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@ Papido

How can you compare Dangote  with Oyedepo??


IS DANGOTE COLLECTING ISLAMIC DONATIONS AND TITHES, WHAT IS WRONG with YOU?

Pls stop justifying insanity. it makes you sound insane.

@ Papido

The fact that we are getting milk from the Cow does not mean we should call him UNCLE Cow.

you said "Oyedepo has transformed and impacted the face of christianity globally". Do you know the meaning of Global?
lol, Majority in the United Kingdom don't know him. His influence is only much in SW Nigeria and little pockets around Africa. But Globally? are you serious?

what abt Serbia,Greece, uzbekista, Afghanistan,Barbados, Seychelles, Cuba, croatia, slovakia, slovania, venezuela, and hundreds more, do they know oyedepo? So what do you mean by GLOBALLY?

Papido:
I have read every comment in this discourse because I am deeply concerned. Incidentally, i work and live in Canaanland. I have been here for over 6years. I have read the comments for and against the 4th Jet purchase. I can understand the anger of those against it and i can also understand the loyalty of those in defence of the man of God. This is my position as a first hand observer. While I personally cannot defend the rationale behind owning 4 jets, I can say authoritatively that Oyedepo is a very prudent man. for instance, some of those jets are somewhat self financing. He operates a chartered air service under the name DOMIAIR. In other words, if you have the cash, any nairalander or church member can charter these jets for a fee. So tell me, if he owns 10 jets and they are self financing, don't you think that makes business sense? It's like buying and hiring out multiple okada to others. through this, you employ others and increase your own income level. If he were using them all by himself, then i submit that it is an obcene display of wealth. Someone else will question why he has founded businesses as a preacher. I cannot answer that question on his behalf but this much i can offer. Oyedepo has transformed and impacted the face of christianity globally. He has done what no one else has dared. That's what makes him a pioneer and an entrepreneur. His business sense exceeds that of most of our conventional businessmen. Dangote may be touted as Africa's richest man but we all experienced how he was scampering about the last time Sanusi harassed borrowers. He owed in billions without collateral. The depositors' moneys could have been lost had Sanusi not done that. Oyedepo has not borrowed a dime and keeps asking publicly for anyone he owes to come forward.

I also do not believe that over 100,000 worshippers are being defrauded by him. Abraham Lincoln said ''YOU CAN FOOL SOME OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. YOU CAN ALSO FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME BUT YOU CANNOT FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME'' These people are no fools and if there is some fraud, he would have been uncovered in his 30years of operation. when you enter Canaanland, you will open your mouth in awe and wonder where all these people (members) got their money from.  There are poor people there, yes, but there are thousands of quiet millionaires there too and many of them are business wizards who will not be fooled all the time. one of such prominent members is the MD of eTranzact (who by the way is a billionaire). i have seen Omotola (the actress) there a couple of times.

In conclusion, having observed him at close quarters, i know this man is a genuine man of God. However, he is also a human being who is susceptible to human error and misadvice just like you and I. I cannot begin to tell of my angry experiences as an employee over some of his policies but in all, I am grateful because I feed my family by working in one of his businesss establishments. And like every pioneer of a strange work, Oyedepo has seen his fair share of criticisms. The Jesus Christ we mentioned was attacked sorely and even killed in His days but today we all celebrate Him, Christians and Muslims alike. Pioneers experience terrible opposition in their days but their messages reverberate in generations following. Because Jesus' life was cut short (Just 3.5yrs) of operation, none of us can say that Jesus would not have bought a jet were He on earth today. The fact that people are poor does not say that someone else shouldn't ride a jet. How many of us that are critisizing him in this forum have decided to sell our houses and live outside (just because there are homeless people living under Oshodi bridge)? None I suppose. I will be glad to offer more insights on this subject (as an insider) if need be.

@Papido
@ Papido,

your response has been the most responsible i have seen from the Oyedepo apologist so far, Thank you for your insight and response. You sound honest.

But you also sound bias. It's natural since you are attached to his establishment. But please i disagree with some points you raised so permit me to discuss further.
You said," The fact that people are poor does not say that someone else shouldn't ride a jet". You miss the point,, we are not talking of anybody, we are talking about a man who calls himself God's messenger. There should be no poor person in is vicinity if he has money to get get a jet. hence the contradiction.

you also said "How many of us that are critisizing him in this forum have decided to sell our houses and live outside" , pls how many of us has claimed to be Men of God?. How many of us has raised anybody's hope? How many of us get the donation of innocent people with promise of prosperity? Your analogy is simple not relevant to the present situation.

You said "I cannot begin to tell of my angry experiences as an employee over some of his policies but in all, I am grateful because I feed my family by working in one of his businesss establishments". Good you acknowledge some of his wrong policies, but your bias set in because of your livelihood, which puts us best to give a constructive critique of him without bias.

to be cont.

I'll wait till the end of all elections to judge him further. But as for what I've been seeing and hearing so far, its been progressive (aside from some minor issues), so I'll give him that. Kudos

Amujale:
Can we find  10000+ righteous Nigerians? YES!

Since you are in the Uk why don't we try  an experiment? Get £20000 and send it to 10 out of that "10000+ righteous Nigerians" to start a business on your behalf, And lets see how many would be sincere to you, sorry to be pessimistic, but it's the reality.

pls can you do this?

lionness:
looks like its photo-shopped. shame of oshimole's family. how can he dress out like that

Comments like that regress our society. Pls, is he going to a party to dress differently?

Do ppl just comment for comment sake.

Beaf:
No, shame on you! How can you not see progress and accept it. I am not ACN leaning, but Oshiomole's action is highly commendable.
We need leaders that will listen to us and mingle with us, and a new breed is being born.
Fresh Air is blowing through Nigeria!

@beaf

I have always been surprised by some of your posts, and I disagree with some of your methods of aggressive persuasion, but i really commend your non-partisan view on this matter. I'm really impressed. Pls continue with this progressive attitude, whenever we see a spade lets call it a spade, regardless of our affiliation.
Kudos.

ssumpta:
You are the 'reetard'.  For believing that you can reason for 1 million people who are living the faith, with your rattlebrain!
You are not even a member of the church. You ignorant jew!

How has your ranting on some social networking site changed the figures in Living Faith account?

People are getting saved, liberated and empowered. If you don't like it, wait till judgment day. Only thing is,  that day , you won't be standing before God accusing Bishop Oyedepo. U'll be there pleading for your own self-righteous misguided a**e.

How do you know where he would stand on jugdement day? Did God speak to you? Do you know which side you would stand?
How come you can reason for those who are getting saved, liberated, and empowered?


So who is the 'reeeetard'?

@ sensible folks

Ignorant people should never impose their feudal ideologies on us. We must never accept. So sane mindS should keep asking questions, that's the only way to expose them.

Did Jesus need  5000 horses to spread the gospel? He had everyright to request it as he was genuine, performing miracles everyone could see.

What does a pastor need private jets for? When kids are dying of hunger in Nigeria/Africa / world.

This is not what jesus died for. To get one of his messengers cruising around in jets while his other children are dying of hunger around the world.

l recommend this book for u------Prosperity by Fredrick K.C price, Gods will is properity by Gloria copland
pls go get dis books and deliver urself from dark knowlede



Whate qualifies these books to be the source of good knowlegde?

newman5203:
WEALTH IS NOT A STATE,IT IS AN ATTITUDE.THE WORDS OF A MAN DESCRIBES THE WEALTH OF HIS INNER-MAN,A WISE MAN SAID LIGHT TRAVELS FASTER THAN SOUND THAT IS WHY MANY SEEM BRIGHT UNTIL YOU HEAR THEM SPEAK.

THE REASON WHY D WORDS OF MANY ARE EMPTY IS AS A RESULT OF THERE EMPTINESS IN HEART,FOR OUT OFF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKETH.
THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST HIM HV SPOKEN OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE POVERTY IN THERE HEART.PERIOD!!!!

dude you are missing the point, The above applies to self-made wealthy people that have made money with their brain and integrity not from donations. His role and responsibilities are the criticism I have of him. Is the man responsible to impact th world with the teachings of God?
Malaria and diseases are plagues in Africa, is he aware? If so, what has done and doing? Has helped to the level thAt he feels it's ok to now buy a jet, since these problems have disappeared.
Bill gates wife travels around AFrica to donate Money to AIds and malaria victims.
drogba built an hospital In is home country.
Mother Theresa set up orphanages.
AfricA receive billions in aids from western countries.
What is our African pastor doing? Building a non-free school? And having four jets. Where there are some nigerians dying from inadequate healthcare.

So it's jets the man of GOd needs. Has GOd forgotten the other less priviledge masses? So GOd can't direct him to these ppl. What does he discuss with God?

Birbeck university, united kingdom, history/politics/ philosophy. Attending.

So what are you trying to prove?

btw me and you who is best to analyse the situation.

newman5203:
IF IT IS 4 PERSONAL USE AND SO WAT?

kENNETH COPLAND
CREFLO DOLLAR
JOYCE MEYER
MIKE MURDOCK
FREDRICK K.C PRICE
BENNY HINN
PAULA WHITE
ALL HV PRIVATE JETS
RECENTLY kENNETH COPLAND GAVE AWAY THE 27TH JET ARE A SEED.IF U ARE GETTING MAD because IT IS 4 PRIVATE USE U
AND YOUR GENERATION YET UNBORN MIGHT NO HAVE ONE

people like you make black people look bad. Get youself educated or exposed. You are too ignorant.

@ oyedepo apologist,

you are the misinformed, you display the very  problem wrong with our continent?

Please is this what Jesus would have done. Build unversities and charge those amount?
Would Jesus have four jets to ease traffic just because the church can afford it?
Please what about the hungry children in Nigeria/Africa/world.
People always coming on tv to plead for money for operations.
People live in abject poverty.

But hey, these issues dont concern the pastors. These impoverished people don't need the money. They only need prayers abi? Prayers would come down and feed/cloth/provide for them.

This man would have four jets knowing fully well that there are still problems in Nigeria/Africa/ world that money can solve.
So what is his purpose as a man of God.

Is God like that? Have his servant have 4 jets but knows that  there are some kids in Africa dying to just have a biscuit to keep them alive.

Is our God like that?

please doomsdays foreseers,

How will the world end?

Our ancestors waited for the end, I guess its our turn to keep waiting,

Keep consoling yourselves.


Olaagbedu I thought we were discussing some issues before, what's happening?

@ ronaldo


Thank you for inviting me to Canaan land, but I can't come to a church where one of its member believes Jesus would acquire 4 jets.  

Jesus would use the money and try to feed the hungry people around the world. He would not rest till everybody around world is comfortable. He would give his life for what he believed in. (That's what he did). So maybe your Jesus would buy a private Jet. But the Jesus in the bible has more humility.
.
So keep your ticket money, or better still donate it towards another Jet for your Pastor.

@ C ronaldo
Pls what is the purpose of using this Man as a reference?

The Kenneth Copeland Airport is a private airport established by Kenneth Copeland Ministries to serve the area of Fort Worth, Texas.[14]

In 2007 Copeland was accused of using his $20 million Cessna Citation X jet for personal vacations and friends.[15] The Copelands' financial records are not publicly available, and a list of the Board of Directors is not accessible as these details are protected and known confidentially by the Internal Revenue Service.[16] Responding to media questions, Copeland pointed to an accounting firm's declaration that all jet travel complies with federal tax laws.[16]

In December 2008, Copeland's 1998 Cessna Bravo 550, his second jet, valued at $3.6 million, was denied tax exemption after Copeland refused to submit to disclosure laws for the state of Texas


Senate investigationOn November 6, 2007, United States Senator Chuck Grassley, Republican of Iowa, announced an investigation of Copeland's ministry by the United States Senate Committee on Finance. The Associated Press reported that Grassley said the investigation was a response to complaints from the public and news media. Grassley stated, "The allegations involve governing boards that aren't independent and allow generous salaries and housing allowances and amenities such as private jets and Rolls Royces." [18] IRS guidelines require that pastors' compensation be "reasonable" and net earnings may not benefit any private individual.[19] Grassley asked for the ministry to divulge financial information [20] (Grassley's letter)[21] to the committee to determine if Copeland made any personal profit from financial donations, and requested that Copeland's ministry make the information available by December 6, 2007. The Copelands responded with a "Financial report from Kenneth Copeland Ministries."[22] KCM created a website to help explain their side of the inquiry.[23]

Dude you are very delusional, lol everybody pls look at the person he said i should research, pointless talking to you, Your ignorance is worse than that of the cave man, Atleast the caveman can differentiate btw right and wrong, Good riddance to you

ps.

The size of your church means nothing. Hitler moved a whole country into believing they are mighty and we all know the outcome. they were reduced to shredds. So dude it is possible to decieve people in large amount, So you only have to be good with words.

So because somebody did not steal your money, it is wrong for you to complain, Something is wrong with our psyche, hence the title of corrupted and developing country, God knows, we really need that development.

lol the jets are actually 2, It's actually ok to have 2jets, because 4 jets is just wayyyy to much.

Babagida, Obasanjo and the likes should be arrested, they have enslaved the minds of NigerianS (SOME). Phew

Poor jesus, his name is now a mechandise.

C_Ronaldo:
You are just ranting, I can assure you that you will wait for eternity. People like you have been waiting since 1996 when the first eagle arrived. The glory of the latter house shall be greater than the former. You just can't beat God, he searches the heart and despite your envy, the man of God will continue to wax stronger in faith glorifying God.

I still challenge you to start a move against the man of God maybe you might be lucky to be alive to share the testimony. Please remember to write your will before you start. The entire witches and kingdom of darkness in ota could not do it. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED

OMG, somebody listen to this ignorant PERSON, Did I mention or criticize God? why are you equating a fellow man with God?
Ofcourse God cannot be mocked, but a fraudster certainly will get mocked, I don't blame you, i blame our past leaders for stealing your education funds and depriving you with the ability to reason.

But dude dont forget my questions:
Since you are a member and u seem to accept his actions. Pls what is the 4jets for. And how do they conform to the needs of the church? How do jets useful to the average church member?
And since you are one, how is it useful to you?

C_Ronaldo:
Who told you that, I can assure you that by the grace of God, thousands of the members of the church can feed you and your family, meeting all your entire families' need without any stress.

Since you are a member and u seem to accept his actions. Pls what is the 4jets for. And how do they conform to the needs of the church?

C_Ronaldo:
Please do something about it, no one, power or principality ever wins battle against God. I challenge you to try whatever you can do against the man of God and please come and share your testimonies here. KENNET COPELAND is an american preacher, google his name and find out more about him. God is no respecter of person or race.

His time will come. Saddam was once unreachable, Hitler was once untouchable, pastor odulele never saw it coming, Ghadafii thought he had absolute power.
Dude we will all answer for our deeds. His time will come. It's inevitable.

Manweysabi:
Success is not a luck, its not by chance. It is light! He is simply walking in light. Until u are walking in d light of God, u wil not undastand the things of this Man of God, Poverty-mentality is satanic slavery, If u think d way d world are thinkin, u'll fall d way they are fallin. If u dont undastand d things of d spirit, u are probably walkin in darkness.

What would Jesus do if he was the one in control of that amount of Money? Buy himself four jets on the pretext that his Father is not a "poor" God?
pls answer this from the bottom of your heart.

C_Ronaldo:
The more you criticize the man of God, the higher he flies  because God is pleased with him. I remembered when the first eagle landed, the noise was all over the place people were abusing and criticizing. Then the congregation was just about 10,000 but today despite the opposition, the church is moving forward and God is pleased with DAVID his servant. Maybe you need to know more about the ministry, we do things in extra-ordinary way because of the backing of the extra-ordinary God.

The ministry open over 1000 new churches within 3 months.

The 50,000 capacity auditorium was built and dedicated under one year

Over 100,000 worshipers gather every Sunday to hear the man of God live @ Canaan Land Ota.

The ministry has over 200 luxurious buses in Lagos alone

The ministry has built 2 universities and hundreds of nursery, primary and secondary. Expect the 3rd university soon.

Have you ever seen any envelope from winners asking for donation from the public?
and many more to the GLORY OF GOD,

Kingdom Wealth is a mystery that is difficult to explain a natural man.

You people have complained too much, do something about the situation if you think you are not comfortable.

A visit to canaanland will turn your life around.

I blessed God for given us such a giant of FAITH in our time.  Unto the LORD BE ALL GLORY.

God is the sender that is behind the sent and he is pleased with his servant. No gate of hell (Including nairalanders) can stand against the church.

Please read about KENNETH COPELAND.

if you believe in what you wrote then aswer this, What would Jesus do if he was the one in control of that amount of Money? Buy himself four jets on the pretext that his Father is not a "poor" God?

oluwabamis:
im just speechless. The man is God's servant, so let his master handle the issue.

dude, that's the difference btw us and the "white" man, they don't wait for God to handle the issue. They address the issue. Hence why they have advanced and left us behind.

Do you think God will come down and solve our issues for us? Politicians will steal, God will judge them, Pastors will steal -God will Judge them.

We have been on this for ages, we our irresponsible government is looking and watching daylight robbery. Look at the revolutions in the Arab countries, Do you think they were waiting for God to Judge their corrupt leaders? The effected the change themselves,
or did you see God leading the protest himself?

FYI,
credit to 190 for the original post

harakiri:
Dude,

Well written post but i'd say this. . .don't expect much of an answer from this hardened criminal's pastor's followers. They would rather kill you than answer the question in a straight forward manner. I'm talking from loads of experience bantering endlessly with naive brain washed religious zombies some nairalanders in the religious section. It's pointless. Trust me on that.

I understand it's difficult impacting knowlegde and sensibility to ignorant folks,  But we must not keep quiet and let them impose their nonsense on us. Lets keep asking questions that they would avoid, they know in their hearts what the right thing is, but they have been fed jargons and they have been manipulated. Anyway, i'll keep saying my own mind,

@oyedepo apologists

What would Jesus do if he was the one in control of that amount of Money? Buy himself four jets on the pretext that his Father is not a "poor" God.
Wake up Nigerians.

I want everyone to ask yourselves this question::


If Jesus christ the son of God was the person in possession of this money

would he buy 4 JETS, have several estates and also build a university where the cost of fees is almost HALF a Million naira


If Jesus christ would do exactly the same thing then this man is rite:;

if he wouldnt I LEAVE THE REST TO YOU ALL TO ANSWER

Cos I know a saying :: LEAD BY EXAMPLE,

The Jesus i knew lived a simple life but the followers of today ( pastors et all ) are living life to the fullest  

PLease can his church members ,and those that feel it is right for a man to possess 4jets from the church ,answer this responsible question posted here: We are waiting ?
bunmifx ; can u pls answer this question

190:
[color=deeppink]I want everyone to ask yourselves this question::


If Jesus christ the son of God was the person in possession of this money

would he buy 4 JETS, have several estates and also build a university where the cost of fees is almost HALF a Million naira


If Jesus christ would do exactly the same thing then this man is rite:;

if he wouldnt I LEAVE THE REST TO YOU ALL TO ANSWER

Cos I know a saying :: LEAD BY EXAMPLE,

The Jesus i knew lived a simple life but the followers of today ( pastors et all ) are living life to the fullest [/color]

PLease can his church members ,and those that feel it is right for a man to possess 4jets from the church ,answer this responsible question posted here: We are waiting

@ OP

Depends on what you Term as a miracle. A miracle is a phenomenal entity that is experienced by everyone. To me it's synonymous to luck. Let me give you a descriptive analogy. In a general hospital, There are several people (Religious and Non-religious), Some pull through on there sickness and some dont. some pray and still die, some dont pray and still live, and vice-versa. When you asked the survivors they say "Its a miracle" hence, my comparison with luck. So it's a probability. It's got nothing to do with the pastor. I belive it has everything to do with your resolve and the God you serve. (Some dont beleive in God and still pull through)-, But religious folks sometimes like to believe only goodness and "miracles" come to them only as it is their divine right, Fortunately that is not the case. Goodness and miracles happens across the spectrum of humanity- Not just christains or muslims alone.

Another example would be somebody getting shot in the Head. If he pulls through we will say its a miracle, even  If it's the Thief or Its the Cop. I believe it's the grace of the Almighty God. The Only one that do not Jugde or care if you are a believer or not.

But miracles do happen. It happens to everyone.

Sadly, some pastors have abused the word miracles and just use it to get themselves rich because most of them bank on that probability.(They feed on the misery and anxiety of people)

@ ode remo

Thanks, Am still waiting for my Christain brethens to rationalise my article,  So lets countdown for one them to give a responsible critique of my observations,

or do what they do best, quote the bible and give us their own meaning.