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swtchicgurl: I'm a little concerned with the bolded part. I understand what you mean, but I want to you know that when it comes to the Bible and spirituality, 'logic' and 'common sense' can be defied.

Just for my learning, did any of Jesus parables defy Logic or common sense? Highlight one pls

"Jesus is the testator of the new testament. All His words when he came in the flesh, Full of grace and truth is the testament, life, wholesome. Jesus is the Word of God in the flesh...His messages apply to all men"

Are u saying in essence that we're to do all what Jesus said, in ur words 'his messages apply to all men'?
Gal 4:4 clearly states that Jesus was born under the law, meaning he did things under the law abi? Or what do we say to this, does it refer to all men too- Matt 23:1-3 .....the pharisees are the authorized interpreters of the law.. We should do everythign they tell us do (I'm having a vivid imagination of some of those things and I tell u they're not pleasant)

I researched who divided the Bible into old and new testaments and discovered it was Constantine. Since this write up is not about the person who divided it, I'll leave it at that. Since my life as a christian is guided by the words, works and teachings of Jesus, the relevance of this discovery is enormous to me. I need to be able to differentiate between the things Jesus said to the Israelites he was under the law with and the things he said to us that are under a completely different covenant...

Growing up, I did things my parents told me to do (most of the things actually) not out of understanding but because I had to obey my parents. Looking back as an adult Christian now, I realize most of those things weren’t even biblical, some of them don’t make sense either (e.g standing on mortar will reduce my height, whistling in the night attracts snakes etc). You will agree with me that in this generation, you can’t just tell a teen not to engage in sex without explaining to the teen the dangers inherent in premarital sex etc. A couple of months back, I decided to differentiate between human doctrine and God’s doctrine, between scriptures that are only meant for reproof and those that are meant for doctrine (2 Tim 3:16), not just for myself but also for my children and my generation. I did it prayerfully.
My quest lead to discoveries, series of them I tell you. Pls read without bias, and don't try to replace logic, sense, with spirituality, instead, expantiate the sense it makes spiritually. Help me bring this first stage of my discovery to conclusion.
Hebrews 9:16 In the case of a will it is necessary to prove that the person who made it has died, 17 for a will means nothing while the person who made it is alive; it goes into effect only after his death. 18 That is why even the first covenant[t] went into effect only with the use of blood. (Gal 4:4). Since the death of Christ and the shedding of his blood were the seals of the new covenant (or testament as some versions will have it) why did the new testament start from Matthew instead of Acts?

Efemena_xy: Yes, Modern day society.

We aren't in the Stone Ages where the man goes out to hunt wild animals and gather fruits from fallen trees, while the women remain behind in the caves birthing and tending to the kids.

We aren't Neanderthals either where a man beats a woman over the head with a blunt club and drags her into the cave for s/e/x.

We are in a society where it's not uncommon to find both parents working and slaving away, just to ensure they provide the basic necessities of life (food, clothing and shelter) for their kids. It's not uncommon to find women who work from the crack of dawn till dusk, be it high flying office executives or your petty trader / farmer in the market. They all work.

So how then can you justify the actions of a man whose unwilling to partake in household chores? Why should he sit on his fat ar$e waiting to be served hand and foot while the woman close to exhaustion is also expected to tend to the kids solely? Is that your definition of fairness?

And what's with the silly example you've given of a child waking up in the morning to slap his / her parents? Are you for real? Are you even mature? 'Cos you don't sound so, from what you've written up there. The thread you've created asks a question. A valid question at that: Whose more responsible for the Child? And you've been told both parents! And as per the bolded stuff, you have unruly children in households where the mum is a full time mum, part-time worker or even a full time worker.

Go back, have a rethink and come back here with better examples to support a logical argument, if you can.

I'm using my phone, can't seem to find my way around highlighting. I laid a foundation, please go back to it, I'm not out to blame anybody or to justify anyones lazy actions, I'm out to wake parents up (not single ladies, who live on fantasies and base their judgments on what they see on tv), parents like me that are disturbed about the spate of moral decadence in the society which ultimately starts from the family. Having said that, what u said about maturity was very childish, no need derailing the thread. Haven't you heard of children beating up their parents, go to marriage counselling sections, u'll hear married people speak about things of less importance. The husband is complaining that the wife is not putting enough meat in the soup, the wife is complaining that she does all the chores alone etc and pls, get me right, I am not saying these things don't count, I'm saying we've allowed them take over matters of importance, especially child raising!

Efemena_xy: And what's that supposed to mean? In a modern day society?

Modern day society; your son can wake up in the morning and give u a good slap if u push him too far, he can spend hours on the internet on rubbish, his grades are degrading and all the parents can say is that it'll get better. And in all of these, what most mothers concern themselves about is who does what in the house regarding chores etc, and I tell you my dear, those are less important matters!

maran1983: You agree with discipline but do not agree with assisting? How typical.

pls get my argument on 'assisting' right, it's very good and essential (it's not bragging, ask my wife, she'll tell you) but we should not let it overshadow weightier matters!

maran1983: Dami Paul you talked about parenting didnt you? Incase you do not know changing diapers and bathing children are part of parenting.
You read what i wrote on discipline but conviniently kept quiet about that because it suits your ego! How sad

lol. I apologise please, I assumed you understood I agreed with the other points you raised that's why I didn't mention them.

Joanna Sedley: The maid.

In nigeria today, where both parent struggles to meet societal expectations; then the maid is responsible in most cases.

That's the reality, and the annoying part is that we men, even with our tight schedule still create time for clubbing and watching the premier league and our wives, enough time for gossip and Africa Magic

maran1983: I agree with Efemena's response to an extent.
Dami Paul, parenting definitely goes beyond living in a good house etc. I belive it is the duty of both parents to bring up the child/ren, e.g when a child is being disciplined by either the mother or father the other party should trust that it is being done for the child's good and not question the correction except of course it is too harsh, even at that, it should not be done in the presence of the child.
Both parents also need to realise that there is no chore for the child that is solely the responsibility of a particular parent. Eg, it should not solely be the mother's responsibility to make sure the child has his bath on time or changes his/her diapers when soiled; but how many Nigerian men living in Nigeria can honestly say they know how to change diapers? Very sad!

I know I might get lashed for this but I have to say it; Our Waec results are getting worse, our children can't sit and read for an hour etc the major cause is this copy cat attitude. That the white help their wives change diapers, that they help them cook, (let me also add that they can't beat their children) etc doesn't mean that you must pressure your husband into doing same for you. If your husband does them, lucky you, if he doesn't, it shouldn't change anything. You may ask how the above argument affects our children, in such homes, the parents carry unnecessary burdens, they live the more important things for the less etc

Maria-G:
by priorities, you mean? Who should discipline the child more or whose sole duty to discipline the child?

No. I'm saying it's not about fancy houses without morals, it's not about the good English without respect, it's more than going to church or mosque, it's more about the fear of God etc And it takes the person with direction to do these...

Maria-G:
Children are responsibilities of both parents...exception comes in the case of single parent...its as simple as that.

and I don't disagree. We just need to set our priorities straight

Efemena_xy: Both parents are equally responsible for the child. It's a shared responsibility.

Having said that, you might add that at the very beginning, i.e when the child is born - the mother should have a more hands on approach as she is responsible for nurturing the baby, especially if she's breastfeeding exclusively.

Nevertheless, the dad can and should help out too. You know, like helping to change his baby's nappy, run a bath for him / her and help with the night feeds / watch night duties a.k.a "Awoko" runs

thanks for the humor

Let's face it who's more responsible for the child, is it the mother or the father. This is not to bring confusion or separation in anyway, or to blame anybody it's intended to wake the two parent head up to their responsibilities (maybe just the father). I'd like to take some examples from the Bible as basics. We all know Eli the priest; his children raped ladies in the temple, they committed atrocities that could only have been committed by children birthed by 'animals' or the devil himself (pls pardon my strong words). When God would pass judgment, he blamed Eli, God said he knew about the sins they were committing and that he did nothing about them (1 Sam 3:13). Samuel, a prophet raised in God's temple, with minimal interference from the world; consider his children, were they any better? No! God may not have passed judgment on him or his children, but a 'success' without 'succession' is a big failure, so, yes, Samuel failed in that regard too. I'm not preaching, just trying to explain the basis of my conclusion. Look at Jonadab, the Rechabites ( Jeremiah 35:1-, God sent Jeremiah to his house to bring his children to the temple. Jeremiah brought them, set drinks (wine) before them but they upheld their father's counsel to that of a prophet, in the class of Jeremiah! Wonderful! Please read the above passage for better understanding
This is my submission, the father is not just the head of the house in finances, his interest shouldn't just be to provide the best school for his children, buy good cars, live in a good house etc. One of his major roles, is to discipline the child, teach him life principles. And more importantly, to live, practice what he teaches. The man is responsible for all the chaos caused by the children. The armed robbers on the streets, the assassins, the prostitutes etc, blame the man! Like I said earlier, I didn't spend my time on this for blame games (maybe I did) but for us to wake up to our responsibilities! Contrary opinions, supports are highly welcomed. (Follow @dami_paul for more)

Why waste ur money and energy, throw the mtn sim away and go get a glo sim, changed mine since they stole my credit over a month ago. Bloody thieves!!!

Shakara123: I used to use MTN until I realised how greedy they are. Why should I pay more for less? I have being using glo's Comonth for a while now and no issues at all. I get a whooping 3G of data download unlike the mtn's 200mb!

Post it to mine too pls dami_paul@yahoo.com. This is why I love Nairaland, intersting thread.

gabon: @murphy02, post your mail address and I will send you details

This headline is misleading! He was charged with this the same time he was charged with the 40Billion loan.

This thread's really nice

Let's at least give the members some credit. Let's not deceive ourselves, most of us here will do worse if we were in their shoes, besides, Nigerians should also give credit to Dimeji Bankole for not allowing GEJ have his way in the house of Reps, imagine if the speaker were Mulikat, GEJ and his cohorts would have syphoned this country dry. Moreso, what the members just did, like someone rightly pointed out, is to send a signal to GEJ that if the subsidy is not included, they're not passing the budget! Let the drama begin

mmmh, , I can't tell u if u'r right or wrong. Morally speaking, u should've paid ur 13000 tithe and pay the 7000 as ur donation to the programme, instead of giving an impression that you've contributed 20000 for the program

Ijogz K:
I think the best way to get a hot topic and a lively thread on N/L now is to diss the church,  

True worship is the most important thing in life

I must commend the comments of some on this thread, especially Joagbaje, thanks for ur time and intellect. Poster, i'm particularly glad about one thing in your circumstance, you have a mind of your own, you know when a message is not biblical and when it's to the preacher's personal interest, though that can only be properly done when a mind is engulfed  in God's word, when the individual as studied and shown himself approved unto God, my advice is that you look out for a better church. Be serious with it, give it the same tenacity you'll give a job hunt, it's that serious if not more.
One other thing, know that these preachers are mortals like you, they are error prone, i'll advice you don't look too much into their private lives, you might open a can of worms.
Besides, you also have a responsibility to pray for them. I hope my comments helped a little. cheers

Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 2Corin 6:14,15. What those churches did was very wrong.

oluwadamilareofiarabaledaotamilebi- 34 letters

can't wait to hear what FIFA would say when we beat Argentina! We tend to forget that Argentina doesn't play like a team at all, i won't take away the fact that there side is star studded, that not withstanding, beating them is not impossible

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bettymafy:
^^^^^ u need to have your head checked!!! U want to get married as an undergraduate ; a 'man' for that matter and let your wife feed, clothe and house u for sometime abi? If na me, i go put otapiapia for your food on the wedding night, Ewu meeeh,

LMFAO

you are already laying a shaky foundation with these reasons of yours. you do not 'want' to marry based on these reasons alone. Anyway, everything starts with a decision, U need to Pray abt it.

56000. atlast!