Djuggernaut: Na worm full una head. I ain't gay, and want to say there are more pressing issues happening in Nigeria, than who dey fwck who..
Who you fwck no make me cum.. Mind your business and focus!
This used to be my.position too. But I've noticed that in countries where gays are "left alone", they quickly go far beyond that, you can almost say they quickly take over and next thing you know being straight becomes something to apologize for!
MySolace: The wise don't just argue to win, dey argue to learn... Do u care about learning atol? I struggle to understand ur understanding.
Uncle, we're talking about desire here. If a woman desires a new man and is afraid of contracting STD or other health defect from him, she simply sleeps with him protected. Problem solved!
If a woman is scared of sleeping with a new man 'unprotected', she's just being cautious/scared of d 'health implications' in other words shes 'suppressing' her desire... but den, she can still go about it 'protected'... problem solved! And d effect of dis so-called non-acclamation of metabolism in vagina is rare. And d worst result is STD.
In America, most people don't steal. Not because dey don't 'desire' to, but because dey would likely get caught cos of sophiscated tech and security apparatus(implications). So therefore, some of dem can move away to regions where security is less tight or where is safer for them and perpetrate dia evil desire. Problem solved
Why am my writing all these epistle? To clear u difference between desire and deterrent.
Our uncle, since you are intentionally being stubbornly unteachable I'll put it bluntly: YOU ARE MUMU!!!
Behavior you've already been told is neither rational nor based on logic or reason but instinctual (like most such animal and human behavior), you are still yapping about "wear a condom, problem solved"! You've already been told it compares to men having an instinctual need to widedy spread their seeds when the gene-survival need for it has long disappeared. You've also been told it compares to phobias - a fear that persists when the rational basis for it had long disappeared. You ignore all that and still yapping nonsense about condoms. That's what makes you MUMU!!!
MySolace: Uncle, since u've failed to educate urself, I can help u do dat....
So, let's start with defining some terms u've tabled.
Acclamate.... To get adapted to...
Microbiome.... Group of organisms living in same habitat.
Semen contains micro organisms, same as women's vagina. When a woman indulges in unprotected sex regularly wit one particular man, microorganisms from both parties can blend or acclamate (adapt), ...get used to each other. So therefore, wen d woman has sex with a different partner, her vagina could "freak out" cos it's not conversant with d micro organisms in d man's semen. By freak out, it simple tells that it could find it strange. Uncle, if the woman desires d new man, and continues to have unprotected sex wit him, and u know wot?...d vaginal metabolism will eventually acclamate wit d new partner. This is purely biology. It starts and ends in vagina.
Plz use d time u will use to reply me and try read and understand.
In ur so-called sperm and acclamation, it starts and ends in vagina. It's purely biological!
But a woman desiring a man goes beyond vagina,,, It has to involve d psyche. So, it's more of psychological!
Thank me later........
Uncle... WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU YAPPING ABOUT??!!
Here's the scenario (don't know why I always have to spell these things out!!):
A woman has a regular partner, she "cheats" with a new man and goes through suffering due to an infection. This happens a few times. PSYCHOLOGICALLY she'd start connecting suffering to new partners regardless of what has changed bilogically (eg introduction of condoms). You see same scenario all accross the animal world. And that's exactly how phobias develop. You could say she developed a phobia of cheating.
If you still don't understand you're a lost cause, you'd never understand!
Good one, but OP the article is too short to not post here nau. Here's the entire article:
Do you know that the series of quarrels and troubles you have with your apartment neighbors depends on how you introduced yourself at first?
Let's look at things you should/shouldn't do when you enter a new environment.
1. Don't rush into making friends: Upon moving into a new apartment, it's important not to immediately become close with anyone. Take your time to get to know your neighbors, even if it takes days or months. Once you've learned more about them, you can determine who you can develop a relationship with, but remember to set your boundaries.
2. Avoid creating enemies based on someone else's opinion: There are individuals who enjoy spreading negative rumors and banding together against others. Be cautious of such people, as they tend to approach new residents and feed them with false information.
3. Adhere to compound rules and pay your dues promptly: Ensure that you fulfill your financial obligations and comply with the rules of the compound. Make sure all outstanding payments are settled before you move in.
paxonel: i ain't no catholic, but atleast i have interacted with some professional cathecists back then while i was in school and i asked them the same questions you are asking.
Here is the thing. Bowing before figures and images among Catholics does not necessarily mean worship but it is a traditional thing of the ancient Roman empire. In a bid to show respect to figures or biblical characters they consider heronic, they traditionally bow before their images and monuments, just like the Yoruba tradition demands that the younger ones bows before their elders. In such case, the younger ones are not said to worship their elders but rather, they are showing signs of respect.
But spiritually,, in the real sense, what is worship in Christianity? How do we distinguish between mere bowing down before someone, figures or images from worship?
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Mark the phrase THE HOUR COMETH. It refers to the hour when Christ will die and resurrect. From that point the true worshippers begin to exist in contrast to those who worship during the old covenant. These true worshippers are believers.
So if Catholics have believed in Christ and they profess that Jesus is the Christ, then it is unfair to use their mere traditional practices of bowing and honoring monuments of faithful martyrs to judge them, seeing that tradition is already part of the people and there is nothing you can do to separate certain traditional practices from the people.
But what is fascinating is, most Catholics cannot explain what they do if you ask them. Because they are usually groomed to obey without asking questions
Thanks. Except the bible SPECIFICALLY says do not bow to graven images
MySolace: Wait, d sperm fluid u mentioned earlier was psychological or wot? Like, there was no actual sperm or contact?
Uncle stop confusing urself.
Go back to d post and have a second look at it.
Stop arguing nonsense. It is an established scientific FACT that a woman gets aclamated to her regular partner's semen. The below will help you understand better. Most animal traits start out biology based then become MOSTLY psycjological - just an instinct they have.. There are so many examples in the lower animals' world. Here's another example: men stay instinctually polygamous though the original biological need for it mo longer exists
Jman06: Available evidences point to the contrary oga.
Evidence number one is that women gain more in sexual relationships than men. She gains both sexual pleasure and financial rewards while men may gain only sexual pleasure and no financial rewards. In view of the above, it becomes obvious that the one who gains more (ie women) would want to have more sexual partners.
Evidence number two has to do with prostitutes. If you talk about those that are more likely to engage in casual sex without emotional attachments, then prostitutes should come first. If women of easy virture can sleep with multiple men in a day without getting emotionally involved with then, then it goes to show that women more than men have higher tendency to keep multiple sexual partners without being emotionally attached to them.
You are talking nonsense - like you were born yesterday!
People do all sorts of things for money. The discussion is what people are naturally inclined to do - without any circumstantial inducement!
Are most women prostitutes? Would most women want to be prostitutes if they had a choice??
Nsogbu001: I'm not a Roman Catholic but I really prefer Catholic church than Pentecostal churches because everything is well organized in the catholic church. The solemn system of Catholic is compare to none. When you visit any of the major seminaries like, Bigard memorial seminary, you will agree with me that Catholic church is very powerful and unique. I know we all worship the same God but the solemnity of Catholic church is top notch. Share your own experience. https://youtu.be/0FTihN188c
I see your point, but what do you say to people who say you worship Virgin Mary and Saints and bow to graven images and worship them?
MySolace: Uncle, we're on same Lane o... I believe men are easily aroused by new women... While women desire tested and trusted men.
My contention here is u mentioning sperm. So I ask, do women not desire men da sleep with dem wit protection (condoms) even wen dey satisfied dem so good??
Plz we're not arguing. But I would rather advise u to reason my angle properly before replying me next. Thanks for ur understanding
It's mostly PSYCHOLOGICAL! Just as you'd be put off by tall girls after a tall girl gives you a VD. So condom doesn't matter much - a girl would be more amenable to her regular partner than a stranger - condom or no condom!
KayyDee: @Daddycool, I think you totally missed the point he's making.
KEY POINTS TO NOTE: 1) Absolutely every bad/undesirable behavior is an outlier thing. Make no mistakes.
Hence, the line that "90% of men or whatever outrageous percentage of men are cheaters", is a humongous lie. Because, bad behaviours are always huge screamers.
2) Culture is ultra powerful. It literally determines if a seemingly outlier group expands or shrinks.
So, what culture/society ACCEPTS, SUPPORTS, PERMITS, or even TOLERATES, begins to grow and starts getting new followers.
3) There's a huge difference between INSTINCT and NATURE. Yes, sometimes in people's mind, the line between the two gets blurred, and that's why you hear "natural instinct" as a term.
NOW LET'S GO... Originally, and by nature, some humans are polygamous/promiscous. It's not necessarily a man's thing or a woman's thing. These people are generally outliers.
Now, immediately culture started eccepting and or tolerating men's promiscuity, it started looking more normal. More people (men) who already have that tendency starts getting into it. After all, if caught, the society (culture) will be more lenient and understanding towards him.
Then also, those who do not have that tendency already, but are not strong-willed enough, gets dragged or encouraged into it by their friends (who already bought into the societal/cultural leniency or normalization of the act for men)
Some others who do not even have a single bone of promiscuity, may join in just because they have an axe to grind with their wife, and because the society is less severe or even tolerant to him in that matter, he jumps into the fray too. These men who are obviously with this 'problem' of promiscuity, helps to fuel the "men are polygamous in nature" line.
Some women who are forced to accept that reality for their partners, or are already a victim, also spread the line.
So, the suggestion begins to take a life of its own, and the ranks of perpetrators and supporters keeps swelling, and interestingly, this keeps normalizing the bad act. ** Let me share a very germain example;
If you look around in western countries, there a lot of gays/lesbians these days. WHY? Simply because the culture there permits it, and hence empowers the growth and acceptance even further.
As at 30 years ago, I'm very sure you would agree that gay/homosexuality is so negligible (a major kind of outlier)
WHAT HAPPENED NOW? Although historically there have been few people who have homosexual tendencies, they were mostly hiding. But immediately the culture starts tolerating and accepting them as normal, more came out. Some of them started wooing and converting other people who are either not strong-willed enough to enforce the boundaries.. ...Or others who are otherwise normal, but just have an axe to grind with the opposite sex ...or those who are tired of the heartbreaks from the opposite sex. ...or those who are willing to experiment and mess around with new things (the 'adventurous') ** LET ME NOW COME TO INSTINCT. Instinct is a product of human judgement towards self-preservation and comfort.
YES, you are so right when you asserted that a woman will generally prefer to instead settle with a single man she's attracted to, as against many.
But that's mostly driven by an instinct developed over time. And this is based on culture and means. So, instinct is a pure example of reason and not 'emotion'
Because it does not generally favour a woman (especially a married woman) to be in multi relationships. Because that instinct it time-tested and time-validated, even without thinking much a woman knows that she has to tow that line. In fact, it starts looking like a second nature. But there's no proof anywhere that it's a nature-controlled affair.
But you really can't swear to what's going on in the mind of a woman when she sees another desirable man, maybe a very handsome man.
Indeed, every human, man or woman, married or single, from time to time meet people they strongly fancy being with.
What you now do with that 'fancying' is a function of instinct and not nature. Remember instinct is moderated and guided by culture/societal norms and tolerance (i.e. reality)
Because men have upper hand here, they are more likely to move forward and take the fancying to a next level.
A woman on the other hand, based on instinct of self preservation, will calculate the risks, and can immediately dismiss the thoughts, or dismiss it later if it was too strong for her to dismiss at the time. Some other factors I can't discuss here right now, can also permit her to move on and do something adventurous with the 'fancying'.
SUMMARY:. If it's all just nature, then a woman can't easily fancy any other man if she has a good/strong relationship already, nor catch any new feelings for anybody to begin with. Yet it happens, and quite a lot too.
Do you know why a woman could start flirting with you, or even start kissing then suddenly she catches herself and abruptly stops and mutters something like "I'm sorry I can't do this, I'm married"? SELF PRESERVATION.
Yes, because she could loose that marriage when caught... But a man will most likely not even be caught. And even if caught, he can easily still maintain his marriage. You know WHY? Yes, because many will advice the woman to remember that it's in nature of a man to cheat. And so, the man 'wins', and the woman continues with the marriage almost certainly. But she will not likely leave a marriage, because the odds of getting another marriage easily is not in her favour.
I mean, immediately society starts permitting or tolerating anything, or find excuse for it (like, "please manage your husband like that, you know men are polygamous in nature" OR "you know women always have foul mouth" or the likes), then it strengthens the whole problem and becomes a fuel to it rather than a solution.
YES, It takes time, but keep supporting and empowering any lie or any bad behaviour, after many decades, It starts looking and sounding like a truth; a norm, 'a nature'.
You started out with a faulty assumption - the assumption that polygamous tendency in men is a bad thing. When in fact the opposite is true. You then stated another falacy - that society is responsible for that polygamous tendency. When infact once again the opposite is true - society tries to eliminate that natural tendency through marriage and monogamy. It is real cheating of society to limit men of unusual attributes to just one woman. Ideally such men ought be made to have a lot of children by several women because that's what would drive society to new heights. If someone like Elon Musk were made to mate with a lot of equally highly intelligent women, who knows what type of genius one of the offsprings would be - maybe the person to find a cure for all diseases! Wanna know why most sports are dominated by blacks but NOT black Africans? See video below. Polygamous tendency in successful men and women's tendency to want to mate with those men are the ONLY things that make for selection of the best genes amongst humans! The screenshot below demonstrates an extreme case of polygamous tendency
Franklin31: It doesn't mean they are not attracted to other men when they are in a relationship. The patriarchy gives men advantage in marriage issues, that is why it seems that women are always satisfied with one man. The truth is that, as far as the patriarchal society is concerned, a woman cannot afford to abuse her marriage; the consequences are far greater than those of a man abusing his marriage. A rich woman who wants a sexual relationship that is not marriage (and she is the one who provides for the man) can easily get tired of the man and want a change.
The vast majority of women are totally quite content with an exclusive sexual relationship with ONE man they are attracted to, with no need whatsoever to occasionally be with other men. Not so with men. And it has almost nothing to do with patriarchy, but BIOLOGY!
Here's something I posted earlier
You talk naively. You totally forget BIOLOGY!! Men and women are biologically very different, and unbeknownst to them most of their basic inclinations are from that biology! The most basic primal urge of a living organism is the need to survive and to have their genes survive and passed on. We didn't make it so, we don't know why it is so - we met it so! For a man, the surest way to assure some of his genes survive and passed on is to spread his seeds into several women, not just one. On the other hand, a woman sleeping around has no such advantage. She can only conceive about once every two years no matter how many men she sleeps with! So her strategy to have some of her genes survive and passed on necessarily have to be very different!
MySolace: Uncle, d pics doesn't butress d scenario here.
Dat a guy gives out more sperm wen he meets new partner, or that sperm freak out vagina has nothing to do with issue at hand.
From d explanation, d females involved feels nothing about d implications of sleeping with new partner.
Let me explain myself using example; even wen much candy could be harmful to children, children feel nothing bad about wanting more of it... So, likely wit women, even wen multiple sperms can affect dia vaginal metabolism, dey likely don't feel/know d health implications.
U're rather talking about health implications of multiple sperms (partner) and not d sexual psychological habit of women.
The real discussion we're having is that a woman can desire u sexually as a man wen u must've satisfied her well. And not because of ur sperm. Sperm ke! So, wen u have a protected sex with a gal, she won't desire u, right? Since ur sperm has no contact with her vagina.
Dey play
It has everything to do with the issue at hand. It confirms what we already know: that men are NATURALLY inclined to be more sexually aroused by a new woman than a woman they've been with for a while. Which of course has the corollary that men would tend to be polygamous by nature. As to the female, if she tends to get infection with new partners, she obviously would tend to limit number of new sex partners she has. Stop arguing nonsense
advanceDNA: Conceding?? Are we in a competition.?? Na women also enjoy sex be my only point since morning?? U see why dialogue with u is weird.....Baba.... dey go abeg....
You are not only arguing out of point, you're also lying about it! I made the simple observation that due to the the different biologies it gave them, Nature has made it more beneficial to men to be polygamous, evolution-wise, than women. You jumped in with this statement verbatim, like someone loko: men are not sexually different from women.... u are just choosing to see what u like...!
advanceDNA: How does this change the fact that men and women love sex and love variety...?? Dialogue with you is very weird... u dialogue like u want to win something....
You are the one obviously weird and talking like you are loko. One minute you are arguing vociferously, next minute you are saying "yawn... I'm tired", instead of simply conceding the point! Dialogue should have a point. The point of this thread is NOT wether women enjoy sex, the question is, "in view of recent occurrences, are men polygamous by nature?" Your answer is, women also enjoy sex! Kolo!
Anonymoususher: Well I don't know about men being polygamous.
Maybe it depends on family. I grew up in one of the worse ghettos in Nigeria, worse in a face me I face you. Sex is cheap and easy to get but I think the key to me being reserved is my father.
That man carried his family on his head like say tomorrow no dey.
Growing up, I always saw him shuttle between work and house, doesn't drink or keep late nights. I never saw them fight, they didn't even flog any of us till this age.
I am 31yrs and still do not know what being flogged by parents means because the highest we got was punishment (go sleep, go inside, kneel down, raise hand) na my brothers, neighbors and teachers dey flog us then.
You are free to go out but you must tell someone where you are going to and must Be back before 6pm.
Till today, anywhere I am going, I send my fiancee a live location on whatsapp, I also still return home latest 8pm.
It is the same with my elder siblings. None of us drink, smoke or even live wild lifestyle
Congratulations. Very good. But we are talking men in general not just you. See above
advanceDNA: I am wrong?? because?? U are one of those pple that dialogue like u are out to win a non-existent trophy...........Guy.....u brought evolution into the topic..but u dont want to bring in what a specie/organism will do under need and pressure...?? How an organism behaves is partly based nature's wiring and mostly environmental factor.....but somehow u want to tell me how women will behave without considering existing environmental realities.. okay oooo
Mayb uve not thought about it....societal standards that slut shame women is what makes lots of women not behave like a slut.......... its what make women not approach men..... u think women dont want to fvck when they see cute men?? So all these young women with multiple guys are what?? Bingo??
Oga u know know wetin you dey talk....there is hardly a man that doesnt have a story of catching his babe with another man multiple time especially babes of age 18-28.....
Women only opt for one male...when they want to get older and want to married because society demands it so ......its the same society Standards that make men want to marry too even though can run around with plenty females for life.... men are not sexually different from women.... u are just choosing to see what u like...
This thread is about NATURAL wiring/inclination NOT circumstances. You talk naively. You totally forget BIOLOGY!! Men and women are biologically very different, and unbeknownst to them most of their basic inclinations are from that biology! The most basic primal urge of a living organism is the need to survive and to have their genes survive and passed on. We didn't make it so, we don't know why it is so - we met it so! For a man the surest way to assure some of his genes survive and passed on is to spread his seeds into several women, not just one. On the other hand, a woman sleeping around has no such advantage. She can only conceive about once every two years no matter how many men she sleeps with! So her strategy to have some of her genes survive and passed on necessarily have to be very different!
advanceDNA: ●.remember i mentioned brokeness and stinginess ...women dont like paying bills....nd thats one of their reason for being with and needing men.....give women tons of money so much that they wont need men to pay their bills and see them rubbish and kick men out of their life.....
■This is fallacy......look around u.....men are getting married every saturday when they could be with plenty women... .take it or leave it...society standards influences everyone at some point...the need to have kids, the nees to be safe, etc......my cousin that works with exxon got married few weeks back. With all his monthly earnings, nigga could afford plenty women..but still got married
■■Biological...?? Evolutionary..?? Lol...u are funny.....For starters...one of the basic need for evolution is survival....and women will gladly spread their legs every to survive...abi u nor dey see tht one too around you....and i m not talkimg about prostituteś..
Going with the biology u mentiined...sex is pleasure to the body and mind...and its naturally addictive becos we have hormones and our brain have receptors that keeps triggering us with the urge, weda u are a man or women.... ●●So take or leave it....humans love variety of everything...especially fun & pleasure ......its our nature....unless we train our brain/nature which is where discipline comes in.... without discipline men and women are practically the same... driven by impulses, desire, and survival
You are TOTALLY wrong on all counts: ● The discussion is how they are NATURALLY wired, NOT what they would do under lack or need. Women who won the lottery or inherited large sums don't keep a harem of boys unlike men
■ And men are also having side chicks everyday. Questin is, if there were no constraints would most men choose to be with only one woman? Notice how "side chick" isa popular term and there is no such popular term vis â vis women. High achieveming men sleeping around is what actually prompted the thread
■■ A woman conceives once every TWO YEARS or so, while a man can impregnate several women in ONE DAY!! A man guarantees some of his genes would survive by putting it in several women, not just one. A woman is by taking good care of the few she has, giving them good genes by sleeping with successful men, and getting a man to stay with her exclusively and take care of them with her! Nature also uses that scenario to ensure the best genes are pass on to the next generation.
●● Vast majority women don't want variety of sex partners. They want ONE man exclusiv
Well that is promiscuity and not polygamy, also wrong.
Why do you guys always claim polygamy after cheating? Why aren't you upfront from the beginning? You'd actually get more respect for being truthful.
That's not the discussion. The discussion is NOT wether polygamy is right or wrong. The discussion is wether nature made men polygamous (remember, people did not make themselves!). Nature could have made it so once a man sleeps with a woman he'd only have eyes for her. It did not!
1Sharon: Don't try and use semantics to win an argument. We all know what marriage is.
Polygamous means related to polygamy and its the adjective of polygamy.
Polygamy means marriage to more than one woman. No pluses or subtractions.
The term you are looking for is promiscuity and not polygamy.
Go and marry more than one woman first and come back and talk about how "polygamous by nature" you are.
You are woefully wrong. A moslem told me that in Islam you can't have sex with a woman you are not married to but it was perfectly ok to marry her just before the act and divorce her afterwards. You are also wrong - polygamy in the sense we are using it on this thread is tendency to want to bed more than one woman - and photos are posted to buttress that fact!
1Sharon: Polygamy isn't sleeping with multiple women while being in a relationship.
Polygamy is marrying more than one woman!
How do you define "marrying"? In some religions/societies you are married to a woman if you are having sex with her. We are NOT discussing polygamy. We are discussing POLYGAMOUS by nature - tendency towards more than one sex-mate if there were no constraints whatsoever
advanceDNA: The evidence is everywhere... women too like to fvck and explore plenty dícks just like men fvck around...... But their stingyness, brokeness, and inability to approach men makes them choose control over being rejected or seen as a LovePeddler... even the wife wey dey house pr babe wey una don fvck 100million times still forms she doesnt want sex
But just let the opportunity present itself... u will realize women are not different from men....many of them even want multiple dickś at the same time...
So let's do a thought experiment.
1) Would a young lady still want to get married and be tied to just one man if she had a bunch of willing guys available for sex any time she wants? Answer: a resounding YES!!!
2) Would a young man still want to get married and be tied to just one girl if he had a harem of girls available for sex any time he wants? Answer: a resounding NO!!
There is no biological nor evolutionary advantage to girl to have a bunch if guys using her "thing"!
Anonymoususher: Depends. I am in a relationship (not yet married) it's been 6yrs but have not seen pants of another girl despite fact that I and my partner are far apart and see just twice a year.
I think it all boils down to self control. I am good looking, I am tall, I have a car, I am trying in my earning, I live in a 2 bed apartment alone but I have never tasted another lady in 6yrs except my fiancee who visits during holidays and we make love to our full.
I have female friends, presently 5 are giving green lights. One even accused me of being a gay. But I don't mind. At least my babe knows how hard I go on her.
I have always been a one man one woman guy. What people describe as fun is disturbance to me. I don't drink, smoke, club or even take sex as a big deal.
Sometimes I feel tempted to taste another but after inviting them over, a day to the meeting I will just cancel it and they will. Feel bad.
I don't want to start what I cannot finish and also don't want to get the wrong person pregnant because I only want to marry and have kids with who I love. Hence I avoid laying with any other girl
Well the discussion is what you'd be inclined if there were no constraints whatsoever. You could be an outlier but experience has shown that most men would tend towards polygamy
lawani: Cheating is not the same thing as polygamy. Cheating is dishonesty. Both men and women cheat but men do it more.
But MrBrownJay1 is talking off point - and very agitatedly too. The discussion is whether men naturally tend towards polygamy not wether it is right or wrong!
Kobojunkie: I am afraid you are the only one competing with yourself. I am simply trying to grasp the rationale behind your various claims, including your attempt to connect polygamy to the idea of natural selection.
If you still don't see the connection after all the explanations, then you're a lost cause.
Let me spoonfeed you: If men had an inate desire to be with only one woman and that woman alone, then there'd be no way to select (NATURAL SELECTION!!) for the most admirable/adaptable/successful genes!