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MetaPhysical:
I don't know why baba ramota even brought this in here. Look at the bold. I will be more than happy to discuss with you on a different thread, not here. There is a thread opened by blkmum200 and is called Where is Oduduwa really from? There is another one opened by 2prexios and is called Origin of the name Yoruba. Pick either ne and we can discuss at length. I have some hard to deny truths and insights to share with you.

The only truth is Oduduwa is an Edo son.. his real name is Ekhaladeran..
Edo people conquered and ruled parts of Yoruba lands and people..
The British freed Yorubas from Edo’s rule (Yoruba was too weak to resist)
Any other stories you will give is false and an attempt by you to feel good with yourselves but I will never allow that. I’m here to torture you with the truth.

Moneywomen17:
edo boys never u forget how ogedengbe was killing ur chiefs sacking ur town floging ur kings and taking ur women, Yoruba king rule over u and displace ur ogiamen, Yoruba priest are ur priest. Bini was conquered by Yoruba from the time of oranmiyan till the time they break free from western region. Edo are slave to not only their Yoruba master but ur igala master also flog bini too what a shame small edo abi u want me to post screen shot of Yoruba ruling u and igala sacking ur lands? Well u will have to wait am done on this thread for now we go see adios my boy.

1. Your ogedengbe was a Yoruba coward who fled from Edo lands with only just a warning and notice of an advancing Benin special forces..

2.. Benin subdued and enslaved igalas, u can go ask them how much they fear Benin till today.

3.. you are silent on the topic I raised about the numerous Yoruba kings beheaded by Benin Kingdom.. is ur silence an acceptance of that?

Benin Kingdom owns all of Eastern Yoruba, that is a confirmed fact.

Moneywomen17:
that story na school boy story.

Yoruba boys lol...
Never you guys forget how Edo people was beheading your kings, replacing your kings with Edo administrators, sacking full Yoruba towns and relocating the citizens to different cities..
history and records judge Edo to be supreme over Yoruba..
we are conquerors and you are the conquered.. abi una want make I post screenshots of Edo conquests of Yoruba lands?

Moneywomen17:
no more silence I dey here kampe seeing how the guy was twisting Hugh Clapperton saying we were asking help from small village bini he must think we are illiterate here. How does someone who died before 1835 know that Fulani sack oyo ile in 1835.

See yorubas using igalas as their talking point.. it shows u have no legacy of ur own. Shame lol
Anyways I will treat the igala issue later but now I’m focusing on Edo people conquest and subjugation of the Yoruba race.
Enjoy the post below, more are coming.

Moneywomen17:
post the original source of what u first said don’t run away. What u post was egba getting free of oyo and Dahomey ending Yoruba hegemony over them meaning Dahomey stop being oyo tributary which align with what the British said that oyo ruled over Dahomey and Benin.

I know it’s painful.. ur heart must be breaking now and worst still I’m enjoying torturing you.. anyways see screenshot of what I wrote earlier and after u read it pls tell the nearest person to you make he give u hard knock for your head..

Moneywomen17:
post the source and I will take u serious.

See more brushing for Oyo.. chai! poor Oyo.

Moneywomen17:
is that the evidence u want to provide. Let me show u the letter written by the governor of Lagos. He said according to the information given by the lander in 1830 and as 1830 when the information was given oyo was still standing. And hey man u are torturing yourself and nobody could ever be as foolish at u with the ridiculous things u say but i already promise u if u go low am ready to go lower. The fun is just beginning.

Mugu read what your British masters actually say they saw..

“By the time Captain Hugh Clapperton visited Oyo-Ile in 1825 during the reign of Alaafin Majotu, the empire was already in a state of decline. Clapperton's party recorded passing numerous Oyo villages burned by the Fulani (Ilorin) while Majotu had also sought the help of the English king and the Oba of Benin in putting down the Ilorin rebellion. Clapperton also noticed a shortage of horses, even though the Oyo were renowned as a great cavalry force; this might have something to do with the fact that most of the empire's soldiers and hence cavalry were stationed at Ilorin under the command of Afonja and later on Alimi's successors.[47]

Ilorin then besieged Offa and started raiding, burning and pillaging villages in Oyo, eventually destroying the capital Oyo-Ile in 1835.”

You see even at that time Benin Kingdom was the most powerful that even your dying Oyo was begging Benin military for help..
You can keep bring what the British said they were told and I will be bringing what they said they saw..

Moneywomen17:
provide the evidence of ur claim and I will provide mine. Are u pained that ogedengbe whip ur edo boys. History written and said by British said that oyo ruled over Benin so Benin was one of the people conquered by Yoruba oramiyan in particular started it then other Yoruba took their turn on edo and the evidence still stands till today with Yoruba language name and culture and gods in Benin land. U bear and worship our god just like African bear and worship European gods

Oyo was dead and decayed when British came so how can they say Oyo ruler over Benin? The British never saw Oyo empire, they only saw Oyo’s grave and ruins..
I like torturing you but ur foolishness amazes me..

Moneywomen17:
was the king of England also beheaded lol. Show me where u read that obatala was beheaded unless u just made it up dumbass. Oduduwa is Yoruba man I know he is great and he is responsible for u having a king so that’s u want to claim him but sorry accept ur Yoruba ruler. Ogedengbe beheaded ur ruler in edo and all ur chief and almost beheaded ur king before he lie down and started begging ogedengbe with all his wealth and dashing him plenty Benin women to appease him before ogedengbe accept his apology and flogged him instead and left.

Difference btw ur claims and mine is that mine are true with evidence still existing till today but urs are just anguish of a pained and frustrated Yoruba man..
history had judged the Edo people to be warriors and conquerors, and Yoruba being one of the race Edo conquered and subjugated..

Moneywomen17:
my guy shut up Benin king head was buried in ife in the orun oba ado not the other way around. A Yoruba man statue was found in ur oba palace coz ur king was worshipping his father. Ur oba is a Yoruba descendant of oramiyan. Even ur oba tell the Portuguese that he owes a spiritual allegiance to ife. Benin came on their knee to ife to beg for king ife never went to Benin. Benin was a small village that could not even stamp his authority anywhere. European gave Yoruba gun not one small Benin who were still fighting primitive with cutlass and infantry. U guys never even had cavalry. Just forget it yoruba was ur boss in the past and still today. In fact Yoruba rule over u so much that u had to cry for the fg to help u create ur own mid western region so that u will not die as yoruba slaves. But u can not escape Yoruba domination u still bear our name worship our gods and even ur omo n oba na Yoruba descendant I know the truth hurts but accept it benin na yoruba boy end of story. Pele se o gbo

I know within u, u are mad at ur ancestors for giving Edo chance to lay claim on Yoruba.. and more painful is the fact that our claims are true.

It’s even shameful for Yoruba that you couldn’t even free yourselves from Benin it was the British that freed you. You guys were too weak to fight mighty Benin Kingdom.

Moneywomen17:
u said obatala was beheaded show us where u read that stop deflecting. “I don talk my own” so u admitted it’s ur own made up story

See ur level of reasoning.. becos I said I don talk my own so that means I made up the story? so shud I conclude that becos you focusing on the “beheading” does that mean U agree Oduduwa killed Obalata?
If he killed Obalata then how did he do it? Did he stab him or set him on fire?
Do u know that in those days the common way of execution was by beheading.. and Oduduwa being an Edo man will surely behead his enemy Obalata..

Now besides that, historical accounts shows that a good number of Yoruba rulers were beheaded by Benin Kingdom during the time Benin Kingdom was colonizing parts of Yoruba lands.. any ruler who opposed Benin was defeated and beheaded..
Akure Deji was beheaded, Ewi beheaded, ruler in Ado beheaded, Owo ruler was beaded and so was many others. But no historical accounts or even Yoruba myths and legends ever mentions any Edo ruler beheaded by Yoruba..

So tell me, who was greater? The beheader or the beheaded?

OlaoChi:
What version is this clown talking about. Where do you get your history from?

Na wa ó. Nigeria has lost its history finally

OlaoChi what happened to Obalata? Why are u afraid to talk? abi u Dey shame?

Moneywomen17:
u are talking to a very dumb guy worst of all he thinks he is smart lol don’t waste ur time.

See mugus.. you and ur brother should tell us what happened to Obalata when Oduduwa took the throne from him.
I don talk my own, talk urs.

Moneywomen17:
ur elkhadaren died in Benin evil forest that’s why u had to send ur chiefs to beg on their knees for oramiyan and when he came and realize u guys are wary of his Yoruba style of leading he took one edo women smash her easily just like they are easy today and had a child to rule u all and he left. Till today Benin like worshipping Yoruba they worship oduduwa, Ogun, oramiyan and so many other Yoruba god deal with that edo boy the truth hurts.

Please leave women out of it because we know which tribe has the highest rate of adulterous women and sugar mummies but I don’t want to stop low like u..

I know you are dying of frustration but blame your ancestors they didn’t leave a glorious history for u instead they left a history filled with defeats and enslavement..

Edo people conquered the Yorubas that is a fact.

Moneywomen17:
there is no “edo history” in any Yoruba place it’s the opposite. Edo worship Yoruba gods, they bear our name. There is no city in Yoruba land that was not established by Yoruba. Benin could not even establish a city for themselves bigger than the ekiti alone talkless of establishing city for Yoruba. Yoruba culture is more visible on Benin kids than the other way around and stop deceiving urself u are the biggest dumbass here u don’t know wat research or facts are even if it hits u in the face

E still Dey pain you eh? No worry after I finish with u, u go piss for body.

Your people will forever worship our Ekhaladeran (Oduduwa)..

KingSango:
Do you consider Yorubas incapable of running their own kingdoms?


Do you realize that by downing, disrespecting another West Afrika group's ability to run their own kingdom, build them, or any form of government efficiently reflects upon all of West Afrikan ancestors?

I believe you must have dada and smoke plenty ganja.. so I will leave you to your own type of thinking king Sango..

KingSango:
Are we going by European science?

Do you believe European science to be 100% accurate without question?


And what makes you doubt the truthful legends of African ancestral history?


www.undergroundriseup..com

Ase

Love Sango

Yes I believe science, research and facts.. what’s legends and myths? Any events that happened even if it’s 1million yrs ago there must be evidence and traces of it till today. If there is non then it’s not true.. example is Yoruba history, no evidence of any of their claims so it’s all myths and legends, not true.
Edo on the other hand, you can still see traces of our history among Yoruba people, their culture, monarchies we set up for them, cities we established in their lands..

BabaRamota1980:
Im not done....im bringing more to share but first, comments on this fabrication....


1. The story of ekaladheran is not told by Omo N'Oba but rather by meanings read into his statement in Ife. So there is no true account of an official statement on ekaladheran. Omo N'Oba made a statement and soon after craftsmen are constructing a story around it.

2. Ekaladheran is son of last Ogiso Ewedo. Records of the list of Ogisos and Obas is kept. Records is kept of Chiefs of Edo. Records is kept of artists of Edo. Record is kept of shrines and deities of Edo. ....but the most important figure in the history of Edo, Prince Ekaladheran had no record until he was discovered in 1982. Yet we are to believe that this guy became King in Ife.

3. The fable woven around Ekaladheran exist only in works produced at Edoland. Those who have been in physical contact with Benin have no record of this guy. Why?

4. The story of Edo will not be complete without witchcraft.

5. A king sent his wife in company of chiefs to go and consult Oracle to see why he was barren?

Hahahahahahaha....

What happend that the powerful Ogiso could not summon the diviner to his palace? Kings kept diviners in palace. Oracle is part of the instrument of rulership and belonged inside the palace. Till this day kings have oracle in the palace for divination.

Anyway which kind of king dispatches woman to go and ask an oracle on his behalf....for anything?

The genesis of the double-cross is the act of rape.

So she was sexually appealing and the potential existed for her to be raped....yet the wise Ogiso did not see all this...but dispatched her with three men to go across town to a diviner.

Then a woman already condemned by the oracle acted a double cross that won the chiefs to her side against their king. They defected loyalty from king to the woman oracle decreed should be killed.

These chiefs not only broke their oath of allegiance to the throne, they also acted against the oracle's decree to execute the woman.

One begins to wonder what power this woman had over them that made the chiefs substituted their prince for execution in place of her.

Did she actually allow them to sleep with her to buy their conscience?

This Edo story get k-leg!


4. The barren Ogiso was now convinced that by killing the one son he has, the heir to the kingdom, he will bear another child.

Eehhhn.

This king needed his head examined.

This is why the oracle and divination is done in palace...so that king will get direct message from the oracle, not through third parties.

Its like someone who already has a property and lived in it with his family but needed more. He sent messenger to ask oracle what to do to own more property. The messenger returned and said burn the property you have now....burn it to ground. This will open opportunity for you to build another one.

What a dumb person! This is how the story portrays your Ogiso....a dummy!

So did he have another child, after agreeing to kill his son?

In fact after many years and learning the truth he executed the wife and satisfied the decree passed by oracle. Did he have another child?
No he did not! Hence the dispatch to Ife to seek assistance from the race of nation builders.

What a claptrap story. No wonder beside gullible Edo writers no historian from other backgrounds have agreed to write this fiction.

If this was put in Hollywood to be made into movies they will classify it "Works of Fiction" recreated from the imagination of Edo people of Nigeria.


5. So even the executioners were compronised in their duties and allegiance to the king.


6. Then the King banished the heir to his throne. Did it ever occurvto him to consult the oracle again? Did it ever occur to him that by banishing Ekaladheran he had banished the legacy of his ancestors and the succession to his own power? Did it occur to him to consult oracle if there were other sacrifices acceptable beside Ekaladheran?

It sounds like the king had nursed an ambition to get rid of Ekaladheran anyway. The twisted message of the oracle was a wish come true for him....'cause he just played along, no question asked, no reluctance, no second thoughts....

Jeezus!! People abeg come and see Edo history.


7. So this king then gave the order to execute his son. No remorse.

Did he ever ask for his remains so as a prince he could be buried with honors?


8. Now instead of killing him the chiefs and the executioners sneaked him out of town, alone, with no chiefs to accompany and attend to him.

Did they explain to him the reason for his banishment? What did they tell him....the message from oracle, or their compromise with their mistress, wife to the king?

This is a prince whose father and fathers before him had palace staff that waited and attended to their needs....not the son of a hunter or a farmer. Yet they told him to go away with no staff in company.

How is he going to survive?

Edo has an answer for that. They said he was a magician.



I will leave the magician talk for another time. Lets move on.


8. Now, Ekaladheran began his journey in the wilderness. He came to Ogho (Owo). Nobody in Ogho recognized him. The same Ogho Edo told us is a tributary of Ogiso. Nobody in Ogho know the prince of their King in Edo....but they accomodated him and he lived there sometime.

Check this out... Ogho is tributary and under the Ogiso Kingdom. Not only do they not know who he is, the Chiefs of Owo and King of Owo did not know him either.

Is Ekaladheran mute and deaf? Why couldnt he explain who he was to the King in Owo?

This would debunk the wishful desire in Edo to place Owo as a tributary under Ogiso.

If Owo was under Ogiso Kingdom anyone banished from Edo remains non entity in all territories under the Ogiso domain. So why was Ekaladheran accomodated?

Because Owo was an independent Kingdom, and did not get orders from Edo. In fact they had no record of heir to that throne in Edoland...a mere 70miles away. Astonishing!


9. Anyway, the magician left Owo and wandered on to Uhe (Ife) where the people took him to their Chiefs.

So he told the Chiefs who he was. They jubilated and threw an owambe party. The magician forecasted by their oracle has arrived. At once they installed him as King.

Wait a minute...

So the people of Ife who never had a king before in their history, now all of a sudden know how to install a King.

Ekaladheran could not explain himself to Owo but in Ife his muteness and deafness healed and was able to explain himself.

So how did he communicate with the people of Ife, was there an interpreter?

Anyway he changed his name to Oduduwa so his true identity will be concealed.

10. The Ekaldheran/Oduduwa now is King in Ife and having his own children.

Ogiso Owodo never had another child till his death. Recall the man with a house that would need to burn down the only one he had in order that he could build more. ....the dummy extra-ordinaire!

In short Chiefs of Edo had no knowledge of Ekaladeran's whereabout. But they needed a nation builder an imperial majesty to help stabilize their kingdom. So they sent Chiefs to Ife to beg for a king.

There had to be a pre-knowledge about the capacity of Ife to salvage and rebuild their society otherwise Ife would not have been the kingdom to go source new dynasty.

A great kingdom goes to a superior kingdom for its civilization, not to a lesser one. If indeed Igodomigodo was a great kingdom as we are told, then Ife was a superior kingdom.

Supposedly Ekaladheran had been on the throne in Ife and was still the sitting king when Edo chiefs arrived Ife. So no other kingdom existed in Yorubaland at this time beside the first one established by Ekaladheran.

Then how did Ife gained superiority with a first king, over Igodomigodo with centuries of kings?

Ife must have had a long succession of kings and reputable civilizations for a troubled Igodomigodo to even think of going there for solution to their own challenges. But anyway...

Voila! Edo Chiefs arrived Ife and were taken to see Kibg Oduduwa who then revealed to them he was Ekaladheran.

Wait o....i thought he did not want his identity revealed?

Anyway they asked him to go back with them. He declined and instead sent his grandchild Oranmiyan with Ife Chiefs.

This would mean Oranmiyan returned to the land of his grandfather. Correct?

So what happened in Igodo?

They Edo society continued in their rebellion and disorderliness and witchcraft.

Oranmiyan came from a civilized society with order and rule of conduct in society. The situation in Edo was strange. He renamed the land Ile Ibinu (now known as Bini).
He had a son with an Edo woman.

He left the Ife Chiefs that came with him behind to coronate the son as the King, he returned to Ife.

It became clear the Edos will not accept this foreign blood as king over them.

Edo chiefs fabricated a new story around a legend Ekaladheran and tied Oranmiyan and his son to it. Oranmiyan was positioned as child of Ekaladheran. On hearing this the society was pacified and submitted to Eweka.

This fable had been passed down from generation to generation of Edos. It remained unwritten and in background until 1982 when Oba Erediauwa said Ife is our son too.

Not bothering to clarify Edos threw their century long hoax out there and fed it to press and put it online and even wrote books on the hoax.

Yorubas also did damage to their own cause by not critically analysing the hoax....and question loopholes and intrigues in the concoction., beginning with a distant to oracle, the dispatch of a Queen to seek oracle on king's behalf, the act or allegation of rape, the double-cross of allegiance, the play-along king that had no questions, the prince that lacked knowledge and authority, his banishment, his discovery by a people that rejoiced and partied when he showed up in their midst, his coronation as their king even though they had no clue what a king was, the request from igodomigodo to the superior Ife, the revelation of a hidden ekaladheran, the Oranmiyan dynasty, the turbulence of Edo and its renaming, the fabrication of a hoax and its attachment to the foreigner, the pacification of an uncivilized society, the reawakening of the hoax in 1982 centuries after the fiction was first adopted on Edoland.


So did Oba Erediauwa say wrong with his statement?

Is Alaafin and Ooni not sons, one to the other? Of course they are! Oranmiyan sired children on both thrones. It would be accurate to say so between Oyo and Ife. Same relational link exist between Benin and Ife and Benin and Oyo.


So Oba Erediauwa said Ife is also son to Benin. His title is Omo N'Oba N'Edo...and not Omo N'Edo, nor Omo N'Ogiso or Omo N'Igodo.

Meanwhile the title in Ife is Ooni Adimula.

Adimula is the first creation in primordial, Ooni descended from that dynasty.

The title in Benin is Omo N'Oba.

Oba is Yoruba Kings. Omo N'Oba descended from that dynasty.


Oranmiyan returned to Ife and became Ooni after establishing Benin. His descendants in Ife and descendants in Benin are sons to each other.

This is what Erediauwa meant but failed to clarify on his visit in 1982 before fabricators in Edo rushed to impose a similar hoax fabricated centuries earlier as explanation for the king's one line statement.

Babaramota you are still desperately trying to find how Oduduwa is not Ekhaladeran abi..
FYI Ekhaladeran (Oduduwa) is not the most important person in Edo history..
we only telling you yorubas that the god who you worship is an Edo son and therefore We Edos are superior beings to the Yorubas.
Also there’s nothing new in oracle telling a man to sacrifice his only son. In bible God told Abraham the same thing.. and till tomorrow yorubas are still using their sons for sacrifice.

KingSango:
The history of Ile Ife goes back 10,000 years B.C.E and probably much older. I know Oyo Empire came from Ile Ife. Ile Ife is the source of Yoruba culture, the fountain, the pinnacle point of Ifa worship.

You write about the works of better men, Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Ooni and Sango. They were all better than you and I. I get bored with that I want to see Afrikan/Yoruba people aspire and achieve greatness in this lifetime. I will to help you and you are turning me down?

Ase

Love Sango

Ife is older than 10,000 bc??!!
What did the people of Ife look like at that time? Homoerectus or homodundees?
Yorubas never cease to amaze..

OlaoChi:
you see your problem like that of most Nigerians when it comes to history is that you expect people's "versions". You know you are just making up stories as you go with no knowledge of history whatsoever and you think it's the same for everyone else. Everyone making his own "version"
FYI I don't have a version, all I know is what the evidence suggests.

History has suffered in Nigeria.

I believe you have studied history too.. so tell us what u seen in your study of history. What happened to Obalata when Oduduwa took the throne from him? Don’t be ashamed tell us.

In all versions of Oduduwa and Obalata encounter, there was only one outcome and that is Oduduwa Killed Obalata.. abi Na the beheading dey pain you?
Beheading our enemies is an Edo trademark..

gregyboy:
Which yoruba would doubt prove ....its all seen in benin empire evidence of were the empire streches to

This is an image of a king in ondo more to come

Anyway the yorubas deniel there is prove for those who needs prove to see ....they wanna twist history and say it wasnt due to colonization but ancestry agrrement and i ask the king who was on those throne when benins came werent they oduduwas linage ....?


Where did oduduwa come from ?

Oduduwa was a banished prince to the forest with ropes in hands that was supposed to use in killing him while wondering the forest he took a stick which serves as its staff.nd later came to the land ile ife as prophesied by the gods of the land he came witha beautiful white clothes worn by is people and magical skills learnt as a young prince which he displayed in the town ile ife ...got many amazed and they asked were he and his people come from and simply said we came from the sky (ogiso) they were amazed and truely said to themselves the gods have sent our saviour they made him a king over them ...

History of izoduwa not the falling legend

In history, Oduduwa is known to have in his lifetime he reserved a special seat in the Ife palace for his ancestors and till this day only the Benin monarch can sit on it.

Edo is such a crucial and respected culture that every major ceremony or Ifa ritual done in Ife must involve the relevant Edo traditional faith custodians, or else it won’t be considered blessed or authentic, their importance or influence is also present in the dressing of the Ife chiefs, which is said to be gotten from Benin courts.

My question to the Yorubas is, why is Benin respected so much in Ife and a special seat reserved for the Oba of benin? Why does Edo tradition hold sway in Ife palace?
Oduduwa had other children and Oranmiyan was the last..

Moneywomen17:
Alright am out of this thread for now edo boys. Go crazy.

The only people going crazy here are your Yoruba brothers fighting and destroying each other as usual lol.. abi u no dey see them ���

Moneywomen17:
chai see painment and that was no writer that was the governor of the colony of Lagos sir Alfred. know the truth hurts u davidnaze but ur colonial master British does not recognize anybody called edo or Benin in Lagos. Nothing to be embarrassed about in ilorin the history of the place is clear afonja betray alafin and got stabbed in the back by the Fulani warrior end of story. But according to the British governor oyo ruled over Benin and Dahomey. The British governor says this not me or some lowlife called davidnaze can erase it all u can do is cry.

The British governor wrote what he said he heard from the Yorubas but he only saw the defeat and domination of the Yorubas by the Fulanis..
and to show how much of a mugu you are, this letter was written in the late 1800, by that time Oyo was dead and buried so any account of Oyo he wrote there was the fairy tale lies Yorubas are always spreading..
shame on you again.

KingSango:
Just like our people fall out today they did back then.

Kings have beef too!

Ase

Love Sango

Well the Alaffin’s power was restricted to within his Yoruba subjects and besides that, the Alaffin is an Edo descendant so I won’t trash his authority..

KingSango:
How come people debate the Alaafin's supremacy over all the kings in West Africa at one point? Don't they realize that African kings had traditional ruler's councils even in those days? And that the Alaafin of Oyo was always the head of the council? Ancient Afrika was not disorganized, this wasn't to the expense of the Oba of Benin, there was simply an unity that ancestral kings had which deteriorated to the state of slavery and colonialism. Even the Emir of Kano was and is an ally king to the Alaafin. The Alaafin wore the mask, his name is, Ayi Awo Kabeyasi Sango, which means don't stare into the face of King Sango. The Alaafin, god on Earth, second in command to the Gods.


Ase


Love Sango

Another Yoruba feel good tale again oo..
which ancient traditional council are u talking about?
Where was the alaffin when Nupe invaders chased away Oyo monarchy and ruled for 100yrs? Where was alaffin when Dahomey women was beating Oyo anyhow? Where was alaffin when Benin Kingdom was busy conquering and claiming all of Eastern Yoruba?
Please stop this rubbish story.

OlaoChi:
lmao Very funny. oduduwa beheaded Obatala. Nigerians and their total disregard for history. everyone is now a self acclaimed historian without any credentials
There is nothing you say that is true. you are just one low life making up mumbojumbo

So can you tell the world what happened to Obalata when Oduduwa usurped the throne from him?? Tell us, we are waiting for your version.

Moneywomen17:
even since I left here u have gotten bolder with ur falsehood now am back to hammer fact into ur brain. Below is what the European particularly ur colonial master British said regarding Lagos. Benin live in a small village called edo of which they share with ijaw and other ethnic group blame ur ancestors for never really conquering massive land for u now it’s too late u are insignificant as ever in this modern age and no falsehood or feel good lies about the past can help u.

Moneywoman So na you be the Yoruba champion now abi? Lol.
This picture u post, the writer said he was told most of the things he wrote there (lies told by Yoruba as usual)..
the only thing he saw and witnessed was the Fulanis conquering and ruling Yoruba Ilorin with the Yoruba cowards fleeing.. So you see yourself na, you bring evidence that only embarrasses the Yoruba race the more.
Abeg tell whoever hire you make dem fire you quickly unless na more disgrace you will bring on Yoruba.

BabaRamota1980:
Metaphysical has already clarified that and asked them to name who they fought in Lagos to conquer the land. They are unable to answer, they doded him but kept blabbing about owning Lagos.

When King Kosoko waged war against British the Idejo Chiefs, Aworis, vacated town. They left town for the king and his Abagbon chiefs to defend. They said by tradition they do not fight wars.

So who did Ashipa fight in early 1600 when he setled Lagos....and why did he have to ask for land from Aromire if indeed Benin conquered Lagos?

Historians are missing the point. 1600s was the period that Dahomey was waging wars on Egba, Borgu, Oyo.

Dahomey sought to control trade and commerce routes. The Egbas, the Ijebus, Popos tolled the routes between the coast and hinterland. Dahomey wanted to dominate the coastal line all way to Mahin, the popular salt mine under Ijebu control.

This was part of their reason for wars with Egba but the Egbas were not marine society. So Dahomey would steal through Whydah via the Lagoon and penetrate to Lagos. They were raiding farms in Lagos to feed and also generate revenue for their armies.

Request for help could not be met by Oyo because the Oyo horses would not survive the forest conditions. Request was sent to Benin. Benin, like Egba, does not have water navigation skills or naval skills. Benin did not travel over land to Lagos.

So how did Benin get to Lagos through waters?

Who did they fight in Lagos?

Why is Ashipa asking Aromire for land if indeed he was a conqueror?

Why did Ijebu allow Benin passage through its waters?


Can the igodogigodo people please solve these puzzles since they believe Edo own Lagos.

I go shame all of una uncivilized bushmen. Yoruba don't feed on hoax, we live by facts.

Meanwhile, still waiting on story of that hoax fugitive ....

Which facts does Yoruba have apart from self deceit?
Lagos started as a military camp or garrison for Benin Kingdom and this was confirmed to be true by early European visitors to the region. So please ask yourselves who was the military camp fighting in that area? Abi na Yoruba demons our mighty military go conquer there?
You yorubas should stop fooling yourselves..

BabaRamota1980:
Pain ke

There is no pain on a story supported with truth. We are not comics and we are not here to jibe you with childiah mockery.....our purpose here is to sink truth into your spirit and show the world that we will never again standby and watch you spin hoax in our face.

Hurry up my friend and start talking about ekaladheran...leave other matters alone.

But the whole world sees evidence of Edo legacy all over Yoruba lands. The world is not dumb or swayed by ur lies..

When you read all documents written by the rest of the world, they says Benin Kingdom founded Lagos, they say Benin Kingdom was a mighty force, they say Benin kingdom spread through Yoruba lands and the world say Oyo empire died a horrible death..
even your British masters in their accounts of Oduduwa also give the Edo account along with the Yoruba fable because they know your story of Oduduwa sounds foolish..
so who is fooling who?

laudate:
Edos are in Ekiti, Ondo and Osun states....?? Guy, e be like say that brand of weed you are smoking is really potent! Abi, you mix am with Codeine? If you say the Edo people in those locations, are simply guests residing over there, no problem. But they are not indigenes of those places, o!

We own those lands.. if you say we are not indigenes then we own it by conquest.. so anyhow u wan bend the truth, the end of the story will still be Edo owns those lands..

BabaRamota1980:
All these places you mentioned have a direct Yoruba ruler, called Oba or scion of a Yoruba ruler, called Omo N'Oba. Edo is ruled by Omo N'Oba, he is joined in a common ancestry with the progenitor of the dynasties on those lands you listed.

Never in the history of mankind has Edo being a ruler of any land, whether its own or that belonging to others. This is a fact of history, not a fable.

Meanwhile...still awaiting narrative of the fugitive ekaladheran.

Chai e Dey pain you say we rule una lol. Kpele.. na so life be.. there is always a conqueror and the conquered..
Thank God and my ancestors I will never feel the type of pain and shame you Yorubas are feeling from being conquered and ruled by a minority (but powerful) tribe.
Osa wese ooo..

Obalufon:
You are full ..read history ..we were first to start manufacturing guns locally dane guns .the ogun worshiper the black smiths ...even yoruba are known to have being using gun power but not for war before the Portuguese introducing it in the 16 century ..even oyo might have had contact with gun prior to that through Mali Morocco and moors northern trader Berbers and also through the trade with bornu ottoman musketeer were used by bornu empire to fight war after converting to Islam during the reign of idris alauma

Who cares if u manufactured guns first? Guns first came to Yoruba through Benin.
Read your history too you will see Benin was trading in guns and canons and you will also see that Benin supplied Eastern Yoruba with weapons in their fight against Ibadan.

By the time I’m done tormenting you and your self hating brother moorish you will confess to the truth.