's no way even if there was an attempted cover up on Tinubu's part that OBJ won't have deployed his full federal might including police to deal with him. In football terms that's akin to a tap in 2 inches out.

donstan18:
I understand you but you didn’t get my point, I mean... You mean police will skip reporting to the Governor on state government issue to report to the President?

State government issues?

We're talking police matter you're mentioning court

Is Presidency in charge of judiciary?

donstan18:
I rate Governors high in their states. Maybe it’s just me.

I’ve seen Wike challenge Federal Government concerning TAX stuff or so and they did nothing to him.

So I should say he did commit murder when there's no remotely clear evidence he did?

So I'm a good citizen if I believe a politician did something wrong when evidence suggests otherwise?

donstan18:
What’s actually giving you the mind to defend a politician when it comes to political murder?

You can't compare PMB to OBJ. When it came to dealing with governors OBJ was a tyrant. Fayose, Dariye are just a few governors that can testify to OBJ's ruthlessness. Someone that will get police to barricade state assembly buildings so that 3-6 members will impeach a governor he doesn't like.

So because PMB is doing democrat with Wike you think he can't deal with him? What stops the IGP from changing police commissioner? How did weak GEJ show Ameachi that year? Was it not police?

Army that Ameachi used in 2019 wasn't Wike crying up and down?

PMB just respects governors that's all nothing stops him from using police to treat your f-up.

donstan18:
It does matter a lot. It really does matter.

You think Rivers state police for example will skip Wike and go to Buhari for report?

It's not a low key thing it's just a clear case of giving a dog a bad name to hang it.

One thing I have noticed about Nigerians is that once we have made up our minds about someone especially the one we don't like no evidence on this planet will change your mind.

donstan18:
The reason I’ll agree to disagree on this Funsho and Bola getting killed by BAT who wanted to dominate and control SW is because there’s no concrete evidence that he did.

But lowkey, we all know the truth.

Federal government controls the police so it doesn't matter under whichever governor it was.

donstan18:
Police under which governor?

Non of the political parties back then had started serious campaigning. It wasn't like Funsho Williams was a movement who had started to gain popularity. His assassination was totally unexpected because up until that time there was no reason anyone would have wanted him dead.

The PDP aspirants were the very first suspects the police picked up.

Politics of Lagos was very petty back then with Ogunleye who was a minister under OBJ then using FERMA to harass Lagos state government agencies those were what dominated political discuss then. I don't remember Williams saying anything negative about Tinubu then it was Obanikoro and Ogunleye who were tackling BAT.

donstan18:
Was he about contesting against Tinubu before he got killed?

Tinubu to all intents and purposes wasn't involved in Funsho's matter he had already conquered Williams politically of what benefit would it be to kill him? It will be like saying Fashola would kill Agbaje when AD/AC/APC was already strong on ground. Dude don't tell me you're taking FFK seriously? Someone that called APC a supporter of APC party which the has shamelessly returned to?

How could BAT be involved in Bola Ige's assassination when the incident happened in Ibadan? What did he have to gain? Besides I know from a reputable source that BAT absolutely had no hand in Ige's death.

OBJ despised/despises Tinubu. If he had anything on Tinubu he would have used it. GEJ as weak as he was didn't he drag Asiwaju to code of conduct bureau.

Guy forget unless there is a smoking gun somewhere the accusations are just your regular political image tarnishing exercise.

donstan18:
I admire the fact you didn’t attempt to defend Tinubu in that drug bursting case.

About Funsho, you mean the president of Nigeria OBJ wouldn’t have messed BAT up if he wanted to?

The hunger for Tinubu to control Lagos is the reason Funsho and Bola got killed.

There are links, links and links accusing Tinubu too. Lots of them.

My guy till today there are still rumors of Tinubu being linked to one of those Nigerian drug capons back then which neither BAT or anyone from his camp has denied strongly.

Like I said he covered his tracks well.

The same way he has covered his tracks well since he left office in 2007. I give it to Jagaban he's a very smart man but there's too much comma about the man not to believe he isn't linked to some shady business.

GloriousGbola:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/war-on-drugs

this is why i keep going back to the fact that it was the DOJ

and this was the 90s - when there was a war on drugs and america literally invaded a sovereign country to kill pablo escobar

that is how seriously they took drugs back then.

how much tracks could bola tinubu have covered? in the west where there is an army of accountants , agents etal to investigate and prosecute cases? you think if they had the smallest shred of actionable evidence against him he would not have seen jail?

Tinubu also didn't have much motive to kill Funsho Williams.

He defeated him in the 1999 AD primaries and the 2003 Governorship elections so Funsho wasn't a serious threat to him to go as far as assassinating him.

I think you also overestimate Williams' popularity then. Yes he was a strong figure in Lagos politics but he didn't have such a big followership to defeat Tinubu. Google 'mr no bitumen' and see what comes up. Williams had his own baggage as well.

donstan18:
Tinubu had nothing to do with Funsho Williams death?

I mean the loved Yoruba Funsho Williams who about picking the Ticket to contest?

Even though the drug money laundering case didn't indict Tinubu it would be the height of naivety to believe he wasn't linked to the drug barons in one way or the other. BAT only just managed to cover his tracks.

As for Funsho Williams Asiwaju's name never came up. It was Obanikoro and Ogunleye with some others who were arrested during that period. Remember PDP was in power and wanted to capture Lagos at all cost. If OBJ had anything on BAT you can be damned sure he would have used it.

Tinubu is many things but I doubt he's a cold blooded killer. Not that I would stick out my neck though you never can tell with politicians.

donstan18:
So you’re saying this is actually a fake article and makeup stories?

https://westafricaweekly.substack.com/p/bola-ahmed-tinubu-from-drug-lord

https://twitter.com/davidhundeyin/status/1548311723584565249?s=21&t=gqFZWwc_cgfI9oIYe5Qp5g

All those screenshots are fake and made up?

You’re saying Tinubu isn’t a drug baron?

He’s wasn’t bursted to be a drug trafficker in Chicago?

These the questions I’m asking, that’s what I mean by coming out clean.

You’re actually telling us that Tinubu, in moral settings, is clean and not a criminal? To the extent of asking why he would go for Funsho? Someone that was loved In Lagos and was about winning and preventing Tinubu’s godfatherism?

Abeg if you don't cry you will laugh.

Okupe's antecedents have been public knowledge for years now, videos of him and articles everywhere on google but people are surprised?

GloriousGbola:
this is why we call them neophytes. people claim to be just learning of doyin okupe's antecedents

where were these people in 2014 - 2015?

what happens when we get the re released bombshells of how peter obi, like olu falae collected mobilization from pdp in 2015?

and probably through the same okupe?

The bombings might have been an added factor but the main reason for the SW diving fully into the war effort was the attack on Ore in Ondo State by Biafran forces.

We still have to have an honest conversation about the war. Admit our faults and move on as a people. If humanity chose to hold on to past grudges or conflicts then nobody would ever progress. Europeans and Asians have murdered and massacred each other over the past hundreds of year but today they do business with each other.

Even a disintegrated Nigeria with each of the component parts going their own way would still have to do business and be on good terms with each other.

BlueRayDick:
In July 1967 my old man escaped death by the whiskers ; Casino cinemas in Yaba was bombed that day in the wake of the war. He usually regale us of how his date not showing up on time saved him from being among the victims of the bombing.

I believe that bombing incident shaped the perception of south westerners about the war. Initially southwesterners felt like uninterested party in the war; I guess that incident changed a whole lot of things.

The Nigerian civil war is a very complex war that a whole lot of truths, half truths and falsities being peddled then and even some being mouthed till date.

Until all surviving actors in the war can come out, state their accounts, apologize where they need to and reconcile on their differences, Nigeria will continue to be a divided country

It will be a bit unfair to compare Osimhen to Haaland now because Erling right now is on a complete different level to most strikers but most elite strikers like Kane, Mbappe and even Aubameyang have great anticipation like you highlighted. These aforementioned guys despite their pace hardly get caught offside. Their position within the 18-yard box also stands them out. Moffi has a bit of that smart box movement. Look at his goal against Algeria the defender was completely unaware of were Terem was before he got to the ball. If it were Victor he would somehow have gotten offside.

Subzero047:
You don't know what you are talking about, anticipation will make you stay onside and not offside, you haven't talked about Haaland's speed of thinking, clear ball striking and positioning which he has more than Osimhen, Man City's top scorer last season De Bruyne had 15 goals and Haaland has already topped that in 2 months so no be by luck

Other than the fool part I agree with everything the first poster said Osimhen has a lot to improve on when it comes to position and movement.

Once he can get that right h will put himself in better scoring positions. Sometimes I also think his timing can be rushed at times. The one or two seconds he could have taken to pick a spot he often wastes with off target shots because he does realize he has more time than he does.

His heading is very good almost elite but his movement still needs a lot of work.

joelsteron:
This is what I keep telling people. Osimehn in a team like Man city will score pas Haaland

Sir I put it to you that you don't understand math because if you did 1 year and 6 months ago was April 2021 when Moffi had already hit double digits for the season so your Here and Now would have applied but in your usual biased manner you unlooked.

Now compare the pedigree of the players Chelsea buys and how many failed to cut it. Terem is not as good as the players who did not make it at Chelsea thats the reality

The bold is the frankly ridiculous statement you made which a poster drew your attention to without even doing any research everyone knows this assertion of yours is premium level BS. I can name so many players who have been absolutely poor at Chelsea during the Roman era that without blinking an eyelid Moffi easily surpasses.

Moffi scored 14 goals in Ligue 1 still impressive for a striker in his first season in a top flight league but in your usual short-sightedness you're already down playing him without appreciating that he's a young player who can get even better.

Like I said earlier there's no need for all this verbal gymnastics you always spew to cover your obvious ignorance just own your bias with your chest and let us here word.

komekn:
My comments were strictly in the context of him not being good enough for Chelsea.

Chelsea will in general buy World class strikers and or top forward players who are at the peak of their game in club and league.

That is the context and comparison was made with past and present strikers Chelsea has bought compared to Moffi. In this regard he is simply not good enough.

In 2021/22 Moffi was in the top 40 with just 8 goals, that is essentially, 1 year 6 month's ago
In 2020/21 he scored a total of 14 goals he was among the top 11 goal scorers. He is currently on 8 goals this season which is very good.

My opinion remains the same he is not good enough for Chelsea.

But it seems you have presented a complete distortion of facts and information to underpin your false narrative.

But why ❓❓

Congrats to Osimhen and Onyedika (just about) for qualifying with their teams for the next stage of the Champions League

I remember interviews on CNN where GEJ and Okonjo-Iweala were grilled why 400,000 barrels of crude were disappearing daily no satisfactory answer was given.

The oil industry can only be salvaged when the criminal elements are made to understand it's in everyone's interest to let things work well so that the largesse can go round.

I think Raumdeuter put it succinctly using the illustration of cooking a pot of porridge. Prepare enough to cater for 'awon boys' so that they won't distrupt your own operation and their own feeding as well.

GloriousGbola:
like i said - you know nothing

https://thenationonlineng.net/shell-we-lost-over-50m-to-oil-thieves-vandals-in-2014-2/

i told you to google nigeria oil theft, but as expected you are just waffling, falling over yourself in excitement because you are just becoming aware of a problem that has bedeviled the oil industry for the past decade.

nigeria has been designated in foreign journals as the world capital of oil theft for several years.

as others with more thinking than you have pointed out, it is a multifaceted issue involving communities, crooked business men, oil workers, security agencies .

but like Obi - your answer to the issue is a two liner - because like obi - you think it begins and ends with tapping from an oil pipeline.


at least there were no silly smileys this time. maybe you're actually attempting to grow up.

Looks like Osimhen might be involved at some point in today's match with Ajax. Saw him training alongside his teammates on the Napoli twitter handle

In these parts we can't hold 2 opinions at the same time. It must be 'either' 'or'

You don't like Obi? Then you're a Yoruba tribalist who has sold his conscience for money

You don't like Tinubu? Then you must surely be an IPOB member 'omo ale' or both

Can't wait for february to come soon enough

nihilistjnr:
Donjazet2 just come out and own your tribalism with your full chest.

Because I'm not particularly sure why the guy that said all these things about Tinubu is being described as a Tinubu supporter...

...unless its because I'm Yoruba and it fits your tribalist narrative

Exactly! Iwobi lost the ball in the middle of United's half. Everton had enough men behind to have tried and stopped Ronaldo plus the Casemiro pass was dead accurate.

Icon79:
Actually, Iwobi was NOT culpable for any of the two goals. Losing the ball close to your opponent’s 18 yard box doesn’t make you culpable if they score on the counter, the defenders ought to do their jobs. Anyone can lose the ball but the defenders have to defend.


O pari

You don't say bruv! You didn't know as of Here and Now 1 year and 6 months ago Moffi had scored 16 goals in ligue 1? The highest number of goals by a Nigerian striker in the french league but you still went ahead to say he wasn't up to par compared to others. Please give it a rest and just own your bias with your chest.

komekn:
HERE and NOW at that TIME was , 1 year and 6 months ago.

Thats a bit desperate Dan and misleading in your part.

My brother don't underestimate the power of 'here and now'

codemaniacs:
the bolded below

ahn ahn this ghen ghen pressing is too much na!

nihilistjnr:
SE voted PDP over APGA

The same dynamic through which Obi won a governorship.

What i am asking you now is your reason for saying Obi has South East on lock. Obi is no longer in PDP - Why did you say he has South East on lockdown in contradiction to the historical voting patterns you just described?

Abi you don't know why you said it?

The Labour Party twitter handle is dropping serious own goals for their presidential candidate someone needs to get a hand on the password sharpishly