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[In fact, the measure of Benin's weakness ,can be seen in the fact that about 1876-7, a group of Ekiti and Ijesha warriors (comprising Ogedengbe of Ilesha, Aduloju and Falowo of Ado) conquered the towns and villages of the Afenmai area of the Benin kingdom and penetrated as far into the heart of the Benin kingdom as Iruekpen near Eho. quote author=Y0ruba post=67963989] Source: Akintoye S. A., THE NORTH-EASTERN YORUBA DISTRICTS AND THE BENIN KINGDOM, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 4, No. 4 (June 1969), pp. 539-553.[/quote]Now I believe you are just a foolish liar.. Why didn't you include how Ogedengbe fled from Edo lands with only just a warning from Benin Forces and at the sound of approaching Benin soldiers? It is all in your source you quoted. When Benin heard Ogedengbe had penetrated into Edo land, an army was dispatched to destroy Ogedengbe, before the Benin Army attacked a message was sent to Ogedengbe to vacate Edo land and he will be spared and not killed. Even Ogedengbe's drummers and soldiers advised him to leave or face destruction. That was how your Ogedengbe fled like a coward from Edo land. When has Benin ever fled from battle with just words or warning?? Here is what Ogedengbe's drummers sang to him that made him flee from Edo lands; "When has Benin ever been defeated? Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies." All in Ogedengbe's camp heard the drums and were surprised. Anger filled Ogedengbe as he heard the drums say over and over: "When has Benin ever been defeated? Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies." Doubt came to Ogedengbe. He thought: "It is true. Benin has never fallen in war." His fury for battle softened. His warriors with their weapons in their hands, they too were thinking: "Have Ogedengbe's drums ever spoken a falsehood? What they say now is so. Benin has never been beaten to the ground. Although it has many enemies Benin has only survived and grown greater." Ogedengbe's eagerness to attack Benin diminished, until at last he ordered his fighting men to withdraw to the outskirts of the city. There he had his drummers executed for making their drums say at the very moment of attack, "When has Benin ever been defeated?" After that Ogedengbe and his army returned to Ilesha. |
Moorish:So Yorubas are the moors that conquered Spain and also built the pyramids?? You even gave your commander a Fulani name to show that you are forever subjects of the Fulanis. You moorish is a disgrace to moneywoman, Olu, YOruba and other Yorubas on this forum. |
Moorish:@moorish; how can you find “British conquest of Oyo” when Oyo was long dead and decayed when the British arrived? Or you expect the British to conquer Oyo’s ghosts? Please you Yorubas should argue with sense. |
Moorish:@moorish, you know I always speak the truth, so I will give u a brief account of the Benin-British war of 1897.. The British forces that fought the war was about 10,000 soldiers. About 2,000 whites and the rest African conscripts (mainly western yorubas and Hausas). The British attacked from 3 fronts: gelegele, sakponba and the main column. The main column made of about 2,000 fighters was the one that successfully reached Benin city after 2 weeks of non stop fighting with the Benin soldiers. They had sneaked through bush parts unknown to Benin and by the time Benin realized this the column was not too far from Benin and they fought for 2 weeks before the city was captured. The other 2 columns, the gelegele column was defeated at Ughoton by Benin soldiers and all fighters killed. The sakponba column succeeded in burning Abraka and Jesse towns and some towns before they were decimated by the Benin soldiers. The fall of Benin city demoralized the Benin fighters but didn’t end the war. The war ended 6months later.. FYI Benin never thought they would loose the war against the British. Don’t compare Edo people/Benin kingdom might to Oyo.. Even the British soldiers acknowledged they fought a real war in Africa.. Oyo was dead before the British arrived and any other Yoruba resistance was just a militant fighting for deve.. |
Y0ruba:Now lets discuss your #3 Akure. Benin occupied and administered Akure. You can only punish who you occupy when they go against your rule. Read below about Akure. "The Oba's Palace in the centre of the town was built in 1150 AD.[5] During its long history, the city-state of Akure was at times independent, at many times subject to Benin Kingdom. There is a sizable population of Edo origin in Akure. When the Benin monarchy was restored in 1914 the Edo community in Akure made strenuous efforts to reestablish ties with the Oba. They were stopped by the British. A tribute they had sent to Benin was actually returned! Akure was the main base for Benin's trade in the area, and at times seems to have been considered within the western frontier of Benin. Historians refers to suppression of resistance by "rebellious Akure" during the reign of Oba Ewuare of Benin (1440–1473), although the king was allowed to remain as nominal ruler. Another rebellion is recorded a century later during the reign of Oba Ehengbuda of Benin.[6] Akure had regained independence by the early 19th century, but around 1818 it was recaptured by Benin forces and the Deji was executed. Oba Osemwende ordered the Akure punitive expedition of [1818AD] to revenged the murdered of Osague the Benin empire goodwill ambassador to Akure who was murdered with the order of Arakale the Udezi of Akure. when the news of his killing reach Benin city Battalions of royal troops under the general command of Ezomo Erebo assisted by ologboshere and Imaran were sent. Akure was captured, but Arakale manage to escape to Ado for help, he was expelled by Ewi of Ado for fear of Benin royal troop invasion. Arakale fled from Ado to Uju from Uju to Uhen there he was finally handed over by Arinjale of Uhen to Ezomo. Arakale was later trialed and executed. Osemwende also conquered Ekiti kingdom." Now we shall discuss your #4, which is Benin's colony of Lagos which the whole world knows belongs to Benin. |
Y0ruba:I just love educating you yorubas on your ignorance. I already talked about Owo, you can find that above. Now let’s talk Ekiti that you said Benin armies couldn’t touch. Read below our exploits in all of Ekiti towns and villages. Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight…The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworok.. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job.. Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders …the rapid expansion of Ado brought it into conflict with Benin, another power with imperialistic designs in Ekiti. Responding to the invitation by Ado’s neighbouring states who had become unduly alarmed by the consolidation and excesses of the Ewi’s power, Benin army invaded and subjugated Ado in addition to overrunning most of the other Ekiti states some of whose ruling dynasties, as in Ikere, were replaced.. Now next we shall discuss your 3rd point. |
Moorish:Since you don’t know about Owo kingdom (a Benin vassal state and property) I will enlighten you on it. Read below about Owo’s relationship with Great Benin kingdom. ""Using a combination of oral traditions and written sources, this work reconstructs the history of a tropical African kingdom, the frontier Yoruba kingdom of Owo in southwestern Nigeria, from about the 12th century to the middle of the 20th century. One of a number of kingdoms springing up in this forest country in about the 11th and 12th centuries, Owo developed as a typical Yoruba kingdom, with a system of limited monarchy and careful balances of the interests of society. However, Owo was the closest Yoruba kingdom to another kingdom that was not Yoruba, that had a significantly different political system characterized by nearly complete monarchical absolutism. Inevitably, Owo developed relationships with that kingdom, the strong, expansionist Benin kingdom of the Edo people - in trade, culture, etc. Owo seems to have grown slowly until it came under pressure of this much stronger neighbor. Benin’s ownership of coastal territory had positioned her to benefit from the coastal trade with Europeans beginning from the last years of the 15th century. Wealth from the trade and the acquisition of imported weapons of war (European guns), transformed Benin into a formidable adversary to her neighbors. Unable to match Benin’s military power, Owo strove for independent survival by entering into creative commercial and political arrangements with Benin. Over time, Owo-Benin relations attained a certain stability featuring much cultural interaction, friendly trade in each other’s domain, and traders from both kingdoms’ trading side by side far into the interior. Politically, Owo began to be impacted by the Benin system, thereby creating a long history of conflict and instability in the internal politics of the Owo kingdom. In spite of such, however, Owo continued to prosper economically. Owo also developed excellent diplomatic skills that preserved her independence and prevented frequent wars with Benin. Owo’s economic prosperity spurred cultural growth and revival, making Owo a great cultural center in Yorubaland. Although Owo’s political life never fully recovered from the disruptions imported by her contacts with Benin, Owo never ceased to be a prosperous independent kingdom. The same trends continued under the British and have continued in the context of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. Ryder and Bradbury only mentioned Owo in passing in their works. Ryder says that Owo was part of the Benin Empire that extended to eastern Yorubaland in the 15th century and Bradbury says that Benin conquered Owo, one of the Yoruba states and that Owo was intermittently part of the Benin Empire before the 19th century. For example, Bradbury has emphasized the Benin factor in the history of precolonial eastern Yorubaland. He explains this in terms of the expansionist program of Benin and its impact on the surrounding polities, including Owo. According to Bradbury: ‘It is impossible at the present time to determine the extent of the Benin empire at any particular period in the past; the frontiers were continually expanding and contracting as new conquests were made and as vassals on the borders rebelled and were conquered.... On the northeast, Akure, the Ekiti country, Owo and much of what is now Owo Division were, though intermittently, tributary to Benin; the re-conquest of this area was attempted, with some success during the early part of the 19th century. It appears from the Edo traditions that Edo influence in this area dates back to the late 16th century.’ the Benin armies extended their conquests beyond the Edo regions, subjugating many towns and villages of Ekiti, Ikare, Afenmai and the western Ibo, among them the important towns of Owo andAkure.’ 85 Akintoye complements Bradbury and Ryder by looking at the imperial activities of Benin in eastern Yorubaland: how Benin succeeded in establishing her rule or dominance in the area, how she treated the subject peoples and how she was overthrown by the coming of the British in 1897 Akintoye has dwelt more extensively on some aspects of the precolonial history of Owo, particularly her relationship with the Benin kingdom than any other scholar. According to him, Benin had an overwhelming political, economic and cultural control over Owo until 1897. He says, without any qualifications, that ‘.. .Owo appears to have been very closely controlled from Benin.’ 89 Akintoye gives his reason for Benin’s total control of Owo by saying that this ‘... was probably due partly to Owo’s comparative nearness to Benin and her location along the main routes.’ He adds that in practical terms ‘...The Olowo (i.e. the traditional ruler of Owo) sent tributes to Benin annually through a resident official and the Owo people had to pay to the Oba of Benin obeisance customarily due to an oba. For instance, in most parts of the Yoruba country any hunter who killed a tiger or leopard had to give it up to his oba. In Owo, any hunter who killed either of these animals had to carry it to the Oba of Benin.’ Akintoye adds that ‘Owo was made to surrender its princes as hostages in the Benin court. Many Owo rulers therefore had Benin education and were responsible for introducing Benin culture to Owo. This is why Owo shows much stronger evidence of Benin cultural influence, especially in palace ritual and manners, than other towns in the area under study.’"" So @moorish, you see that Owo is more Edo than Yoruba. |
Olu317:That is exactly how other kingdoms view Great Benin Kingdom and capitulated without a fight.. Many Yoruba kingdoms cane under Benin rule like that.. Others that stood against Benin were destroyed. |
Obalufon:hmm so Yoruba have 2 Oduduwas? If one is the creator then the other one must be Ekhaladeran who became king in Ife. |
Moneywomen17:So whose logic makes more sense? Is it the Yoruba story of ododuwa descending from the sky with chains or my true story of Ekhaladeran in exile wandering into Ife with his chains still on him? I’m only trying to help the Yorubas discover their true history. |
Obalufon:Do you know the origin of Oduduwa and his chain story? Let me tell u; When Ekhaladeran was released into exile he still had the chains he was bound with when he was initially inprisoned. He had the chains on him when he wandered into Ife. It was this chains the people of Ife saw on him a stranger who had knowledge of herbs and mystic powers so they assumed he came down from the sky with the chains!! So my friends you now see that ; Ekhaladeran + chains + mystic knowledge = Oduduwa from the sky! |
Olu317:Maybe if I explain things point by point Yorubas will understand.. 1. Great Benin kingdom conquered and ruled Eastern Yoruba 2. Yoruba towns and villages were sacked and burnt by Benin armies. 3. Yorubas were taken hostages by Benin and resettled in different places (like Babylon did Israelites) 4. Yoruba Obas were paying tributes to the Oba of Benin. 5. Yoruba princes in lands under Benin control were required to serve as slaves in our palace before they could go back home to be king 6. About 40% of Eastern Yoruba are Edo people making eastern Yoruba Edo lands. 7. When Benin armies are coming whole towns and villages are evacuated and the people flee into bushes and mountains to hide. 8. Benin kingdom saw the birth and brutal death of Oyo. |
dammy13:How Yoruba reach 200million people?? Na wa ooo |
[quote author=Obalufon post=67867562][/quote]It’s you yorubas that are envious of Edos. Our history is filled with stories of our might, our conquests, expansion, colonization, advancements and civilization and our relationships with the rest of the world.. something the Yorubas couldn’t achieve.. |
Olu317:My brother don’t pray for war with the Edos.. only the ethnic Edos in Eastern Yorubaland will be a problem for the Yorubas not to talk of the entire Edo armies marching down on Yorubas.. If Nigeria breaks apart Eastern Yoruba will be war zone because we taking what is ours back.. |
Obalufon:Yes they are and also Eastern Yoruba is Edo land.. anywhere there is Edo people is Edo land. |
Obalufon:and this; The Olowo (i.e. the traditional ruler of Owo) sent tributes to Benin annually through a resident official and the Owo people had to pay to the Oba of Benin obeisance customarily due to an oba. For instance, in most parts of the Yoruba country any hunter who killed a tiger or leopard had to give it up to his oba. In Owo, any hunter who killed either of these animals had to carry it to the Oba of Benin.’ Akintoye adds that ‘Owo was made to surrender its princes as hostages in the Benin court. Many Owo rulers therefore had Benin education and were responsible for introducing Benin culture to Owo. This is why Owo shows much stronger evidence of Benin cultural influence, especially in palace ritual and manners, than other towns in the area under study.’"" |
Obalufon:Really?? Never by war? So what’s the meaning of this; Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight…The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworok.. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job.. Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders …the rapid expansion of Ado brought it into conflict with Benin, another power with imperialistic designs in Ekiti. Responding to the invitation by Ado’s neighbouring states who had become unduly alarmed by the consolidation and excesses of the Ewi’s power, Benin army invaded and subjugated Ado in addition to overrunning most of the other Ekiti states some of whose ruling dynasties, as in Ikere, were replaced…’’"’ Eastern Yorubalands will remain part of Benin Kingdom.. |
Obalufon:So the vast number of Yoruba lands and people Great Benin ruled was unclad savages? |
Olu317:So u be prince Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
BabaRamota1980:Is it the same Ibos that is now taking over Lagos you claim to be Yoruba? You guys have been relegated to the slums. |
BabaRamota1980:Historical accounts of Itsekiri, ijaws and Onitsha? So you agree now that Yoruba don’t have any reliable historical accounts only myths and legends lol. |
prolog2:I never knew the Otaru of Auchi used to be known as Enogie.. thanks for the info. |
BabaRamota1980:and Edo people conquered and ruled Eastern Yorubalands.. about 30% of Eastern Yoruba population is Edo people.. We own those lands by right of conquest. |
geosegun:Go read and research history.. Eastern Yorubaland was part of Benin Empire.. Benin Empire conquered and ruled all those lands (Ekiti, Ondo, Osun and Lagos).. ask your brothers if you think its a lie.. |
BabaRamota1980:So will you agree that this Bini you talk so much about conquered and ruled Yorubalands?? |
Olu317:Ilorin was not sacked or attacked but its forever a Fulani territory.. Auchi is ruled by Auchi native unlike Ilorin that is ruled by Fulani.. |
BabaRamota1980:Yoruba!!! always trying to claim relevance.. nobody's fault your ancestors could not give you the kind of history you want, now you rely on myths and legends and lies to claim relevance. what your ancestors could not do in battlefields you guys are doing on nairaland! Benin kingdom conquered and ruled yoruba.. that is a truth you cannot run away from.. |
BabaRamota1980:So was it Bini or Edo that conquered and ruled Yoruba? |
Olu317:What is bini? It’s only you yorubas that use that description.. u are really a dumbass. |
geosegun:How can Yoruba father Benin when Benin city is older than Ife? When Oranmiyan came to Benin as claimed, did he come to empty land or a non existent place? |
Olu317:By the way, no Edo person calls himself bini.. it’s a description used by foreigners like you.. when you hear an Edo person calls himself “benin” he means He is from Benin city or Benin kingdom not your “bini tribe” .. It was Benin Kingdom of Edo people that conquered and ruled Yoruba. |
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