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Alethea,

Not to derail, it was Joseph geobbles' strategy.

He was the chief propagadist that came up with the idea of a repetitive lie to make it sound true.

It seems to work tho, judging from this thread.

Lol,

Once again, ignorant folks,

Since this is in relation to the title everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I repeat, your scare tactics only affects your myopic minds. Africa will always be behind as we seem to exalt personality rather than purpose or ethics.

As much as what the boko haram did is despicable, how come this "man of God" waited till one of his business centet get affected to respond. Reminds me of corrupt politicians reacting only when a member of their family gets involved.

"Man of God" my backside, my ultimate deference is for God only and not to a mere man that would rot in the ground Luke any other person.

Ignorant folks!!


Where you there to witness his ordination?
Did you see God there?

All your silly scare tactics only applies to your myopic minds

Lack of exposure and mystic nonsense has blinded your thinking faculty.

Read about jim jones and the Pea.do.Phile "pastor" odulele to realise how these fakers are just robbing your minds of enlightenment.

Are we not all children of God? Wtf is "Man of God"

Ghandi impacted the world more than your fraudsters,  And his humility is widely known,  But you won't see that because he was not rich,  But hey, such is the African way.

Why did he wait for his church to be affected b4 he started cursing?

He is no God,  and not immune to criticism. He is nothing but mere man like anybody.

Or is he immune from death?

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Man of God is now equal to God.

What has cursing them got to do with solving the national crisis?

How is he different from any other corrupt politician that takes advantage of people.

Why did he wait for his church (business centre) to be affected before he started cursing?

Let him go to maiduguri to curse them if they won't lynch his head.

Infiltration and killing of sponsors.

Africa will always be backward.

You crack me up, lol

I did not ask you the country it took place, I asked you if you were present when this miracle occured.

So, again, were you present to witness this miracle?

Joagbajee:
If you're not of God you will deny the lordship of Jesus .

i will judge your prophecy by the word .  Firstly ,I'm not following MEN. But if  it's to follow the leadership or teaching  of a pastor you refer to as following men. It's not wrong. Paul asked his members to following him.

Sighs.

Joagbajee:
you're very polite with me these days o. Wetin happen?

We only differ in views, I have nothing against you as you are free to believe what you want to believe.

Joagbajee:
3. OFFICE: This has to do with  the call of God upon certain individuals. Who have been anointed as leaders over ther others. And this is what we are talking about . It is in regards to this office we are dealing with.  Those who function in such offices such as pastors, apostles ,prophets  etc are heads and rulers in The church. They must be respected by the virtue of the office. Because of the anointing for that office.

Ok. If I start a church tomorrow with greedy intentions, and I happen to be very successful. Portraying the "Man of God" image and at the same time indulge in unscrupulous shenanigans. Some people notice this hypocrisy, should they keep mute because they are under the assumption that God called me to office? or should they confront me rather than let me damage the image of Christianity?

My point is, should we now assume that everybody that leads a church congregation, regardless of size, has been called to that office by God?

Including those "Men of God" who have led people to mas suicide,  Men who have molested children of their members, Men who have slept with some female members, Men who have destroyed marital homes.

Joagbajee:
I've been waiting for frosbel, what I'm trying to make him understand is that there are three phases of the anointing .

1. ELECTION or call of God. Being chosen, Every christian falls into this category . But there is a higher level.

Says who?  If I come out and claim to be on a higher level, would you just believe me?  How would you tell if I am  a Charlatan?

Joagbajee:
2. ABILITY :  Infilling of the holy spirit.  Now every christian don't have this. after a man gets born again, he needs to receive the holy spirit which grants him enduement of power.

How can you differentiate those who have the holy spirit and those who fake it? For example, What if I tell you the holy spirit is instructing me to warn you, Joagbaje, not to keep following MEN but to only follow your lord only? How will you discern the genuineness of my  "Holy Spirit"?

@joagbaje

I don't know the answer to the question, so if you care to explain, pls do.

However, do you mean Chris has the "infilling" while some people don't?

Do you have some special vision to ascertain when an individual has this spirit?


By the way, how come you have not answered my question in the "rain miracle" thread?

Joagbajee:
It's God.

2 Corinthians 1:21
21 Now he which stablisheth us [/b]with you in Christ, and hath anointed [b]us, is God;

Did that scripture not specify "US" in the text?

Did the text say oyahkilome or Oyedepo or T.b Joshua or a "chosen few"?, it said "US".

So, stop elevating your fellow MAN, only God deserves such elevation.

Azibalua:

I thought as much. The only correction needed in that post was a typo error "Varsity" instead of "versity",  a very clear typo error.   and if you can't deduce that simple mistake, what is  the point  exchanging anything with you.


You are not worth it.

( Its because of folks like you  Chris is in business).  Grow some brains and he will be  broke. Fact.

Correct the grammar then.

The maggots are out to defend the butterfly.

@ Azibula,

Did they not teach you in whatever versity you attended not to answer a question with another question?

The onus is on you to prove the "anointment" as I am the one disproving the ridiculous claim of anointment because it is not something you see with the Unclad eyes.

Joagbajee:
^^^^
so you will call your pastor brood of viper?

People get the bible wrong and use it to their own damnation. It takes an anointed man to rebuke an anointed man.[/b]I'm talking about being anointed into an office.  Jesus was an apostle, paul was an apostle. John was a prophet . They had authority by the virtue of their office to rebuke.  

This is not thesame as individual Christians exhibiting their carnality by  insulting [b]anointed men. This is purely against bible teachings.

Romans 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Even paul had to apologise for insulting the high priest out of provocation. Even though the high priest did wrong.

Where you there when this "MEN" where annointed? How do you know their annointement is from God?       Should every Tom, manliness and harry that calls the name of JESUS be regarded as anointed?

Dude you are free to worship "MEN" , just stop expecting others to conform to your subordination.


Note my emphasis on MEN, they poo like the rest of us, they were born like the rest of us,  and guess what?,  they'll die like the rest of us. Because at the end of the day,  THEY ARE NOT GOD BUT MERE men THAT WERE PUSHED OUT OF THEIR MOTHER'S WOMB JUST LIKE YOU AND I

Pls Mr, where is the miracle in the video?

Ppl antagonise miracles because of folks like you that falsifies it.

Pls do answer my question, where you present when this "miracle" happened?

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@Joagbajee

Are you aware that it is possible for the sun to shine and rain to pour at the same time?

It is called a "SUN SHOWER"


Seriously C'mon.  This  is just plain silliness coupled with Ignorance

Were you there when this "miracle" occurred?

@ Tonye-t

The topic of Pastor Chris is very subjective and it depends upon each individual to judge the impact he has on them.

I respect your view of this man and you are wholly entitled to your opinion.

As for me, I just don't subscribe to the type of "personality cult"  built around him that seems to elevate him more than Christ. However, it's another debate on how much control he has on the elevation bestowed on him. He might be innocent and he might enjoy the ego massaging.

I dis-agree with a notion in your last paragraph in which you state that ", he is impacting more lives than all the business people and the world presidents put together".

To me that is a sentimental statement because there are lots of Business people who make impacts in the world, it all depend on your definition of "impact".
Steve jobs has impacted more lives with his "I" brand and Bill gates, in my opinion, impacts more lives with his  humanitarian acts which is evident on his foundation's website.

Finally, I respect your view of the man, however, I personally refuse to give so much deference to any "MAN", pastor or business man, GOD is the only the entity in which I give so much adoration and respect.  While I respect the humbleness exhibited by Christ during his lifetime as described in the bible.

Cheers.

The subject of interpol intervention is dependent upon it's issuer. Genocide, severe human rights violations and political interest coupled with serious misconduct are part of the considerations interpol must consider as well. If ibb was out of the country, it is then up to the Nigerian government to issue an Interpol warrant.

Government financial misconduct is generally an internal affair which is difficult for a corrupt government to deal with hence the reason ibb is still roaming free.

Cooger,  dude try and get your facts straight and don't indulge in the same "rumour mongering" you accuse others of.

Berezsosky is not in prison but an asylum seeker in the uk after fleeing Russia to avoid persecution from a political foe, Putin.

By the way, you did not reply my question accurately. I asked how many HEADS of state have been sentenced for corruption, instead you replied with a regional leader and and "cronies".

How judicial system is weak, however I still respect your opinion if you feel different.

Atleast agree that the Nigerian governance system is corrupt and has been for a while, moreso when ibb was at its helms.

@ Cooger

I admire the fact that you state you don't want to be involved in "rumour mongering" as you state.

So, lets state the facts.

How many Past "Head of State", military or Civilized has ever been sentenced for corruption in Nigeria by a "Proper court"?

By the way, Roman Abramovich is part of the corrupt Oligarchs that benefited from the corrupt government of Boris Yeltsin, who presided over one of the most corrupt regimes in history. Abramovich got help from his God-father Boris Berezsosky who is presently suing him for not paying his" God-fatherly" royalties.

And that is no rumour.

Cooger, c'mon

Arisekola is a business man that benefitted from a corrupt government.

Ibb was a career military man that was not convicted because of the corrupt and weak judicial system in Nigeria.


You know this, why are you just ignoring those facts?

@ Joagbaje

I bet you were not expecting these  sort of responses. Too bad for you.


People are getting smarter, but then again judging from the video, most are not.


Africa is still very far behind, and you part of the reason.

Some are good role models,

TO FRAUDSTERS.

Yup, I'll be objective.



I'll use reason to judge based on what I see and what the establishment owns.

stagger:
I can give you records of what the church that has a jet has done in that regard, with money from the pockets of its members. Let us know what you have done before you come here to demonstrate brazxen idiocy and poverty of reasoning.

Is it possible to share the records pls?

joyuchesun:
I am not a doctor, so I would not be able to tell you step by step how it happened. But, it began with a Fluid fertilizing an egg. If for you, this is so magnificent and awe inspiring that you choose to explain it by saying that it was ordained by the God of the bible. That is the best explanation that works for you. That is great! But, it does not mean it is true. But it works for you and that is fine.

But while showing this clip, you must also keep in mind all of the babies that were killed in the bible by the God of the bible, all of the women who cannot have children and pray to the God of the bible every day with no success, all of the babies who are born deformed, sick, or dead. You must also attribute these things to that God and post those videos also.

Again, if your explanation works for you that is fine. It does not make it true. But we can accept that this is your chosen path for your time here on earth, why are you unable to accept the path chosen by others?

Very valid points.
As much as I agree with some of Frosbel's posts, its the bolded "Joyuchesun's" post I find most saddening. Why can't we respect and tolerate other people's choices as we would want them to accomodate ours?

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And who told you they did not use it

I agree with your notion Jo,


And I don't agree with you a lot, but I commend you for this,

However we must expose fraudulent, manipulative or destructive individuals regardless of their faith especially within one's own faith.

Pathetic!!!!!

My God is better than your God.