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Matthew 21:28-32 (King James Version)

28But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
29He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
30And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Interpretation

The first son represents all sinners who at some point in their lives repent of their sinful ways and turn to God in trust and obedience.
The second son represents all those who appear to be zealous on the surface, but at heart are quite disobedient. The vineyard is the church.

We seem to have a lot of the 2nd son type Christians on nairaland. Remember what Peter said when Christ told him

Be who u r, whatever you do as far as the relationship is concerned, its your shot. I will not try to convince you to stay or leave because the consequences of which you will bear alone.

Nairaland[quote author=Be who u r link=topic=428658.msg5906294#msg5906294 date=1271464476]One more thing Sia please leave Labake alone. She has been more of a friend to me than you imagine. You might hate her for telling me, but you forgot to tell the whole world that [size=18pt]you first discussed this thing with Labake privately and she advised you to not ask other people and believe in me[/size]. She said she warned you about this website that insults people continously without thinking and you still went ahead to test the waters. What where you expecting? [size=18pt]I appreciate heR more as a very good friend and seek her wise counsel these days.[/size] Stop harrassing her and coming to this website to pull her into a fight. We both dont need you in our lives anymore. Go and seek solace in your online xtian brothers while we appreciate our friendship more. I am done. Stop buzzing me or texting me please. I dont want anymore problems or insults. [size=18pt]We used to be closer than 5 & 6 but now i have realised and being bluntly told that we are like oil and water.[/size] We dont just mix and shouldnt mix. Am the evil one like your peeps say and you need to stay clear off me. I am doing you a massive favour. Let me spread my devilsh anti christ evil nature to people who would appreciate me as a person and human and not who i worship! What a waste of 4 bloody years! [/quote]Be who u r, if u can read the text highlighted in blue above it will give you cause for concern

1. You accuse sia of breaking what is regarded as the foundation of true friendship (i.e trust) she should not have come on the net. I totally agree. The friendship destroyed here is between you and sia. I might be wrong but I am assuming you new Labake through sia (something this important is bothering sia, she confides in her friend Labake - birds of identical plumage plum together).

2. Sia comes to NL and tells the world about your relationship, people say all manner of things, how did you get to find out from Labake. By this action, I think she is as guilty because your first loyalty should be to your friends (labake has broken the foundation of friendship between her and sia). Now what makes you feel that she will be any better.

If you decide to leave sia please do not have a relationship with Labake. If you decide to still be friends with Labake, dine with a long spoon
If you decide to stay with kia, you both should do without Labake beacuse the union will not last with her arround.

These might not be what you want to hear, but know that when history has the opportunity of repeating itself, it does it at a higher cost. I truely wish you the best of luck in your decision / life.

[quote author=~Lady~ link=topic=430053.msg5900345#msg5900345 date=1271377047]EXACTLY!!!!

I was going to post that.

People please do not commit the sin of presumption. I know you want to affirm yourself of this, but the best you can do is pray that God gives u the grace to profess Him in times of adversity.

That is my prayer.[/quote]After all, all the disciples told Christ that they would die for him before adversity struck

[quote author=dupsy_tosh link=topic=428658.msg5903702#msg5903702 date=1271434172]since u are so sure of wat u beliv in, y shuld wat sm faceless ppl say bother u.it wuldnt av gone 2 far if u had nt come here mentioning names,
dat was very immature of u nd uncalled 4. nd den u culdnt wait 2 spil your gut abt all u claimed u av done 4 her.nw who is washing d dirty linens
in d public.her love 4 u must av made her over-exaggerate hw perfect u are. all d girl did was ask 4 advise b4 she takes a very big decision.
dont u know dat marrying u will make her n outcast in her family? do u think datz an easy step 2 take? her parents av bin there 4 herlonger dan
u've bin, despite evrytn u claim 2 av done 4 her. tk it or leave it u can change anytm, cos humans change, atheist or no atheist, so who wuld
she run 2 if she has ostricized herself 4rm evry1 dat cares abt her all because of u.u r acting in complete contrast to wat she claims u r or is dis
d real u ? pls try nd think rationally if u r half d man she claims u r.[/quote]Now its the guys fault They have been dating for 4 years, he has been taking care of some of her and her family needs as an atheist(she did not need help to decide whether to accept his money / assistance) no problem (even when she knew from the first year that it was leading to marriage) she kept mute. 2 days ago he made a feeble attempt at proposing now she needed help to decide
It must definitely be the guys fault after all she were just fine before he came along, with her pastor boyfriend

Deep Sight:
Does it not count that it was anonymous?

Seemed like it was the guy who came and spilled their identities.

Even with the identities revealed, I still do not know these folks

Labake knew it was her from the nick name used and sent it to him. Consequently other friends of their already knew who they were See below

[quote author=Be who u r=topic=428658.]I dont believe this Fantasia. I dont believe this. When labake told me this morning that you went to a public forum to diss me, i didnt want to believe it because i was so sure you wont do anything this incomprehendable. She sent me the link to this site and i couldn't picture it had anything to do with me until i saw the nick name you used and the issue of the surgery before i knew it was truely you. After all we have been through and the promises we made not to involve third parties in what we do or say, you still went online to bring our whole lives to the world and to make matters worse for no reason i have been called unprintable names from being a devil to an antichrist to an occultist and that i would destroy your future and so forth and on.[/quote]

wirinet:
jennykadry, it is either you are truly 5 minutes from Yaba left or you are too young to understand the facts of life.

If you noticed, there is a marked difference between the physiological, psychological and emotional man and woman. What might be very important to a woman might be trivial to a man and vice - versa. For example while i do not care much for ceremonies and celebrations and have a hard time remembering important dates. To my wife, birthdays, anniversaries, celebrations are very important. I had to beg for one week for forgetting our last wedding anniversary due to some stress i was passing through then.

Now spewing your love live on the internet might not mean much to you, it means a whole lot to most guys. The guy is probably getting innovative on how he is going to propose to his girlfriend, most probably me had not told any soul yet, and Bam, the story is all over the internet. That alone can make any man an emotional wreck.

What we are talking here is Marriage, our sister should have first had a real heart to heart talk privately with her man, before informing any other person of her concerns. And if they cannot reach a common ground, they should have parted ways quietly. But if they were able to reach a common ground, or have very little points of conflict, then they should have involved both families. That is how things are supposed to be done.

Besides, what kinds of advise does she expect from anonymous internet users, most of whom have an ax to grind with other on religious grounds.

[b]If my wife should attempt such a stunt, i will call a family meeting and print out all 11 pages of the thread and give it to her parents ( i will probably hide it from my parents, because they would definitely over react). [/b]But i will issue here a stern warning never to wash our dirty coal pot in the open internet.

My sister, when you eventually get married or are about to marry, never attempt such a stunt.

I could not agree more, but the highligted comments certainly took the wind of the sail

nopuqeater:
This is the reason I simply pore out my heart to the christian woman, to ditch Christianity and work hard to bring herself and her lover, a matter of the heart to Islam. Unlik you, a hypocrite, I speak my mind and dont hide my thoght.

Equality in both sexes in Islam is only restricted to faith in Islam

[Sura 2:282] O you who believe, when you transact a loan for any period, , Two men shall serve as witnesses; if not two men, then a man and two women whose testimony is acceptable to all. Thus, ,
One man equivalent to 2 women

[Sura 4:11] GOD decrees a will for the benefit of your children; the male gets twice the share of the female*,
the male gets twice the share of the female

[Sura 5:6] O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.
Women a pollutant

[Sura 45:51 - 57]
51. As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security,
52. Among Gardens and Springs;
53. Dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other;
54. So;
and We shall Join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes.
55. There can they call for every kind of fruit in peace and security;
56. Nor will they there taste Death, except the first Death; and He will preserve them from the
Penalty of the Blazing Fire
57. As a Bounty from thy Lord!

Conclusively I guess that refers to the righteous men. if I may ask, what in Islam will be the reward for a faithful woman?

nopuqeater:
Contrary to what they project, internally, in their hearts, atheists behave like humans. The boyfriend cant hide his Nigerian cultural underpinnings; as a man, head of the future household disregarding all the "house playing that is still going on", he is "predicting the future discourses of verbal disagreement, bringing up the issue, over and over, again". This guy is killing their relationship before it becomes a reality, my reason for inviting the two of you to Islam, where you will find "wholesale forgiveness" and a perfect example of man/woman relationship since the Prophet was married and marriage is commanded on man and woman.
What a pair.

I dont get this, are they not humans, why the bahave "like human beings"

To help rephrase your other coment above, and a perfect example of man/4 x woman relationship since the Prophet was married and marriage is commanded on man and woman.
What a pair pentagon Sura 4:3.

nopuqeater:
@Toba: First, a 30 year old Muslim woman will not be shacking up with a disbeliever in God's existence boyfriend and she unashamedly be telling the whole CYBER world about it. There is something call hiding what is shameful in Islam, and shame is something that people should have. Tell me how she has done that here

If you keep hiding it how can you be corrected

nopuqeater:
and the boyfriend will not for the most part be happy about it, if his 30 years old woman folk is living with a man who is not her husband. Remember there is no commitment. Common law relationship means nothing to nigerian courts. I know I will be pretty upset if a female in my bloodline is living with a man, boyfriend she is not married to.

Please I missed the part that said these people were living together
Why do we always like to jump the gun

jumie:
@ Sia Fuller & Be Who You Are,

What is going on? We need an end to this story!!!

What end are you expecting, they lived happily ever after

I think thats to kind of raise the bar higher
That way you eliminate the unserious guys, while those that are bold enough to go on then have to be offering higher than the engagement ring

wirinet:
How many times did peter deny "the real Jesus" that  he followed for years?
how many of the 12 disciples came out to defend Jesus or even identify with him, when he was tried and put to death.
So my hypocritical Nigerians should shut up. They will even deny Jesus if someone brings them a better offer, that that offered by Jesus's preachers, not to talk of being at gun point.

I do not think we should tie the human fear of death to religion.
Someone might say that Muslims kill themselves for their religion (jihadist), but in the same vain there are a lot of them who will not. That Peter was the only one that followed when Christ was being carried for Crucifixion does not mean that all Christians will fail when put to the test. St Steven in the acts of the apostle was stoned to death for his faith in GOD. The 3 Hebrew boys Shadrack, Meshach and Abednego chose to die rather than bow down for King Nebuchadnezzar's huge gold idol. We could go on and on

Definitions of hate on the Web:

* dislike intensely; feel antipathy or aversion towards;

Definitions of aversion on the Web:

* antipathy: a feeling of intense dislike
* the act of turning yourself (or your gaze) away; "averting her gaze meant that she was angry"

Is it just me? because I cant see the difference between the 2 words

Stop chatting with him, your husband is telling you this because there is no smoke witout fire

An experienced woman would be better suited at withstanding the turbulence in marriage. I have been there, seen it and done that, the harder these temptations come the harder they fall.

There is no yard stick to compare someone who just driving a month ago to someone who has driven for ten years

sweet9ja:
You must be a big fool not to marry this guy.

sweet9ja:
@poster this is your life, noone elses. if you truly love him then good for you. make a life with him. your family and friends ca bit/ch and moan all they want but in the end you are the one in the relationship not them. stand up on your own two feet and do waht you feel is right for you not what is right for everyone else. you comprimise now, you will end up doing it for the rest of your life.


@agathamari, I agree completely with you.

I cant believe this in 20 minutes

Sia Fuller:
I dont even know what to do again. Something so harmless as a post to ask for a personal advise in respect of an issue i was trying to clarify has turned into a nightmare for me. Since yesterday i have been calling him he is not answering. My Parents have heard through my brother and while i was expecting them to be elated, they have kept an uneasy silence. My brother has been accusing me of trying to poision his future since my boyfriend assisted him with his NYSC runs and am in the middle of all these things that i cant even lay my finger on what i have done and i have been trying to make him know i meant no harm humilating him in public. Worst still i went to his house this morning and he instructed the Mallam not to allow me access. He sent me a text stating since i have told the world he is an atheist, he will be better off mingling with his fellow atheists than for him to be subjected to such condemnations publicly when we both agreed to keep things private. Am a total wreck since yesterday and am gradually losing my mind.

If he is reading this or if any one can help connect with him to tell him that it was not intended the way he is seeing it. I have never seen him so upset like this before and worse things have happened that he hasn't even remotely acted like this. I really don't know what to do again and what triggered him to be so angry and upset ! i didn't wake up 2 days ago planning to destroy our future but i was looking for a way to strengthen it but it has turned into a total reversal. Where do i start from. The Devil really knows how to worm his way into people's heart. I have never posted on Nairaland and against my better judgement i decided to do it rather it leading into a crisis of immense proportion. Nobody would understand what he has done for me over the years and i never expected people to criticize him the way they did thats why i asked for mature comments not insults. What do i do now.

Your man will come back to you he is really heart broken now and needs some space but it will take a little time (it will not be 1 or 2 hours like you were used to). Continue to reach out to him through what ever means you can

I actually share the trait of not getting angry very easily with him and it tends to astound people. Women more often than not now take this for granted almost as if taunting people like us. The only problem is that when we truly get angry it is often caused by the slightest issues (built up issues which severally causes him to go for 1 or 2 hours to clear his head accumulates).

InesQor:
In fact by showing up guns blazing, he has revealed MORE INFO about himself including names and even implicated a third-party. Betrayal my pinkie finger.  

I thought we were talking about a human being with emotions whose feelings have been hurt. If her parents feel so bad about the relationship, should he be hearing it now after 4 years on the internet because he sure sounded surprised and the most he could think of was to call the girls brother!!!

They had an agreement that there will be no third party interference in navigating their relationship

Iranoladun:
@ Mad Max I like your sincere and forthright reply about the post and Christianity; it's a master piece.  Most of your thots are in sic with mine.

True

Iranoladun:
@Poster Nairaland has made you discover the other side of your boyfriend that you did not know.  How will you handle it? If he's not picking your calls why don't you pay him a visit? Send him a private mail. stop washing all your dirty linen in public.

I dont get this other side that some of you keep mentioning. Is it that he can actually get angry when trust has been betrayed

Iranoladun:
@boyfriend or be who yu r  If you think your girlfriend Sia goofed you also did not handled the issue like a man.  You provided so many personal side to Sia story that we did not know before (very childish).  However, this STRANGERLAND and your secret are safe except for Labake.  About Labake, do you think she has your interest at heart fro referring you to this thread? think again!  Call Sia and sort things out in private. Comments on nairaland should not be the deciding factor of your Union IF TRULY YOU LOVE SIA.

The idea was to give the total story so people can judge / take sides. Have you observed that the rate of post / replies have droped droppedthen.
Why because she told us her own truth which was half the truth and trust people now they wanted to eat the guy raw. Stoning him with any verse from the bible they could draw.
Now people have heard his side, every one has entered the house. Some now say he did not handle it like a man. That they should go and discuss in private.

[size=18pt]When we all first saw the post, why did we not advise the poster to go in private and sort things out with her boyfriend[/size]

Krayola:
I'll rather rot in "hell" than spend "eternity" with una . . .

Na wah for you oh!!!

mikelangs:
[s]They truth of the matter is that only a fool who says there is no GOD!!! [/s] The truth is that GOD exist!!! your guy may be very wonerful, faultless, caring etc. well cos that what every laies want. [s]But to think of it eeply, marriage is not a childs play where chukky an his bride play hanky panky[/s]. 4rm all u have said about this guy tells me he is actually wonerful but when he decies to hate anything Godly, then all his traits, goodness, faultless perfect etc is extremely an absolutely useless. on't be suprise when u get into his worl totally, u will hate the ay u were born becasue the bible say what has darkness got in common with light. Even sinner acknowlege that The is a an Almighty God, believe me u need not to be carrie away with the goo thing of the flesh, ask God almighty to direct your thots an your heart. Nothing god come easy, an when u grab a man who is so nice to a fault, there is a big problem u are yet to discover in him. Don't let the wrath of God fall on you if you urself truly believ that Go exists.
My frien wake up. Put the guy in pray and see if Go that u truly believ exist will not intervene in the matter 4u. Another is sure a marriage that oes not go with the blessing of the parent ens up in problem it may not happen immediately but its something God has settled here on earth and in Heaven, am out

It really baffles me why we cannot pass comments witout insulting others

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adconline:
The way folks dont get it. You accepted an atheist money to fund your family and education, now he's a monster even though you had dated a pastor who nearly crashed your life. tasting both lives has done it for you. dumping and leaving you in penury might do it.

[quote author=Be who u r link=topic=428658.msg5877339#msg5877339 date=1271083452]Why are you calling me a monster? Do you know me? What does Atheist money mean? Why the labels and tags. Men Fantasia i will never forgive you for this. Just last night we were laughing so hard on the phone planning our future and not knowing you were trying to set be ablaze in public with people castigating for no reason. All of a sudden am a Monster to you by your friends. Gosh i am totally distraught at work now. I hope i dont get laid off or get a query

@Be who u r
adconline was actually talking in you favour. Saying that You ( your Girlfriend) accepted an atheist money to fund your(her) family and education, now he's ( she sees you as) a monster even though you(she) had dated a pastor who nearly crashed your(her) life. tasting both lives has done it for you(her). dumping and leaving you(her) in penury might do it.

You might need to take it easy cos you are under a lot of tension right now. Sleep over the issue it will do you a lot of good.

estrella:
The problem with most ladies christian or not is their I can change him syndrome. I'm sure along the way,you thought you could influence him with your faith and so far you haven't. I watched my mother suffer a marriage where her husband wasn't born again for over 18 years,she prayed and cried every night and when we were old enough,she would gather us round the table to pray for our dad every day.He eventually became born again,but the point is she could have saved us and herself the stress if she didn't marry him knowing his state, I believe it is the mercy of God upon you that has propelled your man to show you his true nature in the first place.Most men would pretend and reveal their true selves once you get hitched to them.You need to ask yourself what kind of home you want to have and what kind of man you want raising your kids, you made a mistake by not seeking God when your chap was asking you out at first;that way,you would have heard God clearly about whether to go out with him or not.As it is now,your clear judgment  is clouded by your feelings for this man and hearing God on the matte my be hard.Regardless,the word that gives your spirit life and quickens your mortal bodies says, do not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever.You need to make a decision about what you want.

Your mum might have suffered for 18 years not because your dad was an unbelievers, but his nature. We have seen lots of happy marriages made up of men and women that you would call unbelievers devoid of the stress you had mentioned.

More so if your mum had not married your dad you will not have existed, cos it takes that union to form you (23 x 2 chromosomes)

I thought instead of your, the kids will be OUR

estrella:
Do you want to choose  man who may cause you pain and misery in your matrimonial home or will you choose God? Which is more important? your eternal heritage or your short life on earth? Remember,any decision you make is you sewing to the spirit or the flesh.if you sow to the spirit,you get life and if you sew to the flesh,you die,

By the way? 30 isn't old!!  Hold out for the man God has for you.Don't settle for second best! May he guide you way and help you make the right choice.

I expected you to ask her as in our lords prayer to ask for GODs will in her life, and not for her man to come

adconline:
Naija mentality always linking religiosity with impeccable charcater. Nigeria is a control of experiment of how religion helps in making a country great. The result is that Nigeria is an evil country, [s]so folks who are religious should not say that they are more holier than non-religious folks[/s]so folks who claim to be religious should not say that they are more holier than others. Soyinka VS Obasanjo?

Supported

jennykadry:
What are you doing chatting with an "invisible face" online? are you for real?

That's how our traditional priest communicated with our ancestors (years gone by)

parislomo:
Without trying to sound like a broken record on this issue, I would like to ask if THIS POSTER IS A CHRISTIAN?
Cos if you are a Christian and people can infer you have been sleeping with your guy (fornication), then your guy must be right to label Christians as hypocrites.
Now OP, why won't he call Christians hypocrites if he's hanging around one??!!
Reading through your post, I've come to conclude you are already biased.
All your remarks about Christianity are so unbecoming of someone who professes to be one.
Asides the fact that, you are both UNEQUALLY yoked, have you for a lil min looked at the big picture?? Your kids and your later years?? No, I didn't think so!!
And your guy isn't just an atheist, he doesn't LOVE what you believe in! The basis of your existence if you were truly a Christian. You can't come home excited to share things you learnt/heard from church or any gathering of Christians with your spouse! Why?? Cos you would be upsetting the perfect man for you!! gosh!!!!

He that is without sin let him cast the first stone. This fornication issue is being taken over the edge. Do a head count of professed christians that have done it and you would really be amazed

People born in the south by default will become christians, those in the north by default muslims. How many of us actually had a hand in the decision of where we would be born

The kids here will do just fine having to decide from 2 diverse opinions. They should be able to match the daily life's of each parent against what they preach and then choose

Stanfordx:
@poster,How on earth do u intend to marry a devil as a husband.The fear of GOD is the beginning of wisdom.Devil himself quote bible correctly.i hop u will not regret these in future.Anyman that can not be change by a girl he claims to love can not be change again.If truly he loves u then change him,i believe is only u who can change him.I was bad as devil but when i met this girl she change me automatically.Be wise!.

Sorry o if I may ask the bible contains GODs word ( the truth) how can the devil quote it correctly to forster evil

Does it literally mean that the lady's chosen religious path is always correct

@poster
If I were your husband and when I approach you quickly minimize the page, I will suspect you.
If you are sure there is nothing but forex, for the next one month, when you are on line with your forex teacher, call your husband to be by you when chatting, without letting your teacher know. that way you will build confidence in your husband about your dealings.
If you can not SINCERELY do this, the stop all contacts with your FOREX whizkid