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SuperSixSeven:
I can not see anything that indicates a IRST is integrated on the air frame. ??

Did you now discover other than IRST other features you mentioned does exist on the NAF JF-17. About IRST it is inferior to BVRAAM moreso backed up with IFF capability.

For more info you can hear the fighter pilot himself reel out capabilities of the NAF JF-17. Info now on public fora all over the internet which you can also source to corroborate.

The Defence Minister is given a brief overview of the JF-17s advanced avionics and cockpit display. pic.twitter.com/KQjVr3XduB

— Defense News Nigeria (@DefenseNigeria) May 21, 2021

JF-17 fighter pilots sensitizes the Defence Minister on the JF-17s ASELPOD high performance electro-optical reconnaissance, surveillance and targeting system . pic.twitter.com/5ctECKIqd9

— Defense News Nigeria (@DefenseNigeria) May 21, 2021

I must add Nigeria paid quite a decent amount for its 3 JF-17 THUNDERS as it also did for its A-29 Super Tucanos soon to be delivered in July.
Some of the extra costs go for extended capabilities we direly need in the war up north.

NAF JF-17 THUNDERS screaming maneuvers over TAC Makurdi. Even the birds are jealous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVmObx0bv4k

NAF JF-17 THUNDERS screaming maneuvers over TAC Makurdi. Even the birds are jealous.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVmObx0bv4k

EGRESS: THUNDER LANDS

Now I'm smiling from the stage while, You were clapping in the nosebleeds, Thunder... THUNDER ⚡ ⚡ ⚡

FEEL THE THUNDER ⚡ 🇳🇬 🇵🇰 pic.twitter.com/DKmjvEmz8Q

— Pakistan Strategic Forum (@ForumStrategic) May 24, 2021

mekussa:
Nigerias Jf17 is a 9th generation fighter......
My source told me that the Pakistanis added a quantum teleportation device to the very modern version of fly by wire that they gave us.
He said we were warned not to mention it since its a top secret.

Nice try at sarcasm

kabe1:
It's not my opinion bro, it's a stated fact, and well recognized by multiple international organizations including CATIC & PAC, the manufacturers of the JF-17.

Again, his comment is not enough for CATIC or PAC to disapprove his claim because Nigeria is not a major user, 2 the pilot was speaking to a domestic audience.

If Nigeria had purchased 16 aircrafts and the pilot made that claim, it would have been refuted.

I'm sorry but I consider your position here highly subjective and even laughable. I mean you are saying numbers purchased, domestic audience and the pilots comments are basically irrelevant to warrant rebuttal from manufacturers. I don't believe any manufacturer would risk their credibility even if Nigeria bought one example. The JF-17 is been marketed by CAC/PAC internationally. And let's make belief and assume you are right what about competitors for lightweight fighter sales, I bet you they'd cry high heavens. Besides not only the pilot but the professionalism and the competence of the entire NAF and PAC/CAC would be called into question. And that cannot happen. I hope you know what you are doing here along with those who buy into your tirade without any empirical evidence to the contrary, you are disproving the credibility of an army of professional aviators and engineers.

Well thank God its nairaland. No surprises.

We may both agree there's a place for rebuttal as I had challenged earlier. If none is forthcoming by any reputable organization you'd not only buy isiewu but tender apology.

SuperSixSeven:
Non of the featured specifications classify the JF-17 Block II as a Gen 4.5 Fighter Jet. There is much more to the Block III than just an AESA like IRST (which would be visible on the airframe if installed), Helmet mounted Display, EWAR suite.. and many more features. We certainly see the basic Block II here, which represents a Gen 4 combat aircraft - while the Block III is still under testing and development for the PAF.

I'm sorry the NAF JF-17 has those features you mentioned. You can find the info right here.

Odunayaw:
Resulting to emotions and strong tears now boy?

Didn't know you also have thin skin sry ooo

Odunayaw:
Google is free education

So google na your school. No wonder! Poor generation we are living in. Go back to school.

People just wake up and claim nonsense on nairaland and expect everybody to follow suit especially that Odunayaw who only shows up to be judge and jury no meaningful offer.

Ba only o.lodo pilot tell something dey tell pilot say na im know pass. Such foolery.

Odunayaw:
See as somebody is treating data links like a new thing.

Even SA's gripen has data links

Proof with citation please

Odunayaw:
Bro, just drop the matter. If 4.5 gen will make him have an erection, just leave him to it

No you be pilot. Prove am.

Odunayaw:
Bro, just drop the matter. If 4.5 gen will make him have an erection, just leave him to it

No you be pilot. Prove am.

Odunayaw:
Don't be stupid! Its not my fault you don't understand normal local parlance. Pele o omo butty!

I no understand I come dey answer you...na where u from wey body dey scratch you. Sha if your diatribe help you sleep for night. You need am!

kabe1:
Except you are not well versed on this subject, the JF-17 has always used Data-Link known as Link-17 in the Pakistani Air Force.

It's not a new capability.

The new capability mentioned by the pilot which wasn't open source till he said it is full fly by wire capability of the aircraft.

And yet you knew about it and never sought to make it known on nairaland. Well like I said I'd know from your response who I'm talking with. It is easy to search info on what has become public knowledge and build on that.

Ok then, you haven't answered my pertinent questions. And by the way fly by wire was already public knowledge otherwise it can't even be called a 4th Generation Jet. You see you are no professional just an enthusiast.

The NAF JF-17 is a 4.5 Generation Jet with current specifications bar AESA Radar the only publicly known feature to be incorporated.

kabe1:
This is the report from Jane's defence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.janes.com/amp/nigeria-inducts-jf-17-fighters/ZnlJK3dHVU9mZ28xajRJVkc5dVI5VFp1cVMwPQ2

As you can see, Jane's Defence does not mention anything to corroborate your claim that the aircraft is 4.5gen.


We have all since known that the JF-17 could share data with each other, DATA-Link has been present in this aircraft since inception.

The JF-17 is an excellent fighter jet, but it is not 4.5gen. The Block 3 is 4.5gen.

The part in bold is Data-link. No need repeating ourselves.

We are saying the same thing except for your claim "we all knew..." which is strange because while it was known the JF-17 would incorporate DATA-link it was not known to be active on the JF-17 block 2. If you say otherwise I'd seriously doubt your integrity. You might provide citation.

Now we know it shares data and some of what that data is... beyond that what you are not saying is that the NAF JF-17 is a 4.5 generation jet something Janes report cleverly skipped to avoid any controversy evidently not privy to details about the Jet but which you boldly claim based on open source information about the nomenclature of comparable Jets is matter of fact not the case. Are you a fighter pilot?

Is there any evidence apart from what we already know for you to prove your claim?

Why should I believe you or the fighter pilot?

Odunayaw:
Assembly for how many planes. Tah

Before you add 'tah' which is completely unwarranted -- dunno where some of you got your home training to not be civil in common conversation -- Simply ask whats the thinking of the author. It costs you nothing.

If we are buying anything north of 40 examples as had been speculated it makes sense including bringing advanced aviation industry to Nigeria would set off many feeding smaller companies plus the maintenance chain that would create with Nigeria been the go to vendor country for friendly African countries.

I hope I can't put it past you to comprehend where I'm going with this. We have to aspire.

kabe1:
From the briefing the pilot gave, I think the Block 2 is an excellent platform, with steady advancement in capabilities, it would be a great platform.

If permitted I could post snippets also from a reputable and authentic publication of some capabilities of the NAF JF-17 THUNDER Jet. Personally I can't do so for security reasons. There can only be so much as the pilot gave.

NAF JF-17A Thunder ⚡️Air Display pic.twitter.com/0wRHZbLRAx

— Haroon (@harpoonwisdom) May 22, 2021

kabe1:
From the above brief, the JF-17 is clearly a very formidable aircraft with advanced capabilities.

The world over only the SU-35, MIG-29m/MIG-35, Euro fighter Typhoon, Rafale, F-16 block 60 and above, J-10C, Gripen E/F, F-15, JF-17 block 3 are referred to as 4.5 generation or 4++ generation aircrafts.


With the JF-17 I like that aircrafts are able to communicate seamlessly with each other, I believe that a pilot in plane A would able to launch the missiles and bombs on Plane B.


Also the fact the aircraft only has 7 hard points is also not a disadvantage as 1 hard point can carry 2 bombs or missiles under the wing, so in theory, the aircraft can carry 12 bombs and missiles.

I also like the HOTAS feature of the aircraft, one more thing is the JF-17 is full fly by wire ( computer assisted with multiple redundancies).

Earlier models of the JF-17 were only fly by wire in 2 axis.


I think it's a fantastic platform for our needs, we need a full squadron strength of the aircraft, a minimum of 16 planes.

But 32 aircrafts won't be a bad idea.

Interestingly no certified expert has come out to contradict the NAF JF-17 Fighter pilot.

Janes Defence Weekly has even corroborated the NAF fighter pilot without as much courting any controversy if the NAF JF-17 was 4.5 Gen.

Yes the JF-17s can share data something not previously known just like the 4.5 Gen designation by the pilot of the Jet himself. All of this is new information. Many are willing to travel with everything new he said about the JF-17s in NAF service but struggle to accept the reality of him saying these Jets are 4.5 generation cadre. He didn't even say Block 2.

And also yes the JF-17s can fire its missiles on to a target based on the radar lock of another JF-17. The term state-of-the-art the pilot used is indicative of the Jets advanced capabilities.

iblawi:
24 JF-17 will make meaningful difference in the Air Force's capabilities. Block 3 will make more sense for next set to be procured.

Numbers are nice but for me the medium term goal would be to see how we can invest with the Chinese and Pakistanis to set up capacity for assembly of these aircrafts in Nigeria. Most nations now buy with that incentive in the deal. It helps to transfer technology and know how.

kabe1:
Video brief of the JF-17.


Talking about the JF-17s data-link, air to air & air to ground capability, weapons hard point, targeting pod and designation, and HOTAS.


The Pilot refers to the JF-17 as a 4.5 generation aircraft, I don't agree with this, put the JF-17 is clearly a formidable aircraft.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3FDrRnGyko

We've been through this but I understand its your opinion based on what is open source information. But you do realize there would be a lot of problems for tactical planning if the fighter pilot is giving the inaccurate intelligence on that JF-17 Thunder aircraft. I doubt his superiors would accept that if it was not the case and no one in the NAF or PAC or CAC has come out since then to disprove his claims.

The late COAS Lt. Gen. Ibrahim Attahiru with NAF JF-17 fighter pilots at TAC Makurdi

The late COAS Lt. Gen. Ibrahim Attahiru with NAF JF-17 fighter pilots at TAC Makurdi

ugo4u:
Why are you guys bashing the CinC for not attending the burial of the COAS that was held in Abuja when it is not cows that died neither was the burial event held abroad. If not for corruption why will an army chief be flying by air when he can enter Okada to Kaduna.
You people should not disturb Mai-Gaskiya for heaven's sake as criticising him is tantamount to not being patriotic and the DSS may swoop in on you.

Only to show up for once, this ascetic nonchalant stubborn old man cum president couldn't, what else can he? How much low can he go. Such a shame and disgrace.

Would this happen in the US and the president won't show up. Even US presidents often go to the airport to welcome bodies of US servicemen killed abroad in combat.

Would this happen in Germany and Angela Merkel would not go or in Britain and Boris Johnson would not go or in France and Macron would not go. Even Macron the French president was in N'djamena, Chad for the burial of late Idris Derby in a tense environment where anyone could be shot and oh we forgot Bubu wasn't there either which I called attention to. Chad and Derby that stood by Nigeria against BHT/ISWAP the least you could do for his legacy was to be physically present that should have given us a sign he's sick and can't do the job. He only flies to Europe won't be surprised he has the opportunity to see his doctors. If he can't do the job then resign or be impeached. Haba, why plunging the whole country into uncertainty. No bi by force to be president.

Such a disgraceful president. A shame.

GeneralFarouq:
Times like this, the country should be in a sober reflection but see our politicians.
1. PMB shuns.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/463232-outrage-as-buhari-shuns-funeral-of-army-chief-attahiru-10-others.html

2. Wedding made politicians.
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/463202-photos-amidst-national-grief-nigerian-governors-ministers-lawmakers-attend-malami-sons-wedding.html

3. And the man at rivers.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/463193-wike-holds-political-rally-while-nigeria-mourns-late-military-chief-others.html
Utter disgust.

A disgrace. I don't know why they have not impeached this guy, I mean how many reasons do they need to constitutionally remove an absentee president. Of course they can't make a case with his absence from the late COAS burial but they can make a case on negligence to national duty and betrayal of his oath to protect Nigeria, there's litany of cases including herdsmen killings which he turns a blind eye to but rather have his attorney general implicate his government openly making them complicit in the killings. He and clueless politicians all over the country can only go so far in their madness but not to insult our fighting men and women who make it possible for them to rule.

The Chief Air Staff to lead a delegation from Nigeria including leaders of the Senate and House committees on the Air Force to the US next week to inspect the A-29 Super Tucano advanced aircraft before delivery in July.

A committee member has said the manufacturer wants them to first inspect the A-29s built for the NAF to confirm it meets the specifications paid for before delivery.

The lawmaker said the aircraft can fly high and still hit its targets unlike what obtained with previous aircrafts in the NAF inventory. He added 7 of the 12 paid for will arrive in July.

The Chief Air Staff to lead a delegation from Nigeria including leaders of the Senate and House committees on the Air Force to the US next week to inspect the A-29 Super Tucano advanced aircraft before delivery in July.

A committee member has said the manufacturer wants them to first inspect the A-29s built for the NAF to confirm it meets the specifications paid for before delivery.

The lawmaker said the aircraft can fly high and still hit its targets unlike what obtained with previous aircrafts in the NAF inventory. He added 7 of the 12 paid for will arrive in July.

In honor of the fallen heroes

The last moments of the General in TAC Makurdi for the induction of the JF-17 Thunder
Very touching. Life is fickle but God knows best


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AzF-_6Axfw

If others will not celebrate you sir we will sir!
Rest in peace. May God have mercy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AzF-_6Axfw

In honor of the fallen heroes

The last moments of the General in TAC Makurdi for the induction of the JF-17 Thunder
Very touching. Life is fickle but God knows best


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AzF-_6Axfw

In honour of the fallen

NAF JF-17 THUNDER Fighter Jet Aerial Display

NAF JF-17A Thunder ⚡️Air Display pic.twitter.com/0wRHZbLRAx

— Haroon (@harpoonwisdom) May 22, 2021

In honor of the fallen

NAF JF-17 THUNDER Fighter Jet Aerial Display

NAF JF-17A Thunder ⚡️Air Display pic.twitter.com/0wRHZbLRAx

— Haroon (@harpoonwisdom) May 22, 2021