₦airaland Forum

perambulator:
What the ef is wrong with you, I told you from the beginning that Ibos are migrant by nature you argued, then now at the end of countless back and forth, now you tell me Ibos are migrant by nature. is that not the origin of this discussion, that Ibos by their nature need other lands to survive? Guy I am beginning to conclude that even the common verson of this thing called sense is lacking at your end and that you are just arguing emotionally as is the typical ibo way.

you said they can't do it in their region.. you never said they are migrant in nature...

the point is Igbos don't need other lands to survive.. they go to other lands because they see opportunities and those opportunities are not protected by the governments of those places ..

perambulator:
common sense is the sense of a common ma. The kind of man you tell that sources for financing coal are limited and he is still telling you its not impossible and pinning his hopes on something with a low probability. I didn't say it was impossible but you would have thought that real sense would have dictated to a man who claims to have sense that he cant bank on these projects as he may not be able to get the finance to execute them, to execute enough of them at scale or to execute them at a profitable rate. Just saying!!!

Possible and likely are 2 different things

your sense of reasoning is limited...

you keep saying "he may not be able to get the finance to execute them, to execute enough of them at scale or to execute them at a profitable rate."

Loans don't have to be taken to finance such if the capital is coming from the country that wants the power plants built..

stop limited your mind.

perambulator:
Go to Lagos, Abuja, KAno, Kaduna, Sokoto, Ibadan, Ife, Akure, abeokuta, PH, Jos, Ilorin, oyo, Calabar, Katsina, Benin, Ghana, Senegal, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, you will find ibos in huge numbers. Although for the purp[ose of this discussion i am talking about the ibos in Nigeria, no other tribe, migrates or is present outside their zone like the Ibos.

The importance of this is that people usually leave their home to make a living, if they can do that at home they dont leave home thats why most other tribes in Nigeria largely reside in their zone.

Igbos are migrant in nature.. its not my fault that it took me to tell you that they are migrant in nature...

they are all over because like I said there is no policy to protect the economic interests of indigenes and the people in those places patronize them, if people don't patronize then they won't be able to sustain themselves in those places...

people can also make money both at home and outside their home together if they can afford and it and are ambitious enough to do it...

its not about "if they can do it at home they dont leave home"... this comment shows your lack of understanding the nature of Igbos...

Igbos have the behavior of controlling and been dominant in a place that is not indigenous to them just like the f:ulanis and e:uropeans whether legally or illegally..

perambulator:
clearly, you just like to argue. what it means is ultimately is a lot of fossil fuels will stay in the ground.

I don't like to argue... I like facts that are sensible to common sense of humans... if it doesn't make sense then its rubbish..

perambulator:
Nope, it started in 1954 and the incentive was to catch up with the south in anticipation of independence, that incentive no longer exists after total control was handed over to them by Ironsi and his merry band. Anything that happenned in the 70's and 80's was at the same pace as the rest of the country.

how can a region that always had budget deficit catch up to one that always had budget surplus are you reading what you're writing

like I said you're mis-informed..

perambulator:
I am not saying it is impossible I am telling you it is becoming extremely difficult. When was the last time you say any Multinational develop any new project in Nigeria? If anything they are divesting.

https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2021/04/new-coal-projects-have-gotten-super-expensive-to-finance/

expensive is different from "extremely difficult"..

perambulator:
google is your friend

thats because they are all outside the SE...which is my point

google is also your friend

they are not all outside the SE.. what sort of mis-information is this

Safyqueen:
Well it is either you are a teenager, one suffering from ethno-religio-tribal bigotry or just one who want to rewrite history by media propaganda.
During those era you mentioned the north was perfectly doing well even up till Sardauna, Alex Ekweme era. It was the north that even advocated for regional government and Alex Ekweme faulted him. That's what earned Ekweme that title 'nationalist' against Sardauna.
The regional structure we had before 1966 was abrogated by Aguiyi Ironsi, an Igbo man. He was the one through military that initiated this powerful centre government system called Abuja today.

Read history please so that you don't embarrass yourself in the public forum of this nature because some people may think your idiocy may be by inheritance.

north was never doing well, stop deceiving yourself. ...

use your common sense...

perambulator:
This is my industry, believe me you will struggle to find funds to develop new Oil feilds talk less of coal!!!

believe me, any one will take $$$ to develop anything talk less of coal..

perambulator:
oga stop this nonsense, the biggest period of development in the north was under Sardauna, that was the era they focused on education and establishing industries.

the biggest period of development in the north was from 1970 till date...

perambulator:
current poulation of yorubas is 36 million, ibos 31million, what difference does 2 million make? we are talking about today. Get over the war it happenned. You are the ones that went to war (against the advice of your own generals) and ended up in a worse position than you were before the war and are at it again.

Igbos are nowhere near 30million...

I am not igbo..

perambulator:
of what relevance to the discussion is the number of people that dies in the war. The bottom line is your land area is small for the ibo population.

Good luck finding a bank that finance coal exploration in 2021, even China wont finance such.

number of people that die whether in war or not affects population size, the Igbo population took a huge blow during the war... the SE consists of at least 5 states and that's more than enough for them...

the SE is not a small land area, stop believing propaganda against the SE...

its not about coal exploration its about building coal power plants, if Nigeria offers $2bn do you think they will reject it

perambulator:
You need to differentiate between what is good for the elite and what is good for the people. The current system is good for the Northern elite but it is not good for their people. Their people made more progress under Sardauna, when they werent dependent on Oil.

Another thing about gas and Oil reserves. Most of it will eventually stay in the ground. Because of the green push in the west and their ESG crap, It is increasingly difficult to find any financial institution that will finance new Coal/Oil/gas developments these days.

you modified your post...

northern Nigerians never made progress under sar:dauna revenue from oil started after the sar:dauna was dead.. northern Nigeria has always been subsidized by southern Nigeria's revenue.

it is not difficult to find financial institution that will finance new Coal/Oil/gas developments because most of U.S and Canada energy comes from Coal/Oil/gas developments power plants especially coal..

perambulator:
I am aware of this I never said SE do not have resources did I? I said most Ibo people make their living outside of the SE because the SE is not big enough for them. The entire SE is smaller than Oyo state and there are probably more Ibos than yorubas! Let me explain something to you about the Oil and gas industry...it does not employ a lot of people!!! Most Ibos are business men and businesses need markets. The SE market is not big enough to sustain the Ibo business man. and in a secession, they wont have the same access they enjoy today.

you're contradicting yourself... and its Igbos not Ibos.

they also have the largest coal deposits in Africa.

you said "The entire SE is smaller than Oyo state" then who are the indigenes of Oyo state... the entire SE is bigger than Akwa-ibom and Cross-River ( efik, ibibio , annang, oron e.t.c )

revenue from Oil and gas industry will be used to fund other industries that employ millions of igbos...

most Ibos are not business men, a lot of them are retail traders and university graduates and the SE is more than big enough to sustain them...

there are more Yorubas than Igbos... hundreds of thousands of Yorubas did not die in a war, hundreds of thousands of Yorubas did not have their bank accounts wiped which will lead to decrease in standard of living which leads to poverty e.t.c...

normally, they are never meant to have same access they enjoy today if the states outside the SE protects the economic interests of its indigenes.

dan:gote makes his living outside northern Nigeria does that mean northern Nigeria is not big enough for him

Safyqueen:
What you said is right if everything including security is not politicised.
What kind of restructuring are the south talking about and what kind the north can accept. This is where the problem is.

Nigeria depends on oil which is located in the south though oil are found in Bauchi state recently but not explored for now. Other states has one vital mineral or the other not yet explored to yield them revenues. The only one explored and giving the entire country much revenue for now is the southern oil. How can you just wake up one day and say you want to claim it all? Do you think if Federal government can finish Ajaokuta steel for Kogi State, the state will ever care about Niger Delta oil for survival? But can the state finishes the project? No.
This is where the problem is and more.

stop saying what you don't know...

Like I told another NL user - "before 1914 amalgamation southern nigeria was rich by just selling resources because the revenue from the sale of the resources could cater for its population and there was still millions in net profit ( budget surplus ) and that net profit money that should have been used to further the infrastructural development of southern Nigeria, due to amalgamation in 1914, was used to balance the budget deficit of northern Nigeria because northern Nigeria was always running at net loss ( budget deficit )...

If there is oil in northern Nigeria it will be explored.

the bri:tish could not make northern Nigeria profitable, is it un-educated and ter:rorists loving northern nigerians that will now make it profitable.

the weed you're smoking is very strong.

perambulator:
The SE are the ones who need Nigeria the most. Most of you make your living outside the SE because the SE is not big enough for you. So when you talk of parasites and hosts, I suggest you think again

you're mis-informed...

the reason a lot of igbos make their living outside the SE is because the states outside the SE do not have a policy to protect the economic interest of the indigenes in those states and another reason is because the SE is in Nigeria and according to the constitution of Nigeria any Nigerian can live and do business anywhere..

the reason I said you're mis-informed is that the SE has the largest gas reserves in Africa, they also have arable land, they also have one of the largest oil reserves in Africa, they have a large population of university educated people e.t.c.

they are the ones that do not need Nigeria at all..

anorexicmuster:
And I did mention that the problem I have with your comment...sorry i was not clear...is that you think we can be rich because we have resources.

For me, the fact that we have oil, mineral, and other resources is meaningless. What i am interested in is what we do with those resources...especially using them to make products. That is why Dangote is rich...he woke up from being a mass importer, and went into manufacturing.

Most Nigerians on the other hand think we can live by selling resources and sharing the revenues...which is why we have this North South fight over who controls what. Meanwhile, neither North nor South is talking of ways we can encourage use of the resources to make industrial products.

That's the problem I have with your comment...and with both the government and the opposition.

(p.s most of the people working for Dangote are Southerners. Also in an ideal situation, only Kogi and BENUE WOULD benefit from revenues from cement...not the whole 'South')

southern nigeria was rich by just selling resources because the revenue from the sale of the resources could cater for its population and there was still millions in net profit and that net profit money that should have been used to further the infrastructural development of southern Nigeria, due to amalgamation in 1914, was used to balance the accounts of northern Nigeria because northern Nigeria was always running at net loss...

Nigeria can never be rich due to its population not only because of the lack of manufacturing..


the whole south is not benefiting. da:ngote pays tax to kogi, benue and ogun.. da:ngote is rich because a large population of Nigerians buy his cements not because his into manufacturing..

anorexicmuster:
Well, Kogi and Benue are in Northern Nigeria...(yes, middle belt, but still) and not all Southern states have oil.

Also, BUA cement has facilites in Sokoto and Bauchi...which are in Northern Nigeria...and a rig in the South in Imo.

Plus, the problem with your comment is the idea you have that Nigeria can be rich, or the South can be rich because oil. No. Nigeria can be rich if we use the resources we have to make things people need.

Which ironically is what Dangote is doing. Most Southerners and Northerners prefer to sell imported stuff.....

according to constitution kogi and benue are northern Nigeria, according to the Nigerian map and real life it is southern Nigeria.. we're talking about da:ngote not bua. bua only has cement factories in sokoto and edo none in bauchi...

without oil in the early 1900s, southern Nigeria was much richer than northern Nigeria..

I didn't mention anything about oil in my comment... I said resources...

anorexicmuster:
Dangote also owns a lot of cement factories, most of which are located in the North, and which get their raw materials from the North too(many of his cement factories are located near the raw material for cement).

Also, a lot of Southerners own oil blocs, and oil rigs even.

Da:ngote has only 3 cement factories ( one in kogi, second in ogun, third in benue ) none of which are in northern Nigeria.. Da:ngote gets his raw materials from ogun, kogi and benue...

I did not quote you but you're also mis-informed.

chaloskyx:
am i2 they did not plunder the south resources you willingly signed up to a constitution that gave them the power to dictate and control your political power and resources then you come online and say they plundered the south resources do you know what plunder even means? it means steal goods from (a place or person), typically using force and in a time of war or civil disorder. did they steal from you using force no your southern leaders all sat down and drafted the 1999 constitution handing over power to the FG government controlled by the north due to their population size and you come here saying the plundered the souths resources no bro you guys handed it over to them willingly so am suprised a 12 year old has intellectual capacity than a boy pretending to be a grown up
"

you're definitely below 12 so its pointless to respond to you...

chaloskyx:
WOW WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SCHOOL FIT FOR ITS NORTHERN PEOPLE WHILE DANGOTE DANTATAS WHO HAVE PLUNDERED THE NORTHS RESOURCES SENDS THEIR KIDS ON PRIVATE JETS TO HAVARD AND CO CONGRATS TO YOU PRAY TO ALLAH TO BUILD YOUR SCHOOLS SINCE YOU REFUSE TO HOLD YOUR POLITICAL LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE

you're mis-informed..

they don't plunder the norths resources, they plunder the south's resources..

D:angote makes his money from southern Nigeria, da:ntata has oil blocks in the south... so how are they plundering north's resources

how old are you

Maxymilliano:
Am I the only one wondering why prisoners with access to guns and grenades decided to hold a gang war rather than break out of jail or is it just plain foolishness

even if they do what you suggest the only places most of them will know are their local governments and their faces will be all over the media and international security agencies will also have their data in case they try to fly out of the country.

then If they are caught the police will add 15 to 30 years to their original sentence and if they had killed prison officials as they were breaking out then most of them will get death penalty.

in summary, they don't want their sentences extended or get the death penalty.

humility33:
Mr. Man they're not foreigners
They're Nigerians just like you and I

How will you feel if someone regard your kids that are probably been breed in the USA like that?

You ought to be smarter than this, the US you reside and made your money practise inclusive citizenship where you have many dual nations some became US citizens by birth and still this persons have same right as those who fathers and fore fathers where Americans

They are of Nigerian descent or preferably their African ethnic descent...

they're not Nigerians, as long as they didn't grow up in a Nigerian community abroad, they'll be treated differently by the indigenes of the countries they grow up in...

that's why a newly invited Super Falcon Ifeoma onumonu said she felt a disconnect between her and the Nigerian born Super Falcon players..

TheGoodJoe:

Nigeria is not like other nations. Things don't work they way it operates in other places. Other nations have government supporting local businesses. Providing welfare for growth. Giving tax reliefs to growing companies etc.

That is not how it is here. Things are bad in this side. Remember Siasia feeding the Olympics team from his pocket until his credit card got stolen. Then Mikel, Ekong, and co. came in to help.

I remember Peterside Idah getting to the Nigerian camp in South Africa for CHAN when Oliseh was coach. He said the first thing he had to do was to contribute money for feeding because the boys were abandoned. Oliseh spend thousands of dollars feeding the team.

Due to this challenges, and keep in mind the central control of National resources in this country, we always have a system of using the national sources to help our football.

So serious national input should be made for scouting and exposure until we get things right.

From what you've written you already know that Nigeria can't get things on a national level so state governments, private individuals, private academies, private companies, local governments e.t.c are the ones that can help Nigerian sports.

humility33:

IDENNA come meet your like mind

Most Nigerians like you and many other people on this thread don't know the difference between preferential treatment and bias.

TheGoodJoe:
Whatever that is happening behind the scene can go on but on the National level, there should be some sort of commitment. We need a sound program, support systems for grooming and exposing young players. It is in such state that external sponsors can key in.

Unfortunately, it is just eat, eat, eat going on.

All over the world players and athletes are groomed in local or private academies nothing is mostly done at the national level except for the creation of annual youth leagues and competitions.

kingphilip:
More gifted I understand, that may be your preference but are they better in the position?

I think merit for each position should supercede whatever bias one may have.

The issues people are having with Rhor is because of his bias towards his players (if he is the actual person picking them) and you too it is okay to have your bias but where merit isn't considered even in bias, one tends to fail.

They are both midfielders so both of them have "merit" for the position which also means the Nigerian born players must be given "preferential treatment" over foreign born Nigerians.

It's the same way you'll give your own children preferential treatment over your brothers or sisters children.

TheGoodJoe:
On another note, I believe despite the growth of our players in Europe, I feel we are missing a gold mine because the current people running our football are lazy. They are just in the business to harness what they want.

I will give you an instance.

When Christian Chukwu was appointed coach of the Super Eagles, at a certain period he was on break, he carried out a screening camp for players in feeders of our local clubs.

He went about watching matches of feeder teams and collecting phone numbers of players he saw with potentials.

Then after drafted a list of players from them and invited them to a camp in Ogun State, at Otta to be exact.

One of the players from Sharks FC feeders then made the cut. He said the first thing Coach Christian Chukwu taught them was endurance.

He said he brought axes, machetes, shovels, rakes and other farm tools. Measured a large piece of land in something that looked like a forest and told them to carry out a bush clearing work. (It is football they came to play)

He said they worked all day for days, clearing bush, raking, with not much food to eat. He said after about a week plus, they were done. Well raked pitches, wide and fresh.

He said, they rested, and keep in mind, feeding was not easy. They were supporting themselves and the coach was doing his best too.

Then he gave them a thorough lesson in total-football. He said for days, they did more of theory than field work. They only did intense jogging every morning and then lessons.

By the time they were ready for the field, he says it was nothing like he had ever seen. He said, he learnt things he did not know about football like breaking defences with triangular passes, etc. He said you will pass ball until it became second nature of you. Pass and move.

He said, unfortunately, Christian Chukwu got sacked during their program and he believed if the coach had finished with them, they would have done wonders. The coach wanted to use them for one of the friendly games.

What I am pointing out is that, there is so much work to do in Nigerian football, but this current set have showed extreme laziness. No grassroot work, no grooming of future players. We just wait for players to break through in clubs or some foreign player to do well and pledge allegiance to us.

I hope we pick up from where we are and shoot for our potentials.

TheGoodJoe:

Wow. That would be interesting. A national camp sounds good. The thing is that, I don't think most of the guys running football are interested.

Camps don't have to be "national" and the guys running football don't have to be interested before private individuals or companies organize such camps and academies.

It's because of private academies in Nigeria that you seem not to know about that players like osimhen sadiq onyeka onuachu amoo ndidi iheanacho awoniyi Dennis uzoho e.t.c.. have been trained and groomed in Nigeria.

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U1:
If it's still so hard to fully comprehend what I wrote there, I'll simply sign off on this matter by referring you or anyone that cares to synonyms for "just." Do you find anything like "only" there? If yes, fit it into that comment and see if makes better sense.

Shalom

PS: May I add that it's rude to regard other people's opinions as nonsense and tell them so. You could do better, if you want.

Its not rude to regard other people's opinions as nonsense if that opinion ends up putting them into an endless cycle of mediocrity because they won't know they are in mediocrity and people like you will continue to give them opinions on grace and hope instead of telling them the truth in a direct way and manner you'll tell them to look for synonyms like "just" in a bid to save your face..

learn to be straight and direct with people and stop adding grace, hope e.t.c. ...

therealMcCain:
My opinion is that we should find out what works for us and stick to it. Some persons believe in quantity and they are making a killing while some others believe in quality and they are equally making a killing.

Both route requires work, effort and patience.

Some others are still dabbling and struggling & havent found the one that works for them. Truth be told most of us here cant compete with Auctions and back order due to cash restraint (dollar palava) so we are left with the option of hand reg and ED.

The man who has 2-3 letter domain name or killer 4letter/2worded domain name might not want to agree with the concept of Grace.

Same with the man who has money to go for such names via auction.

Truth be told, where our strength fails us, we fall to what we believe in, hence Grace.

Most of the people on SH that have quantity also have quality in the quantity that they have.

I have only seen 1 person who has only 1 sale and 1 SH approved name out of over 600 names in his SH White Label marketplace..

So it has nothing to do with grace.

Depending on grace means promoting mediocrity and registering low quality domain names that won't sell but due to people like you who promote grace mentality people hope for sales of the low quality names they own..

Most who listens to your kind end up been disappointed because they will keep wondering why their names are not selling.

U1:
I'd assume you were the one that wrote the bold part above. If I'm right, how do you take a part as the summary of the whole? And did I any way suggest portfolio and quality count for nothing?

You may want to re-read the original post again. If you can't come to a different conclusion, good for you.

I don't think it's compulsory to react to any comments that are not direct specifically at you by the way. I once again choose my peace.

NL is a public forum and every comment is directed at everyone who has access to the topic and can click on the reply or quote buttons..

you said "It's not just about a larger portfolio or even the quality of it."..

so yes with the above comment you definitely suggested portfolio size and quality don't matter...

In domaining, quality matters more than size.

the first image below the person has over 140 domain names and has sold only 4 domains worth over $294,000..

the second image below the person has only 2 domain names and has sold only 1 domain name worth over $105,000..

the third image is mine and I have over 120 domain names and sold only 2 domains worth over $3,000..

it has nothing to do with grace... In domaining quality is very important.

Quietmover, what people read or hear on the surface is what they understand If a person has "to Understand his context, the exaggeration used, figures of speech used" in everything someone says then that person is saying nonsense and shouldn't be encouraged to keep saying nonsense...