boay:


You made a nice point.

But I guess you meant Bills of Quantities (BOQ) when you wrote BBQ?

Corrected....thanks

CostEngr:
What is the rough estimate to build a 2-Bedroom Flat Bungalow( ensuite rooms with a visitor toilet).
Ditto 3-Bedroom Bungalow too.

I will budget 7 million naira. plus or minus 1 million depending on your taste.

The low figures thrown around in this forum and most BOQ often does not contain things that makes a house liveable in Nigeria.

Water supply : Borehole
Security: Fence and gate
Flooring of comppund..you dont wanna walk directly on mud right out of ur door.
External electrification from house to grid.
External lighting.

I think people who prepare BOQ should try to include these things so people getting into building a home would plan properly.

BTW you dont ve to the money at once u can work in phase...lil drops of water make an ocean.

All the best.

NB: I m just a property enthusiast.

Redman44:
@ Hajji M,

I don't know the actual sizes and depth size. But you can guage the depth and sizes via the pictures. I will try and get the sizes as soon as possible. However, do you think there is a need for plaster sand? And 1 tipper for that matter ? Hmn.

you dont know the depth of the soakaway in your own house and u re expecting someone else to guage it with pictures

without the dimension and the information about the site,no one can comment on the quote you ve up there.

If you ve doubts about the materials buy them yourself and just pay for workmanship whatever is left you use for other stuffs.

rotecch77:
We are here for you

Good day Mr.Rotech..Check your whatsapp.

oliverjiad:
it'll cost u 850k

Jaid

thanks


for clearing I suppose?

Good day all,

Thanks to the contributors in this topic..315 pages..wow..more like a data base.

I would like to enquire about the cost of shipping from Germany (roro) and clearing (with all associated cost) of a mercedes GLK 220 CDI first registration: 2009 with 213Km mileage.

if possible the cost of selling such a vechile after one mth of usage in Nigeria.

thanks in anticipation for a prompt reply

C.

3him3n:
Good to have you here. I dont get easily swayed by calling the name of God in vain.
Should i share screenshot of our WhatsApp engagement here?

Bro since he is here just try to get him to change the doors that didnt meet specification.

Hopefully you guys find a reasonable solution.

Peace

adanny01:


I am no seller, i am not selling either services or goods. I have no link whatsoever to the seller. I have no motive to be biased.

Criminal breach of trust or fraud is no small allegation.

Being active in the Autos section of Nairaland, i have seen a lot of fraud cases and your case is not even close to anyone of them. At some point you said you accepted the mistake made by the supplier. Its not like he collected the money and refused to pick your calls or supply the items. Its not that he collected money for original and supplied fake.

I have agreed with you that, your issues with orientation, colour, physical imperfections and to add now, the design pattern, are valid issues the seller should settle with you. These issues should not be regarded as criminal breach of trust or fraud especially if the quality of products is that which you ordered (except for the physically imperfect doors).

I am not against you, but please, dont say he defrauded you or any of the sort and then talk him into returning the ones that are unacceptable (especially the ones with dents and the wrong orientation).

if there is an issue with

1. Orientation
2.Colour
3.Physical imperfection

as you claim...why cant the Op qualify it as fraud..clearly there was an intent to deliver goods that did not meet the buyers specification by the seller ..this is fraud.

what is your point exactly then?

the seller advertized one thing and delivers another thing how is that not fraud my friend?

the definition of fraud is clear and simple

fraud
/frɔːd/
Learn to pronounce
noun
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

did the seller wrongfully or criminally decieve the op by sending him pictures of one item and delivering another?

did the seller profit from delivering items other than those advertised?

If the answer to the above questions re yes..then the op is qithin his right to call it fraud.

it will be better if we use this energy to ask the seller to right his wrong and save his business and desist from such acts in the future.

adanny01:


Yes its better to buy things you can see. I have bought things i have not seen severally especially on Jumia, Konga, Ali Express etc.

One time i bought a shirt from Jumia, the description didn't say it was a slim fit and i wasnt particularly a slim fit. Everything was fine but wont button up. I returned the item telling them their mistake. Did i pay for delivery or return, no.

I am only left to imagine why didnt the op simply reject the items, instead calling fraud. Is this fraud? Does the quality match, i think yes. The issues i see here is orientation, physical imperfections and colour. Which of these amount to fraud? That of colour is can be overlooked, the op overlooked the orientation. What is left is the 2 doors with imperfections.

At this point, op should have explored means to resolve the situation by rejecting the goods that didn't meet the specs and if the seller refused every resolution then he comes here.

Now, 17 doors were ordered, 2 are physically damaged. I say reject. 1 or 2 of the turkey doors have wrong orientation, i say reject. That is 4 of 17. What is wrong with the 13? Do we know? Are they in perfect shape and orientation, then accept them.

If 85k is tp for 17 doors and i rejected 4 which will be taken to Lag and back. Lets assume this cost 80k, it will not be wrong in the interest of peace to say, he will offset the supplier 20k to encourage him to take responsibility of his mistakes. Thats negotiation, i simply asked the op to negotiate a resolution. If the supplier owns up to his responsibility, he should pay in full for tp back and forth. Has the supplier refused to do that?

Find below the dictinary definition of fraud

fraud
/frɔːd/
Learn to pronounce
noun
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.

I will leave the interpretation for you to do.


Well..lets hope the issue is resolved. The seller can easily replace the items that did not meet specification.

Peace!

adanny01:


At least the issue is clearer now.

From the supplied pictures, i have seen imperfections (dents and scratches) with the two steel interior doors. Thats a problem for me as i would say they are not as clean as a new door supply should be. He is responsible for that since you paid him for transportation and they might have been damaged during TP. Also, the door as seen from the order pic is not the same colour as delivered, besides the polythene protection is still on, so you will not see how beautiful it is until its peeled off. Colour was not specified unless you specified exactly as seen.

For the door orientation, even though you never specifically demanded for any of the orientation, by given him the building plan, he should know better to install proper orientation for all your doors.

Having said that and if that is all your observations, i have the opinion that he has the responsibility of satisfying his client which he has failed. Efforts towards satisfactorily finalizing the deal by both of you should have been made if not done already. Due to transportation cost and the fact that you already have settled with the wrong orientation of doors, your allegations have become too heavy and weighty for the case at hand.



Criminal breach of trust is not a case here. Fraud is also not the case here. Lack of integrity is not clear unless the doors are inferior quality.

A door supplier who doesn't know that he needs to install a left swing or right swing door is like a car dealer who doesn't know whether he is selling automatic or manual transmission. He messed up badly but its not fraud or criminal breach of trust.

If doors are not installed, you can negotiate a return of the doors and getting back correct orientation, cleanliness and colour preference. Why i said negotiation is because some of these specs are not in an agreement even though he messed up, you may need to support transportation back and forth. This is my advise.

he should pay for transportation when the seller did not deliver the right items? I dont understand how and why you expect him to do that.


I understand you trying to mediate and calm the situation down but truth be told the seller of these doors should be held accountable and be made to supply the right items.

The buyer can decide to pay half the transportation cost if he wants to.

as for Op..sometimes it is better to just buy these things in the city where u re building in a local shop where u can easily hold the seller responsible..Nigerians re not ready for e-commerce yet..there is no protection for the buyers/sellers of items online.

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spartan117:
I'm a Benin man. The Bini's don't have any particular deity or god that they worship, they engage in ancestral worship.

So I doubt the authenticity of that statement that have ascribed to the oba. Which god was he referring to
The Bini's have no god, just ancestors.

This is not true. even if we are not sure about the quote which has been attributed to Oba Akenzuwa N'isorho.

It is important to push back on your narrative that the binis dont have any deity or God. We had and still have.

In Bini, it is believed that Ogoduwa N' Udazi also referred to as Osanobua (God almighty) created the Universe and sent his children to earth. The children became gods which inlcudes but not limited to Olokun, Ogun, Orumila, Osun, Ogiuwu etc.

The Binis worship Ogoduwa in different ways, praying and asking any of the children of Ogoduwa to intercede on their behalf or asking for favours directly from the gods(Children of Ogoduwa)

This form of worhsip which is still widely practised today in Benin predates our encounter with the europeans. To prove this, the phrase 'Ogie no rie iso (Ogiso)' which was used to describe the first ruler (Oba) of Igomigodo (Former name of the Benin Kingdom) was first used in 40BC and the term 'Ogie nor rie iso' translates to the King in the sky.

The Binis as at 40BC already believed that there was a God somewhere even before our first encounter with the portugese in the 16th century.

Yes the Binis also ask their ancestors to intercedes for them and make sacrifices to them. The way the Binis worship is complex and differs from community to community but to say that they dont ve gods/Diety is false.

I will encourage you to read up on the History of Benin kingdom you can get the new book about the Kingdom which was launched in october.

Uniqueness01:
Nice pictures I must say.

thanks

joycluv:
Good morning all. We're all welcome to a new week! Plz can anyone help me understand how I can get the square meters of a house measuring 12,435mm X 12,200mm.

first convert from millimetre to metre then multiply both to get m^2 (sqm)


12,435mm = 12.435 m

12,200mm = 12.200 m

12.435 m * 12.200 m= 151.707 m^2.

kennygee:
Mykonos, Greece is a sweet place, especially as a honeymoon destination.

My dream destination.

add Santorini to it(see attachment fig.1)...Greece is incredibly beautiful...I was blown away by the beauty of Rhodos and its rich History.

fig. 2 is the beach in Lindos Greece (pics from my last trip)..the view from the stairs leading to the acropolis of Lindos

Population Explosion!!!

It is no longer news that the population of Nigeria is growing at an alarming rate. Under normal circumstances, such growth will be strength but in our case it is not as the population growth rate exceeds the growth rate of public infrastructure and development by far which gives cause for concern.

At the beginning of this millennium (year 2000) the population of Nigeria was ca. 122 million, the national bureau of statistics report which was published in the Vanguard in june 2018 indicates that as at 2018 the population of Nigeria is ca.193 million...thats an increase of 71 million in 18 years ca. 3.94 million per annum population growth rate...To put it into contest we ve added the combine population of Italy and Sweden in 18 years or the population of Southern Africa (South Africa, Botswana, Namibia Lesotho and Swaziland) and Mauritania put together in 18 years

Mind you these numbers i presume excludes the estimated 15 million Nigerians residing in the Diaspora.

The implication of such an increase in population growth rate without an equivalent growth rate in infrastructural development is huge and cannot be quantified.

A prime example of the problem associated with such population explosion is that between 2010 and 2015, of the ca. 10 million applicants to Nigerian tertiary institution, only 26% gained admission.

We ve also seen an exponential increase in unemployment, housing shortages, just to name a few problems associated with such population explosion.

This population explosion is not sustainable at least not at this rate. We are sitting on a keg of gun powder.

Do we continue to look the other way as our population explode without an equivalent growth in infrasctructure and development like we do to other problems hoping that a divine being will fix the problem we re creating for ourselves or do we look at each other and tell ourselves the honest truth which is we cannot continue like this and find a solution to this problem?

Links

https://www.tribuneonlineng.com/51570/
http://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-africa-by-population/
https://qz.com/africa/1171606/nigeria-population-growth-rising-unemployment-and-migration-suggest-things-could-get-worse/



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Mustay:


Nice pictures you have there. They could pass for stock images. What did you use to snap them?

Don't blame Nigerians. They have been spoilt not to appreciate literature so the only kind of fun is partying, movies etc. The mention of museums to the average Nigerian is like a boring history class. If there is a successful attempt to change this, Nigerians will first visit Nigeria before anywhere else. Anyone that travels round Nigeria and has a little knowledge of history will appreciate Nigeria better. That way, they'll know more about the country and attract foreigners. It is the absence of these stories that makes it easy for politicians to divide us because we don't know ourselves, our places or heritage.

The foreigners will tell the story to suit their narrative. Little do we know that some history that emerged from Nigeria has been cut off because we don't care.

Abiola was recently given the GCFR award, Epetedo should be attracting visitors by now.

Thanks

I took them with a Nikon coolpix B700...I just point and shoot nothing much.

I agree with your submission.We seem not to fancy literature and History in Nigeria. The ministry of culture and tourism can try to grow this sector but they seem not to know their Job description.

In addition to what the Op ve stated up there.


1. Try to visit Museums...The Louvre in Paris has alot of art works and use a guide to learn more about the art works. you did be amazed with the History behind each art work and it also depicts how pple ve lived in the past...their passion, their culture etc

2. Visit momuments and archeological sites if there is one around...Greece is a place for this if you love ancient History.

3. Go siteseeing and take photographs. A photograph captures moment in real time and the events surrounding that picture will always come to mind when you see it.

4.Learn abit about the people...talk with the locals and find out what they know about your country...Nigeria does not have rhe best of image abroad...dont feel bad about this and dont argue..listen...the goal here is to listen and know what pple think about your country. Tell pple the good side of your xountry and a bit of your history too.


I will leave you with a picture of the acropolis of Lindos and the place of the Knights in Rhodos (Greece)

Thanks to the MOd you thought it wise to hide those posts filled with insults...Great Job!

It will also be nice if the Person(s) who ve used such words be banned as the rules of this forum suggests.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to learn anything here or have a meaningful discussion on here cos once you ve a contray opinion and you voice it out..you get called all sorts of names by "Mr Exposed".

Thanks


C.

EgunMogaji:


It's not my job to educate you.

You've forever lost any opportunity to ever have any meaningful discussion with me.

Foxtrot Oscar.

lols...Educate fire... ...Oga chill make u drink beer...

you re not as clever as you make urself think sir....maybe by 0.5 yes..

Plato must ve had you in mind when he opined an "empty vessel makes the loudest sound".

All the best sir!

EgunMogaji:


What exactly have you pointed out? You are just posting nonsense all morning.

1. How you plan to DIY plumbing and wiring for your project (assuming a 150m2 house) in Ibadan or wherever and at the same time how you plan to keep your Job/biz at you base?

2. Why didnt you use the DIY approach for your garage as Rubhiish ve pointed out?

3. Why are you pushing one narrative and doing something else?

4. why a supposedly "exposed" Guy with "brains" will push a narrative that tends to undermine professionalism in very delicate stages in constructing a home?

I will appreciate it you can answer these qiestions without insults.

Thanks

C.

Rubbiish:

But i think u are not being truthful to yourself, because you employed a bricklayer, someone wired & did the plumbing works for your garage apartment while u were far away..So why do u always shout DIY?

Thank you. and Immediately you point out this he starts throwing tantrums

EgunMogaji:


At first I thought this was a reasonable username. My mistake.

Very well, I’ll add it to the list of the other EgunMogajiHolics asshats who I let bark themselves hoarse baying at the moon.

God gave you opposable digits for a reason but I suspect that it didn’t give you the brain to match it.

Inept troglodyte.

wow!.. all that insult for pointing out your unrealistic "DIY"...Brain to what ...man! TF!

It seems you cant also make your points without throwing tantrums around..not cool mr "exposed"

If you re sure of the idea you re pushing then explain to us how you plan to do wiring and plumbing yourself with DIY and how you plan to merge this with your regular job/biz?

If you re not sure, stop pushing such narratives while in reality you re doing something else and then start throwin tantrums around when you get called out.


Man chill and drink a beer!

Ve a nice weekend!

Edit.

I will not bring myself to your level and start insulting you on a faceless forum...Seems you cannot have a discussion with someone who opposes your view all you re doing now is to throw insult...I willl take a pass for now...Avoid pushin unrealistic narratives Sir...

twinskenny:
There are company producing high grade by the way.. We've seen the like of coleman cable.. and I think there is another company producing high quality corper pipe for plumbing stuff. .

Okies nice...thanks for the info Boss

EgunMogaji:


I write from my point of view and you write from yours.

Some of us are more capable and exposed. You can choose to limit yourself but I never asked you to DIY your project.

Happy sunday sire!

I never knew exposure amounts to trying to do everything yourself and not employing experts...seems words ve new meanings limitation also seems to mean "not having wishful thinking"...Oh well what do I know....we learn everyday.

Keep us updated when you fix the wiring,plumbering and tiles of your project...you can as well try to dig the septic tank too

All the best!

C.

EgunMogaji:


Not to pick on you but this just shows how long we have to go in Nigeria.

There's nothing electrical that cannot be done by a homeowner. At worst the work needs to be checked by a licensed electrician before it will pass code enforcement. This is the standard here.

Some people build their homes themselves completely, from groundbreaking to roofing. It's all on YouTube.

We're not talking brain surgery here or charting a course to Mars.

Can you please tell me, if you care, what education and employment experience you have that makes you a professional electrician? Are you also licensed by the state?

As a lowly DIYer, I assure you that I have more and better equipment that you. Please don't join the bandwagon of dissing homeowners or DIYers.

DIY should be for small scale stuffs..or re you going to quit your paid job for 2weeks just to wire a house you can employ a skilled person to do? or do the plumbing of a storey building yourself?


DIY when it comes to building a home can come in form of a peoject manager even at that it is advisable to have a professional check some crucial stages...and truth be told if you ve the means..hand the building to a reputable firm with integrity and get your keys at the end...na owo nor dey make us dey wan use agidi run some matters.

the stress of managing a building project coupled with stress of a regular job/biz is enough..and you wanna extend it by adding Real DIY in wiring/plumbing .

somethings re easier said than done..will you quit your job or take an extensive leave to do the plumbing, tiles and electrical work at your site..when you can pay for the labour of such job with wages from less amount of time. Even a skilled craftsman will employ other skilled men to assist him...

I do Diy in lil stuffs like fixing click laminat fixing of other lil stuffs here but I wont advocate for a home owner to go the DIY route for wiring.....

mufutau55:


Yes. Only local wooden doors, the chinese/turkey doors are treated.

Hajji M.

re you implying that there are no treated wooden doors manufactured in Nigeria?

Is there no company producing/selling treated doors made locally in Nigeria?


or is it a matter of personal preference to buy foreign doors?

Pardon my curiosity..cos I find it abit strange that in 2018 we seem to import what i will term basic stuffs...doors, tiles etc..I just saw someone laying emphasis on foreign pipes ...TF! Pipes

Are there no companies fabricating or producing such items in nigeria (with similar quality and similar price)?

or is it a case of Nigerians just prefering to buy foreign stuffs?

Thanks

C.

the questions re open to all BTW...

dayooye:

only few people are really making sense here, a lot are damn ignorant. i am in the same situation with your brother, got to know about the AS thing after 3 years of courtship, we were kinda devastated and it was as if the relationship has come to an abrupt end. despite our grief at that moment we decided to seek medical help, got more informed and we indeed found out there is a way out. I sat down with both families and briefed them, everything boils down to MONEY. I am capable of handling the financial burden of either IVF or PGD and we are willing to take it to the next level as soon as she through with her NYSC. just as AA and AA marriage doesn't in any way equals to HAPPINESS, AS and AS marriage is not equal to DOOM. the key is to be well informed and make a sound decision.

I m forced to drop my comment after reading this..it is not my place to tell an adult what to do...to each is own....


my brother have you thought about what you re about to get into and the implications of the advise you re dishing out. thinj about some of the points below.

to advise people or to get married when you both are carriers in a country like Nigeria with the very bad state of the health care and bad shape of the economy is actually not a wise decision.

Even if the would be couple were to reside in a country with free and more advanced health care system i wont advise them to go on.

Do you ve an health insurance plan that covers these treatments? Do you even have an health insurance plan at all? if no will any health i surance take you on with such issues..i doubt cos they aint no fools and are set up to make money..to them you re just a bad client that will be avoided cos your future family will viewed as a client with "pre existing condition"

Today you re okay and can afford sampling and IVf...the economy is not risk proof and things can turn in a split second and really go sour especially in Nigeria's case where the economy is highly dependent on oil.

if things go south and your economic condition changes, will you be able to afford these treatments? is it not better to avoid them than set up your life to be dependent on such things?

I keep hearing sampling the Foetus baby and then do an abortion if the result is not favourable.

why in 2018 would any sane person gamble with things they can easily control..The science is there ..preventive medicine is cheaper. why put yourselves through this?

I am liberal as it gets but i dont see why someone will set up his life to regularly sample and do an abortion. Abortion should be done when needed and it is not something you should plan to do regularly. the effect of abortion on your would be wife you still dont know...if you were to be the one (the lady) would you regularly subject yourself to such...if the abortion was to be conducted regularly on you will you still go on with this plan?

are you also aware that before an abortion..you need counselling because of the emotional implications? have you thought about the effect of the emotional implication of the abortions on your relationship?

IVF cost abt 10-15K usd. if you go down this route do you ve the money stashed up already and can you afford this for the number of kids you want.

Unless you re an otedola with the Money..this sounds like a no brainer to me man.

Adopting seems to be an option..can you deal with that?

love is beautiful....dont mess it up..if you really love that girl and you love yourself ..you will take a walk...you dont always get the things you love...sometimes you ve to let go.


In all...I wish you the very best going forward!


I m starting to think that those pushing the IVF and sampling technicques re people who ve made such mistakes but dont wanna own up to it or medical professionals who stand to benefit from it....smh!


@Dopeangel....Talk to your bro once again and if he insists so be it..you cant do much and dont involve outsiders just close friends and immmedialte family.

btw you keep hammering on the effect it will have on your family..if after the warning, your bro decides to continue cos he wants to solve a temporal problem with a permanent one...then it should be his problem and not that of your family..it sounds harsh but yes you ve your own life and the mistakes of others in this case one that can be avoided should not have negative effect on your fams happiness...If he is man enough to neglect the science and pull a movie script on you guys then be man enough to also allow him face the consequences of his actions..you cant eat your cake and have it.

you ve done well as a brother..maybe a bit too pushy cos you want the best for him.

Starlincoln:
Pls can somebody that is ready to carry out this project below explain to me how many blocks and much will it cost to build twins 3 bedroom flat. No delay pls

No delay..seriously Oga pass it to a quantity surveyor to avoid delays...when asking for free stuff a little level of politeness is needed.

i did a similar project and it took ca. 6000 pieces of 6 inches hollow block....2 units of 3 bedroom (all rooms ensuite and a guest restroom).

maybe less as some part of my foundation was about 7 to 8 coaches cos I had naively bought a sloply land which means alot of block was used for the sloply part.

All the best.

C.

amozo:
If you want to build a house what ate the steps

I m not an expert but let me try to be of help before they show up

1.Assuming you ve a land already..I think the first step will be to survey it and register the coordinates and settle the paper works associated with it.

2. you can then pass the coordinates to architect for him to design that dream house of yours...while at this I will encourage you to start reading threads about building a house..pick a house similar to yours. that way you get to learn about the stages and materials involved in each stage.

3. get the bill of quantities from your quantity surveyor..... you can sum up 2 and 3 together and get the service at once.

4. take your plan to the local authorities and get a building approval ..hopefully you re not from any of those states demanding huge chunk of money to get the approval.

5. from here on ..it depends on if you want to completely hand the job over to an engineer/contractor or if you wanna go the DIY route. if you hand over the job the firm simply employs the workers and build the house and if you go DIY....you will have to act as the project manager source for materials and employ workers, even at that I will recommend you have an engineer supervise or pay the site a visit on key days..eg setting out..foundation ...german floor ..formation etc.

this up here is just a suggestion.

All the best

C.

Dominionng:


Cc Muyesky

Rate of POP ceiling depends on volume and type of material to be used(Precast or Plasterboard)

3,500 - 5,000/sqm

Thanks.

C.

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so na carcass you wan hand over to the person...is your post not misleading then?