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bisiaet:
So these are your best choice for the position of the presidency Nice ones very interesting indeed!!!

It was a joke.

I get back to my thread just to find nothing put jealous yoruba commentators. Wow!

The way that you people jealouse Igbos are amazing. You all are the only ones in the whole of nigeria that jealous us. It's so funny. Are we that much of a threat to you all?lol

Look at your lousy president obasanjo said during presidency, "I don't know how a people can recover so quickly after such a war".Lol. . .Yes we are Igbos and we don't just sit around like his people and wait on government welfare.

Look, let me make this clear since what De Ezeife words are not clear enough, if we are cheated out of presidency, there will be nothing like nigeria again. All Igbo,even the ones who are vehemently One Nigeria supporters will agitate for Biafra. There is nothing anyone can do about it. If Igbos lose fair and square then so be it.

Its because of this same mentality that the SW has relegated itself to the back and the north lost to jonathan.

I swear you yorubas go catch heart attack one day the way you people worry about Igbo. . .I always said that a good,fun,and complete yoruba family gatherning consists of three things, Amala,fuji music, and gbogbo about Igbos.

ezeagu:
Do you guys wait for Igbo threads? There needs to be some kind of rehabilitation for Igbo obsession.

Right,lol

[size=15pt]No outsider can stop an Igbo as President in 2015 –Ezeife[/size]

By NDUBUiSI ORJI

Wednesday, November 09 , 2011

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/images/eife%20-9.jpg


The recent decision by the Federal Government to remove the subsidy on fuel, has elicited a wide range of reactions from Nigerians. In this interview with IJEOMA ONUORAH, Dr Chukwuemeka Ezeife, one-time governor of Anambra State and erstwhile Political Adviser to former President Olusegun Obasanjo, offers reasons why the plan should not go on, and recommends ways to tackle the matter.
Excerpts:

Decision to remove fuel subsidy
I’m not overly concerned with the removal or not of the fuel subsidy. The most important question is how to make fuel available to the domestic economy, to minimise costs, so as to use the petroleum we have as an advantage. I was concerned about the inefficiencies of the so called subsidy. How in the name of subsidy, people are stealing Nigeria dry, the mafia are amassing huge wealth at the expense of Nigerians. I have earlier proposed a better way to the Obasanjo government, on how to tackle this problem.

One aspect of this proposal was immediately implemented, but the other aspect which would have taken longer to implement, did not see the light of the day, because the administration had to go then. I had earlier sent this same proposal to the minister of Petroleum, probably; he hadn’t time to study it. If my proposal is implemented, there may be some kind of subsidy, which may be controversial or not. But at the end of the day, it will be simple and clear to Labour, government and ordinary Nigerians who are consumers, what subsidy is, if it is there at all.

My submission is to review the way petroleum products are supplied to the domestic economy. People are given license to import fuel. Subsidy is based on the basis of what is said to be imported, if it is inflated, then we are paying them money for nothing. But, if they are giving you exactly what they import, then you are paying subsidy through subsidy. But is there a true subsidy in petroleum importation in Nigeria? In theory, there is none, in practice there is, but not as much as claimed.

Let me explain. Nigeria needs about 450 barrels of oil a day to reach her internal consumption. Let us have a body responsible for supplying the internal demands of fuel, from NNPC or even we can even use the existing PPMC, to take responsibility for the supply of fuel in Nigeria. This can be achieved through keeping aside the 450 barrels, the body will now contract refining overseas. They will now integrate the cost of local and foreign refining; arriving at total cost, and then decide on the price. You may find out that the price may not exceed today’s market price.

Government can add a little tax to increase it to the N65 market price of today, and nobody feels any subsidy. The difference between the world price of crude and the cost you are giving the refining company to, presents the opportunity cost subsidy. Also, because we are members of OPEC, we are not given the opportunity to sell everything we produce, so the opportunity cost of subsidy cannot exist if the opportunity is not there.
Note this; by removing subsidy, the cost of doing business in Nigeria, jumps. It is already excruciatingly high. By increasing it further, we are using our own gift to crucify ourselves. We are foolishly obeying the tenets of the WTO, when we are being de-industrialized as a result.

Igbo presidency in 2015

[b]That depends on every Igboman. Nobody from outside Igboland can take away the presidency from us in 2015, if we truly want it, because we are comprehensively justified to fight for it. The God of justice must be with us. By the time Jonathan finishes his tenure, every zone should have supplied Nigeria with a president for at least five years, except the South East. What we had was a coup that lasted for six months and two million people buried with it. God knows about it, Nigerians know about it.

Therefore, when I was the chairman of power sharing committee of the national political reform conference, the members of the committee agreed that there should be rotation by geopolitical zones for presidency. Since every zone has had it, except the South East, what reason can anybody give for the Igboman not to fight for it?
If a well brought up Igboman becomes the president, every Nigerian will be rejoicing, because he will develop everywhere in Nigeria, because his brothers are in every nook and cranny of the country. By virtue of rotation, we should demand and get the presidency. Refusing it, to us means refusing us membership of Nigeria, and that is when they will play into the hands of those agitating for Biafra.
For us advocating for one Nigeria, we are gradually finding it harder to continue our advocacy, if there is persistency in injustice and unfairness.
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Discordant tunes
Let me clear this. I was the chairman of a think-tank formed by Senator Pius Anyim and myself, whose aim was to talk to the North and South-South, collect their aspirations, go to Owerri to talk to our people, get their mandate. Before then, the North had already invited us. We’ve been Vice to them already, and if they were ready to support us, we were ready to talk about it.


We agreed before we left for Yar’Adua centre that fateful August that the discussions would be preliminary and exploratory. In no way, were we going to issue a communiqué or make commitments to anybody. Along the line, some of our delegates started taking the position of the North. I was flabbergasted; I wanted to challenge things, but discovered that some people were pre-lobbied before we came.

They started lobbying for Vice-Presidency, and barely one week after that meeting, names of people appeared as members of the Babangida campaign group. Our own chairman even gave way to the Northern chairman. No Igboman with any sense of history will prefer at that juncture to support the North instead of the South-South. But, unfortunately, this communiqué was published, supporting the North. Some people quoted me as saying it was a political ambush. Those who knew my politics were shocked, and called me. I had to tell them the truth.

So, at the Igbo summit in Enugu chaired by Mbazulike Amaechi, six days after, we endorsed Jonathan unconditionally. We did this in order to give our people a clear sign of where we are going. Gradually, all Igbos abandoned the position of the preNortherners and we dumped all our eggs in Jonathan’s basket.

Jonathan’s 100 days in office
We, the brothers and sisters of Jonathan in Nigeria lifted a load of salt on Jonathan’s head and made rain to fall on him. Despite this fact, this man, propelled by God has remained unshaken, taciturn, stable, resolute and committed to transformation. Power has improved in Nigeria; he is committed to the transformation of Nigeria. And the extent he has gone, all we can say is what if there were no Boko Haram and no obstructions to development. His hundred days have been one of hope, not the other way round.

His hope is realistic, because the hands of God have been seen in his emergence, and God does not make a mistake. Whatever happens in whoever’s presidency, we should celebrate.


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/newsonthehour/2011/nov/09/newsbreak-09-11-2011-001.html

anonymous6:
[b]THE ODUDUWAN REVOLUTION

In the first chapter, we talked about the aboriginal nature of the Yoruban peoples. In this chapter, we shall talk of a possible migration from ancient Egypt. Many traditions point to a fact that an alien group (Egyptians) immigrated to Yoruba land and mixed with the original population.

Many oral traditions are replete with these stories. The Awujale of Ijebu land has shown that the Ijebus are descended from ancient Nubia (a colony of Egypt). He was able to use the evidence of language, body, scarification, coronation rituals that are similar to Nubians’ etc, to show that the Ijebus are descendants of the Nubians. What the present Awujale claimed for the Ijebus, can be authenticated all over Yoruba land. The Awujale even mentioned (2004) that the Itsekiri (an eastern Yoruba dialect) are speaking the original Ijebu language.

Since the Nubians were descended or colonized by the Egyptians, the Ijebu, and by extension, all Yoruba customs, derived from the Egyptian. Many traditional Yorubas have always claimed Egypt as their place of original abode, and that their monarchical tradition derives from the Egyptians’. Apostle Atigbiofor Atsuliaghan, a high priest of Umale-Okun, and a direct descendant of Orunmila, claimed that the Yorubas left Egypt as a result of a big war that engulfed the whole of Egypt. He said the Egyptian remnants settled in various places, two important places being Ode Itsekiri and Ile-Ife.Chief O.N Rewane says “Oral tradition has it also that when the Yorubas came from South of Egypt they did not go straight to where they now occupy. They settled at Illushi, some at Asaba area – Ebu, Olukumi Ukwunzu while some settled at Ode-Itsekiri,.” (O.N. Rewane Royalty Magazine A PICTORIAL SOUVENIR OF THE BURIAL AND CORONATION OF OLU OF WARRI, WARRI 1987)

Since these oral traditions are passed on by very illiterate people, we can augment whatever is recorded with written sources. Concerning the migration of some of the Yoruban ancestors from the east, Conton says:

The Yoruba of Nigeria are believed by many modern historians to be descended from a people who were living on the banks of the Nile 2,000 years ago, and who were at the time in close contact with the Egyptians and the Jews. Sometime before AD 600, if this belief is correct, this people must have left their fertile lands, for reasons which we can not now discover and have joined in the ceaseless movement of tribes west wards and south-wards across our continent.

We can only guess at the many adventures they and their descendants must have had on their long journey and at the number of generations which passed before they arrived. All we can be certain about is that they were a Negro people (of which ancient Egypt probably had at least one community as we have seen) and that one of the many princely states they founded on their arrival in West Africa…, was Ife.’ Conton WF (1960. 71

Although we agree with Conton that some of the Yoruban ancestors migrated from Egypt, we tend to toe the scientific line of Cheik Anta Diop, that the ancient Egyptians were pure Negroes.

Aderibigbe, an indigenous scholar, also accepts that the Yorubas migrated from Egypt. He says:

“The general trend of these theories, most of them based on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from “the east”. Some scholars, impressed by the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian culture – religious observation, works of art, burial and other customs – speak of a possible migration of the ancestors of the Yoruba from the upper Nile (as early as 2000BC – 1000BC) as a result of some upheavals in ancient Egypt”. (AB ADERIBIGBE 1976)

Unlike Conton, Aderibigbe was able to pinpoint a cause for the Yoruban migration – war. Olumide Lucas did a lot of job to show similarities and identities between the ancient Egyptians and the Yoruban peoples. The date that Aderibigbe gave (2000BC – 1000BC) is much earlier than that given by Conton. Aderibigbe’s date corresponds to that of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt 2000-1500BC. On the possible eastern origin of the Yorubas, Tariqh Sawandi says:

"“The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger. Archaeologists, according to M. Omoleya, inform us that the Nigerian region was inhabited more than forty thousand years ago, or as far back as 65,000BC. During this period, the Nok culture occupied the region. The Nok culture was visited by the “Yoruba people”, between 2000BC and 500BC. This group of people was led, according to Yoruba historical accounts by king Oduduwa, who settled peacefully in the already established Ile-Ife, the sacred city of the indigenous Nok people. "[/b]
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2139

The Igbos have this same claim to egypt as well as other African groups. Lets get back to present day nigeria.

anonymous6:
No, I don't think the bini's are right you do; bini's are the only ones that tell that version of the story, Yoruba's have a very different version and for you to discount the yoruba's version that oduduwa came from the sky when Edo's also believe their ancestors came from the sky is hyprocritcal to me:

""Thus the Edo people believe that their kings come from the sky or more appropriately, from Heaven or from God. It is this belief which explains why the Oba or king is the embodiment of the culture of the Edo people.  The story of the people cannot be written without reference to their king or Oba. Indeed, everything revolves round the Oba."-"
http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub55.htm

Also the Nok had ability to do bronze casting to as well

I'm not getting your point. Are you saying that you will not believe/admit to the story and evidence of the binis because "they believe their kings came from the sky"? What if they said their kings were from Igboland would you then believe their story on oduduwa? Also, if it is a cultural practice of the binis to say there kings came from heaven then that supports even more their influence of practices and culture in Ife through oduduwa,a bini.

Did oduduwa create/give birth the yoruba people or were there already yorubas there?

About the Nok, we all know about them. There is a reason why Yorubas,Edos,Igbos,Idoma,Igala share some of the same language. What does the nok have to do with it though? I asked if there was broze casting in yoruba land before the arrival of oduduwa.

anonymous6:
I don't believe ODUDUWA came from Benin(you want to believe that) Or Mecca but he may have been to mecca at one point. however I don't believe he came from the sky either; the only others that say he is from the east and supports that he is from Benin, are the benins themselves, the yoruba's have said differently(they say he from the east but not from Benin) & it has nothing to do with Muslims but I feel the muslims say alot about it because of the homeland of Mecca is connected to them. I have heard the yoruba's have migrated from a southern tribe in Egypt. From my experience from what I have heard from benins & Yoruba's is that we are connected through a common paternal ancestral line but the dispute that always comes up between the two tribes is who came from who. Some Benins believe yoruba came from Benins and Yoruba's believe benins came from the Yoruba's.

So to some it up, he is not yoruba. I'm glad you know that. By your right up I can tell that you know the Binis are right. There is nothing about their story that see far-fetched. They can pin point Odudwa back to a particular place. They are able to give his real name along with a bio with supporting evidence, the yoruba were unable to do such. Before Oduduwa came to Ife the Binis were bronze casting. Was there any bronze casting in ife before the arrival of oduduwa? If so, can you please provide the evidence?

@anonymous6,

Where in yoruba land was Oduduwa from? Pls, don't give me Ife, the place where he came to rule. Also, what is the meaning of Oduduwa in yoruba?

Do take in mind we are know he didn't literally came down from the sky/heavens like claim by mythology. The "came down from the heavens" more than likely is a metaphor for "he came from somewhere else". The other the other saying of he came from the east also supports that the claim of him coming from Benin area. Of course this is excluding the whole mecca claim which was constructed by muslims.

Oramiyan was Bini,not yoruba. His mother was yoruba but his father, Oduduwa, was a clean-cut Bini man. Stop with the revisions people!

My question is, what is the meaning behind the long streaks down the faces of these sculptures?

anonymous6:
True but based on what I read when it comes to art sculpting the benin's were influenced by the Owo's not the other way around; so their knowledge of sculpting didn't come from benin's

On contrary, when it comes to Ivory, that's where the yoruba influence came in.

anonymous6:
well they were under the benin  kingdom at one point, so maybe through influential or political power but cultural I doubt it because the bini's were actually influenced by the Owo's as well when it comes to sculpting.[b][color=#550000]

With Benin influencial and political power comes culture. That is something you cant escape.

lakal:
Why should I google Owo, when I'm from a town that has a boundary with Owo? lmao.

Cultural influences, one way or another, really has nothing to do with anything I said.

It has a lot to do with it if your talking about bronze casting. And if you are from a bordering town it doesnt mean you know the place like that you probably grew up in lagos i bet.

lakal:
Bronze casting was practiced in many areas of West Africa; the most famous examples only come from a few locations.


Chyz, if you are saying that only Ife in Yorubaland developed bronze casting, you'd be incorrect. The Ogboni society, among others, used bronze casting heavily. However the naturalistic bronzes were produced solely in Ife (naturalistic terracottas were also found in Owo).

The society was put together way after the ife claim. I never saif ife was the only yoruba place to practice bronze casting. I asked if ife wss the only area in yorubaland practicing bronze casting at the time. Owo has major bini influence btw, google them.

tpia@:
ok, so show us how exactly benin developed the art of bronze casting, and from where.

who taught them.

surely we wont be fed some magical story about how bronze casting just suddenly sprung up in benin overnight with no outside influence from anywhere.

Did the nok practice bronze casting or something? Also, the Igbos were practicing it before ife so could it be possible that they could have learned if from the people practicing it before the yoruba? And another question, was ife the only area in yorubaland to do bronze casting at the time?

emmatok:
@PhysicsMHD

The Benin people are [b]heterogeneous [/b]they have historical links with Itsekhiri, Yoruba, IJaw and Igbo people.

So it is possible they learnt bronze making form the Yoruba s.

Before the arrival of oduduwa,a Bini man, was there any Bronze sculptures, if so, do you have some pics and noting that comes along with the pic?

Ileke-IdI:
^^^Oku ire ojo ibi e! More to come ni oruko Jesu!!

Oh shut that mess up

cap28:
Of course you would welcome the "mighty power of the US" you know why? because you are too braindead to understand that they are the ones orchestrating this whole boko haram campaign in the first place, read my lips: the war on terror is a creation of the american intelligence organisation - they are looking for an excuse to occupy your land and FULLY APPROPRIATE YOUR OIL RESERVES THEREBY BLOCKING CHINA'S ACCESS TO THEM

every oil rich nation that is not fully under US military occupation/control is now under attack - your precious goodluck has no say in the matter any more - very soon all decisions concerning nigeria's oil reserves are going to be made by the US Africa Command - get ready for the second phase of slavery.

You were laughing at Qadaffi's demise the other day - the demise of your own country is staring you in the face and you are too dumb and blind to see it.

If you are capable of doing so - take a look at every oil rich nation which america has invaded/occupied - what is the standard of living of the people in those countries like?
nigeria - has some of the world's dumbest people!

Thank you.

Is there some sort of death threat by unknown powers to hands off the development of particular areas. For instance, I see none of the presidents even used particular abandoned projects to boost their chances of a second term presidency. For instance, I would have thougt that GEJ would be very stern and vehement with the fixing of Benin-Ore road and the Second Niger Bridge. Those to completions would make his coming into the presidency a sond time very strong. It would be hard for others to compete. Yet, the champ has done nothing abt the two. There has to be something we dont know. I think there is an oath of not touching those places because of the consequences is death by the unknowns. I guess that can explain why the dude would rather shoot for a selfish 6 yrs presidency.

I dey laugh.