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The bible bro

Kobojunkiee:
But that was your claim... not mine. So I am asking to know the source of your claim.

Oh man invented those things but man didn't invent evil right?
When Cain killed Abel, it was God that invented it huh?
When David took Uriah's wife and killed him in battlefront, God invented it right?

When God told Adam not to eat out of the treethat he will die if he did but he eventually disobeyed God and he died, God invented it right?

You've forgot about man's free will to choose from good and bad?

Kobojunkiee:
1. Where did you get this story of yours from is what I asked you.

2. Man invented those things and manufactured them, not from thin air, but using already created raw materials. A farmer does not claim He created the crops on His farm because you planted seeds.

So back to my question, where in scripture are you told that man created evil?

Also, you do understand that if man created evil then by implication that means God is not then the creator of ALL things?

And if God is not the creator of ALL things, then He is just one of many creators(man being one of them according to you) and so He cannot hold the title of God of ALL creations nor of God over ALL.

3. I didn't ask you what you assume God's initial purpose for the earth was, so please try to pay attention. God never said that is what His Law is meant for, this since there are also curses and punishments included within His Law to ensure those who transgress His Law are duly punished. Even the law given by God to Adam included punishment for transgression which we are all familiar since we are all of us born into the curse that resulted from Adam's transgression, revealing God's Law from the beginning included a check for evil.

Kobojunkiee:
You continue to assume at at some point in his existence, Satan morphed from his original programming and my question to you remains where do you this idea or storyline from?

Where did yours come from?

Isaiah 45:7 NLT
[7]I create the light and make the darkness.
I send good times and bad times.
    I, the lord, am the one who does these things.

If you read the Torah well, you would understand that God punished the Israelites whenever they go astray so that they could turn back to Him.

They easily forget God and He would send bad times to them to correct them. It could be in form of famine or other nations raiding their land or outbreak of disease....


But generally when it comes to doing evil, man is the source of evil not God.

I heard a news about a 14 years boy behead his girlfriend for money ritual and do you blame God for that?

God gave us commandments about loving others. If everyone obeys God today, i think the evils we'll be dealing with are death, sickness and all that.

Mind you, a time is coming where the world will be in abundance of peace. No death, suffering, sickness struggling, famine, pain, any form of evil...

kingxsamz:
Isaiah 45:7. "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Lol a free ticket won't change anything about God and his Messiah.

Even archeology has proved that the new testament is historically accurate.

MindHacker9000:
Here is a new challenge for MaxInDHouse & cornelboy.

A free ticket to Europe for two weeks where you will have free unlimited superfast broadband and you will both use those two weeks to open up your minds that is so hardened now, so the you can research into the origin of the New Testament by top historians in academia and for you to come up with you own unbiased findings with critical facts and not just your personal opinions you have been showing on this forum all the time.

Kobojunkiee:
God is the creator of All things..... good and evil alike. Even Satan was created by God. Man is not a creator.

Satan was created for what? He was created to be the devil?

You don't know about Satan's rebellion and how Michael and his angels defeated him and his angels right?

I should ask you, where you get your ideas from?
Did God create the smartphone your using?
Did got create the internet?
Did God create robots?

God initial purpose for earth was for peace to reign, eternal life etc.. but man fell, then sin and evil came to the world.

Kobojunkiee:
1. Where did you get the story in bold from abeg?

2. Where in scripture are you told that man created evil?

Also, you do understand that if man created evil then by implication that means God is not then the creator of ALL things?

And if God is not the creator of ALL things, then He is just one of many creators(man being one of them according to you) and so He cannot hold the title of God of ALL creations nor of God over ALL.

3. God never said that is what His Law is meant for, this since there are also curses and punishments included within His Law to ensure those who transgress His Law are duly punished.

No one knows God's timing, even Jesus said he doesn't know the time that only the Father knows the time.
"1000 years is like a day before God".

MindHacker9000:
How about Jesus himself did he keep his promise to save the elect he promised to come back for immediately after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD.
“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. Matthew 24:22
“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matthew 24:30-31
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened..Matthew 24:34

Maybe you should save me the stress by pointing out the verses that say GOD created evil.

kingxsamz:
Your bible says otherwise, lol.
Maybe you should read it once in a while.

Satan was created by God as a good Angel but he chose to turn bad.

God didn't create evil, men did. That's why God regretted that he created man.

God's law are there to guide us against harming or doing evil to others.

Kobojunkiee:
God is the creator of All things..... good and evil alike. Even Satan was created by God. Man is not a creator.

Foolish people everywhere!
How would you feel if some hacked your account and stole your life savings?

How would you feel if your wife or properties were taken away from you?

God commandments are perfect! Who are you to fault any of them?

How about you make your brain intact first?
God of the bible didn't create evil. Men did.

kingxsamz:
The same god that created evil is the same god that's promising to deliver people from evil.
Make una open una eyes.

That guy no get religion na atheist in disguise

Ochelyko1:
Is so hypocritical with you guys Muslim. You guys are full of hypocrite. Leave Christianity alone! There is nothing that is happening now in Christain Dom that is not written in the Bible. So follow the teaching of ur Qur'an and leave the Christain Dom alone. Even your Qur'an u can't follow the teaches inside.

Those who knows the scripture knows what it said. And the Bible must be made manifest in our daily lives I don't need to tell u scriptures dat states all that is happening including you muslims.

Incase you don't know the denomination Churches is not the Church of Christ but rather of man. The true church of Christ don't speak anything that is against the word of God

Nobody knows what the language in heaven is.

Speaking in tongues is miraculously speaking in a language you never learned and knew.

The JWs are not confused folks

FERNANDEZISBACK:
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You Christians and Religious folks should never be taken serious cos y'all are bunch of confused persons..
One is saying something..their book is saying another..their pastor is saying another..
Keep deceiving gullible ones...
The division is just too much.. should they follow their God..or this clueless pastoress or their so called pastor..
Look how they are dragging their faith like it's some kinda comedy show..

At the end all they will get is "I don't know you!"

Omihanifa:
I agree with you 100 percent. It even worse in churches like COZA where people come to church as of they are going to quilox.

You go dey see women with half of their cleavages out. Women wearing transparent jumpsuit

No one can be God bro!

Thank you.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
They are all kinda fictional characters tho..

Atheist in disguise! You just turn bible matter to mathematics.

The question is can't the common denominator you shout about here and there save them?

Why were they different sects of the Jews in the time of Jesus when God gave them a pattern of worship and rules?

Didn't Jesus called them hypocrites and that they follow men's doctrines instead of God commands?

It's the same with this generation ogbeni JOTL

achorladey:
Birds of the same feather




The religious organisation that you indeed belong share the same common denominator with the over 41000 religionist as you call them of which you love to denigrate every now and then.

Eeyah sorry i feel your pain. You've really got some experience

achorladey:
The key here is understanding the policies set up by the leaders of these organisation includes protecting their interests. There are existing policies in place that members have been taught and act upon once triggered of which naturally these members will not readily do in their normal day to day activities.

Take for example......

The moment a protestant decide to leave his religious denomination, members of that protestant denomination see him/her as an enemy yet the same member will not readily see a Catholic as an enemy and will readily relate with the Catholic on day to day basis easily than you.

Joy of the lord (JOTL) how far?

achorladey:
You don become one of them or you don't know the 8 men who are your religious leaders still based on the bold?

God promised us eternal life and it's gonna happen on this earth, new earth paradise.

People are going to be resurrected and live on this earth again. A new world free of evil, death, sickness, struggle, pain etc..
The Roman Catholic actually invented the doctrine of hell fire to coerce people into Christianity and increase revenue

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Trendingbiz042: post=110198397]Have you tried to say amen to the prayer I prayed for you?[/quote]

There are a lot of dead bodies in the mortuary. Your pastors should go there.
I don't have any dead body baba.
If any of my siblings died i don't need to waste my time for any miracles. All i need do is wait for resurrection (the greatest miracle).

If Jesus were to come in this generation, where do you think he would go to save people?

Innobee99:
U haven't answered my Question Comrade.



Did u bring a dead body and it wasn't raised?

You think the Jews and pharisees didn't want to hurt Jesus in 33 C.E?
We should rather trust more on Jehovah for our protection not men.

The life of Jesus and the apostles were simple.
No luxury and turning gospel to business/ job.

Image123:
50 years ago, the presidents and governors and influential people could move around freely and greet people casually on the road. Not to mention 2000 years ago. Today, a local government chairman cannot walk on the street safely. Wake up man, this is 2022, not 33 C.E

i see you are just a boy, you need to grow up

This how fake prophets start with their assumptions

Do you assume that Jesus was going around hospitals healing people?

Jesus and the early apostles moved from places to places, cities to cities proclaiming the good news and working miracles through God's power.

Someone who has never seen or performed a miracle should not be telling us how miracles should be done, reason it

No one knows how miracles are being performed. It's happens via God's power. And i believe in miracles and the Bible. I believe in resurrection.
[quote author=Image123 post=110194108][/quote]When I hear people speaking in tongues nowadays and they claim the utterance is from the holy spirit, i would wonder if it's really from the HS.
The first generation of tongue speakers spoke intelligible words in foreign languages and it was a sign to foreigners present in Jerusalem then.

Some even learn how to speak it today

Fake pastors and false prophets are rampant, Jesus forewarned us about them!

"He becomes a God", not the Almighty GOD.
Even God himself called Moses God. Some men were called Gods too in the bible.
You need to understand properly what the word "God" mean in Hebrew perspective.

Paul acknowledged in 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 that although there are many Gods in heaven and earth, but for them, the one true God is the Father! John 17:3

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Why remove Christ from Jesus?
Is he not the same Jesus Christ?
And why will you call Jesus God since you say he's not same as God..?

Here is your statement
"Now from the above we can see why Christians call Christ God. When you have an authority over everything, you become a GOD."
Why that way?he having an authority over everything now automatically makes him the same as your God or what?

What is the purpose of your crusades?
Is that the method Jesus and the early apostles used to spread the Good News?

Innobee99:
How many u bring?

The Roman have the books of Aristotle on how to be good but they still go about enslaving other nations right?
"By their fruit, you shall know them".

Without the Torah and the NT, there won't be anything like morals today.

We are able to differentiate from bad and evil through the Bible.

MindHacker9000:
The Romans already had the teaching of Aristotle on how to be good to others centuries before they conquered Israel, so for your information doing good to others did not start from the New Testament. The Romans brought European civilization of that time to Israel. Stoning a woman for Adultery was not recorded in the New Testament and the Jews were not allowed to carry out the punishment in their Law like stoning people for picking sticks on a sabbath. The crucifixion is a Roman punishment for anyone that tries to rise up against Roman occupation to deter others from doing so.
Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.” “But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. (John 18:31 NIV)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csIW4W_DYX4

Most of the miracles happening nowadays are fake. If these pastors are really filled with God's power why do people still die in hospitals, why are there many mad people in psychiatrist hospital?

Why don't they go about city to city healing people from their mysterious diseases just like the first apostles did?

There are fake miracles and false prophets everywhere.

Potbellied:
How many deads were brought?

Mr man na by force?
Stick to your boolshits na.
We JWs 100% believe in the Bible. We also believe God exists and He created the universe.

Without the Bible or GOD there wouldn't be anything like morals today

oteneaaron:
Lol.

Why are you dodging my challenge?

I am not arguing with you.

The other day you called yourself an intellectual.

Plus you are even a retired military intelligence officer.

Research should be fun for you!

What are you scared of?

I have made it very easy for you - download those books, take a break off Nairaland, sit your old as-s down and study!!

Are you willing to take the challenege?

Joel 2:28-32

28 After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh (gentiles included), And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. 29 And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. 30 And I will give wonders in the heavens and on the earth, Blood and fire and columns of smoke. 31 The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood Before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah. 32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said, The survivors whom Jehovah calls.”

MaxInDHouse:
He has nothing in his head other than the hatred the enemies of truth infused in him against Jesus, so if you scrutinize his reasonableness you'll find out that he's empty without criticism against Jesus there's nothing he has to say!

He's quoting what was fabricated
What happened to his own scriptures

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala, so your story can't stand on it's own without Jesus shey?
Thanks for wasting my precious time and data!

No mind am jàre.
Jesus said if a man looks at a woman lustfully, he's already committed adultery with her.
Pagans fit set that standard

MaxInDHouse:
He thought it's easy to create a character that's so lofty in morals and standards with heart filled with LOVE and COMPASSION by pagans who doesn't have any regard for such standards!