Oluromantic: Well I know many people would want to bash me. Feel free. Aethist you're welcome. Different overknow denominations you're welcome. Personal bashers you're welcome to bash.
Nitah1: Before i ask some teething questions here that have existed in my head for sometime now,i want you all to know that i am a born again child of God....i did my BCC,LCC,and LDC respectively.
For God so loved the world that He sent his only son to die for us ( paraphrase).
If God loved us as enshrined in john 3:16,why allow terrible things to keep happening to his love ones?
Bokoharam killed thousands and displaced many Christians in the North East,arm robbers are killing on daily basis. Bandits are on the rampage,rapists are rapping and killing innocent women,eg Uwa and co.....
Isis invaded iraq in a broad daylight and massacre thousand and almost wipes out Yazidi Christian minorities in that country,....
Rituals kill and butcher human like animals in the name of quick money...
God,where are you?
Or are we deceiving our selves that you exist?
Can a father stand and watch his children maltreated without action?
China produces virus that almost wipes half of the world population.....where is our protectors.?
The Christian's on this your thread are amusing. I bet they will end up confusing you more because they have no answers to your simple question-Where is god in all the chaos? Just keep on asking questions. Don't be afraid to ask any question about religion or god and gradually you will get there. Read the bible and use your brain to ask questions....overcoming your fear of asking questions is the key to your freedom from indoctrination and I tell you the indoctrination is deep!
Yungmil: Christians believed Jesus Christ is the truth and the way, hence whoever wants to go to the father will have to do it through his son Jesus Christ, who is regarded as the son of God.
Muslims on the other hand believe the Prophet Mohammed is the prophet of Allah and as such he is highly regarded and respected not in Christianity but in the world of Islam as a right step in entering the Paradise or promised land.
We also have Traditional worshippers, Hinduism, Buddhism and other numerous religions, believes and practices.
Now where I am confuse is, we all know that it is difficulty, unusual and strange for someone born into a family that believes in a particular religion to be convinced, deceived, confused or willingly decides to change to a different religion or believe.
These gives birth to my question: CAN ALL RELIGIONS AND BELIEVES MAKE HEAVEN?
So I will need enlightenment from the forum pastors, Imam, biblical and Qur'anic Scholars as well as those who are vast in these and other religions and believes, so as to be cleared on these mystery.
Religion is geographical. Once you understand this it will all make sense. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia you would most probably be indoctrinated into Islam. It is simple geography.
There are thousands and thousands of gods and religions,lots of them have even gone extinct. All these religions employ a carrot and stick ideology of a rewarding everlasting heaven and a punishment everlasting hell. This carrot and stick ideology is to control your mind and make you pliant. The point is none of these religions or gods agree with each other. Everyone of these religions and gods are in a constant flux with each other to the extent that the adherents can kill each other over these religions. However the simple fact is that none of these gods exist. None of these religions and their commandments were ordained by any god. All these gods and religions are products of the imagination of men like you. Once you understand that god did not create man,but it was man who created god everything becomes simple and you are free!
frank317: And that was where I knew responding to him was unnecessary.
The same person who claims he is here to face challenges is trying to form he can raise the dead blah blah blah.
Someone who will die and can't do anything about it is telling me he has the ability to bring back the dead, meanwhile the death he can over come in other lives will over come him.
If u can raise the dead and still eventually die then u are a fool.
Oga, I just no fit shout
I was just amused when he began making the silly claims of raising a dead person. We have seen fraudulent Christian's such as 4evergod1-10 making such claims here before. It's just deja vu.
onlyfacts: Don't attack me, I didn't attack you. Let's focus on the topic. I have explained the concept of slavery in the Bible and it is fair. If a master killed a slave, he was guilty of death no matter his status. You should argue on how unfair it is.
I REPEAT,CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK! I AM NOT READY TO DISCUSS YOUR UGLY AND TWISTED,SICK PERVERSION WITH YOU!!
Bacteriologist: If verses like Exodus 21 were found in the Qur'an or any other religious book for that matter. Christians would talk down on it for as long as forever.
But look at how they dickride slavery, rape and misogyny and attempt to twist it as justifiable just because their bible supports it. Religion breeds evil.
They are just sickening and disgusting they way they try to justify everything in their comic book. This book supports slavery,murder,rape,misogyny and some many more crimes against humanity and you will see a human being turning logic upside down and trying to justify such rubbish? People like this just make me feel sick!
onlyfacts: A Christian master was not to treat his slave harshky but righteously. The summary points to their rights.
In summary,the highlight of the Bible's dealing with slaves showed it was more than fair. All slaves had a chance of being repurchased at anytime or released at the 7th year of servitude or at the jubilee year, whichever came first (majorly Hebrew slaves) . If they were injured in servitude they were to be released immediately, if they were killed in servitude by the master, the master was to be killed in return. They were also to be given a gift on their release to help them not fall back into servitude ( all slaves) .
You guys are just sickening and people like you completely disgust me. This is why I avoid talking to Christian's because you people can justify any sick thing as long as it is written in your silly comic book.
onlyfacts: Did you read the post above? You would have found references to the NEW TESTAMENT. go and read it.
I read where you wrote for a slave to have a master is a blessing! How slavery can be a blessing to a slave boggles the mind! How being exchanged for money and having no rights being a blessing to the slave is just sickening and derogatory!
More new testament encouraging and propagating slavery.
TITUS CHAPTER 2 VERSES 9-10.
Titus 2:9–10
NIV
9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10 and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.
As for the muslims having a separate section and the swearing of the oath. The muslims threatened the administrator/seun back in the day that they will harm him and the forum. I believe that is why they have their separate kingdom headed by an Ayatollah.
As for atheist threads not making the front page. Back in the day atheist threads and Christian threads were on the front page equally on sundays. I wonder why atheist threads NO LONGER make the front page but are hidden in the religious section.
However it makes no difference to me. I post wherever I feel like posting and if the administrator decides to hang a religious tag on my moniker, IT DOES NOT DEFINE ME!
IamMichael: If you are in Nairaland and you don't know that the owner is an atheist, then you probably just joined very newly. I have been on nairaland for a long time, and the one thing i can say for certain about Nairaland is that Seun is a religious apologist, and helps propagate religious beliefs; something he should be helping people who don't know better to be free of.
Why do i say that Seun is a religious apologist and propagandist? Seun has one of the biggest social media platform in Africa, not just Nigeria. He lives in a country where Religious freedom is deeply entrenched in the country's constitution, something that even allowed him follow his non-religious path of atheism. As part of attending to the Religious needs of his platforms members and guests alike, he added the Religious section to Nairaland. One would applaud such as a wonderful move because there is nothing bad with people of like/similar faith/minds congregating online to discuss and share their religious beliefs(or non-belief), convictions and practices.
However, the usual pettiness that has kept Nigeria and Africa down set in. The same pettiness that has made snake threads a constant feature in the front-page.
1) First there is the swearing that you believe in Allah before you can comment on a Muslim thread. Like seriously? People are forced to comment with a silly religious tag before commenting on a free website; a reverse psychological way of making people avoid such threads since they wouldn't want to be tagged with that religious nonsense. This is because after commenting, the tag follows you everywhere else on the site like a permanent tag. I cannot comment on a Muslim thread because I am forced to accept something i don't believe in. This is tantamount to the physical religious jihad/wars in which you either convert or die. You have no right to enforce such rule on anybody Seun Osewa, as you are contravening Section 39(1) of the 1999 constitution of Nigeria as Amended: "Every person shall be entitled to freedom of expression, including freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart ideas and information without interference". It doesn't matter if you own Nairaland. Nairaland is a business entity registered under the Laws of Nigeria and therefore subject to the constitution of the land.
Furthermore, you are also expressly disobeying Section 42 of the constitution with this vicious discriminatory policy Viz: "S.42(1) A citizen of Nigeria of a particular community, ethnic group, place of origin, sex, religion or political opinion shall not, by reason only that he is such a person:- (a) be subjected either expressly by, or in the practical application of, any law in force in Nigeria [/b]or any executive or administrative action of the government, to disabilities or restrictions to which citizens of Nigeria of other communities, ethnic groups, places of origin, sex, religions or political opinions are not made subject; or (b) be accorded either expressly by, or in the practical application of, [b]any law in force in Nigeria or any such executive or administrative action, any privilege or advantage that is not accorded to citizens of Nigeria of other communities, ethnic groups, places of origin, sex, religions or political opinions." Note the bolded @"...any law in Nigeria..."
You are forthwith adviced to fall in line with the law of the land or apply a general rule about posting in the religious section. A Muslim cannot be free to comment on a christian thread or atheist thread or any other non-muslim thread without swearing to anything, whereas other non-muslims are forced to do so on Muslim threads. That's the highest point of discrimination and suffocation of freedom of religion and expression. It is a coded religious propagation and exactly what an apologist will do; unless you are a closet atheist and a Muslim in real life.
2) Every Friday, Muslim threads are pushed to the front-page, flooding the front page of Nairaland with at least 5+ Muslim threads. Also, every Sunday, christian threads flood the front-page with at least 5+ threads. @Seun Osewa has chosen the two days to push religious beliefs to other Nairalanders face without caring about anything. However, does he accord the same privilege to other people who are not Muslims and Christians? No!
@Seun Osewa, why are you afraid to push the following threads from religion section to front page? - Freethinkers thread, - Atheists threads, - Traditionalists thread, - Agnostics threads, - Humanists threads and other threads that are not Muslim or Christian related. Why do you still discriminate despite having the platform to bridge the silly discrimination that has pervaded the entire Nigeria in our physical world? You move and push religious propagation, but are afraid to push non-muslim/christian doctrines of christians and Muslims. Yet, you want us to believe you are not religious.
The last time i checked, all the christian and Muslim threads contravenes Rule 8 Of Nairaland, making them unfit to even be existing to begin with. For emphasis, Rule number 8 of Nairaland Rules states: "Don't post false information on Nairaland." All muslim and christian threads on Nairaland are false threads ab initio seeing as they are not facts and have never been proved. They are all simple opinions to begin with, but they're being pushed to the front page nonetheless.
You @Seun Osewa should address this issues immediately. I am not the first to complain, and i am not sure i am even the first person to call you out publicly about this. You can ban me if you want, but stop being a religious apologist and propagandist.
Whatever is good for the goose is good for the gander. The same way christian and muslim threads are pushed to the front page is also the same way non-muslim/christian threads should be pushed to the front page at given days of the week. I cannot tell you not to push christian/muslim threads to the front-page because they're a big demographics for your site. However, justice, equity and fairness demands that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Non-muslim/christian threads will hit higher demographics outside the religious section which a lot of people don't enter. But, you are deliberately restricting it because you are an apologist and religious propagandist. There are a lot of non-believers who visit Nairaland front-page daily. Such threads on the front-page will also tell them about people of similar beliefs, seeing as most people prefer to keep their non-religious beliefs and affiliation to themselves because of the society we are in. Do what is right, and prove me wrong that you are not a religious apologist and propagandist.
Regards!
This should be on the front page,although I am not optimistic!
thankgod460: Sir, it's my pleasure to tell you that I am not living a miserable life. By his grace bestowed upon me I heal the sick, also by his Greater Grace upon me I raised the dead. It's a pity you don't know me. I am not a pastor but the believe I have in the grace of God help me to achieved this testimony I shared today. I am testifying to what I have seen, hear and experienced. I am not just making noise Any other things you want to know or can you heal the sick or raise dead?
Here comes the NARCISSISM! Its embedded in all Christian's.
Missyajoke: The very act of praise releases the power of God into a set of circumstances and enables God to change them if this is his design. Very often it is our attitudes that hinder the solution of a problem. God is sovereign and could certainly cut across our wrong thoughts and patterns and attitudes. But his perfect plan is to bring each of us into fellowship and communion with him, and so he allows circumstances and incidents which will bring our wrong attitudes to our attention. I have come to believe that the prayer of praise is the highest form of communion with God, and one that always releases a great power into our lives. Praising him is not something we do because we feel good; rather it is an act of obedience. Often the prayer of praise is done in sheer teetg- gritting willpower; yet when we persist in it, somehow the power of God is released into us and into the situation, first in a trickle perhaps, but later in a growing stream that finally floods us and washed away the old hurts and scars. Praise was not just a form of worship or prayer, but also a way of waging spiritual warfare. The enemy's arrows just can't penetrate the joy of someone who is praising the Lord.In 2 Corinthian s 20 we read how a whole army was defeated when the Israelites simply praised the Lord and believed Him when he said that the battle wasn't theirs, but His. Praising God fill our hearts with overflowing joy. As you continue to thank him in all circumstances you will see how perfectly God will work out every detail of your life. But so we really believes that he controls every detail of our lives or do we think he's off on more important business?.
Points To Ponder On
1. Have you praised God today? 2. When will you stop complaining?
@ emboldened, 2nd Chronicles 20,actually. Not that I believe the yarn though!
This simple animation shows the LIES Christian's tell you about Jesus,freewill and hell fire. It's just like a robber holding a gun to your head just to CONTROL your mind!
Other Christian's are laughing at this man. They forget that there is no church doctrine that agrees with the other. There are a lot of gospels that were struck out of the bible and were destroyed and labelled heresy by the Roman's and their emperors. Some of these gospels have been discovered hidden away in caves over the time. The winners write history the way it favours them. The bible was written and compiled the way the Roman Victor's wanted it to be compiled to celebrate their victory.
thankgod460: I cannot just be emphasizing on religion related issues without quoting from our holy book. If you are an atheist, why not minding your business and let us remain gullible as you said
This is hilarious. If Christian's stopped disturbing our peace with the loud speakers and amplifiers they place on top of their worship houses. If jehovah's stopped knocking on our doors asking to preach to us. If Christian's stopped pushing their pamphlets into our cars. If you guys stopped preaching to me on a public forum like this one trying to convince me that god came to earth through a virgin and then died on a stake in order to prevent him burning me in an everlasting hell fire incinerator,then maybe then I will stop trying to prove the lack of logic and reasoning in religious beliefs. Just imagine someone coming on a public forum to peddle myths and yarns and expect not to be challenged!
thankgod460: Get this, not all that portrait themselves as men of God are true men of God. By their fruits you shall know them, I am not here to judge.... I didn't support men of God using security. I know prophets and apostles of olds demonstrated the power of God to the world then. To those who engaged the use of security, I believed they will have something to say about it. I'm not here to judge. But as for grace : Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high place[/b]s. Don't combined grace and physical affairs......
[b]Why do Christians always quote their religious book in arguments with atheists that don't believe in the book? Don't you understand that it is just like a mormon or a Muslim quoting his religious book in an argument with a christian. The point is that the leaders of the church don't believe in this grace or holy spirit or blood of jesus you are parroting. They only use these terms and phrases to deceive their gullible followers. The leaders of the church are realists that know that there is no security in any grace. The only security they believe in lies in the barrel of a gun and hiding behind bullet proof glass..
Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. Quran 4:23-24
@emboldened, The qur'an encouraging keeping of slave girls and sex with them.
Narrated 'Abdullah bin Zam'a: The Prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day." Sahih Bukhari 7:62:132
JhayJoe: They have bodyguards to protect themselves and their familes yet they give their members only stickers to protect themselves
I actually wanted thankgod460 to respond but it is all good you got where I was going. The leaders of religion do NOT believe in this so called grace. All the leaders provide all the paraphernalia of adequate security for themselves but ask their followers to believe in a hopeless and impotent grace!
This is the christian bible encouraging and supporting rape.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
This is the christian bible encouraging and supporting slavery.
Leviticus 25:44-46 New International Version (NIV) 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
thankgod460: Grace function as a free gift from God through the death of his only begotten son which gives us access to God directly without going through any priests for sacrifice either for requests or pardon.
@The emboldened, If I may ask you, do you think the pastors,evangelists, bishops,reverends, popes and other men of god(leading the churches)really believe in this so called "grace"?