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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 10:14am On Jan 05
Cindino20:
@all Happy New year and all the best in 2021.

I ve questions about rain water collector.

1. Should I use PVC or aluminium ?
2. It seems I ve the option to choose between Nigerian, Chinese and American/Canadian peoducts..which will you recommend in terms of Durability?
3. Can anyone please recommend any good product?

Thank you very much in advance.

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 12:47pm On Jan 04
@all Happy New year and all the best in 2021.

I ve questions about rain water collector.

1. Should I use PVC or aluminium ?
2. It seems I ve the option to choose between Nigerian, Chinese and American/Canadian peoducts..which will you recommend in terms of Durability?
3. Can anyone please recommend any good product?

Thank you very much in advance.

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 11:39pm On Dec 14, 2020
n3xt:


Thanks bro for your question.

My plasterboard guy is out of reach for some time now. I’m also not a POP contractor so I might not be able to do exactly what you’re looking for. I’m just an enduser like you and every other enquiry minds here.

However, here’s something I do whenever I’m working on POP and many other finishing works that are billed per m² :

1. Get a Breakdown Cost

Unfortunately I do not always accept a per m² on most of my bids. I always ask my tradespeople to furnish me with a quote which includes an outline plan for how the money estimated will be spent, and a breakdown of the items it will be spent on.

I always encourage the bidder to include his best rates as I don’t like doing too much negotiations.

The reason I don’t accept per m² billing is simply because I don't feel comfortable having someone bill a fixed rate for a specific element of the works that is not yet defined in enough detail for him to accurately price.

E.g. I don’t like too many decorations on my ceiling (just plain and cornices) but my wife would like us to have quoin, ceiling rose, dome, archs, cornices etc in some part of the project . Despite the difference, we were billed the same amount N8,000 per m²

2. My Build Route: Owner-Builder Approach

When building projects get to finishing stage, I always switch mode from a general contractor (a GC) to owner-builder/owner-contractor mode to physically handle some of the finishing work on my own.

This means I planned to exclude GCs (and their fees) altogether, and intend to directly oversee all the skilled trade subcontractors who do the actual field work.

The whole effort is to save money - nothing more.

Given this background, let’s compare costs of installing a traditional POP ceiling (using gypsum plaster) vs using plasterboard in a 12m² room.


________
POP Ceiling

POP Ceiling per m² - #8,000 (material and labour cost as at today)
POP Ceiling per m² - #800 - #1,500 (cost varies per design)
Bag of POP Cement - #10,200
Kg of POP sponge - #3,500

Number of Cornices* / Bag of POP Cemen - 7 (big cornice)

Note: smaller cornices can produce as much as 12 pcs per bag or even more. A 12m² room will use maximum of 1.5 bags of POP cement for cornice production.


Cost of 12m² room (#8,000 x 12m²) = #96,000 (material and labour)

Cost of 12m² room (#800 x 12m²) = #9,600 (labour only for cornice and screeding of a plain design)

________
Plasterboard

Plasterboard installation per m² = #12,000 (materials and labour cost as at today)
1.2 x 3m sheet of plasterboard = #7,000 - #9,000

* A sheet of 1.2 x 3m plasterboard will cover 3.6m². A 12m² room will require 3.5 plasterboards (estimated at #31,500)

** Professional installation of plasterboard (including the grills) is charged at 1,500 per m² (newly adjusted rate).

*** We are not installing the plasterboards the professional way as it’ll be used as a replacement for the POP boards. The 3 boards will be screwed to the ceiling noggin and held in place with the help of the cornices. The experience of the installer matters a lot here.

**** Adding the cost of producing 15m - 20m cornice and the cost of screeding a 12m² ceiling, plus the cost of hanging the plasterboards (N6k max), the total cost of installing a 12m² ceiling using Plasterboard as a replacement for the conventional POP boards will still be #10 - #15k cheaper.



Thank you very much for the detailed analysis.

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 3:22pm On Dec 14, 2020
n3xt:


This same question is what I asked myself few years ago. I have my noggins already and the cost of POP is overreaching. Then I decided to go with plasterboard as an alternative to the traditional POP boards.

The above approach removed the need for the plasterboard accessories as I’m just using it as an alternative to the traditional POP boards.

Every other components remain the same. The difference is in the number of cement I’ll be using to cover a room and the labour charges.

Any other material that can be screeded over can easily replace POP boards in this case e.g. asbestos, cement boards, plywood, polystyrene etc.

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The whole idea is to think outside the box and stop approaching construction with a typical naija man “pre-fixed mindset”

Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 3:16pm On Dec 14, 2020
n3xt:


This same question is what I asked myself few years ago. I have my noggins already and the cost of POP is overreaching. Then I decided to go with plasterboard as an alternative to the traditional POP boards.

The above approach removed the need for the plasterboard accessories as I’m just using it as an alternative to the traditional POP boards.

Every other components remain the same. The difference is in the number of cement I’ll be using to cover a room and the labour charges.

Any other material that can be screeded over can easily replace POP boards in this case e.g. asbestos, cement boards, plywood, polystyrene etc.

_______
The whole idea is to think outside the box and stop approaching construction with a typical naija man “pre-fixed mindset”


Boss can you please drop the plaster board's contact? or if you re the contractor, do a comparative analysis between pop ceiling and plaster board ceiling using a typical 12 m² room.

As you can see, alot of builders need an alternative to Pop ceiling due to the price of Pop cements...for others like us..we just want to learn.

Thank you in advance.

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 12:30pm On Dec 12, 2020
twinskenny:

Same Gbadexy

He has supplied for some of my project with no issue

Boss can you please tell me the name of the product he supplied and others you can recommend.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 12:28pm On Dec 12, 2020
DancingSkeleton:
A friend bought of bag of POP cement today here in Benin for N12,500 shocked shocked shocked I’m gradually losing interest as regards to using pop for my project next year.


At 12,500 it makes sense to wait a month or two and see how the situation develops..if it continues then look for cost effective and safe alternative.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 12:17pm On Dec 12, 2020
gbadexy:

Thank you sir my able chairman.
I really don't understand what they meant by velvet. Maybe they meant matte or silk.
If the plaster is smooth, you could prime it and apply matte. A primed wall looks much better than un primed wall with matte. It would make the final colour appear bright.
The sheen on satin would eventually dull outside and it's too light to be very durable on external surface.
Painters use different terms to describe paints. Some call satin rubber paint.

@gbadexy and @all

Can you please recommend good paint companies to purchase emulsion, Satin and Matte(Velvet) from?

Thank you very much in advance.

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 12:03pm On Dec 10, 2020
Takoro13:

How do you think this is the best answer to that question? The listed allocations are limited to some areas. Remember the hike in price is not limited to that area alone.

I stop my project bcs of the dramatic increase in price of building materials

Where are we going in this country. Bad or no policy is the father of this problem

Peace!

I didnt quite get his answer too...

I hope things get back to normal so you can continje your project.

All the best

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 2:05pm On Dec 09, 2020
yinkaoke:
Hi all,
Please who knows the price of a scarfolding pipe used to mount water thank.
Or who can help me with estimates of how much he or her spent on scarfolding for water thank

in Benin I paid 350k for 20 ft Water tank stand made of steel pipe with bracing.

All the best.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 1:27pm On Dec 09, 2020
EgunMogaji2:


Thanks Oga Mi. A lot of my crazy ideas that were formed while I was still in the USA are now placed on back burners. First, because I don't want to play with other peoples money, just mine. And secondly, the real not online Nigerian landscape. How you guys manage to get anything done is a wonder.

Imagine giving a business plan to someone when cement was N2,500 and it's now N4K.

We need price control in this country.

Exactly...we may need price control else things may spiral out of hand..It seems people just wake up and Jack up prices...to be honest, I still dont get the readon for this last set of price increase

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 1:22pm On Dec 09, 2020
n3xt:


By buying from Government Affordable Housing Schemes

but these prices will be adjusted for the next round to take into account the new cost of materials..we re seeing more than 50% price increase in building materials (more for some items e.g. pop cement) and this will invariably lead to price increase even in subsidised housing. We re nt seeing an equivalent increase in salary or earning power of Nigerians...

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 8:13am On Dec 09, 2020
davodyguy:

July, it was around ₦5000

The middle men and distributor's greed.

This has nothing to do with Buhari or recession


Yea..I paid around 3500 in Feb or so..thats almost 260% increase in price..considering I used 90 bags or so...that brings in additional cost of 540 000 Naira...Truth be told...this is not sustainable..this is hyperinflation.

At this rate how will civil servants afford decent home with their salary?

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 9:33pm On Dec 08, 2020
gbadexy:

Thank you sir my able chairman.
I really don't understand what they meant by velvet. Maybe they meant matte or silk.
If the plaster is smooth, you could prime it and apply matte. A primed wall looks much better than un primed wall with matte. It would make the final colour appear bright.
The sheen on satin would eventually dull outside and it's too light to be very durable on external surface.
Painters use different terms to describe paints. Some call satin rubber paint.

Okay..

Thank you very much for the prompt feedback.

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 9:32pm On Dec 08, 2020
davodyguy:
May God help us and save this country for the sake of genuine hustlers

Took the strong steps of just closing my eyes

Bought 200 bags of cement @₦3200 (Lafarge)
Bought 100 bags of POP cement @₦9,000
Bought 50 Glova Paint
Bought 12 Vinko bond
More than enough original Coleman Cables (1.5mm, 2.5mm and 4mm)

The amount spent alone today is enough to complete a foundation for a 4 bedroom bungalow in some parts of NIGERIA


pop 9k cry cry cry
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 4:33pm On Dec 08, 2020
Cindino20:
Quick Question about painting

My initial layman Idea was to screed my external walls and use satin. However the 2 painters that ve checked the work so far has suggested I go for velvet and skip screeding/satin for external walls. Their argument is that satin peels off after some time due to harsh external conditions.

Can anyone confirm if they ve used velvet instead of satin for external walls? if yes, is this method better than screeding/satin?

More so...How do you prevent soaked wall during painting..I did German floor with the water proof stuff as advised here but I am thinking there is a "painting method" to further reduce this problem. If anyone has an idea of what works...please inform me.

Thank you very much in advance.


I also will like to thank everyone here..amazing work you guys are doing pro bono. it was here 4 yrs ago I realised I could build a house 5000km away from home with lil penny I was earning as Doctoral candidate and in the coming weeks, my 180 m² home will be ready.

For this I say thank you @all and keep the thread alive.

Happy Holidays!

C.

cc @gbadexy
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 4:32pm On Dec 08, 2020
jabolo:


I bet @gbadexy is scribbling a response now ... He da man!

Happy Holidays too.


Thanks you!
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 1:27pm On Dec 08, 2020
Quick Question about painting

My initial layman Idea was to screed my external walls and use satin. However the 2 painters that ve checked the work so far has suggested I go for velvet and skip screeding/satin for external walls. Their argument is that satin peels off after some time due to harsh external conditions.

Can anyone confirm if they ve used velvet instead of satin for external walls? if yes, is this method better than screeding/satin?

More so...How do you prevent soaked wall during painting..I did German floor with the water proof stuff as advised here but I am thinking there is a "painting method" to further reduce this problem. If anyone has an idea of what works...please inform me.

Thank you very much in advance.


I also will like to thank everyone here..amazing work you guys are doing pro bono. it was here 4 yrs ago I realised I could build a house 5000km away from home with lil penny I was earning as Doctoral candidate and in the coming weeks, my 180 m² home will be ready.

For this I say thank you @all and keep the thread alive.

Happy Holidays!

C.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 1:20pm On Dec 08, 2020
Dijita:


Idumota is a name that always give me some feeling. It was the place I shell out #25000 to buy Sonny TV and VCR when a plot of land was going for #12000 in Abijo. Every time I am in Lagos island the memory always hunt me. The foolishness of my youth. I could have bought NEC or Goldstar(LG) for half the price and be watching that plot(with a 4 room face me face you) appreciating today
grin cheesy cheesy cheesy

what yr was this?
Education / Re: Thread For PHD Students by Cindino20(m): 4:04pm On Nov 27, 2020
speakout2015:
Kindly update the group with summary of any of your published work/results based on your research interest so that we can learn and understand you more better. Thanks!


if you re interested in electrochemistry/rechargeable batteries, below is the link to my google scholar page. It contains my publications thus far. The results from my doctoral work will be published in the coming months.



C.

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Education / Re: Thread For PHD Students by Cindino20(m): 4:00pm On Nov 27, 2020
taiwo92:





Impressive.
Can we connect Dr?
Mean while my own profile goes this

B.Eng Civil Engineering/Nigeria
MSC in view Environmental Enginering Munich, Germany.

Research Interest: Climate change, water , energy and food nexus, sanitation in global south, sustainable development in developing countries.

sure we can connect..check PM.

C.
Education / Re: Thread For PHD Students by Cindino20(m): 1:09pm On Nov 27, 2020
Cindino20:
Name:Cindino

B.Sc. Chemistry, Ekpoma Nigeria
M.Sc. Chemistry (Electrochemistry), Bochum Germany.
P.hD in view Electrochemical engineering (Energy systems).Bremen Germany.

Research Interests.

Aqueous battery systems for Grid scale Energy storage.
Desalination Batteries
Trace metal recovery using battery systems (Eco-Friendly lithium recovery)
Ion pumping techniques.
Intercalation chemistry
Fabrication and optimization of technologies based on mixed cation intercalation.
Electrochemical Impedance spectroscopy.(Dynamic and static).

Aim Here: Networking.




Updated!

B.Sc. Chemistry, Ekpoma, Nigeria
M.Sc. Chemistry (Electrochemistry), Bochum Germany.
P.hD (Dr.-Ing.) Energy systems-Rechargebale batteries, Bremen Germany.
Project Leader/PostDoc-Leading third Party Explorative project developing and investigating solid-state electrolytes and solid-state batteries.

Research Interests.
Solid-state batteries
Next-generation rechargeable batteries
Developing new materials for rechargeable batteries
Developing and optimising advanced electrochemical techniques
Voluntary Teaching Electrochemistry in Nigeria (ASUU willing cheesy)

Aim Here: Networking


C.

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 2:15pm On Nov 05, 2020
Cindino20:



As a follow up to our conversation..... My Shower height is abt 9ft and the Iron guy said 3ft of the water stand will go beneath the ground level...thats abt 12ft....To get good pressure I am considering going for 20 ft, which wll give me ca. 8ft above my shower.

Do you think this will be enough to get good water pressure?

I will also aprecise the input of others who ve done over head water tank.

Thank you very much in advance.

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 10:05am On Nov 05, 2020
michlins:
maximum of 12ft for a bungalow. Who told you 18 to 25ft

If you get the measurements yourself,climb the roof of the building and measure to the ground floor that should give you about 12 to 13ft maximum. Now consider that there will be base foundation upon which the channel will rest upon which will be at least 16" so do the maths yourself


As a follow up to our conversation..... My Shower height is abt 9ft and the Iron guy said 3ft of the water stand will go beneath the ground level...thats abt 12ft....To get good pressure I am considering going for 20 ft, which wll give me ca. 8ft above my shower.

Do you think this will be enough to get good water pressure?

I will also aprecise the input of others who ve done over head water tank.

Thank you very much in advance.

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 10:27am On Oct 31, 2020
michlins:
maximum of 12ft for a bungalow. Who told you 18 to 25ft

If you get the measurements yourself,climb the roof of the building and measure to the ground floor that should give you about 12 to 13ft maximum. Now consider that there will be base foundation upon which the channel will rest upon which will be at least 16" so do the maths yourself

Thank you very much for the feedback...My plumber is suggesting 25 ft or so...It seems from the suggestion here that it is okay as far as the tank above the roof/shower level.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 9:17am On Oct 31, 2020
EgunMogaji2:


What I've seen posted is that at a minimum the bottom of the tank has to be at or above the shower head.

Thank you very much Sir!

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 8:59am On Oct 30, 2020
Hello All,

What is the recommended height of water stand for good water pressure for Bungalow?

18ft ...20ft or 25ft?


Thank you very much in anticipation of a prompt response.

C.

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Nairaland / General / Re: Population Explosion In Nigeria by Cindino20(m): 9:33am On Aug 30, 2020
adamsonagada:
Good day
Kindly check your email, I have some questions I would like to ask.

Thanks


Check mail.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 9:56pm On Aug 06, 2020
michlins:
good evening sir. If you check my previous posts on this thread, you will see that I have such doors for sale.

And to your question about using steel doors as internal doors, the noise is very negligible once the rooms are fully occupied because there will be no echo that will magnify the noise

Thank you very much

on your doors..um, thanks but no thanks
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 9:55pm On Aug 06, 2020
michlins:
good evening sir. If you check my previous posts on this thread, you will see that I have such doors for sale.

And to your question about using steel doors as internal doors, the noise is very negligible once the rooms are fully occupied because there will be no echo that will magnify the noise

thanks but no thanks

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Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 11:14am On Aug 06, 2020
DFAMEGUY11S:
good morning sir , well I have something like this contact me with this https:///2347087953771 for samples or pictures and price



Hello

thanks for the prompt feedback


something like the Hdf or the watson door?


My question was if someone has used the watson steel door as internal doors?

in any case i will write you so we can talk better

Thanks

C.
Properties / Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Cindino20(m): 10:20am On Aug 06, 2020
davodyguy:

Please check the mail you used in registering on Nairaland.

The factory is not far from that popular GT bank on Agege Motoroad. Not sure of street name

You can access through Ilupeju bypass from Town Planning Way
Lagos

Can you please share his contact. I am actually looking for something like this..someone that can deliver to Benin-city. (Edit: I just saw his number you posted)

Rant

The hassle is most of them don't accept payment on delivery..They seem to want payment upfront and since I don't ve someone in lagos to help me do the transaction..it is a bit risky on my side.

Also on doors

Has anyone use Watson time Steel doors (see attachment) for internal doors?

they look okayish but I am not sure if steel doors can be used as internal doors.

Thank you very much in anticipation of prompt and useful feedbacks.

C.

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