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CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 9:51pm On May 28, 2018
[In fact, the measure of Benin's weakness ,can be seen in the fact that about 1876-7, a group of Ekiti and Ijesha warriors (comprising Ogedengbe of Ilesha, Aduloju and Falowo of Ado) conquered the towns and villages of the Afenmai area of the Benin kingdom and penetrated as far into the heart of the Benin kingdom as Iruekpen near Eho.
quote author=Y0ruba post=67963989]

Source: Akintoye S. A., THE NORTH-EASTERN YORUBA DISTRICTS AND THE BENIN KINGDOM, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 4, No. 4 (June 1969), pp. 539-553.[/quote]Now I believe you are just a foolish liar.. Why didn't you include how Ogedengbe fled from Edo lands with only just a warning from Benin Forces and at the sound of approaching Benin soldiers? It is all in your source you quoted.
When Benin heard Ogedengbe had penetrated into Edo land, an army was dispatched to destroy Ogedengbe, before the Benin Army attacked a message was sent to Ogedengbe to vacate Edo land and he will be spared and not killed.
Even Ogedengbe's drummers and soldiers advised him to leave or face destruction. That was how your Ogedengbe fled like a coward from Edo land. When has Benin ever fled from battle with just words or warning??

Here is what Ogedengbe's drummers sang to him that made him flee from Edo lands;

"When has Benin ever been defeated?

Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies."

All in Ogedengbe's camp heard the drums and were surprised. Anger filled Ogedengbe as he heard the drums say over and over:

"When has Benin ever been defeated?

Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies."

Doubt came to Ogedengbe. He thought: "It is true. Benin has never fallen in war." His fury for battle softened. His warriors with their weapons in their hands, they too were thinking: "Have Ogedengbe's drums ever spoken a falsehood? What they say now is so. Benin has never been beaten to the ground. Although it has many enemies Benin has only survived and grown greater."

Ogedengbe's eagerness to attack Benin diminished, until at last he ordered his fighting men to withdraw to the outskirts of the city. There he had his drummers executed for making their drums say at the very moment of attack, "When has Benin ever been defeated?" After that Ogedengbe and his army returned to Ilesha.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 7:54pm On May 28, 2018
Moorish:
British Conquest of the Sokoto Caliphate 1903

Benin Expedition of 1897

You can never find anything Online or in Books related to "Oyo British War" or "British Conquest of Oyo"

You can also never find anything online or in Books related to "Karnem Borno British War" or "Conquest of Karnem Borno"

Those are the only two peoples who were never conquered. That is why we the Yorubas were accorded massive respect by the British reason why the capital was in our territory, and they collaborated with us to build the university of Ibadan

They saw us as equals

The Karnem Borno and the Yorubas and Sokotos are of a common stock. We all owned large cavalries because we travelled around and conquered the east.

We conquered the iberian peninsula (Spain, Southern Italy and Portugal) under our commander Gibr-al-Tariq. We were known as the moors and we ruled Iberia for 700 years

That is were I get my name, Moorish

Now let me rock your boat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGgGVA58dAQ

An Edo man, who knew his forefather was the brother to mine

He said Yorubas invented langauge, Math and the concept of the University, first pyramid in sudan was built by the yorubas

Watch it man
So Yorubas are the moors that conquered Spain and also built the pyramids??
You even gave your commander a Fulani name to show that you are forever subjects of the Fulanis.
You moorish is a disgrace to moneywoman, Olu, YOruba and other Yorubas on this forum.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 7:51pm On May 28, 2018
Moorish:
British Conquest of the Sokoto Caliphate 1903

Benin Expedition of 1897

You can never find anything Online or in Books related to "Oyo British War" or "British Conquest of Oyo"

You can also never find anything online or in Books related to "Karnem Borno British War" or "Conquest of Karnem Borno"

Those are the only two peoples who were never conquered. That is why we the Yorubas were accorded massive respect by the British reason why the capital was in our territory, and they collaborated with us to build the university of Ibadan

They saw us as equals

The Karnem Borno and the Yorubas and Sokotos are of a common stock. We all owned large cavalries because we travelled around and conquered the east.

We conquered the iberian peninsula (Spain, Southern Italy and Portugal) under our commander Gibr-al-Tariq. We were known as the moors and we ruled Iberia for 700 years

That is were I get my name, Moorish

Now let me rock your boat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGgGVA58dAQ

An Edo man, who knew his forefather was the brother to mine

He said Yorubas invented langauge, Math and the concept of the University, first pyramid in sudan was built by the yorubas

Watch it man
@moorish; how can you find “British conquest of Oyo” when Oyo was long dead and decayed when the British arrived? Or you expect the British to conquer Oyo’s ghosts?
Please you Yorubas should argue with sense.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 3:19pm On May 28, 2018
Moorish:
The british had to use mercenaries from the north, mostly fulanis (Usman dan fodio), to destabilize Yoruba

The illorin/oyo people have had friendly relations with the fulanis for many years, we trusted them when they came with the islamic doctrine, and many people were disenfranchised with alaafin due to promises of economic prosperity from the muslim proselytyzer who promised the new religious adherents equality.

They now saw our supreme Alaafin as an oppressor

Fulani infiltrated then sacked our buffer kingdom of nupe, who were Oyo tributary, and they were conscripted into their armies

They are regretting it today

Lisabi killed our administrators in Egba

They are also regretting it today

Afonja then marched on Oyo

We re-mobilized in ibadan, our new capital and defeated our invaders

The british simply watched the whole thing unravel, being the masterminds behind all this

They couldn't face us one on one

They were coy and slick, gotta give them props for their mastermind strategy

My point is that Benin was not as formidable as Oyo.

Britain conscripted 1500 soldiers to take benin

White boys slaughtered benin soldiers!

Your Oba was exiled bro!

That is not an honourable thing

I wouldn't be proud of that if I were you

They had to be more strategic with the Yorubas because we were the Mighty Force in the South
@moorish, you know I always speak the truth, so I will give u a brief account of the Benin-British war of 1897..

The British forces that fought the war was about 10,000 soldiers. About 2,000 whites and the rest African conscripts (mainly western yorubas and Hausas).
The British attacked from 3 fronts: gelegele, sakponba and the main column. The main column made of about 2,000 fighters was the one that successfully reached Benin city after 2 weeks of non stop fighting with the Benin soldiers.
They had sneaked through bush parts unknown to Benin and by the time Benin realized this the column was not too far from Benin and they fought for 2 weeks before the city was captured.

The other 2 columns, the gelegele column was defeated at Ughoton by Benin soldiers and all fighters killed.
The sakponba column succeeded in burning Abraka and Jesse towns and some towns before they were decimated by the Benin soldiers.

The fall of Benin city demoralized the Benin fighters but didn’t end the war. The war ended 6months later..

FYI Benin never thought they would loose the war against the British.

Don’t compare Edo people/Benin kingdom might to Oyo.. Even the British soldiers acknowledged they fought a real war in Africa.. Oyo was dead before the British arrived and any other Yoruba resistance was just a militant fighting for deve..
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 1:23pm On May 28, 2018
Y0ruba:
You keep touting this lie without any references to any literature whatsoever. I should remind you that sources, primary & secondary, do not agree with your claim up there.

Follow me:


3. Akure is next. Akure’s throne was of Ife origin but reinvigorated by a certain Owa Ilesa. Bini invaded this town but it did not settle. Bini’s invasion was more of punitive than occupational.

Conclusively, Bini’s emergence which coincided with Oyo’s collapse provided it with the right timing and points of interest to try its hands on expansionism with. Although Bini’s army had some incursion into the Eastern part of Yorubaland. It however failed in its military attempts but recorded a bit of success in cultural exchanges through diplomatic relations. Thus, Bini’s presence in Yorubaland has been due to its historical ties to Yoruba kings and the attendant diplomatic relations they share rather than military conquests which were not sustainable and as a result, ephemeral.
Now lets discuss your #3 Akure. Benin occupied and administered Akure. You can only punish who you occupy when they go against your rule.
Read below about Akure.

"The Oba's Palace in the centre of the town was built in 1150 AD.[5] During its long history, the city-state of Akure was at times independent, at many times subject to Benin Kingdom. There is a sizable population of Edo origin in Akure. When the Benin monarchy was restored in 1914 the Edo community in Akure made strenuous efforts to reestablish ties with the Oba. They were stopped by the British. A tribute they had sent to Benin was actually returned!
Akure was the main base for Benin's trade in the area, and at times seems to have been considered within the western frontier of Benin. Historians refers to suppression of resistance by "rebellious Akure" during the reign of Oba Ewuare of Benin (1440–1473), although the king was allowed to remain as nominal ruler. Another rebellion is recorded a century later during the reign of Oba Ehengbuda of Benin.[6]
Akure had regained independence by the early 19th century, but around 1818 it was recaptured by Benin forces and the Deji was executed.

Oba Osemwende ordered the Akure punitive expedition of [1818AD] to revenged the murdered of Osague the Benin empire goodwill ambassador to Akure who was murdered with the order of Arakale the Udezi of Akure. when the news of his killing reach Benin city Battalions of royal troops under the general command of Ezomo Erebo assisted by ologboshere and Imaran were sent.
Akure was captured, but Arakale manage to escape to Ado for help, he was expelled by Ewi of Ado for fear of Benin royal troop invasion. Arakale fled from Ado to Uju from Uju to Uhen there he was finally handed over by Arinjale of Uhen to Ezomo.
Arakale was later trialed and executed. Osemwende also conquered Ekiti kingdom."

Now we shall discuss your #4, which is Benin's colony of Lagos which the whole world knows belongs to Benin.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:48pm On May 28, 2018
Y0ruba:
You keep touting this lie without any references to any literature whatsoever. I should remind you that sources, primary & secondary, do not agree with your claim up there.

Follow me:

2. Next is Ekiti. Ekiti is not a single entity and it was at no time unified. Ekiti contains original 16 kings with 16 towns in addition to several others. Ekiti is very far walking distance to Bini. Some Ekiti fringe towns experienced periodic Bini invasions. However, these towns revolted after a shortwhile because Ekiti to Bini was too far for Bini army to get reinforcement. Colonialists, Foreign researchers & local Historians have done work on this. In certain Ekiti fringe towns, Bini quarters exist there, these Bini army, after Ekiti revolts relinquish their military occupation and settle with indigenes rather than moving back to Bini.


Conclusively, Bini’s emergence which coincided with Oyo’s collapse provided it with the right timing and points of interest to try its hands on expansionism with. Although Bini’s army had some incursion into the Eastern part of Yorubaland. It however failed in its military attempts but recorded a bit of success in cultural exchanges through diplomatic relations. Thus, Bini’s presence in Yorubaland has been due to its historical ties to Yoruba kings and the attendant diplomatic relations they share rather than military conquests which were not sustainable and as a result, ephemeral.
I just love educating you yorubas on your ignorance. I already talked about Owo, you can find that above. Now let’s talk Ekiti that you said Benin armies couldn’t touch. Read below our exploits in all of Ekiti towns and villages.

Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight…The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworok..
The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job..
Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders

…the rapid expansion of Ado brought it into conflict with Benin, another power with imperialistic designs in Ekiti. Responding to the invitation by Ado’s neighbouring states who had become unduly alarmed by the consolidation and excesses of the Ewi’s power, Benin army invaded and subjugated Ado in addition to overrunning most of the other Ekiti states some of whose ruling dynasties, as in Ikere, were replaced..


Now next we shall discuss your 3rd point.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:28pm On May 28, 2018
Moorish:
I am only just studying the owo kingdom

Did owo birth benin??

Their arts are so similar, and the owo arts and crafts look like the original!!!

Olodumare blessed us oh!

Imagine if we unite!
Since you don’t know about Owo kingdom (a Benin vassal state and property) I will enlighten you on it. Read below about Owo’s relationship with Great Benin kingdom.

""Using a combination of oral traditions and written sources, this work reconstructs the history of a tropical African kingdom, the frontier Yoruba kingdom of Owo in southwestern Nigeria, from about the 12th century to the middle of the 20th century. One of a number of kingdoms springing up in this forest country in about the 11th and 12th centuries, Owo developed as a typical Yoruba kingdom, with a system of limited monarchy and careful balances of the interests of society. However, Owo was the closest Yoruba kingdom to another kingdom that was not Yoruba, that had a significantly different political system characterized by nearly complete monarchical absolutism.
Inevitably, Owo developed relationships with that kingdom, the strong, expansionist Benin kingdom of the Edo people - in trade, culture, etc. Owo seems to have grown slowly until it came under pressure of this much stronger neighbor. Benin’s ownership of coastal territory had positioned her to benefit from the coastal trade with Europeans beginning from the last years of the 15th century. Wealth from the trade and the acquisition of imported weapons of war (European guns), transformed Benin into a formidable adversary to her neighbors. Unable to match Benin’s military power, Owo strove for independent survival by entering into creative commercial and political arrangements with Benin. Over time, Owo-Benin relations attained a certain stability featuring much cultural interaction, friendly trade in each other’s domain, and traders from both kingdoms’ trading side by side far into the interior. Politically, Owo began to be impacted by the Benin system, thereby creating a long history of conflict and instability in the internal politics of the Owo kingdom. In spite of such, however, Owo continued to prosper economically. Owo also developed excellent diplomatic skills that preserved her independence and prevented frequent wars with Benin. Owo’s economic prosperity spurred cultural growth and revival, making Owo a great cultural center in Yorubaland. Although Owo’s political life never fully recovered from the disruptions imported by her contacts with Benin, Owo never ceased to be a prosperous independent kingdom. The same trends continued under the British and have continued in the context of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Ryder and Bradbury only mentioned Owo in passing in their works. Ryder says that Owo was part of the Benin Empire that extended to eastern Yorubaland in the 15th century and Bradbury says that Benin conquered Owo, one of the Yoruba states and that Owo was intermittently part of the Benin Empire before the 19th century.
For example, Bradbury has emphasized the Benin factor in the history of precolonial eastern Yorubaland. He explains this in terms of the expansionist program of Benin and its impact on the surrounding polities, including Owo. According to Bradbury: ‘It is impossible at the present time to determine the extent of the Benin empire at any particular period in the past; the frontiers were continually expanding and contracting as new conquests were made and as vassals on the borders rebelled and were conquered....
On the northeast, Akure, the Ekiti country, Owo and much of what is now Owo Division were, though intermittently, tributary to Benin; the re-conquest of this area was attempted, with some success during the early part of the 19th century. It appears from the Edo traditions that Edo influence in this area dates back to the late 16th century.’
the Benin armies extended their conquests beyond the Edo regions, subjugating many towns and villages of Ekiti, Ikare, Afenmai and the western Ibo, among them the important towns of Owo andAkure.’ 85 Akintoye complements Bradbury and Ryder by looking at the imperial activities of Benin in eastern Yorubaland: how Benin succeeded in establishing her rule or dominance in the area, how she treated the subject peoples and how she was overthrown by the coming of the British in 1897

Akintoye has dwelt more extensively on some aspects of the precolonial history of Owo, particularly her relationship with the Benin kingdom than any other scholar.
According to him, Benin had an overwhelming political, economic and cultural control over Owo until 1897. He says, without any qualifications, that
‘.. .Owo appears to have been very closely controlled from Benin.’ 89 Akintoye gives his reason for Benin’s total control of Owo by saying that this ‘... was probably due partly to Owo’s comparative nearness to Benin and her location along the main routes.’
He adds that in practical terms ‘...The Olowo (i.e. the traditional ruler of Owo) sent tributes to Benin annually through a resident official and the Owo people had to pay to the Oba of Benin obeisance customarily due to an oba. For instance, in most parts of the Yoruba country any hunter who killed a tiger or leopard had to give it up to his oba. In Owo, any hunter who killed either of these animals had to carry it to the Oba of Benin.’ Akintoye adds that ‘Owo was made to surrender its princes as hostages in the Benin court. Many Owo rulers therefore had Benin education and were responsible for introducing Benin culture to Owo. This is why Owo shows much stronger evidence of Benin cultural influence, especially in palace ritual and manners, than other towns in the area under study.’""

So @moorish, you see that Owo is more Edo than Yoruba.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 1:23am On May 28, 2018
Olu317:
I just got to answer him but not anymore. He has even tried to drag me into Egyptians history. I just wonder how these clowns can really learn be taught. Little do these clowns realised that Alexander the great didn't live for a long time before he died at age 32 and his method of conquest were not too heavily on war against some nations but his fame and conquest of Persia made many trembled and gave up their right as sovereign state and up end as vassal states under Alexander the great. Honestly, there are Edo children like minded on this thread....
I mock them so seriously.


Cheers
That is exactly how other kingdoms view Great Benin Kingdom and capitulated without a fight.. Many Yoruba kingdoms cane under Benin rule like that.. Others that stood against Benin were destroyed.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 1:20am On May 28, 2018
Obalufon:
oduduwa ..is a title we have 2 story of oduduwa ..oduduwa the creator and oduduwa the king olofiin adimula...we have ogun the irumole and ogun the king we have sango the irimole oranfe and sango the king alafin Tela oko...oduduwa the creator descend through golden chain to create the world ..likewise other deities in yoruba land
hmm so Yoruba have 2 Oduduwas? If one is the creator then the other one must be Ekhaladeran who became king in Ife.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 5:35pm On May 27, 2018
Moneywomen17:
shut up oduduwa chain myth was long after is death not just ur recent conjunction soon u will tell us that sango myth was due to one Benin chief or Ogun myth was the doing of the then Benin king. U have made no sense not once before in this thread.
So whose logic makes more sense?
Is it the Yoruba story of ododuwa descending from the sky with chains or my true story of Ekhaladeran in exile wandering into Ife with his chains still on him?

I’m only trying to help the Yorubas discover their true history.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 1:18pm On May 27, 2018
Obalufon:
most of ekiti throne has oduduwa lineage from Benin most Benin prince are crown king in ekiti they have a ruling house in ekiti that are bini lineage Benin na our brothers they are just being ibonized now that is why i want the country to breakup and let them join with the east they will be begging us later..edo influence in eastern omodua region is not by arm but obeisances to the throne of oduduwa
Do you know the origin of Oduduwa and his chain story? Let me tell u;

When Ekhaladeran was released into exile he still had the chains he was bound with when he was initially inprisoned. He had the chains on him when he wandered into Ife.
It was this chains the people of Ife saw on him a stranger who had knowledge of herbs and mystic powers so they assumed he came down from the sky with the chains!!
So my friends you now see that ;
Ekhaladeran + chains + mystic knowledge = Oduduwa from the sky!
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:11am On May 27, 2018
Olu317:
Just imaging what you just typed? So , because you are trying to safe your humiliation, you drag in Alexander the great and Ataturk? Do you not know history? Faroe/Fero/Pharaoh or kings that Alexander fought against their kingdom or empire never changed the position of such king once he pledged loyalty. Stop confusing yourself, Macedonia that Alexander came out of is still acknowledged as part of Greece. What exactly is your problem? How many Yoruba kings did your oba made to learn Edo language or pledged loyalty? For your information, Alexander the great was a Greek and spoke the language, how does this correlate with your tiny subdued Edo people and her language that was and still understood by you people only? An Isolated with closeness to extinction language of yours that got separated from Urhobo/Isoko clans . And you are here comparing different circumstances and historical account? You are a big clown. Vous voyez, if you have nothing tangible the same ways you had done in the recent past,then Please stop quoting me because you're a learner and not resourceful .
Maybe if I explain things point by point Yorubas will understand..

1. Great Benin kingdom conquered and ruled Eastern Yoruba
2. Yoruba towns and villages were sacked and burnt by Benin armies.
3. Yorubas were taken hostages by Benin and resettled in different places (like Babylon did Israelites)
4. Yoruba Obas were paying tributes to the Oba of Benin.
5. Yoruba princes in lands under Benin control were required to serve as slaves in our palace before they could go back home to be king
6. About 40% of Eastern Yoruba are Edo people making eastern Yoruba Edo lands.
7. When Benin armies are coming whole towns and villages are evacuated and the people flee into bushes and mountains to hide.
8. Benin kingdom saw the birth and brutal death of Oyo.
CultureRe: Oluwo Of Iwo Walks Out Of Yoruba Event In Port Harcout As Organizers Omit Photo by davidnazee: 11:23pm On May 25, 2018
dammy13:
​Oluwo Of Iwo Walks Out Of Yoruba Event In Port Harcourt After Organizers Omit Photo From Programme Brochure



He also charged all Yoruba sons and daughters in the state to embrace peace and work together as one united family.

Adams, however, berated the Rivers state Governor, Nyesom Wike, for saying the Yorubas have no electoral value.

‘I have it on good record from one of the leaders of Yoruba community in Port Harcourt that the governor allegedly said the Yorubas have no electoral value in Nigeria’s politics. That comment as far as I am concerned, was uncomplimentary to us as a race with over 200 million people across the world.

It is sad too that such comment came from a person that lives on peoples’ patronages, particularly, a governor that had in the past, enjoyed the supports of the race all through his political career.

Today, as I stand before you, it is my hope and prayer that governor Wike moves higher in his political desire and aspirations to the level where he would need the support of the Yoruba people either in the state or at the national level, then we will show him how important the race is in Nigeria’s politics and the world at large.”

Adams noted also that the omission of his picture and that of the Oluwo from the event brochure was done in error, saying there is the need to encourage the organisers of the programme for putting up such historic gathering.

http://kikiotolu.com/oluwo-of-iwo-walks-out-of-yoruba-event-after-organizers-omits-photo-from-programme-brochure/
How Yoruba reach 200million people?? Na wa ooo
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 3:43pm On May 25, 2018
[quote author=Obalufon post=67867562][/quote]It’s you yorubas that are envious of Edos. Our history is filled with stories of our might, our conquests, expansion, colonization, advancements and civilization and our relationships with the rest of the world.. something the Yorubas couldn’t achieve..
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 3:37pm On May 25, 2018
Olu317:
If you are so sure of all this your fairytale,tell your Edo kinsmen to go and wage war against the Eastern Yorubaland and claim the place if they will ever return back to Edo. Isn't it disgraceful for Edos, to answer Yoruba names except such probably has a Yoruba ancestry? And here you are sending trash online...
My brother don’t pray for war with the Edos.. only the ethnic Edos in Eastern Yorubaland will be a problem for the Yorubas not to talk of the entire Edo armies marching down on Yorubas..
If Nigeria breaks apart Eastern Yoruba will be war zone because we taking what is ours back..
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 9:34am On May 25, 2018
Obalufon:
talk about ruling anambra to abia they are your kinsmen
Yes they are and also Eastern Yoruba is Edo land.. anywhere there is Edo people is Edo land.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:11pm On May 24, 2018
Obalufon:
never ruled Yoruba land they were paying tribute to the throne being a lineage of oduduwa nothing more son. never by war..
and this;

The Olowo (i.e. the traditional ruler of Owo) sent tributes to Benin annually through a resident official and the Owo people had to pay to the Oba of Benin obeisance customarily due to an oba. For instance, in most parts of the Yoruba country any hunter who killed a tiger or leopard had to give it up to his oba. In Owo, any hunter who killed either of these animals had to carry it to the Oba of Benin.’ Akintoye adds that ‘Owo was made to surrender its princes as hostages in the Benin court. Many Owo rulers therefore had Benin education and were responsible for introducing Benin culture to Owo. This is why Owo shows much stronger evidence of Benin cultural influence, especially in palace ritual and manners, than other towns in the area under study.’""
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:07pm On May 24, 2018
Obalufon:
never ruled Yoruba land they were paying tribute to the throne being a lineage of oduduwa nothing more son. never by war..
Really?? Never by war?
So what’s the meaning of this;

Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight…The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworok..
The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job..
Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders

…the rapid expansion of Ado brought it into conflict with Benin, another power with imperialistic designs in Ekiti. Responding to the invitation by Ado’s neighbouring states who had become unduly alarmed by the consolidation and excesses of the Ewi’s power, Benin army invaded and subjugated Ado in addition to overrunning most of the other Ekiti states some of whose ruling dynasties, as in Ikere, were replaced…’’"’

Eastern Yorubalands will remain part of Benin Kingdom..
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 10:27pm On May 24, 2018
Obalufon:
yeah Benin ruled over human eating naked people ..savages
So the vast number of Yoruba lands and people Great Benin ruled was unclad savages?
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 4:00pm On May 24, 2018
Olu317:
I salute you too my brother. I recognise you, Obalufon's Prince.

Cheers
So u be princehuh Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:06pm On May 23, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Are you people even aware that at one time you were raided by Arochukwus,...... Ibos? This was before Ife came to your rescue.

Are you aware of this? You want see the history? grin
Is it the same Ibos that is now taking over Lagos you claim to be Yoruba? You guys have been relegated to the slums.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:04pm On May 23, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
We dont have to answer you. The answer is available in the historical accounts of Itsekiri, Ijaw, Onitsha....unless you want to say everybody in your neighborhood is a liar and Edo is the only one on truth.
Historical accounts of Itsekiri, ijaws and Onitsha? So you agree now that Yoruba don’t have any reliable historical accounts only myths and legends lol.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:02pm On May 23, 2018
prolog2:
Also Auchi was never islamized through jihad. The Attaru who was an Enogie untill the defeat or demise of Oba Ovonramwen chose to convert to islam and took the title Attaru. Auchi People and their leader are 100 percent Edo. �
I never knew the Otaru of Auchi used to be known as Enogie.. thanks for the info.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:58am On May 23, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Bini conquered and enslaved Edo
and Edo people conquered and ruled Eastern Yorubalands.. about 30% of Eastern Yoruba population is Edo people.. We own those lands by right of conquest.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:56am On May 23, 2018
geosegun:
You should be totally ignored for this balderdash. How there you say edo conquered Yoruba, when? how? where? Can the conquered named the city that conquered them?that shows the Yoruba helped the Benin to achieve a meaning civilizations. Yoruba never conquered Benin, Yoruba Fathered Benin and you can't change history, no matter how hard you try, young man. lol
Go read and research history.. Eastern Yorubaland was part of Benin Empire.. Benin Empire conquered and ruled all those lands (Ekiti, Ondo, Osun and Lagos).. ask your brothers if you think its a lie..
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:46am On May 23, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Bini is a class, an aristocracy, the class of elites...the pioneers of your civilization! The Edo aborigenes were conquered and subordinated by them.

Its unfortunate you have turned the Bini against their own background to the extent some of them no longer walk with pride of place and nobility in your society. Theyve allowed you to demote their status, they now answer when an Edo is called. They ought only to answer when a call goes out for a Biniman to stand up. They are not in same low class with you....they are your Masters. The descendants of Great princes, warriors, priests, hunters, artistes....pioneers of Bini civilization!

Itsekiri monarchy knows the difference....they claim descent from Bini, never from Edo.

Onitsha monarchy, Agbor, these palaces know who Edo is but yet claim descent from the noble class of Bini.

Lagos monarchy has never ever mentioned Edo as its birther...always Bini.

So the Binis amongst you need to have pride of origin in Ife, the common roots of the many Southern dynasties....in Bini, the birther of pioneers and sovereing powers.....in Lagos, Itsekiri, Onitsha, Agbor....

Dont make me vexx and I have to tutor you here. grin. Do you hear me? angry
So will you agree that this Bini you talk so much about conquered and ruled Yorubalands??
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:44am On May 23, 2018
Olu317:
So Ijaws are now Edo cum Bini ? Since, you have mentioned “ILORIN COUSINS", What about the Nupe migrants that Islamized Auchi through Jihad ? Mind you, Ilorin was not attacked or sacked by anyone. Ilorin was different from Auchi because Afonja that had a disagreement with Alaafin Oyo in 1817. The difference is clear Edo man!.
Ilorin was not sacked or attacked but its forever a Fulani territory.. Auchi is ruled by Auchi native unlike Ilorin that is ruled by Fulani..
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:38am On May 23, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Let me school you. You have Bini, descendants of Ife settlers, and you have Edo, the aborigines.

When Yoruba talk about our kins we are referring to Binis, not Edos.

Ile Ife, gave birth to Bini civilization which in turn gave birth to Itsekiri, Lagos and Onitsha monarchies.

In Lagos you have two classes of Yoruba - Aworis and Binis, both emigrants from Ife.

In Itsekiri you have two classes of Yoruba - Ijebu, Ilaje and Bini, all emigrants of Ife.

In Onitsha you have a proto-Yoruba monarchy whose ancestors were Ife descendants that settled and civilized Edo before proceeding out of Bini Eastward. Their kins are the monarchies of Ika and Agbor.

In Ijaw you have the ORU, descendants of a people who departed Ife a long time ago.

The Itshekiri, the Ijaw, the Awori, the Ijebu, the Ilajes....all are Molokun. The Awori and the Ilaje are non-warriors but blessed with immense resources. The Ijebu, the Ijaw and the Itshekiris are naval warriors.

In fact all five Molokuns are immensely blessed.


I am yet to hear of a civilization birthed out of Edo. If Yoruba had not settled and civilized your land and opened your eyes you will be the least developed of all peoples of the South. ..shyyte...look where you are today inspite of many centuries of civilized foreign culture in your midst. So imagine where you'd be without one to begin with. The Urhobos, Etsakos, Isokos....all advanced and moving forward independently. You Edos remain narrow and dead-end wasting time preserving a Bini throne that does not need your protection to survive.

Oba does not laugh in public, Oba does not talk in public, Oba does not blink in public, Oba does not step out of palace, Oba does not travel, Oba does not step foot on the ground, Oba does not give speech in public, Oba does not shake hand in public, Oba does not wave in public.
....Oba na doll baby?

grin grin.

Yeye people!
Yoruba!!! always trying to claim relevance.. nobody's fault your ancestors could not give you the kind of history you want, now you rely on myths and legends and lies to claim relevance.
what your ancestors could not do in battlefields you guys are doing on nairaland!
Benin kingdom conquered and ruled yoruba.. that is a truth you cannot run away from..
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:28am On May 23, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Bini is a class, an aristocracy, the class of elites...the pioneers of your civilization! The Edo aborigenes were conquered and subordinated by them.

Its unfortunate you have turned the Bini against their own background to the extent some of them no longer walk with pride of place and nobility in your society. Theyve allowed you to demote their status, they now answer when an Edo is called. They ought only to answer when a call goes out for a Biniman to stand up. They are not in same low class with you....they are your Masters. The descendants of Great princes, warriors, priests, hunters, artistes....pioneers of Bini civilization!

Itsekiri monarchy knows the difference....they claim descent from Bini, never from Edo.

Onitsha monarchy, Agbor, these palaces know who Edo is but yet claim descent from the noble class of Bini.

Lagos monarchy has never ever mentioned Edo as its birther...always Bini.

So the Binis amongst you need to have pride of origin in Ife, the common roots of the many Southern dynasties....in Bini, the birther of pioneers and sovereing powers.....in Lagos, Itsekiri, Onitsha, Agbor....

Dont make me vexx and I have to tutor you here. grin. Do you hear me? angry
So was it Bini or Edo that conquered and ruled Yoruba?
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:30pm On May 22, 2018
Olu317:
So,all Edo people are from Bini and Identify as Oviedo ? You're seriously in need of enlightenment. Have you not seen people in Edo that don't claim allegiance to Bini? ....I am mocking at your ignorance.
What is bini? It’s only you yorubas that use that description.. u are really a dumbass.
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 11:28pm On May 22, 2018
geosegun:
You should be totally ignored for this balderdash. How there you say edo conquered Yoruba, when? how? where? Can the conquered named the city that conquered them?that shows the Yoruba helped the Benin to achieve a meaning civilizations. Yoruba never conquered Benin, Yoruba Fathered Benin and you can't change history, no matter how hard you try, young man. lol
How can Yoruba father Benin when Benin city is older than Ife? When Oranmiyan came to Benin as claimed, did he come to empty land or a non existent place?
CultureRe: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 9:32pm On May 22, 2018
Olu317:
Oh! you come up again with this one ? You are an Edo man that do not know Bini is meaningless in Edo language but of yoruba origin. So you think Anthony Enahoro , didn't believed in Yoruba philosophy despite his Bini- Uromi ancestry ? Anyway, he remained a Yoruba property because from the place he was born is named 'Esan' and (originally, 'E san fia' owes its origin to Bini (meaning, 'they have fled' or 'they jumped away'), É sa fun â/fu hâ/ fun won/ as same with Yoruba words for description of people who run away from somewhere. This just showed that he was from Uromi and shared affinity with Yoruba . He singlehandedly went against creation of mid west being from Yoruba Land. If you don't know, google is your help mate.....A great man he was and will always be in the mindset of Yorubas.
By the way, no Edo person calls himself bini.. it’s a description used by foreigners like you.. when you hear an Edo person calls himself “benin” he means He is from Benin city or Benin kingdom not your “bini tribe” ..
It was Benin Kingdom of Edo people that conquered and ruled Yoruba.

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