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achorladey:
Feel free to cash out on that post.

The stupid one is one who believes he's being controlled by one holy spirit yet keeps calling someone stupid!

Did I ever confess to you that I'm baptized with the holy spirit

Where did Jesus said no more more an eye for an eye?

[center]Matthew 5:38-47
[38]“You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’
[39]But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also.
[40]If you are sued in court and your shirt is taken from you, give your coat, too.
[41]If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles.
[42]Give to those who ask, and don’t turn away from those who want to borrow.
[43]“You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy.
[44]But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!
[45]In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike.
[46]If you love only those who love you, what reward is there for that? Even corrupt tax collectors do that much.
[47]If you are kind only to your friends, how are you different from anyone else? Even pagans do that.[/center]

Jesus said:
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. Mat 5:17

Jesus didn't free her. He mentioned that those accusing her are also not free of sins!

Jesus ended the old covenant and started the new covenant through his sacrificial death.

Jesus told her to go and sin more. That's the message Jehovah God brought to us through Jesus

John 8:10-11
[10]Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
[11]“No, Lord,” she said.And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”----------
[quote author=AntiChristian post=110241624][/quote]There are cases where Jesus and his disciples didn't observe the law

achorladey:
E good make you dey learn



Since Emusan said the post gives you pain and the repercussion of that is to tell him he reasons like a 10 years old .

Then na sure banker and something you can take to the bank and cash out that you equally reason like a 10 years old. Evidence captured below

Learn you no gree.

Yes i am sure.
The books were for the people/Nation they were meant for. They were not meant to be preserved.

The prophet of islam was sent to which nation and people?
I'm also sure that the Bible has survived translations


But wait o, do you really think the Koran is genuine?
What about those copies of the Koran the first caliphate of islam burned after Mohammed's death?
How are we sure the one he authorized is original?

No, the Torah mentioned in the Qur'an was revealed to Moses.

Pls can you show it from the Koran?

Where did i mention that? Jesus was given a revelation which is called Injeel. This he taught his disciples and people.

If Mohammed referred to this injeel in his days, definitely the injeel was intact in Mohammed's lifetime. What makes you think the christians didn't protect their book like you think the Muslims did?

See another lie from this Christian. Where did he call the Injeel book written down? Every messenger has revelations which can be in book form like that of Moses or otherwise. Jesus wrote nothing during his lifetime.

Can you proof that Jesus didn't write anything down from the Koran?

How would Mohammed or Allah tell you to consult the Torah and injeel if they weren't written down?
I'll give you the verses that refer to the injeel as scriptures for the christians

This is simply because the Bible as it is today still contain some truths about what happened earlier mixed with falsehood as it passed through men

Why was the satanic verses removed from the koran
How did you know that the Bible contain falsehood, do you have the originals?

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We know Muhammad was unlettered and never read your Bible as your Bible was unavailable back then! Note i said your Bible not Tawrah of Moses and Injeel of Jesus.

You think say you smart lol
Do you know any history about the bible at all?
Go and and read history well. The whole old testament had been existing hundreds of years before Mohammed's parent were born

Was Mohammed deaf or how did he receive revelation from Gabriel?
Perhaps the "Gabriel" revealing things to Mohammed was a literate guy reading and translating the bible to Mohammed

Open 1 John 5:7 in the KJV Bible and then other translations.
Clarke's Commentary on the Bible says it is likely this verse is not genuine

You see yourself that king James is a deviant translation. The team that translated it put their idea of Trinity into the verse.

I'll research on 1 Samuel 13:1 and address it later. But you sure know that that verse ain't hiding any special truth
[quote author=AntiChristian post=110242781][/quote]

Any seeker of truth should not find it difficult to disregard the bible being the complete word of God rather it is a book that contains the words of God, Historians, Poets, Kings, etc...

It's obvious that every word in the bible was not spoken directly by Jehovah God.
The bible is historically accurate, archeology has proven the bible to be historically accurate.
Remember the bible wasn't a single book. It's the compilation of different books by different authors.

Emusan:
It's still paining you that my prediction is more accurate than your organization

Again, further your education so that you can understand that post of mine.

Na you need to go school o.
Make i go run PhD Abi before i go fit understand
Paining me? Baba you de reason like a 10 years old kid

He saw the truth or JWs copies his truth because last time I checked, some Christians don't believe in Hell long before WTBTS was birth

Lol you think copying the Truth of God is a sin abi? The JWs found out from the Bible themselves and held to the truth.

I don't do alcohol like JWs I'm always filled with Holy Spirit

Lol alcohol de comot holy spirit for person body abi
Jesus himself drank alcoholic wine in his lifetime
Despite the freedom to drink, i don't drink myself
[quote author=Emusan post=110250685][/quote]YOU'LL GET THE WHOLE TRUTH FROM THE BIBLE. GO STUDY NA!

You sure say you get the real holy spirit

Steep:
yes of course

John 5:28-29
[28]Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
[29]and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.


Daniel 12:2
[2]Many of those whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace.


Revelation 20:11-15
[11]And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide.
[12]I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books.
[13]The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds.
[14]Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.
[15]And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.


Don't you think that the Bible teaches about a specific judgement day where people that had died will be raised by to life from their grave and be judged?

It's well

Kobojunkie:
No, it is never alright because by doing that you instead spew lies pretending you do so in God's Name.

It's alright

Kobojunkiee:
You need to stop attempting to inject lies you have been previously fed into scripture abeg... it gets hard keeping up with your many postulates abeg.

Na your own headache o.
I de try make i give you paracetamol but you no wan take

kingxsamz:
Omo, that's your headache o.
You asked where your god claimed to Create evil, and I showed you. Argue with your bible. Thanks.

Kobojunkiee:
If it is the case that you don't understand what James is there trying to tell you, then say so. Else, try to pay attention to the discussion at hand......

1. Again....Well, in a sense, Paul's opinion that everything God created is good (including the Evil that He created) is not far from God's Truth. I mean after all it was all of it, created according to God's specifications - Good and Evil alike. And the fact that God even put a tree of knowledge of both Good and Evil in His garden, long before man showed up on the scene, speaks volumes of this.

2. So we are back to me asking you exactly where in scripture you get this idea to attribute the creation of evil to man. I mean you could have said Satan created Evil but instead you attribute evil to men and I am curious to understand where this idea of yours comes from. Surely, God's own declarations should hold greater value than the opinions of Paul in this.

3. Also consider the fact that the knowledge of Good and Evil predates man. So can man be said to be creator of that which came before him?

If Evil came into being after Adam sinned... so what about your other theory of a devil(evil being) tempting Adam before this sin?

Shalom Kobojunkie

James 1:13-15
[13]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[14]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

Adam disobeyed God and brought evil, sin and imperfection to us.
If he hadn't sin there wouldn't be any evil in this world today.
Evil came came has a result of his actions.

Kobojunkiee:
Well, in a sense, Paul's opinion that everything God created is good (including the Evil that He created) is not far from God's Truth. I mean after all it was all of it, created according to God's specifications - Good and Evil alike. And the fact that God even put a tree of knowledge of both Good and Evil in His garden, long before man showed up on the scene, speaks volumes of this.

So we are back to me asking you exactly where in scripture you get this idea to attribute the creation of evil to man. I mean you could have said Satan created Evil but instead you attribute evil to men and I am curious to understand where this idea of yours comes from. Surely, God's own declarations should hold greater value than the opinions of Paul in this.

Also consider the fact that the knowledge of Good and Evil predates man. So can man be said to be creator of that which came before him?

Will judgement take place immediately after death?

Steep:
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Death is the cessation of life, although there are different types of life. There is the natural life or biological and there is the spiritual life or eternal life.
Life itself has its source from God, God is the one who sustains all life. When one is cut off from God the source of life, he dies.

This is what happened to Adam and Eve in the garden of eden, they were cut of from God and they lost their spiritual life and many years later lost their biological life.

Every human has a biological life but however not the spiritual life, and one day will lose their biological life and face eternal death.

what happen after death

It is Judgment! Yes it is the judgment to determine the abode of the soul depending on the state of that person, if that person has the spiritual life then he will be with the Lord but if he has no life then he is condemned and cast into hell!

Dear reader do you have the spiritual life of God also called the eternal life?
This is what Jesus said
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Will you accept Jesus christ and recieve the gift of eternal life?

A stupid question coming from a confused person

You didn't see where Jesus said it's no longer an eye for eye?
You didn't see where Jesus freed the woman caught in adultery abi?

You haven't fully addressed your previous thread but your here creating another one.

You haven't read about the old and new covenant abi?

AntiChristian:
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

But Jesus said:
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. Mat 5:17

So how did Jesus fulfil the verse above?

Go sit down baba.
1 Timothy 4:4
[4]Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it but receive it with thanks.

Evil came from man.

Kobojunkiee:
1. The same way good came into the world.

2. Really?
Doesn't that read as though an if .....else ....conditional, options?

Earlier you had mentioned something about "freewill" , so are you trying to tell us that instead God tried to force Adam to doing His Will then?

How did evil come to the world?

God didn't give him option between good and evil, he only told him not to eat of the tree.
It was the devil and man disobedience that brought evil to the earth!

Kobojunkiee:
Does God need to put Evil in the minds of anyone to begin with?

Look at Adam! All God did was give him a choice between good and evil. Did God need to put evil in Adam's mind to cause Adam to chose evil?

Pls next time your responding to my comment, don't mention anything bout the JWs or the 8 men if you can't tell me what your religion is. Just give your comment and go

achorladey:
Learn you no gree. Jumping from place to place.



The issue is not whether na bad name or not. Name calling is what you people love to resort to when you have no room to wriggle.




The thread is not about my religion no divert into something else. You know it is a religion matter.



No be the first time I don ask you even tell you and your likes the religion accepted from God's standpoint as contained in that Bible you carry . The thread is not based on your question paapaa.

Peace be unto you

Innobee99:
After this comment, if I reply u again, then am a big F00l

Did God put the evil in their mind?

Kobojunkiee:
So is this the verse from where you get your idea that men "invented" or even "created" evil?

Genesis 6:5
[5]The lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil.

Kobojunkiee:
What?
Here again are the questions I asked you?

1a. Where is it written that evil was invented, or even created by man abeg? Why not answer to the claims you yourself made?.

1b. Where do you read that Cain "invented" murder?
1c. Where do you read that David "invented" such killings?

2. Are you insinuating that even though Adam was given a choice between Good (obedience) and Evil (disobedience), that by choosing disobedience Adam "invented" Evil?

3. I didn't forget this at all. I am still waiting on you to show where exactly you read in scripture that man "invented" or even "created" evil. This since Evil is that which is against God's direct commandments to man.

You clearly don't understand the Bible.
You don't know how God dealt with His chosen people
Who were the audience of prophet Isaiah then?
Who did God bring bad times to?

kingxsamz:
This one na long story.
I already showed you the verse.
It says he creates evil, right there.

Oh the purpose is to spread the Good News huh?
And you think attending a crusade meeting would be the first thing on an unrighteous person and "lost soul" schedule?

Innobee99:
Did he inform u that the purpose of his Crusade is to raise dead bodies?
Because u have one hole called mouth u go just open am waaaaaa

Your comments no need response
But wait o JOTL na bad name?

The moment you stop going to their church, enmity don start

No be religion matter Abi

Why don't you tell us why you stop going to church altogether or belong to any religion?

achorladey:
Na person wey belong to a religious denominations now



Na you dey tell me before that you don't know them



The thread was not about my religion or where I stand.



You decide to spill what is in your heart. I thought you don't know them before ni

Learn.

Kobojunkiee:
Really? Where did you read all of this from?

Kobojunkiee:
What?
Here again are the questions I asked you?

1a. Where is it written that evil was invented, or even created by man abeg? Why not answer to the claims you yourself made?.

1b. Where do you read that Cain "invented" murder?
1c. Where do you read that David "invented" such killings?

2. Are you insinuating that even though Adam was given a choice between Good (obedience) and Evil (disobedience), that by choosing disobedience Adam "invented" Evil?

3. I didn't forget this at all. I am still waiting on you to show where exactly you read in scripture that man "invented" or even "created" evil. This since Evil is that which is against God's direct commandments to man.

No human or angel was programmed, we all have freewill and reasoning

Kobojunkiee:
You continue to assume at at some point in his existence, Satan morphed from his original programming and my question to you remains where do you this idea or storyline from?

Kobojunkiee:
1a. Where is it written that evil was invented, or even created by man abeg? Why not answer to the claims you yourself made?.

1b. Where do you read that Cain "invented" murder?
1c. Where do you read that David "invented" such killings?

2. Are you insinuating that even though Adam was given a choice between Good (obedience) and Evil (disobedience), that by choosing disobedience Adam "invented" Evil?

3. I didn't forget this at all. I am still waiting on you to show where exactly you read in scripture that man "invented" or even "created" evil. This since Evil is that which is against God's direct commandments to man.

Sorry i forgot that you're the JOTL

achorladey:
Good you see the experience and learn from it. I didn't ask you to peddle pains and sorry state. The post you respond to do not carry pains and sorry state.

So your own bird get different feathers
I'm a JW, I'm proud to say it.
What about you, what's your religion, where do you stand?

Sorry if you see the 8 men as diety because i don't. There are brothers too like every JW but they head the org just like Peter and some apostles head the early church.

achorladey:
Jehovah’s witnesses in disguise


Simply because they want authority for themselves they decided to set up commands of men as doctrine in order for them to be seen as deity


And you are agitating against the common denominator. You are still proving my point. They are all birds of the same feather.

The Koran is a revelation given to Mohammed, are you sure it's the original revelation given to him you have today?

What bout the thousands of books given to all the prophets in the Koran?
The book given to Adam, Abraham, lot, Isaac, Noah, Ishmael, Solomon et al, where are those books today? Allah and the people given it to didn't preserve it?

Mind you the Torah is the whole book of the OT not just the books of Moses (the first five books of the OT).

You really think Jesus was given a book?
It was the illiteracy of Mohammed that made him think that the gospels are books given to Jesus. Jesus never wrote a book, his disciples did.
He erroneously thought that every prophet was sent with a book. He wrote a book himself
Some times i wonder why some stories in the Koran is similar to Bible's.
Mohammed did a great work by copying from the bible. Little wonder he said you should consult the bible if you want more knowledge about things.
You should know that the injeel and Torah were intact during the life of Mohammed and the Torah had been written hundreds of years before Mohammed was born.
If not Mohammed wouldn't have mentioned it.
You think the Jews and the christian didn't preserve their books but the Muslim did?

Alaye go reason am

AntiChristian:
Injeel is the revelation given to Jesus While the Torah is that given to Moses. Are these two what is called the Bible today?

bmdmix11:
if Muslims had Mohammed witness like jehovah witness I wonder what it will b like when they knock on ur door?

JWs are the only christian folks teaching the absolute truth of God from the Bible