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Every famous entertainer hammering in lockdown because their own productivity is inversely proportional to that of their fans.

To me, Osinbajo is just another half bread that's better than none. His fake speeches shows he isnt connected to reality of Nigerians need. He is always praising the shortsighted policies of this adnin. Policies like feeding, trademoni, and those phantom foreign investments.

The bandits have learnt the art of propaganda and image laundering from their ogas admin. Fast learners. Glamourizing family affair cheap points.

He is sounding like the middlemen where born after 2015. Or flood and insecurity are Nigerian tech startup.

We have been addressing poverty since 1960 and there hasn't been any improvement. Isn't madness defined as doing the same thing and expecting a different result?

kingxsamz:

All these one na lame excuses nobody is ready to read. Christians will say "where two or three are gathered, the lord is there" but na still their pastors dey vex say people no plenty for church, even though there are at least 3 churches in every street.

The aim of church expansion isnt for two or three to be gathered. All men are suppose to know God.

If chanced these people will turn the church into another Nigeria. They want to take their pay and be absent from duty. Why not go into business full-time instead of using the church some kind of insurance policy?

jesusjnr2020:
The Truth is that this exposes and also confirms the real motive behind the drive of the church to create branches. It has nothing to do with the expansion of God's Kingdom but that of men.

As much as we'd rather want to sugarcoat this and lie to ourselves, it's a glaring case of misplaced priorities.

The same church that is erecting structures that cost billions upon billions, yet it can't find money to pay those they employed to pastor their church branches, which are yet able to run itself.
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If the same person in question now starts preaches the nonsense that people want to hear, and it leads to the rise in membership of the branch and consequently the finances of the church, they would retain him regardless and wouldn't have excuses not to collect the extra from the church. [/b]Now it's the flip side and they're trying to use grammer to confuse themselves not those who know the Truth.

This is the reason why many now are no longer preaching the Words of the Spirit but the words of the flesh, because that's what men want to hear.

They'd also sack Jesus because He would preach the Words of the Spirit regardless, even if it makes Him not to meet the church's so-called growth-index, but wisdom is justified of her children.

God bless.

Stop capping off your junk assumptions with "God Bless". Gods want all men saved. That calls for souls to be won. God also commanded tithes. Concluding that more money that would naturally come out of the perfect combination of more souls and tithes/seeds is the pastor's target is tantamount to rebelling against God through the pastor's obedience of God's commands.

Wanted to ask for pictures but remembered the that "thou shall not glamourize northern family affairs".
It keeps the propaganda mill grinding real smooth.

The Christian Association of Nigeria, CAN, has fecilitated with the Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs and the Muslim faithful as they mark this year Eid-el-Kabir celebrations

Rubbish council. How can there be a valid supreme council under a valid supreme god? These people are supernaturally blinded by hate and conquest.

The confusion about some top preachers and their ministries stems from a bad understanding of money and the money system.

Money is created by man to facilitate exchange of goods and services. Money is given value by products in their useful life.
The church of God is not one without material needs. To meet these needs money is needed to get what's needed. It is unwise for every worshipper to come to church with their products or services. Perishables and intangible goods will be a nightmare for the church to.manage before exchanging for needs. This leads us to the stage where the church accepts money to meet needs. Also, there are full-time ministers who depend on church income wholly and part-time ministers who do partially. Running a church or ministry is a tasking job with lots of material needs.

HedwigesMaduro:
Neither. You feed them with Spaghetti and pounded yam.

Nonsense.

This issue still. If sacked for low growth when the new branches were part of a church growth agenda, where is the fault in that?

What is happening to this exercise. Locust have been reported in two LGAs in Kano state.

kingxsamz:
Lol, there are at least 3-5 or more churches in every street, so what is the Oyedopo buiding 10 thousand churches for? I thought all of you are one. If it isn't about money, then why the competition? If he's building churches, isn't it to win members of other churches? So why the competition if it's not about money. You sheeps like to deceive yourselves sha.

Go to Zamfara and count churches. Or Jigawa.

richmond500:
church has no record of people who gave their lives to God, growth index here is money

what they use in LFC is average attendance. They take attendance.

richmond500:
exactly, pastor Isaac folaji

The pastor Isaac Folaji I know preaches the prophet's offering but will never shy away from telling dissenters to keep their seed(tithes inclusive). So I think you are twisting his words out of context.
Even the way Winners is structured doesn't give room for mentioning tithes and seeds and every sermon. Winners Chapel works with monthly prophetic themes and the focus changes from praise to godliness to faith to healing or health and many others I can't begin to list. Finance is jusbone of them and doesn't come so often. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

richmond500:
go to porthrcourt state church and hear the state pastor preach, he is always on give to church, give to pastors so u could receive supernatural blessing, I left the church because of the give to pastors and give to church bla bla.

what is his name? Isaac?

The vagueness of the FG statement only goes to cement what Kukah has been pointing out. One religion has been adopted as state religion above the other. Some persons constantly take over roads for prayer whereas others where massacred for same road blockade in Lekki and Kaduna. One religion now uses public money not available for key and pressing public infrastructure to sponsor their own religious festivities. Religious police on one religion can now arrest even those public police cannot arrest. The army is now religiously inclined and now respects the right of one religion to compromise the territorial integrity of the "country".
Some people burnt buses and were asked to trek. Others burnt schools and killed students and even teachers(corpsers) but haven't been asked to study on their own, instead they are about to get rewarded for it with a development commission.

The list of persecution is virtually endless.

nyiamfrank:
Mr. Reno, can you link the fruitfulness of a tree to human attributes?
Is the pastor not bearing children?

Church growth? Financially or in population?

When some people left Jesus as he was preaching, did he drag them back? He even turned to the disciples and asked why they remained with him!

Winners must not mention money in that letter. Be fair, man.

Analogy was used all through the Bible. When Jesus asked Peter to feed His sheep's, was Jesus a Fulani herdman?

HedwigesMaduro:
The function of the church is not to win souls. It is to preach the gospel, and feed the souls that God brings to the church. The winning of souls part is don't by God Himself.

Feed the won souls with bread or the word of God?

blamingthedevil:
Interpret "growth index" for us

Growth means growth. The church has been on a church growth mission for the past 6 years and everybody knows it is about souls. Even muslims know this simple fact.

Misterone:
they had nothing then. sushi! not even one primary school.

OK. Wallow in your ignorance safely.

drlucky17:
Pointless talk

painment!

VULCAN:
Assumptions are dangerous.

It's obvious you are very young that's why you believe that Redeemed was a mega church with millions of followers under Pa Akindayomi.

It wasn't.

It grew well under Adeboye but it wasn't till Pastor Tony Rapu and Pastor Tunde Bakare came on board and changed the structure that Redeemed exploded.

They had schools and the former GO family didn't inherit or control it. That's my point.

Danniedpastor:
The founder of RCCG died long before the church became a mega church. So, he might not be as wealthy as you think.

The church owned and ran schools before he slept.

Locust have been reported as being in two LGAs in Kano. God save us.

donlet:
Just wondering how much is required for one to have a good life in Nigeria.

Why most of our youths are migrating abroad is because of the unfair advantage of being paid more even doing odd jobs abroad.

So how much can one earn in Nigeria as a salary to be comfortable?

Also I know this might be location dependent.

As people living in lagos, porthacourt and Abuja might have more living expenses.

Also what are other ways to earn if the salaries of available jobs are not enough?

Let's share ideas

Must we go abroad to manage?

If I take N100k from Mr À fraudulently and use just N30k of it to help Mr B and Mrs C, have I done a good work?

Good works is part of it but righteousness, faith and godliness cannot be compromised to do seemingly good works.

nairavsdollars:
The fear of Marwa is the beginning of wisdom for drug pushers now

They will never put people like Marwa in agriculture. I wonder why.

Officialgarri:
This is no time to talk about the shortcomings or rather, incompetency of the Ministry of Labour.

I glanced through the recent version of Nigeria Labour law —Labour Act 2004, and I can agree it's a shallow draft that didn't know of its importance.

If I were to be bias, I would compare the Labour Act 2004 to the "Animal farm" laws that was tweaked to suit the farm leaders —Napoleon and the other pigs.

Without much ado, to avoid Under payment, I'm of the opinion that Employee's wages (instead being set by capitalist employers) — should be determined by the company's annual income and the Nigerian Labour body should follow up strictly on its compliance.
It is however left to the Employer's discretion to raise the wages higher than the set minimum wage.

Will you be willing to take a part of the end of year profit if it reads a negative value?