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Dtruthspeaker

Every lovers of God knows that God is love he wouldn't create a scary place like that and not warn people about it.

What about the hundreds of hundreds of people that had died before Jesus came and they weren't Israelites?

Your interpretation of Leviticus 6 12 &13 won't stop me rolling on the floor and laughing my ass out.

How did fire on the altar turn to hell fire?
Desperation!

Dtruthspeaker:
Remember I told you
"Even here on earth, God showed us the type of Fire He has?

The Fire shall be ever burning..., It shall never go out!" Repeated even Twice!"

EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID IN WHAT PEOPLE WRONGLY CALL NEW TESTAMENT!

THAT REASONABLY TELLS EVERYONE HE TOO HAS HIS OWN TYPE OF FIRE THAT NEVER EVER GOES OUT!



WRONG! AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WARNING IN LEVITICUS 6 IS A CLEAR INDICATION WITH THE WARNING IN MARK AND YOU COULD NOT REBUT IT.



SEE, NOW YOU SHOW YOU RUN ON WISHES, AS I TOLD YOU, EXACTLY LIKE ATHEISTS.

Every Lover of God knows that God is always about Law and consequence of breaking The Law. A Fact which is known since Adam broke The Law.

A fact which everyone knows whether a prophet said so or not.

But Daniel did say what Christ Said in Mathew.25:46

Daniel 12:2
"Many of those who sleep in the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

MaxinDhouse there goes your grave= hell Wish!

See how you actually finished yourself.

Why are those people that died not going to heaven and hell immediately?
Why do they need to be raised back to life as human with flesh?

Adam penalty for his sin is death.

Pharaoh and his army drown and die.

Korah and the others that rebelled against Moses died.

Clearly the punishment for sin is death like Paul said. Not any possiblity suffering or burning in fire after death.

AntiChristian:
See poor reasoning! You can't even spell Qu'ran correctly! John 25 is in the Koran of Paul.

Explain how Angel Gabriel brought angel Michael and place him in to Mary's womb!

Alaye go sleep.
John 25 in the Koran of Paul can be in your Koran but it's not in the Bible.
Koran is not a misspelling. Your knowledge is very limited to things. Na so you tell me say rabb means God in Arabic.

Foolish boy. Gabriel did nothing. He only brought good news to Mary.
It was God that transferred Jesus's life into Mary miraculously through the holy spirit.

It's like asking how Jesus raised dead people back to life, I be God?

Dtruthspeaker:
That is not True! I have beaten you, spoken The Truth and you could not rebut it. EXACTLY HOW TRUTH IS.

THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THE TRUTH! THAT'S THE LAW!



Change of Post! The topic is souls going to hell fire and not "Why Hadēs and Geenna is hell"!

No valid way to go!

Lol.
No be something we go use explain something.

Okay well Jesus's soul went to hell. Everyone's soul going to hell too. Acts 2:31.

AntiChristian:
Same people who said Muslims no they reason o!

Thread is on their Bible. See question asked.

Jehovah witness are one of the worst of Christians!

Have I not be asking you that questions, why do you ignore it?
Answer me first and I'll answer your question.

MaxInDHouse:
He's just disturbing his brain for no reason.
I have known from my youth that Islam has nothing to offer other than than following the churches of Christendom bumper to bumper!

Let them preach a single thing here about Islam and see if there is anything worthwhile about Islam. The truth is Islam has nothing worth considering for anyone to believe that's why they are going about forcing their beliefs on people or always following the churches to find something incriminating so as to promote their worthless religion!

I have a guy like that. Them no de like reason.

Isaiah 43:11
[11]I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

It's seen from that verse that Jehovah God claimed to be the saviour, no saviour besides him.

What about Moses, Samson, Gideon, Jesus etc were they not saviours? Of course they are, but God saved people through them.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
[9]For God chose to save us through our Lord Jesus Christ, not to pour out his anger on us.

God is the SAVIOUR!

Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Are hell and death something that could be cast and burn in fire?
Or does the lake of fire symbolise something else?

AntiChristian:
How was Jesus like Moses not this rambling and babbling like a baby!

Where did Jesus call himself a Prophet?
Who is the expected Prophet in John 25?

Where did Jesus call himself an Angel according to JW?

Alaye stop asking silly questions.
Which John 25 in the Koran abi?

Jesus was from heaven. So he was an angel.

MaxInDHouse:
I just hope he doesn't start cursing you for trying to reason with him!

É no go try am

AntiChristian:
Okay, let's prove your lies! Open your Jehovah witness Arabic Bible and tell us the Arabic translation of Yahweh, Eli, Elohim, Adonai, Adoni.

Translate this Psalm 82:6 to Arabic.

You are gods (Elohim).

If you can do the above we'll see your lies clearly exposed.

But you'll never be able to do it as both you and the translators are dubious liars.

Before that, first tell me why Mohammed's father's name was Abdullah which means servant of Allah?

Leviticus 6:12-13
[12]And the fire upon the altar shall be burning in it; it shall not be put out: and the priest shall burn wood on it every morning, and lay the burnt offering in order upon it; and he shall burn thereon the fat of the peace offerings.
[13]The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.

Dtruthspeaker, really? Burnt offering fire is now hell fire?

See let just agree now that God never warned anybody about hell fire in the old testament.
So if indeed hell is really, it's unfair on God part for not warning people about it.
He never told any prophet about it before Jesus. Are you reasoning along?

God is love and just, he wouldn't do that.


Let's focus on Jesus teaching about Geenna aka valley of hinnom (situated in Jerusalem) translated to hell in most Bible translations.

Dtruthspeaker:
Ah! In spite of clear and direct Words to the effect and Natural Justice?

Ah, your wish is plenty like atheists own.



Thanks for the correction joor, I meant Leviticus 6:12 and 13



Thank God, you also know that it is not the body that goes into "Eternal Life" as proven by your Acts and Mark below.



And see your Acts and Mark post clearly show that it was "His Soul" that went somewhere AND NOT HIS BODY AS YOU REPRESENT.

SO, YOU SEE, YOU GUYS ARE WRONG AND HAVE NO VALID GROUND TO STAND.

Your moniker is dtruthspeaker but you don't want to know the truth talkless of speaking it.

Why is both Hadēs and Geenna translated to hell in mark 9:43 and Acts 2:31?

If you really calm down you would have seen some TRUTH in my previous post.

Now if hell is really a place of fire, did Jesus went to hell after death?

And see your Acts and Mark post clearly show that it was "His Soul" that went somewhere AND NOT HIS BODY AS YOU REPRESENT.

In Acts 2:31, where it says that Jesus soul was not abandoned in hell, the hell there simply means grave (Hadēs).

Did Jesus soul go to hell (grave)?

What do you understand by the soul used in that verse?

Ezekiel 18:4,20
[4]Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

[20]The soul that sinneth, it shall die......

You see that soul means a man himself, especially a living man.

MaxInDHouse:
That is the result of following a long time superstition without making a thorough research to know the truth.
HellFire was an idea brought in by the agents of Satan after the death of the apostles.
This people don't know nor understand how the first century disciples of Christ were making more disciples so in a bid to instill fear in the hearts of those who may question their unscriptural teachings they introduced the idea of Hellfire. So the people they can't fight will be intimidated by the fear of Hellfire but as for those who are less privileged they kill them if any should question their teachings.
In fact most of the bold women back then were accused of witchcraft while the men became victims of conspiracy.
All these secrets are recorded in encyclopedia!

See how the guy responded to my post. He doesn't even want to know why Hadēs and Geenna are both translated to hell.

Nope! Hell fire is not for me because i understand why it is there and who it is meant for.
So, as long as I am not those people, then I am safe, thanks to God.

It's not meant for anybody.

I have not finished reading old testament, infact I am still in Leviticus 8 which is why I saw Leviticuss 8:12 and 13, THE VERY SAME WORDS JESUS USED IN Mark 9:43.
To think that Leviticus 8 said it Twice, definitely Warns you.

Are sure it's Leviticus 8:12&13

Let's discuss Mark 9:43 first.
Mark 9:43,48
[43]If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands.
[48]‘where the maggots never die and the fire never goes out.’

Isaiah 66:24
[24]And as they go out, they will see
    the dead bodies of those who have rebelled against me.
For the worms that devour them will never die, and the fire that burns them will never go out. All who pass by will view them with utter horror.”

Compare the Isaiah and Mark verses and see the truth for yourself. You see that it's the bodies that will burn and maggots will devour?

Acts 2:31
[31]He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Hell is Hadēs in Greek Bible while it's She'ôl in Hebrew. They all means the grave.

From Mark 9:43:
"...to go into the unquenchable fires of hell..."

The Greek word translated to hell here is Geenna.
Why are both Geenna and Hadēs translated to "hell"?

Geenna is actually a place just outside of Jerusalem where carcass of dead animals, refuse of all sorts are dumped. It's a dump site and there was always fire burning and smoke rising up there during the time of Jesus.

So Jesus use Geenna figuratively as a place where the wicked will go after death. It symbolises their destruction forever.
Since they won't be given life i.e they won't be resurrected, their life will end like the animals carcass and refuses dumped at Geenna.

Verse 49 says:
[49]“For everyone will be tested with fire."

Why will everyone be tested with fire?

From my interpretation, I means that everyone will pass through Geenna, in other word everyone will die.

But because of God's promise for the righteous, we will be given eternal lie. We will be raised from our grave. The wicked will remain in their grave.

Haba, I did not expect you will this low

I'm not low. You'll soon see the truth yourself.

Dtruthspeaker:
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MindHacker9009:
But not someone in the tomb for 3 days or more like Lazarus and no proof that Paul raised a person up. Even none believers do faint and recover so your example is not relevant.

Where did you get the proof that Jesus raised Lazarus up?

Whether someone was dead for three day or 10 hours, what's the difference?
They were both given life back. It's the same.

John 5:30-46
[30]I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will.
[31]“If I were to testify on my own behalf, my testimony would not be valid.
[32]But someone else is also testifying about me, and I assure you that everything he says about me is true.
[33]In fact, you sent investigators to listen to John the Baptist, and his testimony about me was true.
[34]Of course, I have no need of human witnesses, but I say these things so you might be saved.
[35]John was like a burning and shining lamp, and you were excited for a while about his message.
[36]But I have a greater witness than John—my teachings and my miracles. The Father gave me these works to accomplish, and they prove that he sent me.
[37]And the Father who sent me has testified about me himself. You have never heard his voice or seen him face to face,
[38]and you do not have his message in your hearts, because you do not believe me—the one he sent to you.
[39]“You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me!
[40]Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life.
[41]“Your approval means nothing to me,
[42]because I know you don’t have God’s love within you.
[43]For I have come to you in my Father’s name, and you have rejected me. Yet if others come in their own name, you gladly welcome them.
[44]No wonder you can’t believe! For you gladly honor each other, but you don’t care about the honor that comes from the one who alone is God.
[45]“Yet it isn’t I who will accuse you before the Father. Moses will accuse you! Yes, Moses, in whom you put your hopes.
[46]If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.


Moses spoke and wrote about Jesus. . Jesus claimed that.

Mohammed himself didn't claimed that nor know anything about the prophecy but you said Moses prophesied about him.

Are now lying for your prophet?

He's fake immoral and sinful. He's not from our own God. Maybe na demon they give am revelation or na him dey fake am.

AntiChristian:
Abeg where was Jesus and Moses called "Gods" in the real sense of that word?

Which multitude did Jesus led and to where?

Where in the Bible was it said that Jesus was without food for 40days...?

Which God was Jesus calling on the stake? No be Eli? Same as Allah?

You go still get sense.
The word "Eli" (Hebrew/Aramaic), "God" (English) and "Allah" (Arabic) are the same. They all mean "god". Just the language is different.

The question is which God/Eli/Allah was he calling?
Of course it's Yahweh his Father. God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

Definitely not the Muslim Allah. If Jesus was an Arab he would say Allah. You get language issue man.

Ken4Christ:
So, if they are counting followers of Christ, Jehovah witness will include itself?

But you don't believe Jesus rose from the dead bodily. You said God stole his body. So, Jesus did not really rise bodily. We argued he appeared to Thomas. You said, he just materialized for that purpose.

You called God a thief and a fraudster and you
call Jesus a deceiver. He deceived his disciples that he truly rose from the dead when actually he didn't. You claim he only rose spirituality.

With all these wicked lies, you still want to claim that you believe in Jesus.

You also do not believe he is coming back visibly. Why are you people so wicked? Why have you chosen to allow yourself to be used by the devil to deny the truth of God's word.

If you don't repent, even Satan will endure the Lake of fire more than you.

Please, stop claiming to be a follower of Jesus when in the real sense, you are anti Christ.

Where did you see all these?
Who said JWs don't believe that Jesus was raised to life by God?

MindHacker9009:
Did Paul walk on water and did he feed 5000 with a loaf of bread and 2 fishes?

Raising a person from death back to life is more than those two.

AntiChristian:
I know you will eat your words somewhere! Jesus is a Prophet. Then he's more than a Prophet. Moses is a prophet. He is not more than a prophet.
He is not God's son.
Moses married more than once. Moses fought wars with his enemies. Moses and his followers won physical battles.

Moses had children. Moses used the apostasy laws and the law of retribution.

Moses left his parents to live outside his home.

Moses served others before his Prophethood.

Moses is human not divine.

Moses died and was not resurrected.

Moses was not crucified.

Moses had a revelation of Torah which was a book.

All these are similarities between Moses and Muhammad (may peace and blessings of Allah be on them both?

And differences between them and Jesus.

Moses no be angel na nor is he part of the false trinity!

The Bible doesn't support trinity, it Roman Catholics dogma. How many time have I explained that to you?

Jesus came to earth as complete human and performed the role of a prophet or have you forgot your definition of a prophet?

Your desperation to authenticate Mohammed's prophethood from the Bible is actually unreasonable.

No where in the Koran or Hadith says Mohammed was prophesied of by earlier prophets to bring God's message.

The roles of each prophet in the Bible were different as well as the message they brought.

It's unlike the Koran that says they all brought the same message.

Don't deceive yourself, the true God doesn't know Mohammed and his faked God Allah.

Dtruthspeaker:
Even here on earth, God has put hell after Judgement, is it now in His Territory?

Jw guy, no dey deceive yourself dey hope stupid hope. Fear God O.

I bet you guys deceive yourself through
the significance of Leviticuss 8:12 and 13,

"The Fire shall be ever burning..., It shall never go out!" Repeated even Twice!

Lol shey na the fear of hell fire dey make you fear God?

Where in the old testament did God warn people about hell fire?

If what Jesus meant was that people will burn in hell fire, why didn't Paul, Peter and other authors of the epistles understand it like that and emphasize on it?

Lol where did he out hell fire after judgement?
Do yo now add to the Bible?

Abraham was the Father of both Ishmael and Isaac, Isaac gave birth to Esau and Jacob, Jacob gave birth the twelve tribes.

Edom the descendants of Esau were not even brother with the Israelites talkless of Ishmael that no one knows his generation.

Muslims can lie. Which history book could be used to show evidence that Mohammed is Ishmael's descendants?

15 The Lord your God will raise up for you [a]a prophet (Prophet) from the midst of your brethren like me [Moses]; to him you shall listen.(B)

If Moses was raised from within the Hebrews, the prophet certainly would be raised from among them.

Mohammed's laws and religion is totally against those of Moses.

The message Mohammed brought is not even new or special. And the name of the god he brought is already existing among the pagan Arabs.

Jesus is a prophet. But we he's obviously more than a prophet. He's God's son and the Messiah.

Hell no dey. But God dey!

yahwehpickin:
Explain what you mean by one with God?

John 17:21
[21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.

John 10:30
[30] The Father and I are one.

It's that one I'm talking about.

AgirlsNightmAre:
What did rabbit and colored eggs(symbols of fertility, used in Easter) have to do with christ?
Y'all Christian's just copy everything from the west without checking it's origins
I don't want to write much, Easter has nothing to do with christ

That's why JWs are different. No form of paganism in their worship.

What information was Jesus passing to them?

If na miracles, the ones Paul did through the power of God is greater o.

yahwehpickin:
no dey use human senses the reason spiritual things!!!! Na village kingship we dey talk about here

Lol. For village kingship, how many throne dé there?
How many head a village they get?

See I have shown you from both John's revelation and Isaiah's revelation that only one person Jehovah the Father is on the throne and being worship day and night.

yahwehpickin:
no dey use human senses the reason spiritual things!!!! Na village kingship we dey talk about here

Lemme ask you this simple question, who's GOD?

yahwehpickin:
Check other translations of the bible!!! For better understanding

The holy spirit is a powerful breath from God.

Jesus was able to have to fullness of God while on earth through the holy spirit.

The apostles and early church also were able to have the fullness of God through the holy spirit.
So the holy spirit is not a person itself, but something that comes from God. It's directed by God. It follows God's will.

yahwehpickin:
check it very well he is there

Revelation 22:16-18
[16]I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

[17]And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

[18]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

They are always together

Read Isaiah 6;1-3 and revelation 4 and tell me why the second and third person of the holy spirit are missing?
Why are there not three thrones?

Or why is the Father not sharing the one throne with them?