₦airaland Forum

tpia@:
I beleive the reason why there's so much ambiguity or grey areas concerning the yoruba-benin relationship is due to the portuguese influence. They ( the portuguese) had much more inlfuence and a foothold in benin compared to yorubaland which doesnt seem to have allowed them as much access as benin did.

And some parts of the midwest or southeast as well. It seems there's a town called akassa in one of these areas that was actually founded by the portugues and which contains a portuguese gravestone, if the source i read was correct.

Add the influence of other tribes like nupe, itsekiri, igalla, tiv, hausa, etc on bini and you begin to see the point at which it diverges from yoruba.

amazonia:
okosula------ Ijaw

Oko-Ita------Akwa-Ibon

Okoye-------Yoruba

olokoye------ Yoruba amukoko----yoruba

Okoni-------- Edo omokoro-------Urhobo

Okona------ Edo kokode------ Igbo

okon----- Ika/Rivers/Igbo kokoye

okode---- Ora /Igala/Esakon

okoshodin-----Ijaw

okosula---------Ijaw

wesley80:
In the interest of this thread, you'd be well advised to limit your myopic definitions to yourself. No be only Western Igbo na Yoruba Igbo.
Maybe you should pick up an history text and find out how powerful the Aboh kingdom was in the 1940's and its influence then on the predominantly Igbo speaking people then come back here and prove that an Aboh prefix was a mere coincidence by a people who are ordinarily very careful in picking names.

I know you guys are smart and would prolly have done a good deal of digging to shoot down my argument so you can preach the supremacy of Igbo as usual so seeing you guys clutching straws and offering feeble arguments is pretty comforting i tell you.

ChinenyeN:
You are Aboh; some kind of western Igbo.
I am Ngwa; southern Igbo.
Mbaise is a collection of southern Igbo groups who are both geographically and ethnically/culturally/historically affiliated with Ngwa.

You open your mouth to speak of an administrative district which did not exist before 1940. Yes indeed, it is your word against mine.

Wallie:
You are very correct that they only involve themselves in countries in which they have interests. Here’s a question to you. Would you intervene on your younger sibling’s behalf if he/she needs help? If you would, why? Could it be because you have interest in your brother/sister’s wellbeing?

The Western countries, especially those with colonial ties are forever joined at the hip with us because of history. The relationship becomes even more complicated because they have or seek what we have which is one of the reasons we were their colony in the past.

South Sudan by having a referendum to break away.

Al Qaeda has morphed into an ideology. They are no more centralized or should I say have different factions?

How do you think they came up with the prediction? Do you think that the US is like Nigeria where you can spend billions of dollars without doing anything? Don’t you know that there are agencies that have people evaluating every region of the world 24/7? They are not Nostradamus but they do have very smart people that live and breathe stuff like this.

wesley80:
^^^ lol. I'll post my reply in a jiffy, but I think u're the one with identity issues. Seriously, u claim to be Ukwuani but never hesitate to deny the essence of what u ought to be. Brb

wesley80:
^^^ lol . I'll post a reply in a jiffy, but I think u're the one with identity issues, Seriously.

df2006:
@poster and what is your point?


is it wrong to ban rice importation?

Wallie:
Can you show me the bias in the article? Why would the West want to invade if they're already getting everything Nigeria has to offer? AFAIK, the current Nigerian government is not anti-America and might even be thought of as pro-America. Why invade to make the country unstable?

wesley80:
An Aboh king identified himself as Igbo? You've got to be kidding! My friend read up what you can find about Aboh kingdom and you'lld realize how insulting it is to say an Aboh king identified himself as Igbo. I'll let that aspect rest for now.

I personally have no problem identifying myself as Igbo but arguments like this that fail to appreciate the uniqueness of an entire people ticks me off. The complexity of the world today and increased globalization makes the identification of smaller groups along with larger ones desirable for the sake of simplicity, so we deliberately and consciously chose to accept all that bit us at night to be mosquitoes, but when push comes to shove we can conveniently sort out the mosquito bites from ant bites! Ukwuani's arent necessarily Igbo's, deal with it. I am an Aboh man and we carry a proud and rich history that predates that of Igbos and while we accept the times we live in, we know who we are and where we've come from and we'll not be stampeded into being what we are not. Records show that most Ukwuani clans were formed also from same migratory wave that birthed the kingdom so what are your points? Language? Culture? Get a life.

wesley80:
Easy to pick out foools from their comments. None among the half brained loud mouthed baboons rushing to comment has pointed out what is wrong with encouraging local dependence for our rice consumption.

Ileke-IdI:
If you're bored, go find a book to read.

Ileke-IdI:
Yep, just good enough for my azz.

Ileke-IdI:
^^^This muskeeto no dey rest

Ileke-IdI:
No, thank you. Keep it up.

alj_harem:
[size=15pt]Now the main point I am trying to point out to NRI PRIEST, bandit and co[/size]

Learn to stop talk or posting based on immediate emotions and rather think before posting.

Words like "Imo people are this" we anambra people are that etc would only cause division among ndi igbos

rather stop thinking about clans and states. think of it as my people start from anambra to Imo state etc

Once you have that sort of idea and mentallity, you would see each other as a group rather than individuals.

Don't get me wrong, I really do not mean to get into this discussion, but It pains me each time I see igbo people fighting among each other.

I ask myself why ? Why would an Uche from onicha have things against another Uche from Abia ? Then it clicked to me that you do not see Igbo as an ethnic group rather it is seen as a collection of ethnic nationalities that came together to be called Igbo.

thus I thought of a solution

then I realised it has to do with the mentality in which discussions are approached.

Yes even I that talk on Igbo issues, my people are not united so who am I to talk ? right !

Well, maybe it is because I love the Igbo culture and I am fascinated by them, who knows but yes there is a connection somewhere. apart from my parental

tpia@:
^Are you effective?

tpia@:
Yes, i believe the ogidi king fought a lot of wars with his neighbours back in the day, and was generally regarded as quarrelsome or warmongering.

I thought people had gotten past all that however- it was centuries ago.

alj_harem:
cheghari mmehie gi

alj_harem:
Really I feel sorry for you, Saro wiwa's SINS. HOW A well respected Ogoni Icon till today and even in port Harcourt the Ogoni I have meant respect this man to bits and yet you are rubbishing him for all he fought for. WHEN DID SARO WIWA APOLOGISE I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TELL ME.

I brought out a letter he wrote in his house just before he was taken and you are posting that he apologise. WHERE AND WHAT DAY ?

The military is NOT ethnically biased to ANY GROUP or any ethnic group. it sole alliance is to NIGERIA REGARDLESS OF THE ETHNIC NATIONALITY. Just so you know, we know of some Igbos that fought against Baifra,, Issac boro and Ijaw man, etc

The Military is not controlled or predominately Hausa/fulani/kanuri but Middle belters like Tiv, idoma, berom, nupe, igala along side South-south people.

the Military heads are a different issue which the Igbos control the Navy, the yorubas air force and the Hausa infantory

In terms of Military personal, The Middle belt and South-south people are more than 70% of the Nigerian military. Ask anyone that is in the army.

Dawgpound:
Alj Harem, throwing Saro Wiwa's sins against the Igbo and Biafrans @ my face is just not going to work because he came back and apologized. The Ogoni don't even own any part of PH so what concerns us with Ikwerre, Igbo and Ijo ppl? Ogoni ppl did not take properties from Igbo ppl. Saro Wiwa is just 1 Ogoni man and his actions can't be used against us. We are not responsible for whatever he did. Kobani and Kogbara were both Ogoni and fought for Biafra just like my family stood for Biafra so please FALL BACK. I have had this discussion with Igbos who think the Ogoni as a people fought against Biafra. All Eastern minorities should not be branded anti-Biafra due to actions of Adaka an Ijaw Boro or Wiwa an Ogoni.

As for your Boko Haram loving Kanuri brothers allegedly getting killed @ the mosque, it your responsibility to seek justice for them not mine. I am not Kanuri neither did I even have knowledge of poor Kanuri people getting oppressed by the army who are majority Hausa-Fulani and Kanuri. If in your culture its okay to slaughter humans and move on then that's just your problem. In my culture we speak up against injustice. Jews, Armenians are still seeking justice. Jews in particular have gone as far as hunting former Nazis physically so what is wrong about us.

The men who killed, maimed and destroyed Ogoni land must be brought to book and made to pay.

Igbos, Efik, Annang, Ijaw, also owe it to themselves to do the same.

You don't think I'm Ogoni? LOL! No I am Tiv.

jason123:
Chyz, you are asking how Biafran occupation was forceful? Biafran army entered the mid-west even though the midwest did not want to be part of it. Igbo midwesterners were seen as traitors because they occupied most of the midwestern army (after it was decreed that all soldiers should return to their region) and they were meant to protect the midwest from external aggression such as the Biafran army. According to one account, the midwestern Igbos conspired with their eastern counter parts to occupy the MW with minimum resistance. And this was evident in the way MW igbos started their condescending attitude to non-Igbo midwesterners. In fact Banjo told Ojukwu to let the Administrator of the MW be a nonIgbo MW but Ojukwu had to his will by doing the opposite and installing an Igbo MWesterner.

What non-MWesterner Igbo doing in the MW? The MW was still part of the Nigerian "united nations", hence, Nigeria still had a say on what happens in the region. And no, it was not seen as an opportunity, after all, the reprisal was not until months after the invasion. About the militia, we had to defend ourselves and since our "brothers" had conspired against OUR interest and the soldiers attacked first (Banjo warned them, remember).

About the civilians, most conspired with the Eastern Igbos. Some even called out "saboteurs" so the Soldiers could identify and kill, imprison or torture them.

However, there one thing I must point out, the killing of civilians cannot be justified. But then again, it was a civilian to civilian battle for the control of the MW.

jason123:
Chyz, apart from some defensive attacks because we HAD to defend ourselves from the Biafran army and their FORCEFUL occupation, can you please tell us about what happened to midwestern Igbos (btw,asaba was carried out by muritala who worked for the FG, an edo man) and I am particularly interested in what happened midwestern non-igbos. Thanks.

oyb:
here we go again

as if the likes of osisikanu have not outdone anything that happened all those years ago. keep beefing the rest of nigeria while you rob , murder and r-ape yourselves to bits.

it was  war and biafra lost.

if japan had won the war, america would still be paying reparations for hiroshima and nagasaki. but japan lost.

in spite of ogbangewe etal, biafra lost. deal with it.

funny how kids who did not experience the war  keep spamming nl with revisionist history etal.