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Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul:
MrMontella:
Like Wisdom teeth in humans


pelvic bones in snakes



limbs in whales


eyes of cavefishes





etc cheesy
Did you know that in the 1900s there were about 180 assumed vestigial organs before the number began being trimmed down when they discovered their functions? Now we have just 5 and even those 5 are still being trimmed down because the Appendix and the coccyx are almost as good as out of that list of 5.

There is no absolute empirical data backing up atavism...merely assumptions and speculations. If the evolutionary link between mans ancestors and man are still speculative then where did the fact that the tail bone being a vestigial organ come from?

Can you show me this empirical truthful link data?


https://creation.com/images/journal_of_creation/vol14/v14n2_vestigial_structures.gif


cc seun
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 11:04am On Dec 14, 2016
MrMontella:
the bolded is highly wrong and a misunderstanding of the experiment itself...

I'd advise you read the article published by the researchers themselves to see how wrong you are and how information was accumulated over generations with mutations
www.myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/citrate2008/index.html



I dont understand what you mean by information ''cant'' be added..

See..if this --- ATGCATGCGTA is a genome sequence...
And GTA is a stop codon...
If during replication...a mutation occurs on the stop codon and the stop codon is not intolerant to mutation...
E.g ATGCATGC''GTA''--replicates to ATGCATGC''GCA''...The mutation is GTA to GCA...if GCA happens to be a viable amino acid...the new genome sequence would be a different allele which means new information has been added..
Or has it not?
Read up :https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frameshift_mutation



on the molecule to man...
Speciation has been observed....

Atavism and vestigial organs are proof of some form of common ancestors..

All these baseless claims sef huh
Can you list out these vestigial organs?
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:36am On Dec 14, 2016
4kings:
BTW 4evergod you've not answered my question.
Is Progressive Creationism to be considered a "Valid Theory", why or why not?
Damogul you can help him out. smiley
4everGod can answer his own questions but i will tell you this. Intelligent Design aka progressive creationism is not a theory. Those who see it as one do so myopically. I see it as truth.

There are always 2 sides to an opinion and mine is declared above.

Perhaps i would have a thread deal with the truth about intelligent design later then we can do a comparison alright? This is not a thread for that.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:31am On Dec 14, 2016
Seun i cannot count the number of times you have banned me at the drop of a hat with the excuse that i made comments not related to the OP. Which is Rule 1.

Seun Seun Seun!
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:29am On Dec 14, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Logical fallacy , argumentum ad lapidem , dismissing an argument as absurd without giving proof of its absurdity .

1.Where is the proof the OP is baseless

2.Where is the proof the OP is unformed

3.Show the OP that he has wrong understanding of various things
That is what a rebuttal should look like and not "some" opinion off the top of his head.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:28am On Dec 14, 2016
MrPresident1:
I am replying mentions only grin
I know but please stop. Its causing a ripple effect.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:26am On Dec 14, 2016
MrMontella:
my opinions?
I cited a lot of documents there sire...
Not entirely my opinion..but the opinion of well informed scientists...


But nevertheless..your claims are baseless...

what delusion are you talking about?
Delusion is when you stylishly input evolution as ''progressive creationism''
the Op is baseless...uninformed and with wrong understandings of various things..
So if the well informed scientists have declared their opinion first before yours then your opinion is what it is ...your opinion! And it does not in any way refute the Opinion of those well informed scientists whom you already hailed.]

Your opinion is painfully baseless.

I am sure if it was your article it would be extremely acceptable right?
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:16am On Dec 14, 2016
MrPresident1 and the others pls stop derailing this thread. This thread is not about Atheism
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:14am On Dec 14, 2016
MrMontella:
lol...
They've been crying about the article..
Now the article has been adressed...they are still crying! grin grin
Who addressed the article? You gave an opinion which is entirely yours. I suppose the others who said something contrary and 4kings who learned something new from it saw something you did not see

Or do you see yourself as the litmus test for the article?
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:12am On Dec 14, 2016
There are those here who say they know nothing about evolution and have never been in defence of evolution so why then do they wish to derail a thread about evolution with their ignorance and diversionary tactics to areas they hold PHDs in mockery?

Seun you know your rules.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:07am On Dec 14, 2016
randomperson:
Even in the same church, people can't agree on what the bible actually says and they all claim to have the holy spirit
Please if you wish to discuss the holy spirit why not open a different thread and stop derailing this one.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:04am On Dec 14, 2016
Seun caution your people AGAINST trying to derail this thread.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 7:09am On Dec 14, 2016
jonbellion:
loooooooooooooool
Lmaorotfllwkmd
"God Particle" neither counts as proof nor disproof of the existence of God.
I already know this. Just miffed at their choice of a tag
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 12:04am On Dec 14, 2016
jonbellion:
creationists are fond of quote mining to suit thier pseudoscience
They did the same for Stephen hawking when he talked about knowing the mind of God
You should see what they say about the Higgs boson aka the"god" particle
Creationists
The comedy of science
Some scientists are so desperate to disprove God that they had to name a discovery "the god particle". That Higgs Boson will be their bane eventually.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:43pm On Dec 13, 2016
jonbellion:
and you say there is good and evil undecided
Which athiest ever said this
Good and evil is more than false dichotomy
Get that into your skull
Your view of morality is warped
That is why if your bibleGod says it's okay to have sex with a rabid bulldog while having an asphyxiation you would willingly indulge in such
A good example is your inscest thread
Heck your religious bias won't let you realise it's impossible to have sex with an intoxicated old man although lots daughters did it in the Jewish version of the brothers Grimm tales
You know nothing of morality outside the bible
That's why y'all go to great lengths to defend old testament bullcrap
You are obviously new on NL so you have no idea that a census and a poll was taken and almost all the atheist who came on that thread said there was nothing like good or evil.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:32pm On Dec 13, 2016
benzics:
so how was the dead spirit called back?
They used a mobile phone to dial it back. Mtcheew! The kind of comments and questions you ask only deserve silly answers and i have given you one.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:29pm On Dec 13, 2016
jonbellion:
does life stop nature from being cruel undecided
Bro nature is cruel
I fail to understand how the "fall" of man caused genetic disorders and abnormalities
That's just plain ridiculous
Your version of God didn't even like such people in the old testament
Does death stop nature from producing beauty? We live before we die! Creatures as small as insects even have the will to live. The catarpiller you mentioned has ways of camouflaging in order to escape or postpone death simply because it has a will to live ingrained in it.

Your jumping to genetic disorders is laughable. Are genetic disorders a curse? Are abnormalities a curse? There is beauty and life and joy in everything. Even the genetically deformed laugh and play and enjoy their lives. How does that affect you? Most times they say they do not need anyones pity. They even go ahead to serve God in their deformity. How does that affect you?

You do not even have a version of God so just stop.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:25pm On Dec 13, 2016
4kings:
What's the meaning of this??
Is Adolf Hitler's spirit going upward? huh
grin grin Hitlers spirit is OIO (On its own) the guy was a notoriously special breed.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:23pm On Dec 13, 2016
4kings:
SMH
grin grin grin of course i have. Is there a problem?
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:22pm On Dec 13, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Atheists say that in reality there is no good and evil , so how would an atheist say that nature contradicts an omnibenevolent God ?
Its only when God is involved they remember Good and evil.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:19pm On Dec 13, 2016
jonbellion:
lol evolution of sex bothered me a bit though
But what of the ichneumon wasp that paralyses caterpillars as live food for its eggs
That does not show a creator that cares atall
Nature is cruel
Nature contradicts an ominobenevolent God
Is the caterpillar meant to come and submit itself as food in batches to the wasp? Is a chicken meant to willingly stroll up to you and lay at your feet and probably beg you to slit its throat? Is a goat meant to strangle itself so it can serve as food for you?

How does animal survival and feeding and will to live disprove an omni benevolent God? You say nature is cruel but is nature all about death? Have you not seen the beauty and beautiful life that springs out from nature? Is that also cruel?
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:15pm On Dec 13, 2016
Seun:
No one takes your endless braying about supposed logical "fallacies" seriously. It's a sign that you don't have anything reasonable to say.
I have observed this thread and funny enough you were the one who had absolutely nothing to say through out and even now you are still clutching at straws and no longer holding fast to evolution being a fact. Something you never cease to shove in everyones face. Has there been a single real proof of any evolutionary process even on the genetic level produced here?

All that has been seen are assumptions and more assumptions..yours inclusive. Using Presumptions to argue as fact is a logical fallacy and that has been carried out everywhere on this thread.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:09pm On Dec 13, 2016
Seun:
If your motivation for questioning evolution is to prove that God made man with soil and woman with his rib, then that won't get you anywhere. However, I'm not opposed to questioning evolution. I believe in questioning everything questionable, and I practice this constantly. For example, I feel evolutionists go a bit too far sometimes when they indulge in detailed speculations based on very little evidence and then teach those speculations to children as facts. For example, they might discover a single bone fragment and construct a complete profile of the species that it came from with coloured illustrations of what it looked like, and then teach all that to children as scientific facts. That's wrong.
So in the nutshell the OP was not wrong when he captured this under Hasty generalization.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:05pm On Dec 13, 2016
Baron Deepsight art thou still with us or have you been confined to the gallows?
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:03pm On Dec 13, 2016
jonbellion:
lol
Just because we are ignorant of it now does not mean that a deity had to intervene
And advances in genetics have shone light on how and why, the evolution of reproduction occurred
Can you show us evidence of these how and why evolution of reproductive organs occurred?
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:02pm On Dec 13, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
grin grin

Choi ... No wahala sha
You know how it is na. Despotic people.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 10:01pm On Dec 13, 2016
DeepSight:
Let us not derail the thread o.
This thread will live in history as one of many threads where atheistic vacuity and absolute emptiness have been showcased.
No truer words have been spoken by a philosopher than these.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 9:56pm On Dec 13, 2016
Seun:
No, I was clearly talking about creationism. I think theistic evolution makes some sense for now. At least, until we figure out abiogenesis.


You're basically putting your God in the gaps of the theory of evolution. What will happen to your God when those current gaps are filled?

I hope you know that evolution is a cruel process? Uncountable animals including our ancestors had to die painfully of starvation, disease, and being torn apart and eaten by predators for the fittest to emerge. Your intelligent designer would have to be cruel or indifferent to suffering.
Argument to Future: Stating that even though a theory is not yet proven, it will be with further research and investigation.
Christianity EtcRe: Demystifying Evolution! Exposing It And Its Fraud! by damogul: 9:49pm On Dec 13, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Nailed it ! Every time I bring this up , they evade it . The explanations for these is beyond ridiculous !!
ebu nwanne OP mopere this thread anarala jail time. grin

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