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A man of God can raise the dead, cure the sick, bring about prosperity yet cannot guarantee his own safety.

lol

The bible is the most abused book in history. Even a mad man can justify his madness in the bible. All he has to do is get some brainless people (God, they are so much on this thread), and give them his own meaning. And these zombies would digest it.

@Ogajim,earswide and zikky

How do you think those suicide bombers kill themselves, someone has quoted the quran to them and assured them they would go to heaven. the mind can be very gullible. So i'm not surprised here, ppl condoning frauds and using the bible to justify themselves. not a new thing. This same bible was used as a justification to enslave our forefathers.

@ donnie

google is the most used site in the world, and it is a very valid source for research, so pls ignore your bigotry and expose yourself to the realities of the world

99.9% of Nigerian Pastors are Frauds,
They feed on the ignorance, angst and expectations of people.


Oyedepo has been preaching prosperity for years, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN HIS CONGREGATION HAS JETS?

A critical mind should then wonder, who then is being prospered?

something is wrong with the average Nigerian PSYCHE. Poverty and Exposure plays a big role.


very sad.

dude common,


am not igbo, but somebody's son/brother/uncle/ family died.


RESPECT FOR HUMANITY IS NOT A SIGN WEAKNESS, DISREGARD FOR IT IS NOT A SIGN OF STRENGHT.

race and tribe is a state of the mind, we all still bleed blood.

@ thehomer

that dude just keeps surprising me. Imagin using a Kennedy line and then attributing it to God. Pathetic.


@ Joaagbaje

How do you know what is on God's mind? did he confide in you.

@ Post

the concept of religion never failed anyone it's the humans that handles these concepts that abuse and inevitably fail themselves.

It is such a futile effort trying to reason with ignorant minds, But I'll give it a go.


These men of God stand in their pulpits and tell us how God spoke to them to pass on informations to us, Fair enough.
These men of God stand in front of congregation and perform miracles, i.e cripple walk, blind see, hiv disappears, cancer gone, and in the case of Joagbaje raise the dead, Fair enough.
These men of God are God's flag bearers with whom he has bestow his absolute powers on them to share his glory.

Then these same Men are scared (or why do they need security) about unknown that may happen that they seek refuge in humans inform of Security uniform.

Talk about double standards.

Are we talking about the same mighty God? The mighty God that can cause earthquake in the twinkle of an eye. Yet God's flag bearers are worried about earthly consequences. Why are they afraid that they don't want to see heaven quickly?


Jokers.

Azibalua:
It is silly enough to conclude that any pastor with a guard is a fraud
Why do we have locks on our doors and yet believe we have angels on guard?
It's simple,it's because we must make it as difficult as possible for a theif  to strike,so it is with guards
And also its ones choice to make

You know what is actually silly?
Your inability to connect with logic. However, belief in angels is different to people who claim to have a mandate from the Almighty. People who claim to speak to God, People who claim God instruct them to buy Jets.

Why on Earth do they need earthly security when they have discussions with the heavenly authority? The omnipotent. the one that knows all.

And you refer to me as silly?


God Help us.

If it talks like a Fraud, Sounds like a Fraud, behaves like a Fraud, Sighs



My brothers, it is a Fraud.



also, if it types like a Fraud.

If you are in the spirit of Giving, Give the less privilegde.  It makes more sense. These guys are just devising new methods of robbing people.

But if it looks like a fraud, smells like a fraud, sounds like a fraud, THEN IT IS A FRAUD.

Only fraudsters would defend other FRAUDSTERS.
Pathetic people.

Look at the so-called Christians' replies


You are all HYPOCRITES, ALL OF YOU.


DEMONS INDEED, when someone says his mind about his feelings, he has demons. 

Have you seen or heard a demon before? Micuilles?

Pretenders.

Brisingr:
so if my pastor na oga 4 chevron and me na just a humbly clerk my pastor na fraud ?

Pls read the first post.

To answer your question, no.

Why, he already has a job and he is very independent therefore not enriching himself from you and your congregations sweats.

He becomes a Fraud if he starts accumulating from you or the congregations labour.

Image123

I really question your morality, and i'm surprised at some of your comments.

Pls tell me, what is wrong in alerting fellow people to raise their consciousness about fraudulent pastors? Are you one of them?

Someone said he raised the dead on nairaland you jumped to his defence

Someone warns other people about fraudulent pastors you say "wetin we no go hear for nairaland"

Pls whose side are you on?

tomimy:
nonsense argument. go and read mal 3:6-11

6For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

7Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

[b][b] 8Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.

Meanwhile, you except someone that serves the living God who owns the heaven and earth to be poor when he said the silver and Gold are mine.

In a church that has good structure, the pastor doesnt see the your peanut tithe. he only does on paper.
people bless the men of God by Prophets offering and some of them have businesses here and there.


Go and repent.

Senseless post/poster, The pastor does not need my "peanut tithe", yet he needs Prophets offering, what the hell is that anyway?


Am I spoiling your Business?

If your Pastor/Reverend/Bishop or whatever title they give themselves is richer than you, and he/she/they did not have a profitable Business or (indepedent financially) prior to starting the church, then he is a Fraud.


Please prove me wrong.

A pastor without no initial business that he started prior to starting the church and is richer than you is a FRAUD.

Joagbaje:
It was in another thread. I drove pass his body lying by road side.( I later learnt he has been there for 4 days) I had thought he was dead. I reversed and came down . I obseved he was breathing . I got people to carry him in to my car to the hospital. I finally got someone who recognised him to go and call his family members. While the doctors and nurses attended to him. But When the family came they in the bid to shift blame from themselves began to blame him. That he had mental problem. " he dey crase , na so e dey run commit for house" etc. On hearing this, the doctor refused to admit him. But it took intercession in prayer before God touched there heart. He was finally admitted , they bandaged his body and tied him with ropes on a bed.  I didnt give up on his case because I had heard God well.

I later learn that he was a brilliant boy in school and they did juju on him etc. Following day Or so, i prayed for him and rebuked the demon of insanity. I also led him to christ. And few days after,  I heard that he was the one leading prayers in the hospital ward. He was healed.

If what you say is True I commend you for helping the boy.
Though i disagree with the explanations of your first story(Raising the dead), I give you Kudos for helping the boy. I seriously do.

Who took the pix by the way? Innocent question.

Joagbaje:
was this half dead man who was healed of insanity's case proven by telephone

What exactly did you do to this man ?

If you helped him to the Hospital, I REALLY COMMEND YOU.

Was he dead? and did you raise him from the dead?

What is this man's story,, I'm genuinely interested.

Joagbaje:
You simply misunderstood my post. She was taken to hospital when she rose. She had bled to death. They needed to transfuse her with blood . Didn't you observe when Jesus raised the dead ,they had to give him food ?

Sounds like she fainted to me.

@ JO

you need to realise you are not talking to your congregation. You are not talking to desperate people looking for misplaced hope. You are not talking to gullible  people.

So, save all those pathetic stories for your church members. You make religion look bad.

phxc:
Jesus is the only way to God
God is the only way to me
Therefore, Jesus is the only way to me

So if you find God, you've not yet reached your final destination.

Did you make a mistake when writing this??

Have you read it again?
How does it sound to you?


If i find God I have not reached the final destination? Is there anything/anyone beyond God?

Religion and confusion, they go hand in hand



Sigh

Misconstrued and miscommunication.

Lets just kiss and make-up, fig of speech.


By the way,,can the car dealers on the board give me a price on 2003-2005 eod.

Since this is the auti section anyway.

Thanks

Any pastor that has a body guard is a FRAUD.

What is he scared of that he does not want to meet his Maker.

Since thay claim God speaks to them, wont you expect that God would warn them if anything bad is about to happen.

I'm including the pope too.

Emigma,

Thanks you for your post. I have read some of your contributions and I am satisfied with some views.

Atleast it's better than the vague answer this author provided.

However, I still find it funny we still look at the situation from the Christianity lens, which to me sound rather bias.
But i agree with majority of the quote. I think several ways lead to God. Your mind and actions is what matters not the mediator.

Thanks for your reply.


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Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.

Pastor Ade,

I asked you politely very clearly written questions, You gave me an ambivalence answer, Pls check the meaning.

It's really unfair, rather than admit you have know idea honestly, you just revealed your inadequacy.


Did our ancestors know christ?
The era of abraham, did they know christ?
Do people in other countries with their doctrines faith, do they all know christ?
A little child of a mulsim/pagan when they die, do they know Christ?

All these people above, pls what is/was the way for them when they die?


Yet your reply suggest only christ is the way.  Do you notice the flaw in your answer? Atleast the Christain in you should admit the truth.     

SHAME.

If it looks like a fraud, smells like a fraud, feels like a fraud, GUESS WHAT?

@ Harakiri

I am aware of the futility involved in dealing with ignorant minds. But I have learnt a great deal from contributions on these forums,  merits and demerits. From debates you learn quite a lot, i come to this forum not to only debate about views but to gain knowlegde as to why people have differents views.


But what i will not do is to CALL A SPADE A HOE, as it is on this particular issue. I enjoy your contributions, even though i might not agree with some views i still look at it constructively and think later.

If only these ignorant folks have the idea of the vast traditions,religion and cultures in the world they wont lay claim that only one way leads to salvation.

I think we need to open a new thread and share our ideals and views on a real level, not all these feudal raising the dead rubbish. Whenever you are ready.

Now I KNOW your mentality.

Pictures won't convince me. His facebook page (as he had suggested, yet fail to produce )inundated with appreciation from people aknowlegding this miracle is more sensible than calling a
random/faceless person to confirm a ridiculous claim.


But i question your jugdements, I did not pre-empt this situation so i will not take any silly action like you suggested, pls be aware I'm not the one accused of deceit so i have nothing to prove to you.

The person in question has kept numb and refused to supply any substantial evidence to his claim, I refuse to believe a person who who claims to raise the dead and clearly has a motive (Deceit) just to support his claim of divinity.

Yes I am all words no action, what do i need action for, I'm not the person with claims to raise the dead. Let him pre-empt the action, He is the one with something to prove.

Atleast doubting Thomas changed his mind after seeing more evidences.


You just don't want to accept it, MAJORITY USE THE NAME OF GOD/ALLAH/JESUS IN VAIN. and this is no exception, TELL HIM TO PROVE ME WRONG.

@ Image123

True he gave a name and phone number,  Fair enough.

I cant call a strange person for whatever reason and ask that nonsense. It sounds ridiculous just as his claims

He mentioned that his facebook is inundated with proves about his personality. Since we are all on the Internet, wouldn't it be sensible to give us the link and shut us up for good.

Dude, any Tom, D, ick and harry can give any number and provide a silly alibi. He could be the one for all we know, or do we know how he sounds.


You my friend you need to raise your mentality, Forgive me if i refuse to belive someone who says he raised someone from the dead on the Internet of all places.

Why do you always feel the need to defend people/ideas/claims just becuase they mention the name Christ.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ABUSED THAT NAME.

What are we to say. "Hello, we heard on the internet that JOAGAJE raised one of your family members is it true? ,  Do you know how silly that sounds?
Give us the facebook link, that's easier for the doubters to access.

I refuse to belive anybody just beacuse they call the name Jesus Christ.

You said, especially when we have so many people using 'cheat browsing' or free MByte to say anything awoof .Use your money, do investigation, catch them red-handed or something, all this oshofree blackmanmentality is so 'depressing'", 
That sounds so ignorant. Do you know how everyone browses?


By the way, who told you that belief is righteousness.

Hello Pastor,

I have a lot of things i don't understand and i find it hard to comprehend with statements, But rather than just sit down and accept whatever i'm being told i prefer to ask questions and debate and learn through that process.

Firstly, I disagree with that notion that Jesus is the only way to God. Why? Because I feel it's an inconsiderate statement and very bias.
Please explain to me, what happened to our ancestors that were not exposed to christianity before it's advent?. What happens to the dead people before christ? What happens to other Good people of other faiths when they die?

If you cant answer those questions accurately, then it's fair to say that your comment is irrational.

I'm not an Athiest that tries to rationalise everything, But i just feel statements like "Jesus is the Only way to God" is very incorrect. Both you and I have not died and come back to give an attestation on the requirements to Heaven.

Pls indulge me.
Thanks.

Me, I'm still waiting for the facebook link,

Anything otherwise, then you are as fake as your story. And you are part of the problems of Africa and religion.




How can you tell Niaraland about your "miracle"  but fail to tell the Media.          You guys give Hypocrisy a new meaning.


By the way can you raise my dead Grandma,I miss her dearly.

jamesugo:
Elikiba, Bishop established the church, so what ever comes in through the church remains his.
Moreover, the jet is not for his own selfish use but for evangelism which he may not even be part of.

As for the case of Jonathan (for example), he is not the owner of Nigeria.He is serving us so should not take laws into his own hands.

no comment.

very interesting article. Only wish alot of people would reflect on it and learn a thing or two.


@JOAGBAJE.


I am really amazed at some of your comments and ideals. You are a really funny character. And i dont mean funny in a fun way.


You need to look at things objectively too, and without sentiments