₦airaland Forum

TewMuch:
Who kills a pregnant woman, and her unborn child?Which type of devil's do that?And you expect if your leader's don't address the issue, it should just be put away because Igbo's have now become the God's in Nigeria?What those soldiers did was evil, period.They put the lives of their people in danger and they should be held responsible for the progrom.It seems Igbo's on NL love to shift blame.The day you start holding yourselves accountable and learning to talk and communicate with people in a civilised manner without insulting and lying.Nigeria will be a better place.Until then it will be too hot for you because people are tired of the ethnic defense of everything Igbo, Biafran lies, and lies of marginalisation.In a war their are loser's on both sides, no one is a victim here.@ Chyz, all these you are saying happened after the assasination's and the progrom.The article says the secession was the only choice Ojukwu had, I beg to differ.Negotiation is key.A good leader does his best for his people without pride because in the end he is RESPONSIBLE for their lives and their welfare.It was never supposed to be about Ojukwu but the survival and assimilation of the Igbo's back into Nigeria.He did not even negotiate a good enough package for them to return back into Nigeria.He did not wait to even see all those things implemented.Instead in the end, he took off for himself.A captain is brave enough to take a ship to sea, should it sink. He must go down with it or be the last man standing in that ship after his passengers and crew have been evacuated and their safety assured.

It seems as though you didn't read through the article. Let's break it down so that we can be sure we are understanding each other. Did ojukwu accept the Aburi Accord?

jason12345:
okay but thats because in the history of ndigbo, ndigbo has never had a king. you are individualistic which is good at times. but when you do such to the people that are VERY obedient to their leaders, then you should expect such. and you did not take into account the igbos or ijaws (as you said) that gloated at the northerns in the north after the killing.



you are right, it is a very selective article.

Jason what exactly are we arguing here. Individuals that gloat have nothing to do with the people that wake up in the morning, brush their teeth,put on their clothes, and walk out the door for work and/0r school. They are not in some big congregation or gang. So what exactly is the "you should have taught of, " mentality coming from? as if all of those easterners in the north new each other.

amingafar:
I dont like arguing with people who are one sided

I stated that the killing of innocent was wrong on all sides

but you continue to say we northern people despoiled killed innocent un armed people, but you disregard the killing of

I'm glad you see that the killing of innocent people are wrong. Do not mention that he doesn't believe that the killing of Brigadier and his family were wrong because it was but who killed them by the way? I honestly think you all are refutting two different things. I believe he is talking about the killing by innocent people that had nothing to do with an army on either sides and you are arguing about the killing of an army officials family by a fellow armyman. Am I right or wrong?

jason12345:
what amingafar is saying is reasonable. onlytruth, you have to admit that the day those leaders were killed that was the day the war started. you would have done the same thing if zik, ojukwu and okpara were killed

Not true. Igbos would never have gone on a rampage and started committing pogroms on northerners and you know this. We've never been a people like that.

TewMuch:
Lmao.oh this is crap.Very selective articles OnlyTruth.Do you support articles that feed your trollish appetite?
I have a few questions for you.Could the coup have been averted by Igbo military elders choosing a more sensible ground than exterminating their superior's and mates? Even after this coupists acted could the progrom have been averted by the Igbo military leader's taking a stand a punishing the coupist's to distance them and the Igbo from being held responsible?Even a blind man could see the progrom or a reprisal attack was inevitable.After the progrom, Ojukwu could still have negotiated something.I know you have chosen to ignore Al-harem's post written by an Ohaneze elder who clearly and intelligently states where ojukwu flawed and failed.He also stated how the casualties of that war could have been much less if Ojukwu had let go of his pride and negotiated.Don't bring selective articles here and hope people take you seriously.Ojukwu the young, inexperienced officer, who didn't have much field experience took it upon himself to be the leader of the Biafran war.What a herculean task.He also failed to listen to his elder's and voice of reason because his money was bigger than theirs.Until you accept the Ojukwu's pride was the cause of this, then you have not started the reconcilliation process.This article is an opinion, post articles of people in the thick of the war, and people that saw the horror's.Your Igbo elder's are talking, you don't want to listen.You want to keep up the Proud rubbish u have been spewing on NL, and so you look for opinionated articles.This war, progrom and everything that happened could have been averted.If Igbo leader's had the courage to stand up to Ojukwu and distance themselves from such a devilish act. You may be crying for the dead of the Biafran war, both sides had casualties as well.Be more objective and take on the other articles as well or else, this your article stands for nothing and you should also be IGNORED!

Pride was not the cause of a war that happened because a food blockade was issues a year before, Countless pogroms were committed, lagos cut of federal funding to the eastern region, an agreement of protection and fairness was rejected for the sake of ruling of a people, also the compensation of poperty and food blockage amongst other things through a confederacy which would have provided true federalism was rejected. I think that is a solid bases to believe who is trying to either wipe you out or enslave you and with extremity. Don't mistake the choice he made for pride.

amingafar:
lies there was a video of a nigerian soldier captured by biafran being humiliated held bygun point and forced to walk unclothed- not sure but i think he was killed

That video you are talking about has been posted many times on nairaland and also again discussed recently. It was a video of Biafrans being caught by nigerian soldiers and paraded unclothed. So yea you're wrong. And btw, He was referring to northern soldiers being let leave the Eastern region to return home with their guns as being an honorable act by the Easterners. That was before the war started. Get it right.

EVANS4GOD:
Guy etche local govt area have more than 20 something oil well so what do u want us to do? Become igbos the answer is no way open your eye olee.

Etche is already Igbo so i don't think that is what he is trying to do.

wesley80:
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. . . ,  .Just as it appears as if nothing can possibly go awry, Chuba, as you look forward to hosting the worlds most powerful leader and shaking his hand, as you begin to smell the recognition and leadership of the Igbo people, may the crown fall off your head and your political head off your shoulders. None of my words will come to pass, Chuba until u have risen to the very height of your power and glory and health, but then u will b hounded and humiliated and disgraced out of office, your credibility and name in tatters forever.
Late Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe reacting to Chuba Okadigbos 'ranting of an ant'
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So where were u in 1981?, i guessed your history was bad so i had to help u by typing that out from my archives. I suggest u find a place 4 it in yours and learn from it.

And where has did that curse get his people?

wesley80:
@Chyz, this is 4 u and others that too often delight in throwing insults without second thots. Its in good faith so rememba 2 thank me later.
'it is the mere ranting of an ant'
Chuba Okadigbo(1981) then political adviser to Pres Shehu Shagari, dismissing Nnamdi Azikiwe's complaints of election fraud.

Zik to Okadigbo - 'My boy, may you live to your full potential,ascend to as dizzy a height as is possible for anyone of your political description in your era to rise. May u be acknowledged world wide as u rise like an eagle atop trees, flota among the clouds, preside over the affairs of fellow men , As leaders of all countries pour into Ngr to breath into her ear. But then, Chuba,if it is not the tradition of our people that elders are roundly insulted by young men before tie world as you have unjustly done to me, may your reign come to an abrupt and shattering close. As you look ahead, Chuba, as u see the horizon, dedicating a great marble palace that is the envy of the world, toasted by the most powerful men in the land, may the great big hand of fate snatch it all away from you. . . .
2 be contd.

So you get mad because you were called out on your mistake? Be a man.

babs787:
@chyz

You should have the answer if you are a Muslim and no need of asking this question.

alienvirus:
If truly u don't have the answer, ask google. if google doesn't have it then you are on your own. instead of answering d 3rd century question, i will rather leave u dying in ignorance. and if die, u die wrongfully. Back to the milky way!

It just shows that most of you here are not practicing the real islam. That is the reason why you have come here and insulted me because this is something you want to step over.

wesley80:
@Chyz, Please be careful with that word 'rant'. That word was the reason The great Zik cursed his brother Chuba Okadigbo. The words of our fathers are words of wisdom, Thread carefully.

You did not analyze the situation before you spoke. You first can into the thread pointing fingers and conveying sentiments  at the wrong people therefore it can be taken as a rant. When you curse your brother you curse yourself. Zik cursed his brother and then his other brother Ironsi came and overthrew him out of presidency.Remember that.

wesley80:
@excanny, U got me laughing with your comment, credit 2 u. FYI, I'm not Ikwerre, so u can guess again.
Secondly, I dont deny being Igbo, I realized d foolishness in doing so years ago. But I dont agree 2 being an Igbo just to score political/numerical or economic scores.
This thread waz supposed 2 be abt the achievements and challenges of Delta Igbos but inevitably was heading 2 the direction of the same old debate of Igbo political domination or lack of it, true federalism and the rest sick excuses for mental laziness. Una no dey tire?

The case of your accusation was not brought up by an Igbo so if you want to rant you need rant on that person which did so.

excanny:
My friend, do you realize that this is the politics section, and matters concerning Igbos are part of Nigerian politics?

Are you trying to intimidate people here? If you dont like a thread, STFU or jump off a cliff, ok?

Don't mind Wesley80, he is even Igbo himself.

What we Igbo need and want is fairness, that includes presidency.

MShittu:
Although a good development, having more Igbo governors won't stop Igbo marginalization until true federalism is actualized and states are more empowered.

Hopefully we can get this without the country having to break.

Andre Uweh:
Can Ndigbo in Delta state get it Right this time?.

We only have less then 90 days as governor but all is well at least we have 7 Igbo governors now . One of the people they mentioned Mrs. Gloria Eluebo Adagbon is even an Igbanke-Igbo from Edo. She is fighting for the Igbankes to join Anioma when state creation comes. I'm glad to see she is really pushing hard.