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Emusan:
You know there's wahala immediately you try to separate JWs babies from the destruction after you claimed ALL BABIES are God's enemies. Your deluded brother wanted to use style to claim the same by saying ONLY BABIES SANCTIFIED ARE THOSE OF BELIEVERS FAMILY.

you want to eat your cake and also have it.

I know where this is heading to is a way of painting Babies who their parents are not JWs bad and condemned while raise the ego of you JWs by openly teaching lies against God.

If God wanted to destroy the world today, he wouldn't destroy my baby because I'm God's friends already. The baby is my property.

The babies of the wicked will surely be destroyed together with their parents.
It wouldn't matter whether those babies know their right from left.

All babies are indeed God's enemies right from birth including mine.
I was God's enemy right from birth.

MaxInDHouse:
The topic of your thread says:

Questions for JWs and other pacifist organizations

How can you ask people question yet you say you're not talking about their views?

Thank God i'm not an atheist!

Hahahaha 😂

Emusan:
Does this include Jesus?



No! We only INHERITED A NATURE that is PRONE to SIN.



Don't take it personal, I know you people cry behind when you see people challenging your gods in Warwick.



Now you know this yet you go against scripture to agree that Babies are God's enemies.



I thought Jesus had come, which Jesus coming again?

So JWs babies who are also God's enemies won't be destroyed, we all know where this twisting, peddling and manipulation of the scripture is heading to thou

Okay no wahala

Emusan:
Yes

So it's wailers you're going out to meet on house to house

@underlined is the key point.

MaxinDhouse, Janosky, Cornelboy take note.

Breeze don blow fowl something don dey open

cc @Achorladey



You already agreed that THEY ARE COMPLETELY INNOCENT.

So can an INNOCENT person be God's enemy?

So if they didn't GROW UP and DIE, are they still COMPLETELY INNOCENT?



I love this!

This is not the POV.

Stay in your lane

The moment anybody step into this world, he's a sinner and God's enemy.
We automatically inherited that from Adam.
You can keep crying all you want

Babies can't think nor have the ability to choose between right and wrong. They don't have memory, they are probably blank. They don't have the ability to plan and carry out evil. That's why Paul taught that they should be innocent like babies who can't devise evil.

If Jesus comes back today, the wicked along with their babies would be destroyed again.

Emusan:
Just as you and your deluded brothers keep what you all know to yourself.

Hypocrite!

Lol

Janosky:
No mind that faithless miscreant DECEIVING HIMSELF.

Did Paul teach him that children are sinless?

Don't mind him Sir

Romans 5:10
[10]For since our friendship with God was restored by the death of his Son while we were still his enemies, we will certainly be saved through the life of his Son.

So babies and other people would remain God's enemies if they don't reconcile wit God and be his friend.

Janosky:
"ALL have sinned", says their own Bible.
These faithless miscreants no agree.

No mind am. Babies are not part of the "ALL"

Emusan:
My family and church members already know that Babies are INNOCENT, God's Heritage and Rewards.

Do you know Babies aren't God's Enemies?

So why don't you keep what you know to yourself

Emusan:


Babies are INNOCENT, God's Heritage & Rewards. From God's Word.

No where Bible ever says "CHILDREN ARE GOD'S ENEMIES."

Na by force
Go and teach your family and church members

Emusan:
So that verse is not from God, right?



Babies have not SINNED that's why they ARE INNOCENT.



This excluded Babies if not Christ can't say people need to be like children for God's kingdom.



Not my interpretation but showing you "What The Bible really teaches"

Whatever makes you sleep at night

Emusan:
Here is the Bible verse where God says Babies are INNOCENT.

"Brothers, do not become young children in your understanding,+ but be young children as to badness;+ and become full-grown in your understanding." 1 Corin 14:20 - NWT

Notice the plus sign in from of the @underlined, it's a reference to another verse which is Romans 16:19 "Your obedience has come to the notice of all, and so I rejoice over you. But I want you to be wise as to what is good, but innocent as to what is evil."

Having established that.

See how another version put it "Dear brothers and sisters, don’t be childish in your understanding of these things. Be innocent as babies when it comes to evil, but be mature in understanding matters of this kind." 1 Corin 14:20 - NLT

Reason why Christ says God's Kingdom are for people who are like CHILDREN.

Babies are innocent, God's heritage and rewards.

Stop following man made doctrine.

Lol Paul was the one talking there. He's was admonishing them to do no evil.

It doesn't matter whether we are babies or not. We have all sinned and fall short of God's glory.
Until we are reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, we would remain God's enemies.

I don't care what your interpretation is

MaxInDHouse:
Check his activities after receiving that fitting scripture, he has become restless following me up and down the forum even seeking the support of an atheist.
When i want to sting him i know the exact illustration Jesus used for his kind that will boil his body!

He's been mentioning me thinking I will respond to him

The scripture you used triggered him and the restlessness show for him body

Emusan:
Smile...see frustration

Now the tune has changed.

Was Jesus included?

Very simple question.

That simply shows that you don't understand your own statement.

Okay

MaxInDHouse:
You don't even know the meaning of the word DISTURBED!

If you're sane why are you following me from thread to thread quoting me as if nah me collect your bread?

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell you're DISTURBED anytime i'm chatting with people on Nairaland shey?

Sir you might have to ignore him. Some people just no dé okay for head

MaxInDHouse:
It's normal to present a better option and it's also normal to accept or decline but it's totally abnormal interfering when you have no business in the matter.
You're not buying yet you're always there to intercept the business.
Jesus gave your type a fitting illustration:

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because you shut up the Kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in. Matthew 23:13

Perfect verse for him

Emusan:
Does this include Jesus?

I know your mouth will change.

You're simply dumb for asking me that. No offence meant

ErnestNc:
Because all that you believe about God was what Jehova witness organisation taught you and made you believe, and not by the spirit of God or his apostles.

1 John 2:27 KJV
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


When you're indoctrinated by mere men who don't have the spirit of God, you might have been marked for damnation.

So far, all you have been taught by your organisation have been proven fallible and erroneous when juxtaposed alongside with the scriptures of God's words.

I don't think I'll agree with you on that.
No teachings if the JWs contradicts the scripture. Their doctrines is hundred percent based on the scripture.

So you were taught by the holy spirit and have the accurate interpretation of the scripture right??

ErnestNc:
There are so many people Out there who don't know about the scriptures, or about God's salvation which is Jesus like Cornelius in acts 10, some have the scripture but don't understand like the Ethiopian Eunuch, but God by his mercies will reach them and teach them because they are humble, He will also direct them like Cornelius , to people who he has reached. And that was my case, as I never understood what the modern church was all about. I was lost and chasing after what pastor said we should do and not what scripture declares. But now I know what the true faith is and it's belief in Jesus Crucified and Ressurrected.



Congregation of believers ? What do they believe in? Michael as God's Christ or prosperity as the essence of God's sacrifice?

You don't know what you worship . I'd rather worship with my brethren at home in secret and raise my kids to know the true Christ , I'd rather reach out to lost souls and point them to the Christ crucified and Ressurrected .

John 4:21 KJV
the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

There's no prescribed location for God's worship . You are God's temple and house of prayer.

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But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Do you worship in spirit and in TRUTH? This should be ur concern.

You're just finding every means to justify your solo worship.

Matthew 28:19
[19]Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

So after you go out to preach to people, you just tell them to worship at their home?
Nah! There was a pattern set by the early church. Jesus started a church and he's the head of that church.

Jesus being the archangel Michael doesn't change or contradict anything in the scripture. Rather it might shows us what Jesus identity was before he came to earth. There are indeed reasonable clues why JWs believe that Micheal might be Jesus.

Whether Jesus was Michael or not, it doesn't change the fact that we need to believe Jesus Christ as God's son, lord and Messiah, learn about Jesus and Jehovah God and completely do their wills for our salvation.

Jah bless.

Janosky:
Lengthy episode of WAILING EXPOSED by openbible.org on Ephesians 2:3 ( explained in screenshot),his 3 deities Worshipping friends.

ALL infants of Sodom and Gomorrah are dwelling in Achorladey's head. .

Thank you.
We are all sinners and God's enemies from the moment we were conceived..

ErnestNc:
Believe what you want. I won't follow you to twist scriptures. Keep following your sect .

What makes you think your own interpretation is not twisting of the scripture

ErnestNc:
Like I said , most of the revelation I had about Jesus were before I knew scriptures nor even Met any JW. I was even instructed to let people know in one of my visions. So there was no way it was in my head beforehand. I had to search scriptures afterwards to see if they were so. Even if you preached to me, I would search the scriptures.

I'm not boasting but I have a revelatory gift. Most things were revealed to me before they happen and I never conjured anything or prayed to see these things.

My gift is centred around revelations of word of knowledge and prophecies, not miracles.

If your revelations are not anything new from what were already written in the Bible, why would God reveal them to you in the first place?
It's needless

Yeah that's what most of you say, "I don't have the gift of miracles, I can't raise the dead, I can't do that", but you can speak in madman's tongue, prophesy or have a word of knowledge or wisdom of what has already been written in the scripture....
None of you guys that claim to have the holy spirit can raise the dead or heal a lame person or work any miracle at all

Just follow your way o. But I'm very sure that Jesus never taught us to worship without a congregation of believers.

I was just testing some NL features on this thread lol

What is your religion if I may ask?
Dtruthspeaker

ErnestNc:
If you're talking about the workings of God's spirit through me, I have experienced many especially visions of revelational truths as touching the Christ as the Lamb of God, His coming and a new world which the modern church never talk about. Hence I stopped putting my faith in this world but in Christ and his government to come.

And I have also dabbled in odd practises of the modern church unknowingly too.

I can tell you, Miracles are real . Yes, there are people that do stage and fake them but they happen. Even Satan's messangers work miracles alot.

My meekness had made me sit with different JW people so they could teach me because I found the practises of modern church to be odd and without hope . Their Faith in God is basically believing in God for material possessions.

I entertained the JW evangelists anytime I saw them because they preached Hope of a new world and the new heaven and earth, even when people wouldn't want to listen to them around me. I was surprised that many didn't have an open heart as I did .

The revelation of a new heaven and earth was already revealed to me by God , hence my quest for truth increased. I told a JW what was revealed to me which was even in the scriptures, yet He called it spiritism and labeled my revelations as one that was sourced from Satan.

Years ago, I noticed each time i sat down in a church where the preacher preached only about Prosperity I get angry inside of me even tho I knew nothing about the scriptures.

I'm not alone. The church is not physical . Tho I may be isolated but there are People called Elects of God and they are scattered around the world. These ones may have been deceived for some time but God will not keep them in deception because they are Elects .

Seems most of your beliefs are gotten from the Jehovah witnesses

If you had a dream about what has already been written in the scripture that's normal. It's a replay of that you've already known in your head.

The miracles performed by Satan workers is part of the reason why we should be very careful and not be led astray by false miracles.

So do you believe you have the holy spirit and can you perform miracles?

ErnestNc:
It's really hard to disillusion a sternly indoctrinated man. Hence, I leave you in peace with your beliefs. The prior and most important thing is salvation and knowing the true Christ. I will never jeopardize that by calling the Lord Jesus an Arch angel, and scripture says " non of the angels did God call his son" . But you Jw imply that Michael is the begotten son of God . Who else will exalt an angel if not a fallen angel which we all know to be devils ?

<sup>Lol. Your interpretation is not accurate Mr

Incase you didn't know, all angels are God's son but Jesus is God's only begotten son.
"Begotten" there means unique or one kind. So why is Jesus a unique son?

The fact that Jesus is greater than the other angels but that doesn't mean he's not an angel himself. If he's not an angel then tell me what Jesus is?

Michael led the war against Satan in heaven and Jesus will lead the war against Satan here on earth, don't you see that both Jesus and Michael have the same ability and plays the same role? This shows that they are not greater than each other. From other clues in the Bible, we could conclude that they are the same person

You're right. The most important thing is to be saved. But how can you be saved by playing solo with God without a congregation? You have to search for the group that are doing God's will today and worship with them</sup>.

ErnestNc:
1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


I hope you've come across this scripture.

There are diverse kind of tongues which was seen In Acts2 on pentecost, and there is unknown tongues as Paul indicated above.

What is happening today is perversion, it doesn't negate that one cannot speak in unknown tongue.

Lol. You got it completely wrong
When the 120 were speaking in different tongues, it was unknown to them because they never spoke or heard the language before. Only the Jews around them that were familiar with the languages because they've travelled to various countries understood it.

For example, if you started speaking in Spanish tongue today through the holy spirit, everything you said would be unknown to you because you don't know or understand Spanish unless you have the gift of interpretation of tongues.

All the tongues today are pure gibberish

ErnestNc:
I'm a follower and disciple of the Christ of God.
I don't belong to any religion or faction of this modern day society. If you know what's good for you, you should dissociate yourself from factions with untraceable fables and tales that look like it was coined from scriptures.

What I know is that , all true JW members seek for the truth and they have tried to alienate themselves from the false practises of modern day churches , but they were still seduced and captured in their quest for "truth" into another form of apostasy, by denying the Spirit of God and the true son of God.

Marvel not, for Satan even transforms himself as an angel of light and his ministers are like ministers of righteousness.

If you truly want to be saved , humble yourself and ask God to teach you the truth. This time read the bible for yourself and allow the holy spirit teach you. God seeing your heart not being hardened will draw you and teach you his ways and show you his salvation which can be wrought only through his son, Jesus.

Na solo you dé play with God
Do you have the holy spirit and how many miracles can you perform?
How many word of prophecies have the holy spirit revealed to you

Share some of your beliefs that the JWs got wrong, seems you have all the truths I have been looking for all this while

ErnestNc:
There's no word such as Trinity in the scriptures. I don't belong to any pentecostal , catholic or Charismatic group and my beliefs are not based on their doctrines.

But I believe in God and his son Jesus , the Christ who sent the Holy Ghost in the name his Son.

And Jesus instructed his disciples thus :
Matthew 28:19 KJV
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:




You Jehova witness people have your own bible where you have edited and twisted so many things to suit your Interpretation.

[Quote]So everything you believe in today was based of the interpretation of the Catholic church. Trinity, hell fire, immortal soul doctrines etc[/Quote]

You don't know me nor my beliefs which are not based on factions and fables formed by men, but I know what you believe , You believe in the arch angel Michael as the son of God and your messiah because someone casted a spell on you and made you blind to God's word in the name of indoctrination.



[Quote]Lemme ask you a tactical and logical question concerning hell fire

If hell fire is real;
a. Why didn't God send Adam and Eve there since they were the one that brought sin into this world? Why should someone that only inherited the sin go there?

It's clear you don't know God.

[Quote] b. Why didn't God warn people right from the time of Adam to the time of the Israelites about the possibility of suffering in a fire after death?
Throughout the old testament there was nothing like hell fire.
[/Quote]

So when Jesus spoke on the the story of Lazarus and the Rich man in Luke 16 , what was he preaching about? It was very clear Jesus was literal and it wasn't a parable , else why would he involve Abraham? Why would he speak of Abraham? The rich man was tormented sternly by the unquenchable flame as described By JESUS HIMSELF.

There were several Instances where Jesus spoke in parables concerning Hell and damnation. He spoke of Hell concerning the wheat and the chaff.(Matthew 3:12, Luke 3:17) The fire describes there was an UNQUENCHABLE FIRE

If those found wanting of God's judgment don't meet up, where do you think God would send them to? Oh u think they will be with God in his Habitation? You have been deceived, clearly.


[Quote]c. Why didn't the apostle of Jesus Christ emphasis on it? Today, you would hear "if you don't repent from your evil ways, you will go to hell fire". Any small thing hell fire.
Why can't we find the warning about hell fire in the epistles of Paul and the rest?
[sup][/sup]

Your question should be, WHY did Jesus lay emphasis on it. Who should you take seriously, more... The sender or the messanger?

First I would like to know what the name of your religion is and what your beliefs are