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Why did they let Lagerback go?  chai, nawa for Nigeria sha, everything just "scatter scatter" for that country sha.

FIFA is not going to do anything jare, NK is a closed society and they probably wouldn't let any FIFA officials in to come and investigate anything.

[quote author=oyinda. link=topic=154714.msg6284770#msg6284770 date=1277522106]a smart student in the US will thrive at Tufts or UCLA just as much as at MIT. which is why you can't objectively say MIT is a better school than Tufts or UCLA.
in india on the other hand, maybe IIT is the only good school they have or one of the very few. and it won't be fair to compare two continents based on just a few schools. we should consider the whole education system.[/quote]My basis of comparison was based on the quality of students i see in grad school here in the US. The Asians dominate hands down and a lot of this guys do not come from the Bei DA's (Beijing University) and co. they come from the less popular schools and they do extremely well than the yanki students over here. This shows me that there school system is not as top heavy as you think it is.

Oh yeah, did i also forget to tell you. English teams have won the champions league 11 times and have been runners up 6 times. While the dutch league has won the champions league 6 times and have been runners up twice. Now tell me who the better league is? Nonsense, una no sabi argue, next time bring your facts and stop arguing with conjecture.

dayokanu:
@Asha,
Real Madrid didnt win anything for most of Beckhams Career there.

Best Free kick in the world? Beckham cant even make top 5. Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Juninho, Mihajlovic

Beckham was more of a hit and miss free kick taker similar to CR7

Wow! you are holding on to straws son. Blame beckham for real madrid failing to win a trophy, that's a good one. By the way, why are we talking about Beckham, i was talking about Finidi George. Finidi's free kick is not on the same level as the guys you mentioned talkless of Beckham.

asha 80:
Someone that played for Ajax when ajax was probably the top team in europe and beating the likes of Ac Milan and Real Madrid black and blue in Champions not world class

Again the premiership at this period was shoit and nothing to write home about.

ha ha haha, chai! the things you hear on nairaland sha. When was the dutch league ever as good or even better than the english league ehn? If the dutch league was better than the english league then why did the english league have 3 slots at the champions league while the dutch only had 2? why didn't the dutch have 3 like the english or 4 like the Italians, Spaniards and Germans? Also, if the Dutch league was sooooooo good why was there a mass exodus of players from Ajax to other better and bigger leagues? why didn't they just stay at home like everybody else? Why did Dennis Bergkamp even come to Arsenal in 1994, why didn't he just go back home?

The difference between teams from Africa and Europe is just techniques! If not for techniques why would a team like Ivory Coast crash out @ the group stage of the world cup even when it was glaring that they had the best assemblage of players in that group.

When you say "technique" are you refering to tactics? because technique means skill and its something African teams don't seem to have a lack of. Also, the main reason why Ivory Coast got knocked out just like most African teams is the lack of quality creative midfielders. We seem to be producing so many defensive midfielders nowadays and hardly any attacking or creative midfielders and i attribute this to the European game. It seems that Europe is determine the kind of players we produce nowadays (tall/strong) as opposed to skillful, finesse (technically gifted) players, this right here is what is killing us. When last did you see an African playmaker playing for Real Madrid or Barca? They only seem to always get to be defensive midfielders and nothing else. I wrote on this issue on one of my earlier posts.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-455590.0.html

Why do we seem to always hire the wrong people all the time? Don't we have a vetting process to screen out people like this? Why was Dangote hired in the first place?

syenite,
You are so on point. They have the same problems in the developed countries but the thing is that they also have lotttttttttttttts of local and amateur leagues for kids to play which we don't seem to have much of in Nigeria.
The problem i have with your assertion is that our academies are not world class, if you read the article on the link that i posted, you will see that all this academies i am talking about are producing world class talent just look at Barcelona's La Masia that produced most of Spain's winning team or look at Ajax's academies that produced Wesley Sneijder and co and how about Sporting Lisbon's academy. heck, let's not forget the Abidjan football academy belonging to ASEC Mimosas that produces a lot of Ivoirien talent. What Nigerian academy can boast of this exploits? Like i said, the streets or playgrounds is where you learn soccer but its the academies that polish it, if the academies are no good then the quality and the end products would not be good (just look at the talent of the super eagles of the past decade and you would understand what i am talking about. If the university that you go to is not good, chances are that the graduate would be of less value in the real world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Masia
http://vimeo.com/13230943
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/africa/3651059.stm
http://www.standard.net/topics/sports/2010/06/07/football-academies-teach-kids-ivory-coast

You can't have two heads in a marriage or its not going to work.

milehigh06:
it ius te faultof the fool whostarted the thread.
you cant compare both payerscos tey play dif positions ,mikel is a defensive idfieder while messi is an attacking midfielder come striker cumwinger,let him try and defendand see wat will happen.
and who eve compares mikelto anderson should go and choke on aboki ciga.anderson?
una dey watch ball at all?abi na relayed version demdey show una for naija?anderson??in fact make i no talk

DON'T MIND NIGERIANS JARE, THEY DON'T KNOW FOOTBALL AT ALL. THEY THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY GREW UP PLAYING "MONKEY POST" OR PLAYING ON THE FIELDS OR PLAYGROUNDS AT SCHOOL THAT THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL. MIKEL AND MESSI PLAY DIFFERENT POSITIONS, THIS WOULD BE LIKE COMPARING A WINGER LIKE C. RONALDO WITH A CENTRAL MIDFIELDER LIKE FABREGAS.

sley4life:
I disagree. We celebr8 our players.Oliseh, Finidi,Ikpeba, Yekini,Ike uche& co were celebrated. Or would u like to celebra8 failure? U might go on celebrating Yakubull, Kaita etc for such perfomance on the field of play. Success is never hidden. We had just few players worthy of celebration. Or maybe I shuld celebrate Mikel for denouncing not to make the last Olympic team & telling Sia1 to apologise to him b4 he wear the 9ja jersey

Gbam!! Ori e pe jare. So we should celebrate failure because of some skewed sense of partioritism?

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=485398.msg6511529#msg6511529 date=1280941200][color=deeppink]All I hear is Messi! Messi! Messi!

Yet, I don't see what the noise and fuming is all about.

The World Cup just proved that overrated player can't do anything without Xavi and Iniesta.[/color][/quote]THIS IS WHY WONEN SHOULD NEVER LEAVE THE KITCHEN.

chyket:
Our greatest problem in this country is that we never celebrate anything Nigerian,i dont know any player in the Nigerian squad that has a better standing than John mikel Obi,in terms of club profile,playing time and renumeration.
The so called GREATS!!!MESSI COULDNT SCORE ANY GOAL IN THE WORLD CUP, ROONEY DIDNT SCORE ANY GOAL, RONALDO MANAGED TO SCORE A GOAL and here in nairaland somebody is telling me how great these guys are. Please let us try and celebrate youngmen like us who are legitimately trying to enhance the image of our country in a positive way.
regards

Obviously, you know nothing about football because if you did, you would know that the world cup is not the best evalutator of talent, if it were then oleg salenko and salvatore "toto" schillaci would be the greatest players ever. The world cup is not even the best international tournament in the world, the european cup is.
Also, club football is much better than international competitions because you can afford to buy the best players in the world on your team while in international football you are stuck with the best that your country has (most of the time they arer usually mediocre players), if Algeria or slovenia played in the premiership, they probably would be relegated. As far as i am even concerned the best football tourmnament in the world is the UEFA champions league, that's where you have the best of the best; players and coaches. If Real madrid played in the world cup, they would probably win the world cup non stop.

Monaco's football academy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCjTIb-9g8&feature=related

NOOOOOOOOOO

Missy B:
Their faces . . . their wahala! Deal with it.

when did you become a male, i thought you were a female.

whenever i see pictures of girls back home, they look sooooooo heavily made up (especially the lipstick part) complete with eyeliners and what not? Its incredible. I thought make up was supposed to be subtle and to bring out the best in your facial features and not turn you into a totally unrecognizable fiend.

Emperoh:
I saw this online by a Nigerian and couldnt stop laughing and decided to share, Enjoy!!

I never quite figured out why the sexual urge of men and women differ so much. And I never have figured out the whole Venus and Mars thing. I have never figured out why men think with their head and women with their heart.

FOR EXAMPLE: One evening last week, my girlfriend and I were getting into bed.

Well, the passion starts to heat up, and she eventually says "I don't feel like it, I just want you to hold me."

I said "WHAT??!! What was that?!" Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed

So she says the words that every boyfriend on the planet dreads to hear, "You're just not in touch with my emotional needs as a woman enough for me to satisfy your physical needs as a man." She responded to my puzzled look by saying, "Can't you just love me for who I am and not what I do for you in the bedroom?" Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed Lips sealed

Realizing that nothing was going to happen that night, I went to sleep.

The very next day I opted to take the day off of work to spend time with her. We went out to a nice lunch and then went shopping at a big, big unnamed department store. I walked around with her while she tried on several different very expensive outfits. She couldn't decide which one to take so I told her we'd just buy them all. She wanted new shoes to compliment her new clothes, so I said lets get a pair for each outfit. We went onto the jewelry department where she picked out a pair of diamond earrings. Let me tell you, she was so excited. She must have thought I was one wave short of a shipwreck. I started to think she was testing me because she asked for a tennis bracelet when she doesn't even know how to play tennis. I think I threw her for a loop when I said, "That's fine, honey." She was almost nearing sexual satisfaction from all of the excitement. Smiling with excited anticipation she finally said, "I think this is all dear, let's go to the cashier."

I could hardly contain myself when I blurted out, "No honey, I don't feel like it."

Her face just went completely blank as her jaw dropped with a baffled WHAT?"

I then said "honey! I just want you to HOLD this stuff for a while. You're just not in touch with my financial needs as a man enough for me to satisfy your shopping needs as a woman." And just when she had this look like she was going to kill me, I added, "Why can't you just love me for who I am and not for the things I buy you?"

Apparently I'm not having sex tonight either.

This is the funniest thing i've ever read in my life ha ha ha.

My kids are not dating till they are 21 period.

udezue:
Why don't you worry about the extinction of African languages? Colonial mentality @ its best.

No mind dem jare, it is the result of colonization. The same thing happens in every country that was colonized. They say history is written by the victors. When another country occupies you and subjects you to live by there ways, you identify with your occupiers and you lose your identity and your culture. In fact, you even look down on your own native culture as inferior to that of your captor you can see this in every work of life from fashion and beauty (bleaching cream, wigs, weave ons and hair straightening) to giving child naming (chamberlain or goodluck) . That is the problem with naija. Let's hope that as the country develops, the people become more self aware and become more confident with there own culture.

So so sad. Why can't somebody complain about the poor states of our local languages instead they are complaining about the poor state of a language that was forced upon you by people who raped our country. Isn't this what they refer to as the side effects of "stockholm syndrome".

Well mr. man, you better have a good lawyer, a really really good one at that.

mikeansy:
Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!
Donald Duke is a lawyer by training and a refined one at that who understands the implication of his tenses and diction.

I laugh when I see folks say kill him, kill him, he has admitted guilt. I laugh in my head and say NO HE HAS NOT. While the piece up there gives a blow by blow account of rigging in Nigeria by someone who was once an insider, no part of that write up says anything about his level of involvement in the who cycle of rigging.

Yes ooo, i can't stand it when Nigerians try to use 'big' words to try and show how learned they are, its incredibly annoying. I remember a post on nairaland a couple of weeks ago titled "most corrupt govt. parastatals" or "igbo's flayed over presidency" and i remember asking myself who uses those words over here, even the English don't so its incredibly annoying and funny at the same time when the colonized try to outdo there colonizer.

JIY:
has there ever been a great West African winger? -- something Vernon attributes to the conditions in which most children there learn the game.
A very interesting article! As to the question, yes, there have been. I must agree with others on the forum regarding Finidi George. He was a great winger, way up with the best of them. And what about Emmanuel Amunike? Surely, he must be ranked among the best. Then there is Tijani Babangida, who was also very effective in his prime.

As to midfielders: Amokachi must come to mind as an attacking midfielder though some might think of him more of a forward. What about Oliseh?

I guess, this debate depends on perspective. We should remember though that in the 90's Nigerian players were among the best in the world. I do not think there  should be much debate about that. The situation today is different however. Even Nigerians should admit that.

When i think of the best wingers of the 90's, i think of Roberto Donadoni, Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Marc Overmars. I can't put finidi talkless of Ammunike on that list (and don't even mention a one dimensional player like tijani or ikedia). To me the most important attribute of a mordern winger is the ability to pass/cross the ball. David Beckham might have been one dimensional but that skill he had, he was sooooooooo good at it that he was able to play for the top teams in d world. In fact, he could decide one game with one deadly cross to the head of one his teammates. Oh, did i forget that he had the best free kick in the world, something that the likes of finidi, ammuneke and tijani could not even begin to boast about.
I wrote a piece about how we create more talent in naija here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=478629.msg6380836#msg6380836

^^^^
uche kalu plays for what club?

marutimon:
I must admit that this Nigeria team is very lacklustre in comparison not only with the Nigeria team of the 90s but also in comparison with other African teams going to the World Cup. With all respect to Lukman Haruna - Haruna is probably going to be Nigeria's key player, now please compare him to Okocha, Finidi, Amunike, Oliseh and others, or Kwadwo Asamoah, Alex Song, Achille Emana, Yaya Toure, Didier Zokora, Karim Ziani or Steven Pienaar from other African sides.

You obviously don't know football because if you did you would know that alex song, zokora, and yaya toure are defensive midfielders not attacking midfielders. The other players you mentioned are all average players as we saw this world cup. There is a reason why they all play for mid-level teams in Europe.
By the way, Lukman Haruna would fade away in a year or two just like other Nigerian talent before him like the Pius Ikedia's, ifeanyi udeze's, ogbeche's, opabunmi's and several others. This guys were once called the future of Nigeria, well it seems that it was a very short future.

Ladies and gentleman, Neymar is the name (scorer of goal no. 74), you better learn it now because you are going to be seeing him for a loooooong time. The boy might just be 18 but that boy is going to be a great player.

no. 33 and no. 19 are also awesome.

Martin Palermo's goal was absolutely awesome.

Please, please, nobody should mention Lukman Haruna's name again.

At least i was vindicated by this world Cup. There are no creative players in West Africa, in fact in all of Africa. It seems as if Europe specifically the English premiership is determining the kind of players we produce (tall/strong ones with hardly any skill). There is no flair no creativity. Where are our Forlan's, our Zidane's and co.?