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Oasis007:
Liverpool is pummeling Bournemouth on their Turf with undiluted attacking Football!

Jez saying, ain't comparing, wailing or gnashing Teeth!

You should be arrested for this comment!

I have not seen the game but from gist inside here belike say na normal normal. score a goal more and then trigger the Mourinho masterclass defensive mode.

I just thank God say we win.

Be like say we don settle for 2nd this season. The 2nd wey we still no dey sure of. People are breathing down our ass, any slip and we go start to calculate with permutations.

eph12:
I just know that players should not be used as excuse for Mourinho o because na the same market all of them dey go buy players

Money too should not be used.

eph12:
January is almost here, who are the players we are looking at sef?

Maradona, Baggio and Batistuta.

dubylhover:
how many times on this board have peeps come out to always say that micki always ghosts during matches,so even when he was topping the assists charts,lana1 rightly pointed out that he was just a stat padder and wasn't really influencing games..so when he stopped "padding" his stats,he was of no use to the first team...abeggi no one should come out and say he was dropped because he refused to defend,cos that's just plain ignorance...his supposed attacking input was reduced that's y he's being dropped not because of any defensive responsibiltiy

Naa You missed my point!

Did I not acknowledge that mhiki has been serving is shyte? who does not know that on this board.

Am only saying that it seems if mhiki was serving us shyte up front but putting in a good defensive shift he probably would still be playing.

read eph12 reply again to what gift01 wrote.

That's what i was emphasizing.

dubylhover:
in all fairness,gas mou actually dropped Actually attacker this season because they didn't defend well? I don't think so..

and as for mou always defending against d top teams,I guess that's who he has always been,and why its more glaring in Manu is that he lacks d attackers and quality to kill games on the counter,so I guess he doesn't trust his players enough...honestly I also don't

you can see that the write up from gift01 has answered your question about mourinho being more particular about how a supposed attacker should be overtly concerned about defending.

its just ridiculous!

I know Mhiki himself has been serving us shyte but eph12 question is very apt.

dubylhover:
all this talk about being defensive,its mostly against the big sides and besides mou is known for giving his attackers freedom to roam about,so pogba flourishing well isn't just because of his freedom,id that same freedom is given to Herrera or fellaini,it wont make a difference.

I agree with your assertion about Herrera and Fellaini

I would rather more emphasis on attack be put on the likes of Martial and Rashford because I hate it when I here an attacking player was dropped or benched because he does not defend enough or failed to fall back to help the defense.

Why would Mourinho ALWAYS want to defend against top clubs. WTF is that all about.

He still doesn't really attack against the so called smaller clubs.

dubylhover:
bro the reason y its like that is because he's d only quality outfield player we have,we need more quality for this kind of things

Pogba seems to be given free role in the team.

But others must have some sort of defensive role, even our CF don turn defensive striker.

Pogba is a very good player and will express him self when given the chance even with a little showboating.

Those cows still need to get fatter. I Dont know why people are complaining. Bubu is incorruptible.

50billion is too small na.

elampiro:
If it were so common to make such mistahes, Vidic, Ferdinand, Terry, etc would have stamp opponents 100 times in their career. Or our previous strikers.

It was a bad clearance. He could have used his head by moving two steps forward while the ball was in flight. He could have used his stronger foot. Evra used one leg to clear throughout.

You are being very unfair and unrealistic in your criticisms of Lukaku.

As a professional amateur footballer in Benin, you never made any mistakes abi?

Imagine suggesting that Lukaku should have used his head. SMH or done a shuffle to select the leg he would use to clear ball. Time will stand still for him to do that and while at it take a piss behind the goal post before coming back to clear the ball with his ass.

double post

Oasis007:
The Lineup seems OK for attacking Footie! I guess it's a 4 - 3 - 3 Formation; MMM in the Midfield - Matic and McTomminay playing behind Mata (10). Lingard as a RWF, Martial as a LWF and Lukaku as a ST.

Na until game start we go know whether na attacking lineup or not.
it can be a defensive attacking lineup.

Oasis007:

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elampiro:
Yes, Mata's miss was terrible. I told my friends that I felt Mata who has very good ball direction should have placed that ball beyond the keeper neatly. His miss was also very bad.

The first time, I didn’t think Lukaku's miss was very terrible. But watching it from youtube, I think a sharp striker like him with his stronger foot, should have placed that ball beyond the the keeper. But he stamped the keeper who was about the middle of the goal. From youtube, I agree with Shearer and Henry. Lukaku missed it badly. Shearer said that is the difference between good and very good strikers

I will look at the miss again. But I think you, shearer and Henry are being unfair to Lukaku concerning that chance.

Oasis007:


LVG is damn right after all about JM Style of Play! I was scared of United getting paired with Real Madrid in the UCL R-16 Draw, coz its no doubt JM gonna park "Double-Decker" Bus and a locomotive Train in the both Legs and hoping for an undeserved, accidental Victory.

The Dude needs to bounce before it's too late.

let's pray he does not park a nuclear submarine on a carrier against sevilla.

Oasis007:


Seem some United still believe in Mediocrity. This is United, not Arsenal or Brighton we are talking about ffs!

JM is killing the Team, he's not ready to change is idiotic philosophy! He's a Coward, and too stubborn to adjust.

This is Someone who so much believe in Ruggedness than Skills. It's so amusing some Fans are beginning to see Fellaini as a good Midfielder, the Afroman.... .?! LOL

JM should pack off to wherever he likes after his Contract expires at United. I was a big Fan of the Coward until the City Match. I've lost all my Confidence in him, coz tactically he's a big Fool!

I'm ain't subscribing my Decoder, nor paying at the Viewing Centers only to be dulled and bored with defensive Ish! I wanna get entertained, not celebrating "Oriyomi" Victories all the Time.

JM should fûck off, and a competent, attack-minded Manager should be sought to succeed him.

eph12:
I didn't want to talk since because everyone decided to follow the crowd. He shot at goal but the keeper produced a great save but it's Lukaku fault. I even thought he ballooned the ball to throw in.

I can never blame a player who shoots on goal and in this case tested the keeper, meaning it was on target.

even the one against CSKA he was under pressure and can be forgiven.

my grouse with Lukaku is that he can't hold the ball to bring other players into the game which is as a result of the defensive style Mourinho deploys, a style that will make our striker to start learn how to be a midfielder.

that's why mou is the problem.

eph12:
I watched the highlight and saw that Lukaku clearance was blocked by another united player. What should he have done instead?

The chance he missed was saved by the keeper. If it was De Gea that made that save you would have been hailing him instead of cussing the striker.

Ronaldo has passed over a thousand balls to the opponents. Kante even passed to ghost last weekend.

Thank you. why is no one blaming mata who also missed the rebound. he is supposed to have had a clearer picture of the situation.

CapitalCee:
Then he should be sacked if the club's ideology is not in tandem with his, Nobody is hailing his tactics. The genesis of the whole point is whether the team have improved from last season or not.
He said city have improved which is evident by their position NOW. Then i pointed out that it's same for united also based on their position NOW.
Don't make it sound as if anybody is trying to chastise anyone.

OK no problem.

But improvement again is relative. Like I pointed out before, if a team finishes 2nd on the log with 80points in a season and then finishes 2nd again in the next season. Has that team improved or not?

Points are usually compared with the same period of a previous season and this is in the hope that if after 16 games a team has 30points and now has 40points the next season after 16games. it can be seen as an improvement with the hope that if the momentum is sustained they could do better by the end of the season.

but again for if you improve your points haul from previous season an still end up not winning the then.... For a big club like united it means nothing oo.

CapitalCee:
Now you know season have not finished, but you have already delivered your judgement on the team even when the season have not finished.

Guy, calm down. I did not deliver any judgement.

I am only dissatisfied with the tactics our manager is deploying and have said severally that that approach most likely will not make us win the league.

The tactic/style is even making players look like pub players because they find themselves in situations and positions that they are not exactly familiar with.

Because of this defensive approach, a player that should be in the box where he would have better chance of scoring always finds himself at the half way line and compound issues he cant hold up play - Lukaku

Attack minded players are first given defensive duties before their primary strength of play which is to attack. Rashford & martial.


The players' main objective is to not lose instead of scoring and winning.

raumdeuter:
City is missing Jones, they are missing Mendy they are playing Delph who most people had forgotten was a footballer in LB, They even played Mangala in defence

What is Fellainis importance, you seem to be over playing his importance, I could remember some fans here ecstatic that he was going to be sent to Turkey

Fellaini would have scored 10 goals in the last 10 mins if he were fit to play.

CapitalCee:
City finished 3rd last season and are now 1st.
United finished 6th last season they are now 2nd. It will be unfair to suggest that city improved while United did not.

This season has not ended. it is rather clumsy comparing a full season with one that has not finished with their present positions on the log.

dubylhover:
its not about mincing words,d "change" is that mou needs to go and we wud automatically start playing attacking football and all or players would improve

I purposely replied like that, not exactly mentioning Mourinhos name.

either our style of play improves attack wise or mou gets out.

How come, all of a sudden we begin to attack when we go a goal down?



@ capitalcee You are asking if its a must we win the league this season?

Winning it next season is not our birthright, so you need to do all to win it every time.

You should have asked if it is a must we should aspire to win the league at all?

funlord:
Na wa for this kind house of pain sef? Na bournemouth go end these tears anyway!

Lets hope bournemouth dont increase the tears.

dubylhover:
so in other words mou should b sacked and an "attacking" coach should b signed

Something needs to change.

dubylhover:
that's just one ugly fact that most peeps don't want to face..Perez had been spending millions every transfer window for more than 7 years,with time they finally had d right balance with quality and also good depth,when the oil people took over city and started spending,d result wasn't that immediate,yes they bought some useless players along the way but they also bought world class players,now look at where city is with the right coach and real quality players they have started reaping d dividends...look at psg also its not now their spending started,but look at d team they have now,all these things take time..

d fact is that we don't have that quality any longer,it should b a dilemma that all d top 6 we faced without pogba we didn't win,but d ones pogba played,we won..it goes to show that even if the team doesn't play well on a particular day,you'd still need individual brilliance..

we are getting left behind

we all know that at some point even SAF played a defensive game against the likes of barca because that barca team was something else.

But we knew how we dominated or played other teams that we were expected to dominate.

From the time we the fake fans complained about Mourinhos approach to games it was clear that even teams that we were expected to dominate, we did not and that's the reason we are 11points behind.

when we won games with this approach, even against average teams, we were asked why we were complaining because we got the 3points. it simply meant that when we played badly and got the 3points then we should not criticize any aspect of the team or coach.

The complaining was because we had seen that this approach/model/style or tactics was not sustainable and would not get us anywhere.

My point is if we had approached other games with a positive tactics we would probably be 3 or 4points behind city which is nothing.

unless something cataclysmic happens to city,there is a better chance of the chasing pack catching up with us than us catching city if we continue with this nonsense style.

Oasis007:

Ma Nigga don codedly vex! Acuna matata! Lol!

The bottle wey dem take break for Arterta head, na Mourinho head e for land.

Oasis007:
“I told you when it was eight points or something like that, we go match after match, one match at a time, try to win the match, try to get maximum points.

"We have the number of points we have, last season we had seven or eight less in this moment. Last season, we drew at home to Bournemouth, now let’s try to do better than we did last season.”

- JOSE MOURINHO

E be like say this guy is delusional. if he feels there is an improvement in the team because we have more/better points now than we did last season and that means he is doing ok while trailing city with 11points, then I give up.

well let's wait till the end of he season and then the real picture will be clear.

its like a team who finished 2nd with 80 points in a season blowing its trumpet because they now finished with 90points and came 3rd in the next season

As long as a team is ahead of you all these nonsense talk is just nonsense. This guy wan turn us Assanal wey dey qualifying for champions league is only thing they look forward to.

Tufia!

dubylhover:
I get your point,once things go awry everybody needs a scapegoat,but honestly we tend to overestimate d quality of this out squad,I still maintain that Chelsea spurs and city have better players than us,that's just a simple fact..a monitor lizard cannot b a crocodile because you want it to...I mean common look at d players in our team na..

firstly it was micki that was blamed,now its mou and lukaku..its just tiring,I just hope we start buying the right players

Yes we might still need 1 or 2 players (Dybala, Griezman, or even Perisic) but I insist that these players are good enough for square up with this city team and challenge for the title with an attack minded coach and not this nonsense Mourinho is serving us. Its not a matter of scapegoat, Mourinho is the problem.

Is it not Lingard and even Fellaini that most of all agree is not a united player quality but have kinda been quite effective lately. Those are lizards that are behaving like crocs in their own way and we appreciate their efforts.

Do you know that if city had not scored we would not come out to attack and when the game ends in a scoreless draw Mourinho would have been happier than Pep, regardless of their 8points lead at the time.

dubylhover:
honestly,there are parts of this I agree with..where he said on obviously you need quality in your squad,that's a major point I have always hammered on,despite our spendings,our players are still bang average its very obvious that city has a more balanced squad with better players...I saw one comment here that if it was pep managing Herrera Nd Mata,that they would b spraying passes anyhow,I just shook my head..d pogba that is spraying d passes anyhow and imposing himself as our most important player is he not playing under mourinho?? that's where quality comes into play,but I still maintain that no matter how good your tactics is,its only as effective as d players used in d system..

but lvg also has a point about mourinho being defensive which is also bad for a brand like united,but the thing I noticed about lvg nd mous tenure is that lvg used possession of d ball to camourflage d weakness of the team nd mou goes defensive when playing against fellow big teams..

the thing is that united must splash the money Nd spend it right..how can we get to the level of Madrid bayern when pogba is the only truly outfield world class player we have,other teams boast like 3 and above in their ranks..mourinho has to take a bunch of d fault for his tactics employed but we should also look deeper into our squad and ask are they really good enough?

I Dont totally agree with your summation. LVG should shut up jor. wetin him dey yarn about playing attacking football. we were bored to death with his style play. Yes we have been spoilt with the SAF style but he also served us frustrating football.

Mourinho is an idiotic coward. His defensive tactics is what is making the player serve us shit. if we were playing attacking football I bet you we would have won most if not all the matches we drew or lost this season and probably be on the same points with city before our match. Then if city had won they would have been just 3points above us which will not be a bad thing.

I remember when we complained about Mourinhos defensive tactics and the excuse on this board was that we were just 2points off city and that we were 2nd on the log. we are still 2nd now but we all know what the diff is now.

The Lukaku we are berating for his useless link up play would have been forgiven if once in a while he messes up link up play but is busy scoring goals while in the box because we PLAY ATTACKING FOOTBALL, but because Mourinho thinks he can win a game by being defensive an attacker who is expected to be in the opposition box is busy defending and burdened with link up play here and there, something that is not exactly one of his strong attributes. That's why we are where we are today.

I bet you if you give these same players to an attack minded coach like poch or someone else you will be surprised what these players will do to opponents.

Yes the players have their faults but Mourinho is the biggest coward that ever liveth.

imagine fa, in OT the idiot is scared of attacking!

eph12:
Even if Rash and Tony had been played in the right wings we would still have a bad game. The team can't keep the ball for minutes that is very bad. We were hoping for City to have a bad day scoring like Arsenal while we take our one chance but it does not work that way always. You get lucky you win some while some u get what you deserve

we cannot be hoping for our opponents to have a bad game before we defeat them.

its hard for me to say this but do you think city expects any team to have a bad day so that they (city) can win. They come into the game and make you have a bad game by pressing and doing everything to make their opponents have a bad game and not hoping on hope.

dopeJemi:
There was a moment in the match that made me confirm finally that Lukaku is daft not just as a player but also as a person, he had the ball on the right side of the pitch, just after the middle of the pitch.. a player was free to his left making a run to the box, and another was a bit crowded on the right close to the line, what did the Daft Punk do? looked left, decided no, looked right, said hold on, tried to dribble his way past two city players, when he became crowded, he then decided to give the ball to the player on the right and lost possession


it was at this moment, I realized we bought a complete Id.iot

when we were complaining about his link up play we were shouted down.

somehow Lukaku can't even run with the ball again, always fumbling with the ball between his legs while running like someone that already wants to fall even without anyone close to him.


Mourinho is the real idiot here, trying to win games by not conceding only to start attacking when we are scored and if he manages to equalized will go back to default mode of defending.

Yesterdays game, especially the first half was a monumental disgrace and to think we were at OT just makes it irritating.

If city had any kind of fear or respect for us before the game they quickly gained confidence because of the cowardly approach Mourinho adopted.

Playing Rashford and Martial in the wrong wings is just stupid to say the least.