₦airaland Forum

@Niger-d

Some people are born again on the other side of the fence. Whatever the case may be after all the vitriol,
we must sit down and discuss. We might as well start by listening to each other and supporting one another
to overcome our shortcomings. Take it or leave it, we have nowhere else to go. We have reached the wall.
I see all these comments on all sides of the divide as an opportunity to let off steam and it is good for the
psyche. For now everyone should feel free to take sides. It is a season of anomie. And it will pass. We should
not inflame passions unnecessarily and drive people into their kraals.

Meanwhile the problem in Jos is very complex as it is a clash of religion and peoples and it is not easy to draw a
line between what is religious and what is cultural as the antagonists are always playing both cards at the same time
to defend their positions. A dispassionate appraisal of the crisis may be very difficult but it must be done. Whether a
political, economic or solution ior an interplay of all of them is required must be explored by everyone. It will be foolhardy
to expect the solution to come from the state or federal government as it is now evident that they have failed. They cannot
get the warring parties to even meet at table and they have also been accused of either taking sides or not rising to the occasion.
The evidence is illustrated by the inconclusive nature of previous investigation and lack of prosecution of suspected culprits.

Honestly, I do not know the way out but could there be a solution by civil society groups on both sides of the divide?

@ Ajali,

I note your post but some guys don pass dis level. They are in the  ;no hear no see zone, beyond recall
and some people already do not believe in God  and this explains their mindset.

UND DAS KANN ICH NICHT VERSTEHN

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shove off, you are in a no parking zone
Day dreamer

' :-x

@ post

You can never win, the dog will always go back to its vomit.

The seemingly meek ones will disappoint you.

Good effort though.

ALl hail our presido of cloud cuckooland .

@Post,

Go back to your village meeting, you will get a better picture. All these keyboard bangers cannot introduce
the topic in their village square. All this bravado is from behind the laptop.Honest and serios Nigerians are
everyday trying to make a living. They have no time to listen to all these guys.

Where are our educated people?
Where are our wise people?
Where is our collective wisdom?

Where are our Pharisees?

HMnnn imagine adults with wives at home mast, bating. Better go home to ya women.
This is all sheer fantasy. Na idleness dy cause all dis thing.

Aisha2 and others,

We that grew up in Plateau feel the pains and irrespective of our beliefs have tried to console each
other and that should be the spirit. Let us take solace in the obvious fact our childhood experiences
have shaped our worldview and today we do not behave like the bobo's.

The tin mines have over time incubated a national spirit and its bowels have swallowed even people from
as far flung as sierra Leone and Cameroun, not to talk of Ghanaians and Europeans. It is this melting pot
that is now being removed from the fire and it is unfortunate.My secondary school had students from all over
Nigeria and West Africa. In my time we were less than 100  as muslims.  My morning house work was in the chapel
and iI recall that we used to soak the communion in the sacristy and wack like garri because we go to class before
breakfast I had a credit in BK and got better grades than many christian students, interacted with everyone the
reverend was my father's consultant on everything regarding my education. This is what has shaped my worldview
and there is no weay I can forget that.
.

It is this ideal that is under threat today. sad, oh, how sad.

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Those who have ears let them hear.
I am glad e no commot from my mouth.

@chosen04
Make I follow? At least I go hold ya bag abi na backpack dem dey call am for yankee.

African salad(abacha),Eba and ofe owerri dey there ?

Hamburger and this raw vegetable and hamburger dey purge me.

I do not envisage this country breaking up but should that happen, those who
are now running their mouths will have their work cut out for them. It is to avoid this
that we need to talk but when the time comes, reason shall prevail.

@Aisha2

For many of us who were born/bred on the plateau, these are really trying times. I just find it
very difficult to understand how things came to this level. We attended the same schools, some
of us went to the same schools and never knew the difference. we only knew the difference at Xmas
and Ramadan periods and some of us never knew where our neighbours actually came from.

We learnt our sense of community in this place and have gone ahead to take the message to wherever
we are , here and in the diaspora. It is really heartbreaking. These are very sad times.

@richyblack and co

I am glad you are no more a moderator. I always had a sneaky feeling you had
a horn on your forehead and you have just shown your colours .  Can you please
mention one mosque you have visited where such sermons were given? Anyway , not to
digress, Edoyad has already given me a peep into his mindset. This is what
education and literacy is all about. Everyone is mouthing What Uncle Sam.

When you assume the moral high ground and arrogate to yourself all righteousness
with pompous postures that do not carry any weight, then you have a problem.
It is only irrational people that will avoid dialogue when all hostilities end up around a table
sooner or later. I have not been appointed by anybody to intercede on any matter whatsoever.
My aim was to just establish a platform of understanding on the issues at stake by understanding more
what can be done but since this has been rejected, I still thank Edoyad for his tenancity. It means a
lot to hold a view and defend it strongly too.

Finally, I sincerely hope he will not relent in his criticism as that is what makes everyone sit up. The only
regret I will have is not getting him to  suggest solutions. Maybe those solutions will go against his beliefs
or to the advantage of an adversary, but then what can I do?

Perhaps it will be necessary to inform Edoyad that those accused of terrorism today by the Americans- Saddam Hussein,
Bin Ladin, Gaddafi, and many others were once friends of CIA and the United States. By extension, I do not see Edoyad
negotiating with anyone because the figures just do not match and there is no platform for such an exercise.

These guys and their parents should find more convenient places to mast.urbate their
egos after stealing us blind. I am surprised the FRSC could even condone this. I expect
them to use this video footage to make arrests and prosecution for traffic offences.

ChosenO4

Why u wan leave me na?

@Mr. Edoyad,

You are not saying anything new and ignoring the crux of the matter. How do we wean you from this fixation
of yours. In communicating with you on this platform, I am trying to understand your mindset but you are just
harping on the same note. Agreed you have a grievance, so do we all, either with ourselves or the system but
do we throw all overboard? No. The first step is to recognise the intrinsic good in any human not just lump him
with everyone, the good the bad and the ugly. Secondly, understand what he stands for and how it differs
your world view. Thereafter you can devise the means of arriving at mutually acceptable rules of engagement .

I am really trying to reach out to you but your anger keeps getting in the way. I feel there must be a way in which
I can really feel your pulse and get you to see what i also feel, only on my part, I have no hard feelings against
your religion or people as a group. In the same vein I have no hard feelings on the views you hold personally.

I feel we have reached a certain position in this discourse where we cannot move forward. This explains comments above.
Can I reach you?

Thank You.

@Ikeyman00

Hi, man no see ya breaklight before xmas, you and josboy4life and so i had to be at west of mines alone
for d roasted tilapia. I tried to get you but you must have moved to the nrth pole.

Look. make you no try me this year Oh. I go break ya head. see this kaduna man don join you.

Mr Edoyad

Nobody can deny you your progress but for how long? There is something called manifest destiny and appears that you do
not recognise that each stage of success must have an association with ones immediate environment/circumstance.
In this context, individual advancement without an all-encompassing leap amounts to very little. You cannot be an island and
it is too late to choose your neighbours. Your efforts should be towards detente and bridge building to find lasting solutions to
these matters that you feel very bad about.

I see you are using a lot of sophistry to shroud the inherent inconsistencies that abound in your immediate environment but
the rosy picture you are painting is not in existence as your place is no nirvana and is of course no location in heaven. We all know that
environment. You can tell that to other Nairalanders, whose only trip to the north is through the screens of their laptops, ably
supported by doses of vitriol/ commentaries from rabid and prejudicial locals.

I am sure you will give me the credit of accepting that all is not well and that efforts must be made to correct the situation and that is being
done, only it will take time and resources. The same time it took to bring us to where we are today, despite our differences. Things have not
always been like this.

Taunt me anyhow you can but in the final analysis , the future is encapsulated in the womb of time and we know where the aces belong - on
the side of the peacemakers and your stance does not convey you as one.

Mr. Edoyad

Have you heard the story of the pot and the handle? All of them are on the fire. i expect you
to be intelligent enough to decode it., unless your irrationality has made you blind.  Criticism
is good and acceptable in good faith but when you do not see good in any person, then
it becomes something else.

I will not stop you from enjoying your temporary glow of being  a hot head and hope with time
you will mellow down and  see more clearly. I refuse to see you and your people ( the cave earlier mentioned)
as inconsequential in the scheme of things and wish you well.  This exuberance will fade away. That is why i referred you
to your chiefs wearing turbans. It is and honest advise.

Your infinite progress is nothing when compared to the progress of your  immediate clan. You
are well advised to extend the living condition of your dog to your hometown.

Mr. Edoyad

Have you heard the story of the pot and the handle? All of them are on the fire. i expect you
to be intelligent enough to decode it., unless your irrationality has made you blind. Criticism
is good and acceptable in good faith but when you do not see good in any person, then
it becomes something else.

I will not stop you from enjoying your temporary glow of being a hot head and hope with time
you will mellow down and see more clearly. I refuse to see you and your people ( the cave earlier mentioned)
as inconsequential in the scheme of things and wish you well. This exuberance will fade away. That is why i referred you
to your chiefs wearing turbans. It is and honest advise.

Your infinite progress is nothing when compared to the progress of your immediate clan. You
are well advised to extend the living condition of your dog to your hometown.

Your education and enlightenment has not been able to temper base instincts and it

@chosen04

Happy new year, and what were you doing? looking ANYANYA?
I align with Omafone in this matter.

NO, let them remain there. You know lizards crawl into the tiniest crevices to keep warm and sometimes get
stuck and are unable to come out. I have no pity for any Nigerian who goes into any country illegally, when the consequences are obvious.

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he was in the closet,

For all I care, no visa should be issued to any government official for any reason whatsoever.
afterall, in these days of emails and video conferencing, there is no difference between meeting
venues in Vienna or Beijing. They are just frittering away valuable time and money.

More annoying is this Bornu trip. I have not seen any evidence of government intervention in irrigation
in that state. All efforts are either by individuals or the federal government.

Why not, start with the one in your street.

@Ever frank

Happily enough, no one has the final decision over life and death and no man is an island. If some guys
have their way, they will be the only persons alive. The construction of man is very complex. This thread
is showing manifestly the difference between enlightenment and education.

No be only for mouth diarrhea dey, e dey for mouth.

Mr. Edoyad,


Facts are sacred and there is no point belabouring the issue of low education in the north. In the same vein,
as i have always believed, the fault is entirely that of our elite in all domains. While efforts are being made, I
am not satisfied with the speed and depth/spread. Ditto for other social aspects of northern society which ,whether
we like it or not ,must be reformed and you must admit that these fundamental changes take time and it is also a fact
that our society is not what it was 20 years ago.I want to suppose that your post is aimed at correction. Please continue
with your crusade as it will make our leaders sit up and do the right thing.

Having said that, we all know the cave from whence we came and when the chips are down, we will realise that the distance
from there to where we are to day is not that far. The foundation of where we are today was laid by institutions and persons,
whose level of enlightenment is a far cry from ours and that is progress. You know what I mean? If you do not know, go home
and ask your chefs who are wearing turbans.

Please say hello to your dog.

This is very sad. I reserve comments till there is more information about the exact cause
of this mayhem. Meanwhile, I will encourage everyone to vent his spleen on one side. It
is good for the psyche. It only goes to show how irrational we all are- jumping into conclusions
without facts.

To be frank, this is the result of excessive greed. These Nigerians are never contented. The desire
to keep up with the Jones's. Their greed knows no bounds . Self esteem is thrown overboard.

The moment you enter a country illegally, you are already aware of your status- a felon.
When you remain there and decide to do illegal things, na double wahala. Let no one be
deceived, laws are made to be obeyed and the intended beneficiary of this exercise is the
legitimate inhabitants and citizens of that country and not you the illegal alien.