Missyajoke: I have come to the conclusion that our life has already been predestined by God from heaven . The reason why we're called human is because God has given us the ability to choose. Let me ask you a question all the mad men we see on the street were they predestined to be mad no but due to their personal choices and the things they did they became mad. Our life has already been planned by God from heaven but its up to us to fulfill the purpose why we are created. The world of God says before I created thee I knew thee. God won't choose for you, you make your personal choices .
Ajoke,everytime I try to leave,you keep pulling me back in......
Your god knew the man would be mad from birth. What chance did the man have of not becoming a lunatic? If god knew the man would become mad from the womb,where is the FREEWILL? If god knew the man would become mad from the womb,and the man now chose not to become mad,where does that leave your omniscient and omnipotent god? It follows that your god is NOT ALL KNOWING because what he knew did not come to pass!
Let us take the case of Judas Iscariot and Jesus Christs betrayal. I think every christian should goggle and read the gospel of Judas.Even though it is not in the Christian bible,this gospel actually exists and it looks at the betrayal of jesus from the point of view of Judas. In a predetermined world purported to have been created by an omniscient god Judas had no chance except to betray Jesus. It was predetermined therefore Judas was only carrying out gods will.
If Judas did not betray jesus then the god of the bible is certainly not an omniscient being. I don't know if you are following my train of thought or the INDOCTRINATION is so deep you are afraid to reason with me?
Missyajoke: The Concept divine predestination means that God has a purpose that is determined long before it is brought to pass. It implies that God is infinitely capable of planning and then bringing about what he has planned, and Scripture speaks of him as doing this ( Prophecy in its predictive mode is to be understood accordingly. God plans and makes his plans known, as he chooses, to his servants the prophets ( Amos 3:7 ). 14:24-27 ; 22:11 ; 37:26 ; 44:7-8 ; 46:8-10 ).
Stop going around in circles. You are fooling no one. I need a simple answer to my question. My question- How does FREEWILL exist in a world PREDETERMINED by an OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT all knowing creator god?
[quote author=Missyajoke post=89832107][/quote]What consequences?? In a predetermined world ruled by an omnipotent,omniscient all knowing creator god can Lot actually have a free will to suffer consequences? Is it religion that is preventing you from thinking these things out properly? And how does all this excuse your bible supporting and emphasising the abuse of women,in that Lot presents his virgin daughter's to be RAPED in place of the Angel's? There can only be one explanation why religious people try to excuse this abuse away and that is the deep indoctrination from infancy and the fear of speaking out against religion.
Missyajoke: From sodom and Gomorrah's case in the Bible we can see they've been warned severally by God before God decided to send an angel there. to show you how worst it was if lot hasn't saved the angel the people of s& d would have slept with them. Lot was striking a deal with God that if there were two righteous people in sodom God will forgive them. But God found none that was why Lots and his family escaped.
GENESIS CHAPTER 19 VERSE 8.
So why was Lot offering his two virgin daughters to the men of Sodom and Gomorrah to be raped? Why did Lot not offer himself? Is this not part of the degradation and abuse of women that runs through out the bible? What a sick book!
hargbolahan01: all of you ignorant spreading false story
he was disposed because he tell Bode George to bark to death and he did when Bode disrespected him in Kings meeting...and Bode George was one of awolowo loyalists that even him (awolowo) appointed Bode George as chairman of the Kings council meeting
so go and learn history before you started quoting lies for your fellow ignorant
and besides what do guys gain in tribal war? pls tell me
[quote author=Chrysalism post=89800747][/quote] Brilliant write up. Quite frankly religion is geographical,so where you are born will most likely determine your religious beliefs. Most people have been brainwashed and mind controlled from infancy,such that for them to even have a conversation with an atheist scares them to death. Religious people are mostly intelligent people,until it comes to religion. That is the point where they shut down all forms of intelligence and become mindless,non rational sheep. They see errors in their religious books but choose to turn a blind eye because the book was purportedly written under the inspiration of a god.
HappyPagan: Everyday, I log in here to insult Jesus, God and a host of other divines. People say I am crazy - I agree. I am.. and insulting God is my self-therapy, my healing.
But, obviously, most do not agree.. they think I am going to 'incur' the wrath of God. Some say it's death, others say it may be lightning and thunder - all these got me confused.
So I'm here to ask...what's the wrath of God? And most importantly, how does one incur this wrath? Asking for a friend.....
You are courting the WRATH of god!! Don't ask questions!! Don't think!! Just trust and obey!!!
UnclePrincipal: Bro can you recommend more of this please
Its on YouTube just subscribe to the channel and you will recieve updates. It is a weapon against delusion and brainwashing. Tombstone da deadman channel on YouTube.
OtemAtum: Samuel Chinedum Ekwueme, the son of Samuel Onyemaechi Ekwueme, the husband of Lucy Ekwueme, the father of Raphael Akachukwu Ekwueme, a native of Umuahia, a thief, a scammer, a pastor.
hakeem4: this literally the most fallacious defence line I have ever seen this year. So because you don't agree that these processes can come by natural law, you then attributed it to god? Well I know where your type of argument and it is due to your incredulity. But I hope one day you would understand that god is not needed in any aspect of our lives
It's like you don't know who you are discussing with. No one on these boards puts up more fallacious arguments than butterflylion/butterflyleo.
OpenYourEyes1: GOD won't strike Born Again with the Plague nor allow angel of death strike them.
This is why you need to truely repent, accept JESUS, trust in GOD and you will be saved.
Your bible says you are telling a lie because your god not only strikes the innocent with plagues and afflictions,he equally takes bets/kalokalo/gambles with his pal satan over human lives like a game of draughts or ludo. It is all there in your bible at Job Chapter 2 verses 1-12
JOB 2 1-12. Satan Challenges the Lord Again 2 One day when the sons of God came to stand in front of the Lord, Satan the Accuser came along with them.
2 The Lord asked Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From wandering all over the earth.”
3 The Lord asked Satan, “Have you thought about my servant Job? No one in the world is like him! He is a man of integrity: He is decent, he fears God, and he stays away from evil. And he still holds on to his principles. You’re trying to provoke me into ruining him for no reason.”
4 Satan answered the Lord, “Skin for skin! Certainly, a man will give everything he has for his life. 5 But stretch out your hand, and strike his flesh and bones. I bet he’ll curse you to your face.”
6 The Lord told Satan, “He is in your power, but you must spare his life!”
Job’s Second Crisis 7 Satan left the Lord’s presence and struck Job with painful boils from the soles of his feet to the top of his head. 8 Job took a piece of broken pottery to scratch himself as he sat in the ashes.
9 His wife asked him, “Are you still holding on to your principles? Curse God and die!”
10 He said to her, “You’re talking like a godless fool. We accept the good that God gives us. Shouldn’t we also accept the bad?”
Through all this Job’s lips did not utter one sinful word.
11 When Job’s three friends heard about all the terrible things that had happened to him, each of them came from his home—Eliphaz of Teman, Bildad of Shuah, Zophar of Naama. They had agreed they would go together to sympathize with Job and comfort him.
12 When they saw him from a distance, they didn’t even recognize him. They cried out loud and wept, and each of them tore his own clothes in grief. They threw dust on their heads. 13 Then they sat down on the ground with him for seven days and seven nights. No one said a word to him because they saw that he was in such great pain.
I used to believe that God does not exist, until one day. That day, I read an article which opened my eyes.
That article was about the design in nature. It explains that behind the simless ways our body function and the organs interact with each other, there is an entity that programmed the operation.
Let's look at the digestive system alone. When. You want to eat, the mouth is designed to salivate. Something triggers the body to secret the hormones or enzymes necessary for digestion. Then you start putting the food in your mouth. The mouth is designed by that person to function like a grinding machine, with different types if teeth and your saliva functioning as liquid to mix the food.
Right there in the mouth, some enzymes will also be secreted to aid the breaking down of the food in your body. From the mouth, the entity that designed it has made a conduit - the lungs- to carry the food from the mouth to the intestines. Some food will go through the small intestine, some, will go to the large intestine. Yet, the food does not miss road. They engineering made by someone in our body to takes care of that.
Lest I forget, remember that there are two passages from the mouth area to the internal organs, yet the food knows which passage is its own. It doesn't take the passage meant for oxygen.
The food goes down through our intestines, and the maker has kept some enzymes inside there to further digest that food. After doing that, the engineer who made the body has made some sieves or organs like foam in the body to absorb the nutrients the body will use, and sieve away unwanted food substances.
The way the body absorbs and converts nutrients from food into useful forms is another highly technical process, that cannot happen by accident. Someone or something arranged it to function seamlessly.
Then, the body transports the rejected food waste through some organs ( I'm not a scientist, so don't mind my layman explanation) that will lead it to the anus.
At this stage, the person's brain is made by the maker to make the person feel tht he wants to pass out on the food waste - faeces. The person looks for a nearby restroom and pours out the food materials rejected by the body.
Hence, the body has successfully taken the energy it needs to stay alive from food, and has removed the rest from the body, so that it doesn't cause problem inside the body.
This is just one of the many highly complex arrangements somebody put in our body for it to work well. You may choose to call that somebody creator, or any name you like. But it is clear that someone somewhere made this human body and arranged how it will work.
yanabasee1: And our tithing pastors claimed that the government r fused them the opportunity to open churches to lead prayers or go on visit to isolation centres to perform miracles....
Unknown to them, the government is only avoiding more cases..
Actually the government knows the pastors are bluffing and lying. The government does not want the pastors to be disgraced because the government needs religion to help control the minds of the masses. Oyakhilome,Oyedepo and Adeboye know that the day they attempt to visit any isolation centre for covid 19 is the day they will be totally exposed as frauds that they are. They are only bluffing in order to keep their sheep in check!
Eulalia: At the center of it all Its you that I see There is power in your name Miracles happen in your name.
You are bigger Bigger than the biggest You are stronger stronger than the strongest You are higher Higher than the highest You are greater Greater than the greatest
Jesus!!!!! Jesus !!!!! Jesus!!!! Sing till fades...
Ijawwomaninoyo: Why did you call someone's mother "Silly" but don't want same for yourself?
How would you like it if I decide to start insulting your parents over an argument between me and you? Do you feel you are secure behind your phone/laptop?
Ijawwomaninoyo: I am your mother's mate, you entered into my mention to tell me I am silly? Did I quote you in the first place? Why did you enter my mention? You people think everyone here is your mate?
I am quite sure I am older than you. I am quite sure my first and second sons are older than you so why try to insult my mother?⁰
Ijawwomaninoyo: It is called Comprehension and Assimilation deficiencies.
If you are not comprehending properly then I cant help you. The question I asked is if she watched the video at all which I know she didn't before making her comment because there were more than 50 people crammed into that church!