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Dtruthspeaker:
THIS IS COMMON SENSE NA,

A KING HAS A RIGHT TO VISIT THE STUPID INMATES IN HIS PRISON AT ANY TIME. DUH!

Another proof why Jesus, is The Lord, Who is God over us!

NO ROAD!

Your the dumbest nairalander I have ever met

Hismasterpiece:
Jesus did go to hell but not to suffer. Read Peter's epistle

If hell was a good place God would encourage His children to go there but He discourages us from going there

Is there a good place in hell or which hell did Jesus go? And what part of him went there?

Hismasterpiece:
Your doctrine disagrees with the teaching of the rest of scripture. According to scripture people never cease to exist.

Rev 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

The above Scriptures make it clear that there is indeed a place of torment and it is not a metaphoric place.. It is an actual place where people go when they die. And it makes it clear that not only are they tormented, their torment is forever. What do you have to say about the above Scriptures? I would really like to hear your opinion.

Revelation 20:14
[14]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So hell and death is something that could burn in a literal fire?
How's that gonna happen?

AntiChristian:
No it is not. Qur'an is not the same pronunciation as Koran!

When you can't answer question na just to dey eat pen bottom!


Alhamdulillah, i admitted i made the mistake here as i was responding to many mentions at a time. And it was corrected. You dey apologise to everyone you've lied to blatantly here? I'm still bewildered you and your dad (or parody account) Max are Jehovah witnesses behave in these way filled with hatred and calumny.
It just shows what those JW like you keep in their mind against Muslims while knocking on their door.

How did you know i don't know?

I think you should look for that oponu among your sibling. Angels who are sons of God were imprisoned. Was Angel Michael imprisoned too? It's funny your God sent Angel to become human then die! What is God's will? To have a son that dies for the sin of his other creation? Error 404!



Of Course, all Prophets told their followers about Muhammad and there is are verses of the Qur'an that points to this. But you are ignorant and arrogant to ask before condemnation. Na Jehovah witness cult get such vibes!

Holy Prophets wey marry more than one wives that you forbid nowadays!

Okay na.

Hismasterpiece

Why did Jesus went to hell?
Is hell a good place after all?
Pls help your friend out

Dtruthspeaker:
If you like call it ikenna, ikenga, Gbenga, Obinna, Onicholona it does not matter as long as you have clearly seen that God also commanded us to keep a replica of the type of fire He too has, as Proven by your Mark 9:43.

AND THERE WAS NOTHING YOU COULD SAY ABOUT THAT.

So This ends this contention. So you can return to the exercise of your right to deceive yourself!

Oponu ni é o. God gave yo the replica of hell fire to burn offering on altar.

Leviticus 6:9-13
[9]“Give Aaron and his sons the following instructions regarding the burnt offering. The burnt offering must be left on top of the altar until the next morning, and the fire on the altar must be kept burning all night.
[10]In the morning, after the priest on duty has put on his official linen clothing and linen undergarments, he must clean out the ashes of the burnt offering and put them beside the altar.
[11]Then he must take off these garments, change back into his regular clothes, and carry the ashes outside the camp to a place that is ceremonially clean.
[12]Meanwhile, the fire on the altar must be kept burning; it must never go out. Each morning the priest will add fresh wood to the fire and arrange the burnt offering on it. He will then burn the fat of the peace offerings on it.
[13]Remember, the fire must be kept burning on the altar at all times. It must never go out.


So God's instruction on how to carry out burnt offering is what you now call hell fire haa!

Who did this to you? Who's your pastor?

Dtruthspeaker:
I answered it even though this is still a Deviation from Post and not the issue. The issue is not "Why Jesus paid a visit to hell?"

So you can return to the exercise of your right to deceive yourself, even when Lazarus case has shown you that hell is a very very bad place to be.

Wow! How great the limits you are willing to go to deceive yourself!

Exactly the kind of people jw is looking for! No wahala, na una right to choose to lie to unaself.

There are two Lazarus, one was Jesus's friend while the other was just used in a parable.

When Lazarus Jesus's friend died, it's obvious that he didn't go anywhere but the grave {he wasn't existing anywhere, he died} just like Adam our common parents go to the grave. And Jesus through God's power raised him back to life.

Dtruthspeaker:
FALL OF AFTER THOUGHT. The moment has passed when you should have countered but because of the devastating blow and immobilizing shock you received, you could not counter.



THE LAWS OF ARGUMENT WHICH CUTS DOWN EVERY UNTRUE AND INVALID AND INCORRECT STATEMENTS IN AN ARGUMENT SO THAT ONLY TRUTH REMAINS CLEAR AND STANDING!

And the contesting parties do not need to need to say anything about who spoke The Truth. The Truth remaining speaks for itself and will speak for itself.

Which law is these one talking about?

You said hell is a place for the wicked, why did Jesus go there?

[quote author=Hismasterpiece post=111908099]God is indeed love but God is a God of wrath and just as His Love is fierce, His Wrath also is fierce.. He did create hell but He didn't create it for man and He did warn man about hell... severally in fact.. it is all over scripture..

Concerning the people that died before Jesus came, well Paul said that death reigned over all from the time that Adam sinned and introduced sin into the world and others also started sinning too and so they died..[/quot

Adam sinned and introduced sin into the world and others also started sinning too and so they died

So what was the punishment for Adam? Is it not death, ceasing to exist?

All the others that started sinning too after Adam, is their punishment not death?

See if God really created hell fire, he would have warned people about it even before the time of Noah.

The punishment for the people of Noah then was death not hell fire.

Pharaoh and his soldiers, their punishment was death.

Korah and the others that rebelled against Moses died in an earthquake, their punishment was death not any possible torment in hell fire.

Paul even emphasized on it.

Romans 5:21
[21]So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now God’s wonderful grace rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6:23
[23]For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

The kind of death these people died is the one described in mark 9:43 by Jesus. The figurative word Jesus used is Geenna.
It illustrates that they won't be giving life back that is they won't be resurrected in the future.
Their death is eternal. The fire and worms represent agent of destruction.

Compare with Isaiah 66:24.

MindHacker9009:
Telling a group of worshippers in a church that Jesus is coming back. I still remember the look the group organiser gave me like are you joking or what. Now I understand why, after discovering that the 2nd coming is FAKE and was just a creation of the Roman empire.

Sorry o. Max didn't accept you challenge.

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post And Evasion of Issue. You are supposed to attack that "Do (eye) unto others, that which you want done (eye) unto you...

"If thou art ashamed of me (eye) before men,

AND NOT RAISE UP ANOTHER ISSUE. MEANING YOU CAN NOT REBUT IT.

Secondly, "Matthew 5:0,38-42" IS A SECRET TO SOMETHING ...(I HAVE SAID TOO MUCH ALREADY) LUKE 9:26 AND MATHEW 7:12 AND GALATIANS 6;7 HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU THE LAW!

So, no road!

You deceive your own self!

We are not here to fight wars.

Simple question you couldn't answer.


Why was Jesus in hell?
It seems hell is good place after all.

AntiChristian:
If All Muslims are dumb then that means all Jehovah witnesses are worse!

No wonder Jesus said his people perish cos they lack knowledge!

Blatant liar!

I'll bring the Hadiths by sahih bukhari no worry. Don't ask me for chain of narration o. Cos as we all know his Hadith is authorised.

An arrogant ignorant would never accept correction when corrected. Qu'ran is name given by Allah to the name of His Book.

Okay.
Koran is another way of saying it.

Who is the Prophet in John 1:25?

It's no longer John 25?

Same Rabb I've corrected right away! Na so Jesus teach you to behave.

See liar. You lied to me about that and after I informed you that I have checked the meaning online you went ahead and said you've corrected that without mentioning or quoting me. You never apologize.
You even arrogantly said that it's all there on the internet but you still give me the wrong answer.

Are you not the arrogant ingnorant Muslim child that doesn't know anything bout his religion not even the meaning of rabb!

Jesus is son of God!
Jesus is Angel Michael!
Jesus became human having everything human.

Ehn ehn?

Sons of God aka Angels came to sleep with humans impregnating them and birthing giants! Gen 6:1-4.

So?

Now, Jesus, your son of God, Angel Michael, Human, is now a Prophet like Moses.

Oponu, those sons of God angels where imprisoned.

God said he would send someone and he sent his appointed son from heaven and the latter became flesh and fulfilled God's will for mankind. What's your problem with that.

Okay, i agree I'm foolish and you Jehovah witnesses are full of negative wisdom!

Take another negative wisdom.
If that Jehovah really was talking about Mohammed in that verse, Allah would have mentioned it in the Koran explicitly that Moses has testified of him. The fruits Mohammed shown shows that he's far from being sent by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

He wan claim sit with holy prophets. I laugh in Naira land
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Dtruthspeaker:
You have seen what the verses shows in relation and connection with the Mark 9:43: you quoted.
"...to go into the unquenchable fires of hell" .

Case Closed!

There is no way for you to go.

Your saying gibberish and you thought you are making sense.

Leviticus was about fire continually burning offering on artar while Jesus was referring to the perpetual destruction of the wicked in Gehenna!

Is the delusion so strong in you and you've started to misinterprete God's word?

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post And Evasion of Issue. You are supposed to attack that "Do (eye) unto others, that which you want done (eye) unto you...

"If thou art ashamed of me (eye) before men,

AND NOT RAISE UP ANOTHER ISSUE. MEANING YOU CAN NOT REBUT IT.

Secondly, "Matthew 5:0,38-42" IS A SECRET TO SOMETHING ...(I HAVE SAID TOO MUCH ALREADY) LUKE 9:26 AND MATHEW 7:12 AND GALATIANS 6;7 HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU THE LAW!

So, no road!

You deceive your own self!

Which eye am I seeing in that verse?

Jesus meant that you should love others like you love yourself, that is, do to other what you want them to do to you.

Were we talking about eye before? Why did you change post?

When I was trying to explain my point asking you why the Greek words Geenna and Hadēs are both translated to hell (which in fact corresponds to what we are discussing) you accused me of diverting.

Are you now a hypocrite, why are you doing to me what you don't want me to do to you?

Any small thing you would shout, diversion, change of topic, I have beaten you, you even lie that Leviticus 6 12 &13 are talking about hell fire etc hell is sure your portion!

JustExposeIt:
Christ is the savior. He saved us from our sin which brought enmity between us and God

No God saved us through Jesus Christ. It was God's plan and will that Jesus should die for mankind.

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GOD's holy word the Bible is truth - John 17:17, and yes GOD is the only Saviour! Know that the Lord JESUS, the CHRIST is SON of GOD - GOD!

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1:1

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." - John 1:14

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins." - Matthew 1:21

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." - John 8:56

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." - John 8:58

"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." - 1 Corinthians 10:1-4

"Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." - John 14:1

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - John 3:36

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"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:" - Deuteronomy 6:4

Jesus never claimed to be God in the same essence as his Father.

He said the Father is the one true God John 17: 3

MaxInDHouse:
Feeling sleepy, see you tomorrow.
Good night my brother!

Alright sir. Sweet dreams.

Dtruthspeaker:
Depart from your foolishness, you have seen what I said Leviticus showed!

Which kind wahala be this?

Were those verses talking about fire burning in a place where wicked people will eventually be burned there or just fire burning offering on the altar?

Dtruthspeaker:
I answered this in one of my post when you raised it.

No you didn't!

Dtruthspeaker:
No He didn't! "Do (eye) unto others, that which you want done (eye) unto you.

"If thou art ashamed of me (eye) before men, I shall be ashamed of you (eye) before my Father in Heaven"

What's that?

Matthew 5:0,38-42

[38]“You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’
[39]But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also.
[40]If you are sued in court and your shirt is taken from you, give your coat, too.
[41]If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.
[42]Give to those who ask, and don’t turn away from those who want to borrow.

Your incompetent in handling God's word.
Your pride won't make you see the TRUTH.

Dtruthspeaker, did Jesus soul not go to hell?

Dtruthspeaker:
I will burn in hell if I lied to you that Leviticus 6:12 and 13 is not a confirmation and an indication that God Too has His Own Fire which Burns and can not be quenched, Exactly as Christ Said in Mark 9:4

And you will burn in hell if you do not remove yourself from the path of hell!

Come back to your senses.
Was Leviticus talking about hell fire where people will burn forever or fire consuming burnt offering on the altar?

AntiChristian:
Falsehood and conjectures!

Bring the clear proofs!

Lol.
You no de read Hadith?
All Muslims are so dumb.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now, there is no difference between you and those evil loving and evil doing atheists Inspite of the several clear warnings in the Bible.

"Be not deceived: God cannot be mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap".

"An eye or eyes for an eye or eyes".

Jesus ended the an eye for an eye law.

He brought message about love.

And what he meant was not scary hell fire that religion invented today but Gehenna which is an illustration for eternal death.

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't! The War is not over and our souls can still be condemned.

Just run your own race with all thy heart, might and strength until the end. You have no part in his condemnation or salvation.

Just run your race well

You will burn in hell for lying to me that Leviticus 6 12 &13 was talking about hell fire.

So Dtruthspeaker, did Jesus's soul went to hell or not?

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post! No be me dead people Customs and Immigration!
Change of Post! No be me dey raise back to life and the Bible only said "raised back to life" e no talk with human with flesh"!
No one is saying it is not death, we are saying death by "Eternal living in Contempt and gnashing of teeth"

Okay it could be burning in fire or gnashing of teeth or living in contempt right?
Na anyone god wan give as punishment he go give okay.

JustExposeIt:
Christ is the savior. He saved us from our sin which brought enmity between us and God

Did you read 1 Thessalonians 5:9?

2 Timothy 1:9
[9]For God saved us and called us to live a holy life. He did this, not because we deserved it, but because that was his plan from before the beginning of time—to show us his grace through Christ Jesus.

MaxInDHouse:
How i wish you just watch and see how things will go between them and their atheists friends with their HellFire stuff!

Who's their athiest friend?
I haven't seen his comments

Not at this stage?
Don't worry you go soon see reasons to start looking for why "Geenna" and "Hadēs" are both translated as "hell"

Dtruthspeaker:
Not at this stage!

Fallacy! Jesus did go to preach to the people in hell but it is not True that every soul goes to hell eg Samuel's soul did complain he was "disquiet" meaning he was resting. 1 Samuel 28:15

compared to the rich man/Lazarus who was crying for help.

The difference is clear!

Did Jesus soul go to hell or not?