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. This can be summarized in one word - BARBARISM !!!

Now for the first time, I am satisfied with the qualifications of nominees. We need academics and proven track records and not just god-fatherisms.

abdulwastecx:
800k on subframes? Oga you rich o

That includes cost of installing them. The project is sorta big (although I feel I have been seriously ripped off ) and I dey follow oga Mufutau's kobo kobo strategy.

mufutau55:
I gather from investigations and inquiry that sub-frames are needed from imported wooden doors, but not for internal steel doors.
Our local wooden doors only need real frames, because that is what I have used in the past... bit I stand corrected.

Hajji M.

Nice one Oga hajji, thanks for the education. I totally agree that it won't be needed for metal security doors. I observed that Oga skimanski and Oga segcymoor use it in some of their projects.

Nice one Oga hajj

Before discussing the doors proper, could we find out if subframes for doors are still relevant? I feel I wasted over 800k on subframes but my carpenter tells me otherwise.

mufutau55:
I like this guy... making me laugh. I hope I am not late into answering this. There is nothing wrong in using used planks for decking.

When I was about to deck my project in December 2015, me and my Builder (Aventures) had to look for way to save money on the decking cost becos I am a poor man. Actually like you, I had to go back to my Grandfather's Cocoa farm in the village with cutlass and hoes to do some work and gather money, but still the money was not enough. So Aventures came out with the idea of renting the woods and bamboo for the decking... we saved over N250k from the cost. The planks and bamboos we used have been used before, we also used plastic laid on the planks to preserve the planks and also to make the deck slab come out good. After our use, the same planks can still be used about five times more.. because they were still in good shape and not bent either. After the deck cured, the carpenter came and removed his planks and bamboos to be reused. The Carpenter owns the wood and he will cut and nail them the better way for him and the project.
I also used recycle planks for the lintels on both ground floor and upper floors... It saved me quite a bit of money.
I believe in idea of recycling and conservation, so reusable of anything possible is what I like. In my previous project, its used once and dispose the planks and bamboos; shared to the residents around the areas for fire wood... this ideas is wasteful. Planks can be recycled.

So go ahead and use good used planks and bamboos for your decking/lintel project... it will save you money.

Note: All the monies in this Forum is controlled by EgunMogaji o, I have nothing to do with it... I am a kobo-kobo project man.

Hajji M.

Nice one

ifyalways:
Thank you jare
I see people that have never bought a block in their whole existence already casting aspersions on the cousin.

1M that can barely buy better roofing sheet sef. Abeg this thread is so funny with all the ignorant posts.

Madam,

How are you sure they have never bought a block? Are u their banker or parents? Imagine judging people you know little or nothing about with such certainty. Please use correct tenses like MIGHT NOT,MAY NOT,PROBABLY NEVER. Rather than speak with all certainties. You and everyone here is entitled to their opinions. Some of these people may be older and may be far richer than you think.QED.

SirJeffry:
The location is Anambra and my cousin is a professional contractor. The house benefactor is my aunt as well as his aunt so I thought it would be wise to patronize him since he's into such business.

It's just that I've spent more than I thought should be spent on the project that's why I sought you guys opinion. He said roofing alone will gulp almost 800k and I had to cut the call to put my mind together abeg.

That was why I asked for the dimensions of the house. The size matters when costing . 1 million to do plastering, piping and roofing of a standard 3 bedroom flat will be a serious challenge.

Building a house is a project and sometimes you need to have a cold glass of water at hand when reading quotations otherwise you go faint. Just wait for the cost of tiling, aluminium windows and other finishings; you will be in for a shocker.

Please politely ask for cost break down. That way you can both be on same page and you will have a better grasp of what he is doing. Cost of building varies by location.

FreeWorld23:
never mix family with business is a good advice. But not all families will loot your money meant for building a house. My both parents handle anything about property for me and i can tell u all is going well......same with my friend too; his brother is the one building for him back home (not all family members are beast).


Sirjeffry the big mistake you made was sending the money in "bulk". Try and send the money in batches.

You still need a trusted person to monitor the house if not; you will end up spending 2m on a 1m house and the standard of the house even after paying the double will be another disaster cos he will try to take corners just to make more money from u.

If you be chairman.......... I mean "Oga at the top" , you can use one of our builders here on Nl.

Okay o o...I and the person I quoted below still maintain my adopted rule of thumb - Do not mix family with business. I do not even want to find out if they are beasts or not. I have seen enough cases and heard enough stories.

signature2012:
1m can't finish that job.
Never mix building constructing with families ,they will always want to find a way to drain you since they know you are not in town.

SirJeffry:
Guys please I need advice and suggestions. There's this three-bedroom bungalow I'm building in my mum village through a cousin who is a building contractor.
Aside fencing the property which is about two plots, I have put in approximately N2.5m yet the house is still on "linter" level. When I became mad about it, my cousin told me he put in a lot in building "sucker pit" and leveling the bad landscape.

Now I sent him N1m for him to do the roofing, conduit wiring and possibly plastering but he just sent me a text asking for more money for the same purpose.

Please, is he trying to drain me or are things that costly now that a 3bedroom house in a village takes up to N5m to build.

Lalasticlala, please help me get suggestions on this.

You need to listen to the 10 crack commandment by Biggie. Never mix family and business. Your construction is business n ur cousin is family.
Op, I have a relative who is into dstv, one very close one is an electrician and another supplies diesel but I do not deal with any of them. That way I can sack or send the person to jail.

For me to know if you are being cheated, it will be nice knowing the location of the project and a plan of the house. There are a lot of factors to consider when 'costing' a house. Factors like local labour, cost of materials in that environs, etc.
If your project were to be in Lagos, I might have made an offer.

Ibinwanne:
The red thing you referred to helps the pump to boast its pressure when it is pumping, it generally helps to regulate the water pressure, we used it on that particular pump because of the distance between the treated water tank and the distribution tank and again because of the fact that it is a hotel, they really require water there. As per the price, we can always discuss that on phone or by e-mail. Thanking in anticipation.

Thanks..

@ Johnca,

This is a good one but always try to quote ur source otherwise it is plagiarism. You got this from a 2015 article on castles magazines' website : http://www.castles.com.ng/magazine/article/AGENCY%20PRACTICE%20/1048

The article has not explained why the cost of survey plans differs from area to area (especially in Lagos state).

Ibinwanne:
Thanks a lot, the white container there is a chemical tank, although that one is a small one, we have much bigger ones for bigger treatment plants, the chemical tank contains some of the chemicals used in the water treatment. The major difference between the automatic and manual is that the automatic water treatment plant mixes the chemicals and injects it into the raw water tank without any help from anyone, whereas the manual type requires you to be adding the chemicals yourself into the raw water tank. A submersible pump has nothing to do with the treatment plant, the only job it does is to pump borehole water into the sedimentation tank, the three surface pumps there pumps water from the treated water tank to the different distribution tanks in the building. Thanks a lot.

Makes sense now. We learn new things with time. Why does one of the pump have a red container on top and the other two do not?

So please tell me, what is the difference in cost between the manual and automatic treatment plant (estimated for an area like ajah).

phemmyutd:
my fear is the day this ocean will react to all these frustrations

you guys sometimes make comments without having the facts. Eko Atlantic city's sand filling is small compared to the expansion of the port in Holland. The oceans are connected. Do you have an idea of the amount of sand filling that will cause a 10cm rise in ocean level? To give you an idea, go to an Olympic size swimming pool, take the water level then throw a stone in it and then get the change in water level.
Let's all try to make informed comments please.

Most times when the ocean reacts, it is due to weather especially to a tornado at sea or excessive wave causing effects

nutripot:
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2 Nature Abedul 23x69 1.3/8pcs 3900
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4 Calacata 31x60 1.52/8pcs 3500
5 Daino Marrow 20x60 1.08/9 3500
6 Daino Ondas Marrow 20x60 1.08/9 3500
7 Bronze Crème 20x60 1.08/9 3500
8 Astoria Oud Taupe 20x60 1.08/9 3500
9 Marquina Bisel 20x60 1.08/9 3500
10 Granada Crème 20x60 1.08/9 3500
11 Samoa Gris 60x60 1.44/4pcs 4000
12 Bamako Sable 60x60 1.08/3pcs 4000
13 Baltimore Crème 60x60 1.44/4 4000
14 Baltimore Marrow 60x60 1.44/4 4000

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002 Basic Beige 60x60 1.44/4pcs 4000
003 Blanco Brillo 60x60 1.08/3 4000
004 Isparta Beige 60x60 1.44/4pcs 4000
005 Colmena Blanco 61x61 1.12/3 4000
006 Paris Lux Negro 60x60 1.08/3 4500
007 Pulpis Graffito 61x61 1.12/3 4000
008 Blanco Brillo 61x61 1.12/3 4000
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Are these prices per square metre or per carton?

Dieumerci:
If you don't need the prices so urgent, then I can get you the prices on/before Monday from their sole distributor Adebayo.

Please don't forget to share here. I am also interested.

The fact remains that a lot of property developers are only after maximum profit. They are only concerned about the building standing till it's sold. And this brings to the fore, the fact that we have no enforced building standards in Nigeria. They all tend to get away with it. An example is the recent collapsed Lekki Gardens building. The builder and contractor are yet to be prosecuted. I am sure Mr Richard is walking free and probably still being escorted by policemen as he used to.
This cut costing is not limited to estate developers alone. Even some individuals do a lot of cutting corners with their builds. And then cover their rubbish builds with beautiful aesthetics thus hidden far away from the ordinary eyes.
A lot of blame goes to the system. To get c of o is war. To get approved building plan takes ages. And if you don't develop ur land on time, these omoniles may sell your land to someone else so it is best to build as fast as possible.
My submission is for government to make getting documentation easier and faster. Because as far as I am concerned ,the current process is rubbish.

Ibinwanne:
Automatic water treatment plant fully designed and installed by Olive Well Nigeria Limited at Realty estate, Addo road, Ajah, Lagos.

Dear Ibi,

I have a few questions.

1. Please what is that white container used for. Is dat what makes it automatic?

2. What differentiates the automatic plant from the normal plant?

3. Why are there three surface pumps? Was a submersible pump used in this treatment plant?

Qconceptz:
The aluminum window was fixed before the hood.... Here is a closer look at the window.... There is no space.

thanks for the clarification.

abdulwastecx:
Pounding of yam should not be done on even our conventional floor system. Most of the floors are not designed to receive vibration effect of pounding.

Is pounding of yam advised on any decking? The one I detest most is the use of generators on a deck.

mavverick:
I may be able to help but I dont know how i can because i am not a builder, I may be able to give you prices for tiling per sqm which is widely available anyway, prices of electrical stuff and toilet fittings. Then again, taste can be different so might be better if one of the more experienced builders give you an idea.

Do you have an idea of the space area ?

Please can u help with the price of tiling per sq metre?

waldigit:
Jesus ascended to Heaven and sat at the right hand of the Father. Like I said some souls were at temporary place of rest. Heaven Jesus was referring to is different from where the father is. Any place away from the earth may be referred to as heaven but necessarily where the Father is. Shalom.

I think you are getting it mixed up. So where did Enoch and Elijah go? sky? Just like the quoted suggeted, did Jesus lie?

holyokoto:
Then Jesus will become the greatest Liar when He said " For no one has ascended into heaven except the son of Man that came down from Heaven" John 3:13

Good question. I have always wondered about this too.
It will be nice to hear a broad range of views.

CC Seun,Lalasticlala, Fynestboi,Obinoscopy,Mynd44,OAM4J

Qconceptz:
The window hood and pillar designs where casted before fixing, that's what the client choose.

Please were there no spaces between the windows and hoods since the window hood was casted before the fixing of the aluminium windows?

Favored4gud:
The pole in front of the house... hmmm

Am I missing something,please what happened to the pole in front of the house?

MooreLabs:
This property is still ups for grabs. Located in a serene neighbourhood of Banana Island.
Call: 09090408632 for possible inquiries.

Just thinking...is Dere any area of banana island dat is not serene?

Happy sales!

Tolutheo:
If you are renting the house from an agent and the landlord does not stay in the compound. Be sure to meet the landlord/landlady personally before dropping any kobo of your money. "Don't listen to stuffs like: "The landlord/landlady is in London." They are all lies. Thank me later.

Very wise but don't you think a fake agent can get an impostor? When you meet the landlord, how will one ascertain he is truly the landlord (asking for original copies of c of o?). Some landlords are actually out of the country though.
This is a very good point but it will be hard to verify so best to use a reputable agent.

gabbytabby:
This one is not true cos this represents additional cost to beautify the flat.

I want to believe you are a landlord and I believe what you are referring to is skirting tiles like as shown below. What I am referring to are walls that are tiled with one or two full tiles. This is used to control water ingress by osmosis and control the dampness. I hope this is now clear.

Aroh48:
That No 13,I am confuse about that.There was a time I wanted to rent an apartment,I took my friend there after looking at the house he told me that its a scorpion house.The next one,he said its a snake house.we went to another house and he said that house is a dragon house.I was just looking at him with mouth open.

Lolzzzz....I don't blame ur friend and I don't blame you either. That said, it might just be dat he saved you from what the lady I quoted below experienced. I know many people with similar stories. Some people are yet to even find their footings.

centboy123456:
What is this one saying. What do u mean by. Spiritual covering guy go and sit down u don't know anytin

I understand some people are ignorant of the devices of the enemy. Anyway, my prayer for you is dat you won't move into such because if care is not taken, you may not even have money to pay your rent or move out. I am happy dat some people understand it. See below for an example.

Rett0:
This is so true. We moved out from a house similar to this. Everything was so cool, the landlord n family were the sweetest. They were d very pals.
But i noticed only them were prospering. I lost jobs paying good 6 digits on that house without any been my fault. I lost lots of opportunities beyond reasoning. My hubby hardly got any promotions, my car was stolen, my brother could not get any meaningful offer, I almost lost my pregnancy. so we started praying.
That was when i realized that other neighbours were facing same issues. One was earning almost 400k and was suddenly dropped and could no longer feed or pay rent. Another almost lost his land he had been paying for cos he could no longer pay and his wife constantly had miscarriages.

Infact we had to run away. When they knew we were leaving, they came to beg that we should stay or did they offend us? Have they not been nice? The moment we were set to run away my hubby got promoted, my brother got a sweet job 2 weeks after we moved. Not long after i got a job and gave birth safely.

Obinoscopy:
@danowena, whats your source?

These are all personal observations I made after moving into a newly rented apartment. I always thought I had it covered till I moved in and discovered that I have missed some of the items listed. So I decided to make this list to serve as a reminder to me and others who might need it. Anyone is free to add whatever they missed out whilst checking or inspecting an apartment.

RENTING: Important checks to make

1. Security
Before renting that house, make sure you confirm the security situation of the area or street. Simply dress normal and strike a conversation with the groundnut seller,vulcaniser, mallam or kiosk owner. Systematically ask for robbery or burglar history of the area. You could go to the nearest police station and do the needful for a good feedback. Your agent or landlord will never tell you the truth if the security is poor.
Also look at the buildings around the intended compound. Is there an undeveloped or unoccupied plot of land next to it? Is the fence around ur compound high. Are there barbed wires, electrical fencing or sharp edges on the fence to deter/discourage hoodlums? Is the gate of the compound always locked and is there any that checks the traffic at the gate if not always locked? Do not fall for the trick of we will get a mallam as soon as you pay.
Is the apartment secure? Are there adequate measures on ground to prevent easy access by burglars? Burglary proofs are properly made and fastened; doors properly closing and all locks are in good working order. Take your time to check the locks otherwise you will be installing locks at your own expense.

Ask for the security charges if any. This will help your planning and budgeting.

2. Leakages

Check the ceiling or POP for signs of leakages. If it has been leaking, you will see signs of dried water unless it has been painted. Check the decking for leakages especially at the bathrooms, toilets and kitchens. Some decks leak water and it is important you check this.
Flush the toilets and watch patiently to see signs of leakages in the toilet and on the outside of the toilet. Take your time, it is your money and your agent should work for his money too.
Run all the taps in the house (toilet, bathrooms, kitchen , dining) to make sure there is no leakage. Patiently watch as the water run through the waste pipe. Check on the other side too for leakages otherwise, the plumber will be your regular customer.

Also check the windows to ensure that they will seal properly and not allow water ingress. Check the doors leading outside to ensure that there won't be water ingress during rains. Otherwise, you will be very busy when it rains and you stand the chance of damaging your important documents.

3.Dampness

If it is a ground floor apartment or duplex, check the bottom of the wall on the ground floor. If the bottom of the walls were all tiled. This is a sure sign of dampness. If the walls are painted, check if the paint or plaster is swelling or breaking off at the bottom.

4.Kitchen

As mentioned earlier, run the taps and check for leakages under the sink or along the pipe and joints.

Open all cabinets and close them. Check the cabinet doors and hinges. Check all switches and sockets to ensure they are properly fastens to the wall and working.

5.Electrical system

If there is light, ensure that all the switches and sockets are proper fastened. This check should be done for every part of the house. A house with a faulty electrical system will frustrate and cost you more money.

Find out the power situations of the area. Some areas do not have light for weeks. While on the other hand , some areas have good power supply. If possible endeavour to stay in an area with good power supply otherwise, your living expenses will increase due to running a generator.

6.Painting

Check the state of the paint and if not in good condition, negotiate the possibility of the house being repainted. This is quite uncommon unless a new house.

7.Neighbours

Check the calorie of people living in the house. This can be quickly done by the types of cars, things you see in the balcony of neighbours, air conditioning systems (fan, Split AC, Window AC, ETC). This is subjective and some people live a humble life so this system is not accurate but can give you an idea. Don't be a king in your compound otherwise when it is time for joint efforts, you will be frustrated or doing it alone.

8.Metering and Power Supply

If possible look for an apartment with prepaid meter. That way, you can control your billing unlike the post-paid. Ensure you follow the steps that were given in this thread :

https://www.nairaland.com/3201866/before-rent-house#47134997

Ensure that there are no inherent bills on the metre.

Avoid shared metres unless you really cannot afford to so.

Try to find out if the area enjoys good power supply or not. This will help in determining your budget for running your generator.

9.Tidiness of the compound

Check the tidiness of the compound especially at the back of side that is less used. The back of that apparently. Neat house may be a dump. All the neatness could be packaging.

Find out about the means of garbage disposal.How are garbage disposed? Is it joint waste drum or individual? Is it dump truck or aboki push trucks? If joint, how is the service paid?



10. Water Supply
Ensure you know how the water runs. Is there always water? How is the water pumped. How often is the water pumping done. How many tanks does the compound have. Is the tank adequate for the number of flats /usage?


11.Shared Utility Bills

The security lights and Water pumping Machines may not have their own meter. Find out and confirm where these are connected. Are they connected to the apartment you are about taking? If so, how do the neighbours reimburse you for the extra bill incurred?

12.Cracks

Avoid renting apartments with cracks. Some cracks are due to poor plastering or stress caused by ground movements (this can be seen in a lot of houses in gbagada area of lagos). However, when see cracks in the middle of a decking, pillar or a crack that is running almost vertically on the wall; you will need to reassess to ensure that the house is not collapsing. If you don't know how to know a house that is getting close to collapse, simply look for another house to avoid stories that will touch your mother and family.

13.Spiritual covering

I understand that this is nigeria and a lot of people went to various lengths to get their money. Some went diabolic. When some people move into some houses, their financial or family situations gets worse. Some people will enter a house with 2 cars but will leave with no car , no job or very bad business. Please pray very well before looking for an apartment so that you will not be interested in the destiny killing ones.

14. Road Access

The state of the road leading to your intended apartment is of importance. Otherwise you may regret during the raining season. It is always wiser to do an inspection during the raining season or after it has rained heavily as this will reveal the true state of the road.

The road access and connectivity to major places of interest should also be checked.

15. Flooding.

Check the height of the compound to the road or drainage. Check that the German flooring is high enough to keep you from the floods when it rains. Avoid stories that touch.

EndiaSami:
Armitage shanks is an okay product, it's English. More of sister to twyford england.
Things I know that makes wc loses color are. The quality of the wc and it's cleaning agents, and water. Some water in some areas are harsh which can change most wc color in time, also some cleaning materials are harsh in cleaning wc.
And lastly some wc are of poor quality.

Thanks......let me go back to the match. Portugal - france

Thanks...I appreciate. I may stick to the popular sweet home products.