₦airaland Forum

opeldexter:
Pls, what is d meaning of d name OKONTA. They tell me it is delta igbo

It is Igbo, period. It means the same thing in all of Igboland. "Okonta" is a hunter(male).

Ogbuefi daru unu nwenne. Please work vigorously for Anioma state. I will do what I can as well to promote it. One thing is for sure, we must have Anioma state. It is non-negotiable! We belong in the SE and that is that.  


@Ezeagu, May God continue ur zeal!



                                                                          [size=13pt]ISIAGWALI[/size]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

exotik:
ok cool. so kwales are not igbos in delta state since they made the list.

Hmm. . .not that simple. Delta state is a dynamic place. Ukwuani are allowed to go with either or.It's for political reasons. Its kinda like the Urhobo and Isoko. The Isoko are Urhobo but the Isoko area of Urhobo land were given the right to use Isoko as identity apart from Urhobo.Its an either or thing.

Notice from the delta state map that i posted, the Isoko are not listed by name because they are under Urhobo.


The groups are more or less playing both sides of the fence.

Hope the below refreshes your memory:

exotik:
a) are they still foolishly holding on to the identity to avoid discrimination even though the igbos claim they are booming and doing well?

b) they are keeping it coz they know they are actually not igbos and a different group?

c)  they just want to keep it so dat they can continue to play both sides of the fence like cowards?

For your question of "why is kwale still listed as a different ethnic group from igbo in delta state?" Read what I wrote below:

exotik:
In the '70s, various Igbo groups/clans were given separate identities to divide and weaken us after the Biafra war. A lot of us went with it and denied being Igbo twort discrimination by the FG,etc.

"A lot went with it" not All.

exotik:
why is kwale still listed as a different ethnic group from igbo in delta state?

a) are they still foolishly holding on to the identity to avoid discrimination even though the igbos claim they are booming and doing well

b) they are keeping it coz they know they are actually not igbos and a different group

c) they just want to keep it so dat they can continue to play both sides of the fence like cowards

Your question as already been answered. Go back and re-read.

exotik:
"The identities were used as a divide and conquer technique."

to divide and conquer wot? the biafran cause or the igbo ethnic group?

"If you witnessed and suffered what they went through during the war and even the time leading up to the war then you wouldnt see it as being too foolish. It is called desperation."

witnessed wot exactly? u claim u were igbo before and during the war, so i guess u fought for the biafran cause but after losing the war, u could no longer persevere with wotever fate was facing you and your igbo brothers dat u now had to take on an identity just to escape it and betrayed the igbo unity. i don't see how dat is desperation, dat is foolishness and cowardice.

"i was referring to Ukwani and other Igbo groups thinking that denying Igbo and taking up a a new "ethnic" identity was going to stop them from being discriminated against verses the Igbos who still kept to the name "Igbo". "

so after u have cowardly taken up a new ethnic identity foolishly thinking it will stop u from being discriminated against but "obviously it aint work", u now want to return to the ethnic identity u previously disowned.

sorry but the whole thing looks like the life of a loser to me and i don't even know why your other igbo brothers want to take u cowards back after helping to weaken the igbo "ethnic" identity coz tomorrow now if there is another biafran war, after losing, u guys will also be the first igbos to take on a new identity and disown igbo just to avoid discrimination.

but this has still not answered the question:

why is kwale still listed as a different ethnic group from igbo in delta state?

a) are they still foolishly holding on to the identity to avoid discrimination even though the igbos claim they are booming and doing well?

b) they are keeping it coz they know they are actually not igbos and a different group?

c) they just want to keep it so dat they can continue to play both sides of the fence like cowards?

^^^A clear case of crying more than the bereaved. You would think that they were YOUR people,lol.

Cowardice? Hmm. . .This is coming from a yoruba guy.Funny.

Not every ukwuani denies being igbo. One can claim there clan and Igbo as well.

Your write-up should be for people like Agbotean. Agbotean is ashamed. I'm glad you are now getting the picture.

For you three questions. . . for a and b the answer is, yes. For ur other question it is, no.(of course we are talking about the ones who deny being Igbo)

exotik:
but this was wot u said:

"In the '70s, various Igbo groups/clans were given separate identities to divide and weaken us after the Biafra war."

so let me get dis straight, u were in your words "given separate identities" to weaken biafra after the war even though u are igbo. so i guess it was imposed and u said some of u accepted it.

Never said anything about weakening Biafra. The war was already over in 1970. The identities were used as a divide and conquer technique. This tactic is nothing new.

den u went ahead to say dis

"A lot of us went with it and denied being Igbo twort discrimination by the FG,etc."

apart from u foolishly accepting an identity dat was imposed on u the complete sentence does not make sense cos i don't know wot "twort" means and dat was the reason u foolishly accepted. forgive me i never hear oyibo reach there.

My bad,was a typo. The word is thwart. If you witnessed and suffered what they went through during the war and even the time leading up to the war then you wouldnt see it as being too foolish. It is called desperation.

den u now said this:

"Obviously it aint work. "

obviously it worked cos fast forward years later, kwale is listed as a seperate group from igbo in delta state.

When i said "Obviously it aint work.", i was referring to Ukwani and other Igbo groups thinking that denying Igbo and taking up a a new "ethnic" identity was going to stop them from being discriminated against verses the Igbos who still kept to the name "Igbo".

Abagworo:
One secret I will reveal to you is to focus on pre-1970 books when reading about Igbos.BTW Chyz is from "Kwale" which is a corruption of "Ukwuani" or "Ukwuali" which in Igbo means Southland.The present Anioma was known in Igbo as comprising of 3 groups of Igbo people Ukwuani(Southland),Ndi Oshimili(Riverine) and Enuani(Upland).The Europeans gave them the name "Ika".The history is not hidden but known by every Anioma.

Gbam, Gbosa, thank you Abagworo!

He's not even Ukwuani and knows nothing about kwale,lol. In fact, the Ukwuani, Enuani, and the people now known as "Ika" were all under the same name "Ika" at one point. See how much you know? . . .I will post the information.

exotik:
btw, dat list was not compiled in the 70s it was compiled recently after delta has been created so i see no reason why the identify u claimed was "imposed" on u in the 70s will still be on the list. if the identify still appears on a recent list even after biafra is long over, it means kwale is not igbo which is why they were not grouped as igbo.

reread the bolded at see why you dont make sense,lol. . Infact go back and read what I posted concerning Ukwuani and read all of what you posted above and see why what you wrote is senseless.ROFLMAO!

exotik:
how can it be extinct when they are still speaking the distinct language? and i don't have time to be searching for links for clowns on the net. like i do in real-life i go by wot the people say, and from all the posts so far on this thread, it is clear anioma is not strictly an igboland. and your posts are pretty boring unlike dat of iguefi who is good at making wild claims so i guess i will have to wait for iguefi cos im sure he is busy googling and cooking something interesting as we speak.

I didnt ask you to search the link on the internet for yourself(the clown).,so what are u talking about?

Lets not get mixed.People settle on other tribal land. We igbos have settle in lagos and Sabo-Gari, so i guess according to you all of lagos and Sabo-gari is not yoruba and hausa land?

exotik:
i just ran primarily thru the dictionary and look at the result:

pri·ma·ri·ly
[-mair-uh-lee, -mer-]

- adverb
chiefly 
originally
^^

so according to iguefi they speak a language till this day that is originally and chiefly yoruba. so how is that "igbo" in any sense of the word?

It WAS originally a yoruba dialect(olukunmi),now extinct.It is not anymore because of assimilation of the people and language into Igbo

exotik:
ok. but who is eze chime? was he not the same bini man ikhime as iguefi has claimed? or u want to pretend eze chime never existed in anioma?

I've asked you to provide a link on the story abt ikhime/eze chima but you didn't. I'd like the read one that doesnt refer to the man as "eze chime".

exotik:
ok cool. im yet to go thru the list thoroughly since i am posting with my fone. but i noticed kwale was not grouped as igbo. why so? i thought u claimed they were igbo?

kwale is Ukwuani. I am Ukwuani. We are Igbo. In the '70s, various Igbo groups/clans were given separate identities to divide and weaken us after the Biafra war. A lot of us went with it and denied being Igbo twort discrimination by the FG,etc. Obviously it aint work. Ours is a totally different case from yours.

exotik:
but u have also failed to provide "rebuttals with direct evidence" to all iguefi has written extensively about. he said there are yoruba groups in anioma who speaking a language that is primarily yet u claimed it was igbo. oh i get it, u are not for diversity

Do you know exactly what he meant by "primarily"? Do to assimilation, they are now Igbos. Olukumi is an extinct dialect.They accept the title Igbo as well.

he also wrote of how igbos corrupted ikhime to chime and i guess since u are against diversity, u also don't believe dat but have failed to provide evidence to support your claim.

I have nothing to do with the ikhime story.

and if my group is carved into a "yoruba" state, my swag will remain dat of an ovbiedo kpataki.

This is because you have already been in Edo state. If you had been in Ondo or Ekiti from the beginning, you'd have a different take on the issue. You'd be scream 'Omo Yoruba sileeeee!"

exotik:
and why was ijaw not included in the list? their identity was included in the list? and who were they grouped as in dat list? igbo?

The Ijaw are the Izon people. The names are well known and used interchangibly.

I thank God.

exotik:
chyz, wot are u even saying? first u said:

"The itsekiri were labeled by Nigeria as Yorubas,"

then now u say:

"Clearly i said that Nigeria does not see the Itsekirirs as yoruba."

dat is why i said u should try to make sense with your posts and not just post for posting sake. well, unless u want to tell me your first quote was a typo and wot u meant was "The itsekiri were NOT labeled by Nigeria as Yorubas,"

I saw the typo and corrected it. I meant "NOT labeled".

exotik:
and then my question would be why not? is it becos they have been able to establish, strengthen and sustain their identity for centuries long before the british came with the yoruba identity? and well, the usen identity was also etablished, strenghtened and sustained long before the british came with the yoruba identification or categorization or whatever you choose to called it.

The "usen" did get it as easy as the itsekiri did. They not only were carved out of the old western region which later let to them being in Delta state as of now but were also given the recognition by Nigeria as a seperate and distinct identity apart from the yoruba. In fact from what I'm hearing, you all are even more "yoruba" than them.They can actual slide,lol.

As for the usen identitity strength, obviously it was not strong enough to get you all a separate identity from the "Yoruba" label as the itsekiri. In fact I myself even hesitate calling them yoruba clan. Even you said that your group wasn't found on the list of nigerian ethnic groups. I also told you that it(Usen) is not found on google either.

and i will check the pic u posted later on my lappy cos i don't see pic on my fone. otherwise like i have told u repeatedly, usen people are edo people and whether we appear in a diagram as edo or not does not change that fact coz i just checked the list of nigerian tribes posted on another thread, i didn't see my tribe usen.

Hey there's nothing wrong with being called an Edo, just keep in mind that it is not an ethnic group label. Aniomas are called Edos as well by some but we are Igbo. Itsekiris are called edos,urhobo,isoko are too. Let think of it like this, if your group were carved into a "yoruba" state your whole swag would be different.

and i don't really care about "pinning" you against the old dummy iguefi, i just want to know who is telling the truth on the thread. is it you? iguefi or agbontaen? coz all three of u claim to be from the same anioma. all of you cannot just be coming up with different versions of the same issue and expect anyone to take u seriously.

Me Ogbefi are pretty much saying the same thing but in different ways. His is more on the diversity side. Agbotean, is just ashamed to be Igbo(Identity crisis). Agbontean and Ogbuefi are both Ikas, I am not. Agbotaens information is false i've given examples and links from his hometown,even using a link that he provided, affirming that they are Igbo. You should go back and read it. He provides no direct rebuttal with evidence.

exotik:
well, mr or mrs chyz, i just checked the pic u posted, and it doesn't seem usen is not categorised as edo. and again, even if your map say otherwise, i never take such shyte as conclusive cos like i said someone just posted the tribes of nigeria and their states and outta 372 tribes posted, usen is missing from the list. so unless u want to tell me we do not exist in nigeria or dat we exist in a vacuum outside wot is regarded as "nigeria", i never take such maps and lists as conclusive. i take wot the people say they are as conclusive, and to my knowledge, i am yet to meet an usen person who identify as anything other than usen and edo.

Out of the 372 groups listed, Usen was not found. This is because Usen is under a group on that list and group is "Yoruba".

exotik:
it seems u are trying to be smart with the english language coz i see no difference between the words "termed" and "classified". and i already told u, we are "termed" or "classified" or whatever word u choose to use, we are edo people coz just like the itsekiris im yet to meet an usen person who "classified" or "termed" as anything else other than usen and edo

and who are the nigerians "labelling" the itsekiris as yorubas? coz i will say this again, im yet to meet an itsekiri person in real-life who "labelled" himself as yoruba.

Come on exotik, you can do better than that. Clearly i said that Nigeria does not see the Itsekirirs as yoruba. If an ethnic census was taken right now you would see itsekiri on it. They have their own distinct classification by the FG.

exotik:
and finally, if u don't take my word as the truth and u also say iguefi the supposed expert on anioma people is a liar and all the junk he has written so far i not the truth, then who is telling the truth? agbontaen? coz someone has to be telling the truth on this thread. abi u wan tell me say no one is telling the truth on this thread?

Your second write up is funny as well,lol. Now i know that you are deliberately acting like you misinterpreted what I wrote. Also, I like how you're trying to pin me against Ogbuefi, nice try. One thing that we have in common that you dont is that we are both Anioma. I'll leave it at that. One thing that you have to understand abt we igbos, what makes us/brings us together is out language. We have different origins(for lack of a better word). Threw assimilation, various people have become Igbo. This is what all of us have been trying to tell you.

Let me further show you ethnic mapping of the classification of itsekiri and Edo state ethnicities. As your brother Becomerich would say. . .See map :

https://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/uploads/maps/stateMaps/images/684e33e69135b0143fa618a1fe70e03d53b840bb.jpg

https://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/uploads/maps/stateMaps/images/bbf0dd0943da3c2d2e5f255a2d55242d273e3255.jpg


There is no such group classified as Usen but Itsekiri as its own seprarate classification. As you can see from the maps various groups are grouped in as "Edo" but this is because of heritage, state, and im guessing because the list would be too long. Even in the the Delta state map, at the edge you can see an area termed "Edo" but if you put the two states(Delta,Edo) together like a puzzle you can see that those tribes are actually the various tribes named in the Edo state map. Those named are distinct from the term edo in the Edo state map. However, in the Edo map, the ones called Edo are towards the center and are the Bini, Etsako, Esan. . .

[size=15pt]FG gives firm 2 weeks ultimatum to dredge Imo River[/size]

From JULIANA TAIWO-OBALONYE

Wednesday, August 03, 2011




The Federal Government has given Dayson Holding Limited, a core investor of Aluminium Smelter Company of Nigeria (ALSCON) to come up with a technical implementation strategy, bill of quantity, operational plan and design and roadmap for the dredging of Imo River within two weeks.

It government frowned at the delay to dredge the Imo River after Dayson Holding Limited had signed an agreement in 2005 and collected the sum of $120,000,000 (N19.2 billion), and ordered the company to act fast or face the music.

Government also called on the company to resolve whatever problem it had with relevant stakeholders on the acquisition and effectiveness of the company, expressing displeasure on the undercurrent move to bring in a subsidiary that was not originally part of the contract agreement signed.

Vice President, Namadi Sambo, gave the charge at a meeting with the Minister of Transport, Management of Dayson, Bureau of Public Enterprises and other stakeholders, stressing that it was unacceptable for Rusal, which was a technical partner of Dayson but not mentioned in the privatization agreement to be running ALSCON.

He directed that the relevant clause in the agreement be amended to reflect the situation on ground, adding that the position of Rusal should be spelt out in the acquisition agreement such that it bridges the gap between both companies as Rusal was a subsidiary of Dayson Holdings.

Sambo also constituted a committee comprising Nigeria Electricity Regulatory Commission (NERC), Bureau of Public Enterprises (BPE), National Gas Company, Gas Aggregator, Shell and Dayson to ensure that Dayson obtains a licence to be able to generate and sell electricity and guide Dayson on all procedures to be adopted. The committee has two weeks to submit its report.

The vice president also noted that the purpose for privatizing the company was not achieved as intended by government, stating that ALSCON was sold because of its potentials and viability.
He directed BPE, Dayson and the Legal Department of his office to meet and address the lingering lacuna in the privatisation agreement.

The vice president further stated that government was ready to offer all the necessary guarantees to Shell Petroleum Development Company to enable them supply the gas requirement of ALSCON so that they coiuld put the power plant of 500 mega watts to effective use. He also directed them to report their actions in two weeks time.

Earlier, Dayson said it had planned to produce electricity and sell it to the unbundled companies for connection to the national grid but that there should be a commercial framework for gas to be supplied to the company.

It said by the end of 2012, it would ensure that it attains its desire to connect to the national grid but regretted that there was no enough gas for now to get the company work half of its capacity.
The National Gas Company also complained that unless the issue of unpaid subsidy was cleared it might not be possible to supply the product.

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/aug/03/national-03-08-2011-029.html

@exotik, better example.

[size=13pt]Itsekiris are Ijebu descendants, says Awujale, calls for Ijebu state
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By Ernest Nwokolo
Published 2/05/2010
   


The Awujale of Ijebuland, Oba Sikiru Kayode Adetona, has declared that the Itsekiri people currently in Delta State are descendants of the Ijebu stock and part of the greater Yoruba nation.

The monarch said the Itsekiri people in Delta State are true Ijebu sons and daughters stressing that the Itsekiris in the Niger Delta still retain core Ijebu dialect in their language. He said migration for expansion and survival accounted for why they are currently in the Niger Delta area.

The monarch who spoke to journalists as part of preparation for his 50th year anniversary celebration in June this year, also expressed disgust over the nation’s economy being controlled by the federal government, saying it does not augur well for rapid development of the country adding that it undermines self-actualization.

Awujale noted that the only time monarchs in Yorubaland ever came together to see each other  was in 1937 when the colonial masters then worked to forge peaceful relationship ‘among us as a way of reducing the inter-tribal wars and its attendants effects."

" We are never one. We are different people and that is the truth. If I speak my Ijebu language, neither somebody from Ekiti, Ondo nor Ibadan will understand and if any person from any of those places speak his, I won’t understand," Oba Adetona said.

Adetona who is often referred to as Orisa Ijebu by his subjects, said it is the uniqueness of the Ijebu people that is behind the agitation for an Ijebu State to be excised from the present Ogun State. He expressed confidence that the dream would be a reality in his lifetime. However, in a statement by the Egbe Irapada Oodua, EIRO on Saturday, the group said the ancestry of the Yoruba people as descendants of Oduduwa has been settled by "intellectuals of international standing both at home and abroad after intensive research which began around 1050 AD."

The group in a statement by Dr Akinlola Sowumi, leader of the group in Ogun State, noted that the Ijebus deserve to have a state but that the agitation could be waged without resort to the distortion of timeless historical evidence about the history of the Yoruba people.

http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/45041/1/Itsekiris-are-Ijebu-descendants-says-Awujalecalls-for-Ijebu-state/Page1.html

As you can see, the guy is making up multiple stories just to separate his clan from the rest.

exotik:
are itsekiri people classified as yoruba in delta state? or u guys classified them as igbo? id love to get the answer from u coz im yet to meet an itsekiri person who classified as any thing other than itsekiri in real-life.

@bolded, gbam, That is exactly the point i am making. Another reason that I said the Ijebu case would have been a better example. The itsekiri were not labeled by Nigeria as Yorubas, therefore, there is nothing to "break away" from when it come to an independent identity.

exotik:
i already answered your question we are edo people. but dis is what your expert on anioma history wrote

@ the bolded, try again. Im not talking about what you are termed as, but I am saying what you are classified as by the Nigerian state as a whole. Bini people are called Edo people, Urhobo are called Edo people, Afemai people are called Edo people. Do they speak the same language, no. they will be classified as something else.

exotik:
"within our territory are people claiming a Yoruba origin and till this day speak a dialect which is primarily Yoruba with serious saturation of Igbo words."

^^

he said the language they speak till date is primarily yoruba, keyword -- primarily. and here u are telling me it is igbo.

how can a language that is primarily yoruba with igbo loan words be igbo?

So now the person you've been arguing with for a number of pages and calling him a revisionist and wrong is now the most factual person you've ever met. You are now using him as a reference of a point of yours? Lol.

exotik:
so it is usenland that is classified as yorubaland? try to make sense with your posts and stop posting nonsense just for posting sake.

When classifications of various groups in Edo made what group is Usen put under? When Classification of ethnic groups are made in Delta, what group are the Itsekiris put under?

exotik:
but u want to force your identity on them and claim they are igbo and then separate from their mother-group(yoruba)

They dont have a yoruba mother-group, thats the think. They are Igbo with yoruba decent. They speak Igbo and bear igbo names and practice Igbo culture as well. Just like the other clans. The writer of the article pposted is a yoruba and not even from anywhere near Ugbodu

exotik:
and sorry to break your heart anioma is not strictly igbo. even iguefi has stated that there are indigenous yoruba people in anioma

There is no such thing as indigenous yoruba in Anioma. There are Igbos with yoruba decent. Those yorubas that came were from Ondo. Any way, lets go your way and say Lagos, Oyo,and,etc are not Stricly yorubaland, Igbos have settled there for years.

exotik:
dat does not even make sense unless u are telling me the itsekiris are also trying to separate demselves from the so-called mother-group(yoruba)

The itsekiriland is not classified as yoruba or yorubaland. However, we could used the Ijebu as an example.

exotik:
if dat is what u call efforts, ok cool.

and let me keep if "alive" and let me tell u what will likely happen in the future anioma state. u will have groups of people that will still not identify as igbo and they will start demanding for their own state, and anioma will be further broken down and eventually each local govt will become a state in nigeria and it still won't change a gatdamned thing.

That's nothing new. It happens all over nigeria. To every ethnic group. Even the Ndokwa people and trying to separate from Ukwuani. Even your own group the Usen, which is a yoruba clan with Bini influences, are trying to separate itself from its mother-group(Yoruba). Your clan is not eh only group in yorubaand that is trying to do that either.

exotik:
and migration can also happen in an occupied land.

so i guess all the ritualised activities in igboland that use people for blood money till this present day has nothing to do with juju and witchcraft. and there are already enough insults and stereotypes flying in this thread from people who are desperate to prove that anioma is part of igboland and not part of another group. but the thing they forget is those same stereotypes and insult can easily and equally go round. and speaking of vultures, the most vultures i have ever seen in my life was in igboland. vultures were so numerous that i became scared to eat chicken cos it was even an igboman dat even told me outta jest not to be so sure that the bird im eating is chicken, dat it might be vulture.

and all the posts from this thread already shows dat anioma is not strictly igbo so i don't need to prove dat they are non-igbo. and because of some of the so-called nri-igbo cultural influences, some may ignore other aspects of their cultures dat has nothing to do with igbo and they may choose or may be forced to identify as igbo becos of political reasons.

I think I can speak for where I'm from. Anioma is STRICTLY Igboland. Just like any other ethnic land, non-indigenous people have come in and mixed in with the people of land which they arrived. This is nothing new.  If we are to go down your line we can also say that yoruba land is not strictly yoruba because of the high amount of Igbo settlers there. The same goes for Hausaland.

exotik:
it is self-explanatory coz "i don't care enough".

Why not? Its a question abt your own people.

exotik:
ok cool. but i don't care enough to share with u. i guess u will have to wait for iguefi to google the names for u. he is good at using google.

@bolded, why is that?

exotik:
why do u care to know?

I've always been interested in non-majority tribes. Always good to know what else is out there.

exotik:
^^ ok, then u will have to wait for the edo version.

What is are a few common Usen names?

exotik:
did google fail u? if u couldn't use the english version try the igbo version that was influenced by nri and not aro. . . .hahahaha

Google doesn't say.

@exotik,

what LGA are the Usen in?