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yahwehpickin:
The Holy Spirit is not a tool, he is a teacher, councilor, revealer of truth, giver of gifts , so much more The Holy Spirit and Jesus are one with God the Father

Are the angels and elders in heaven not one with God the Father?

yahwehpickin:
It comes down to the transition of the bible KJV

Okay. So why was itself used for the holy spirit?
Even "it" can't be used for a kid not to talk of a whole God.

The spirit is not what you think it's.

yahwehpickin:
I remember the scripture. The Holy Spirit is not power from God.

Jesus said I will endue you with power after the Holy Spirit has come upon you.

He is a person
He has the characteristics of a person.
He acts like a person.
He is treated as a person.
He has the ministry of a person.
He is mentioned in connection with other persons.
He is the Third Person of the Trinity, and therefore, is personal.

Isa 63:10 KJV - 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

Read the book of revelation and you'll see that the holy spirit is nowhere to be found in heaven. Only Jehovah sits on the throne.

See you later.

Peace bro!

Why would itself be used for God in the first place?

yahwehpickin:
I remember the scripture. The Holy Spirit is not power from God.

Jesus said I will endue you with power after the Holy Spirit has come upon you.

He is a person
He has the characteristics of a person.
He acts like a person.
He is treated as a person.
He has the ministry of a person.
He is mentioned in connection with other persons.
He is the Third Person of the Trinity, and therefore, is personal.

Okay.

But still there's only one God the Father.

God uses his holy spirit to work miracles and all that. Jesus was able to perform miracles through the holy spirit.

So the third God in your trinity is a just a tool used by the other two Gods right?

achorladey:
Where in your Bible did it says you are not allowed to accept blood major components transfusio but free based on conscience to accept what they call minor blood fractions transfusion.

Where in the Bible, blood transfusion is a disfellowshipment offence?

Where in the Bible did you see ban on blood transfusion.

Where in the Bible were you thought vaccinations have no benefits and a barbaric acts


Who taught you Jesus returned spiritually in 1914

Concerning blood transfusion, it clearly against God's law to accept blood.
Blood transfusion has a lot of negative effects.
Last last na God go give us life no be blood of another person.

JWs accept vaccination. The JW man i met on social media and his wife were vaxxed.

Go and read your old testament well. Those that eat blood were removed from among the people.

That's what they got from their calculations and observations.
They didn't say the Bible said it.

Just stick you your solo level with your Jesus.
Peace beo

yahwehpickin:
IT is no a poison... It is understanding the whole picture.

Tell me Who is the Holy Spirit and what is His name?

It doesn't have a name. It's not a person.The holy spirit is a power from God. It links to God.

You remember the scriptures that you brought where the itself was used for the holy spirit? Why not himself?

It's well.

achorladey:
And when they examine yours or asked you to examine yours, those who tell you to do so are classed as APOSTATES, DEMONS e.t.c

Lol

You can do better than that bro.

yahwehpickin:
Yes God was creating through Jesus and the Holy Spirit was doer of the job.
Jesus was known as the word in the Old testament. The Spirit of God was brooding upon the waters then God said ( Sending forth His Word) let there be light and light appeared. Jesus never did anything without the Holy Spirit

Where in the scriptures says the holy spirit was the doer of the job

Which word?

Guy do you want to learn?

Nobody knew no Jesus before he came as the Messiah according to his Father's will.
God chose and sent him to save mankind.

yahwehpickin:
This trinity stuff ... No amount of talking Will make you change your mind on it until you see them for yourself, and you will see them in few days from now

Really?

The existence of the the Father Jehovah, Jesus and holy spirit doesn't prove trinity.

Trinity is the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead, Jesus has been with the Father from the beginning.

You said here that God is made up of three persons. i.e three persons in one God. 3 in 1.

Jehovah is the one true God

Still went ahead to say Jehovah GOD is the one true God here. i.e one person.

The doctrine is a poison.

MaxInDHouse:
Ha ha!
So Cornelboy can't even speak in tongues shey?
Well i will teach you, just say after me:

Shakirudeennoboboloradodonidootunjedodo, Owafowododoromoonidodonidodo!

Can you just mimick that for now?

It's pure madness but they are so convinced that they're speaking it from the spirit.
I was once convinced though. Those pastors ehn. They will say "the holy spirit is already within you just utter what is on your mind, the holy spirit won't do the speaking".

yahwehpickin:
Why don't you?

I stopped cause I realized that I was forced to speak gibberish.

achorladey:
It is clear enough for me to know you will point at others and accuse them of teaching commands of men as doctrine while yours do the same and hide them behind imperfections and still tell me they are performance performing better than others.

Point out the commandments of men.

yahwehpickin:
If you read your Bible very well you will see them in operation from genesis to revelation.
If you don't believe In trinity that's your choice, it doesn't reduce the fact. The 3 of them are the God head.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
WHO WAS GOD TALKING TO

Probably Jesus. The angels might be there too.

According to the scriptures, we can see that God created the universe through Jesus Christ.

So the Father might be talking to only Jesus.

cornelboy:
No JWs will accuse Catholics or any other religious organizations for their imperfections and sinning.

What we are talking about here is Catholics having and keeping God's word the Bible but still teaching the people the doctrines of men like Jesus said about the Pharisees.

Mark 7:6-9
[6]Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote,
‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
[7]Their worship is a farce,
    for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’

[8]For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

[9]Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.

1 John 1:8-9
[8]If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.
[9]But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

"Even among Jesus disciples, there was a thief and a murderer there. Paul talked about the weakness in him.
There are cases of people that commit sin like adultery in the early church.
We are imperfect humans."


First you didn't need to know when I start before advising me to stop. Get that first.

What's your palaver gangan, why are you here?

This clear enough.

yahwehpickin:
Nothing is obvious oh. But it is alright!!!

Do you speak in tongues??

I don't speak in tongues.
I did in the past though.

achorladey:
Cornelboy really? Oga abeg go read the kind of organisation you want to join. I cannot be doing that for you. Na want to join them not me

Oga in simple terms, Jehovah's witnesses teaches the commands of men as DOCTRINES. Pointing finger at others and turning a blind eyes to his own.

To you it doesn't to me it does. Na so reasoning be. Get to understand that and after all you will see come back and say I am disturbing your freedom . Oga you can start, stop, start, stop, start, stop. No be me want to become Jehovah's witness

Thanks for you opinion

yahwehpickin:
Nothing is obvious oh. But it is alright!!!

Do you speak in tongues??

Catholics believe in trinity and I don't because the Bible teaches otherwise. Why is it not obvious?

You even believe in trinity but don't know the depth of the uninspired men doctrine?

yahwehpickin:
Trinity is the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead, Jesus has been with the Father from the beginning.

Jehovah is the one true God

What's the meaning of Godhead Baba?
Only the Father is the God head.

Trinity doctrine is the doctrine of men. Jesus didnt teach it, the apostles didn't teach nor believe it.
They say God is three persons in one God or one God in three persons. While the Bible says the one GOD there's, is the Father!

God the Father, Jehovah is God all by Himself.

Jesus His son was begotten or created in His exact image by Him. Yahweh is the source of all life.

yahwehpickin:
Are you Catholic??

It's obvious I'm not.

yahwehpickin:
No one is disputing that!!! In terms of functions they are different. God the father is like an Emperor and he created everything with His son and His Spirit.

If you don't accept that Jesus is not just the son of God but also God, and the Holy Spirit is also God then. Something is wrong

For you died [to this world], and your [new, real] life is hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:3

Perhaps you don't know what trinity entails.

"The 3 members in the trinity are co-equal, co-powerful,co-existing, same in essence,...the list goes on.
Are these attributes ascribed to them really supported by the Bible?

If I asked you, who's is the one true God, what would you say?

achorladey:
My explanation should have given you the answer. Get to read and understand it. Na irrelevant challenge even the Bible you carry don't show...... Show me a better performing performance group.

Learn

And this one is still looking for better performing performance group .

Tell me more. The card you use to save the face of your religious organization but not others

Did you tell me when you start your Bible study. Oga no be me send you message. Start or stop is not my palaver.

Go and read the long post again and again

No JWs will accuse Catholics or any other religious organizations for their imperfections and sinning.

What we are talking about here is Catholics having and keeping God's word the Bible but still teaching the people the doctrines of men like Jesus said about the Pharisees.

Mark 7:6-9
[6]Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote,
‘These people honor me with their lips,
    but their hearts are far from me.
[7]Their worship is a farce,
    for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’

[8]For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

[9]Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.

1 John 1:8-9
[8]If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth.
[9]But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

"Even among Jesus disciples, there was a thief and a murderer there. Paul talked about the weakness in him.
There are cases of people that commit sin like adultery in the early church.
We are imperfect humans."

Did you tell me when you start your Bible study. Oga no be me send you message. Start or stop is not my palaver.

First you didn't need to know when I start before advising me to stop. Get that first.

What's your palaver gangan, why are you here?

uthlaw:
na you remove it from Qur'an...who appoint him as son of God,abi na title!

The true Allah of the Christian appointed him.

yahwehpickin:
1. Matthew 3:16
“After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him.”

2. Matthew 12:28
“But if I [Jesus] cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.”

3. Matthew 28:19
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit . . .”

4. Luke 3:22
“And the Holy Spirit descended upon Him [Jesus] in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My [the Father’s] beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.”

5. John 14:26
“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My [Jesus’] name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”

6. John 15:26
“When the Helper comes, whom I [Jesus] will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me . . .”

7. Acts 1:4
“Gathering them together, He [Jesus] commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me . . .”

8. Acts 2:33
“Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He [Jesus] has poured forth this which you both see and hear.”

9. Acts 10:38
“You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.”

10. Romans 1:4
“Who was declared the Son of God with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord . . .”

11. Romans 8:9
“However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”

12. 1 Corinthians 6:11
Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

13. 2 Corinthians 13:14
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

14. Galatians 4:6
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

15. Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him.

16. Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.

17. Ephesians 2:22
In whom [Jesus] you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

18. Titus 3:6
Whom [the Holy Spirit] He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.

19. Hebrews 9:14
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

20. 1 Peter 1:2
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: may grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

If you like copy and paste and represent God with diagram.
It doesn't change the TRUTH that the Father is the one GOD there is. Ephesians 4:6, 1 Corinthians 8:5&6, John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28. Deuteronomy 6:4.

Being saved is with regards entering the kingdom of God in heaven, while being born-again is with regards entering the kingdom of God here on Earth.

You mixed things up a bit here.

You clearly show distinction between born agains and those that are saved. And you still say those that are saved (not born again) enters the kingdom of God.

John 3:3,5,7
[3]Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[7]So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You must be born again.’

It's clear from the above verses that only those that are baptized by the holy spirit are born again. And only them will enter the kingdom of God in heaven.

uthlaw:
who is son of God, confused set of people!

Who are the daughters/goddess of Allah in the satanic verse removed from the koran? Keep decieving yourself.

The appointed son of God is Jesus.

achorladey:
Understand it now, when your religious organisation beliefs and teachings are examined you and your likes start saying it is because of hatred of the religion and that you are being persecuted. Get that understanding now



Show me one LIE I peddle about you or your religious organisation. . When caught in what you guys love to do. Una usual mode of operation is to DENY.......... ABUSE......... ADMIT the LIES.......... beg or start saying sorry/we are imperfect




Oga cornelboy, show me one LIE I stated here to spoil the name of the this religious organization you are a member of or intend to become a member.




Despite the numerous teachings about magic and witchcraft members are still known and reckoned with all over Nigerian as people who are still involved in it and spiritism .

When they were showing the videos about Josiah in their 2019 Regional convention do they cut out the part having to do with MAGIC/WITCHCRAFT/SPIRITISM done by the baal worshippers? Do they. Do they remove the part that has to do with violence since Jehovah hates violence in that video?





Na challenge wey no get meaning and of no use. When those ships wreck you will have to work on water last last . One thing is clear of which you can deny and keep denying.

1. Jehovah’s witnesses do not have pure doctrines of the Bible. I repeat Jehovah’s witnesses do not have pure doctrines. Since their light will always get brighter. That means their are still darkness and contaminant in their light and doctrines.

2. You and your likes are equally trying to follow Christ teachings like the others.

3. What do you have that you did not receive and make you think you are better than other christian religious denominations out there. Your religious organisation is not the one who compiled and translated the first Bible. They were not the first that used JEHOVAH in their bibles. What do you really have that makes you better than them.

Members of your religious organization divorce, abuse children, fornicate, commit adultery, die of suicide, use depressants, kill fellow members, defraud fellow members, slander fellow members, even homosexuals dey there. e.t.c Practice excommunication or disfellowshipment the organization said originated from pagans.


And like your brother in Jehovah MaxInDHouse says the members are sinners, hypocrites like others are influenced by the Devil. Oluwa gbami
What is the better performing performance in your religious organization that I am not aware of which takes them high and above the others. Is it their population


You didn't tell when you are starting in the first place, why should I be the one to stop you. Learn to reason well.

In your Bible study read from genesis to revelation or consult the apocrypha paapaa. You will not see where Jesus preached about a better performing performance group get that understanding now.

Show me a better performing group following Christ teachings and the Bible and with pure worship. Certainly not the Catholics.

Members of your religious organization divorce, abuse children, fornicate, commit adultery, die of suicide, use depressants, kill fellow members, defraud fellow members, slander fellow members, even homosexuals dey there.

Even among Jesus disciples, there was a thief and a murderer there. Paul talked about the weakness in him.
There are cases of people that commit sin like adultery in the early church.

We are imperfect humans.

Oga continue your Bible study ooooo.

If you really want me to continue, there's no need for this your long post.
Just shows us the better performing group?

achorladey:
It is not a case of if you play the victim card game. It is the game you play. Once the discussion does not dance to your tune. You and your likes hide under hatred and persecution of your religious beliefs and organization.

E dey happen well well like saying they are foolish or talking about ise owo won to baje. .

Learn

Keep peddling your what you always peddle.

You and your likes hide under hatred and persecution of your religious beliefs and organization.

You should show me where I've hidden under the hatred and persecution of JW religious beliefs and organisation.
Why do you peddle lie like this, you sabi lie ehn. You can lie for Africa.

In reality, don't they get persecuted for not joining politics (hoping for God's Kingdom to come) and military service?

I know say na the disfellowshipment cause all these wahala. Sorry!

Well I wouldn't say I don't understand how your hatred for JWs is so much like this.

You can lie just to spoil their name.

It's through them I was a able to realise that watching movies that has magic and witchcraft content is against JEHOVAH.
God hates magic, why should I be using what he hates to entertain myself?

Show me a better performing group following Christ teachings and pure doctrines of the Bible and I'll stop my Bible study with the JW.
This is a challenge for you.

achorladey:
Backtracking and going back to play the victim card.

If that's the game you play it's your problem.
I play only PUBG mobile.

Person dé follow im enemy wey im hate talk?

achorladey:
It is simple enough to know that no where in the Bible says Jehovah’s witnesses aka is the truth or where the truth is

Learn.

I'm sympathising with you ni

Wetin I tell you sey happen to me that requires your sympathy. .

Guy face reality. Where did the Bible mention any church name?

"By their fruits you will know them."

What JWs are doing today is not in any other group.

JWs are following the early church pure doctrine.

achorladey:
At least you don learn palaver again.



Na you be our papa to know that.

Keep catching your cruise

Steep:
One of the many evidence in the bible that Jesus is truly God is the confession of his disciples.


John 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

They confessed that Jesus knows all things both past , present and future.

You added past present and future yourself. If that's the case, even Satan know all things.

Remember Jesus said he didn't know the time he will come back.

And that verse clearly said he's from God.

John 20:17 shows that Jesus has a superior God and Father.
Peace.