₦airaland Forum

Obalufon:
Benin is not relevant in the world yoruba is pride of every Afrocentric all over the world .. yoruba is at the forefront of African civilization something to debate about ...you people are animals accept it you RE NOT CIVILIZED YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHIN YOURSELVES WITHOUT MISBEHAVING YOU ARE ALL RUNNING TO SOUTHWEST TO LIVE

Shut up.. nobody is running to the Southwest. Only place people are running to is the Benin colony of Lagos. Used to be Benin’s property but now the igbos are using their wealth to claim it. Nothing for the Yorubas..

Obalufon:
moronic you want to fight canon and machine gun with bow and arrow...egba sand ijebu that fought the white people had guns and canon but they were out gunned by the British both side lost to avoid more casualty they reached a meaningful agreement to seize fire and dialog but your people were so brainwash thought they could fight gun with bow and arrow and your king paid heavily for it ,no experience in war ethics

Liar ooo.. you are the worst so far.
Edo people were the first to start using guns and canons. All guns and canons that Yoruba had they got from Benin. Benin Kingdom even supplies you people with weapons during the Ekiti parakpo wars.. so as old as you are you still believe that fairy tales about bows and arrows? U be real dummy.

Obalufon:
your slaves have a clothing culture and well organised governing system yet the masters were running around the forest with rapper tied around their waist raping killing weaker tribes in the jungle. itsekiri were the remnant of yoruba that were living with you people to civilize you further till you pushed them out with your animistic behavior even the white attested to the fact the itsekiri were more intelligent people of the region to deal with that ego made your chiefs hung and the oba flogged on his way to calabar by ijaw Askaris soldiers .that strait is still in you people of edo predominantly Benin people ..your male harden psychotic criminal acting without gumption , female possessed nymphomaniac prostitutes you people are delusional if yoruba hadn't moved southward you people won't have been civilized at all we be brought you clothing culture looming ,sanity religion we even support you with our dna to boost you primitive monkey gene to evolve abit ..

Ranting of a pained and frustrated Yoruba man. It’s nobody’s fault your ancestors didn’t leave you people a legacy or history to be confidently proud of. Rather they left u guys a history full of servitude and of being conquered and enslaved. Abi u never notice that only available documents of Yoruba history is full of how your fathers were conquered by the Edos, ruled by the nupes, sold into slavery by fellow Yorubas and islamized and forever ruled by the Fulanis
Not my fault boy..

Moneywomen17:
davidnaze I see u are still here saying the usual bullshit lol. Why limit the people who are edo in ur comment why not say everybody is edo u joker huh lol.

I’m a honest man and not a liar like yorubas. I won’t claim what’s not mine. I say it as it is. Everybody is not Edo. The Edos are in Edo, delta, Ekiti, ondo and Osun states including the Edo colony of Lagos.

Obalufon:
you people are die heart morons .. you won't yield osemawe edo ..everything na do do doh!!!!! ..go do!!! your elders

The truth is a bitter pill u will be forced to swallow.

BabaRamota1980:
You are useless, i swear.

See as you dey ask me if i truly want answers to the same questions that i repeatedly asked since beginning. We are on page 43 for christ's sake!

Start from the root of his banishment. How did prince of Edo become criminal?

Im listening...and yes, I want to hear it.

Ekhaladeran/Oduduwa wasn’t a criminal.. nobody said he was a criminal.

BabaRamota1980:
Okay, did you just wake up?

We have given step by step how Oranmiyan became king over you.

Please detail the circumstance of ekaladheran departing Edo. What happened?

Then tell us his journey to Ufe and how he transformed and became Oduduwa.

Ive asked this since page 1. Here we are tens of pages later and you are just facing it. Well we thank God you will finally address it.

Im listening....

You want to know how Ekhaladeran got to Ife and settled among them? Or how after years living among the Iferians he rose to prominence, gained the trust of the people and gathered followers? Or how in the final battle against Obalata then reigning king in Ife, Ekhaladeran Killed Obalata and beheaded him and became ruler of Ife? Do you want to know how the Ife people corrupted his chosen name Izoduwa to Oduduwa?
Babaramota the answers you seek will only bring you pain and heartbreaks..
Let’s stay focused on Edo’s dominion over Yorubas.

DaHfiD:
why don't you add glory to it¿

How did you turn ? upside down? Naija una witchcraft too much ���

BabaRamota1980:

Historians say a foreigner civilized you, you turned around to say you have been around for a thousand years.

Who cares if you have been around a million....Yoruba is your father, period! How long youve been around is immaterial.

Bow down and give praise to Oranmiyan, the conqueror and pioneer of your civilization.

Oranmiyan the son of Ekhaladeran who became your deity Oduduwa..
Very soon a descendant of Ekhaladeran (Oduduwa) will again take the Ife seat from this present Oni lineage of a slave usurper.

BabaRamota1980:
Ol' boy, stop worrying yourself.
Just follow the steps of your king and you will be straight. If you remain deluded in the Edo fables you will stay crooked for ever.

Your Oba said Oranmiyan was the first Oba of Bini. He talked the talk and walked the walk...he went to Ife and paid homage to his ancestors.

Now you can disagree with your Oba all you want, my own be say....Ooni is the father.

Babaramota I have said it countless time that your have succeeded in deceiving yourself and shamefully running away from the truth.
Have any Edo person argued if Oranmiyan was a ruler in Benin Kingdom?? Oranmiyan is an Edo son so why argue about that?
The arguments have always been Edo is superior to Yoruba and Ekhaladeran is Oduduwa an Edo prince who defeated and killed Obalata of Ife to become your first Oni..

As for the my Oba’s statement, when our previous Oba, Oba Erediuwa who forever reigns in afterlife said Oduduwa was an Edo prince do you know what your Alaffin of Oyo said? He said the Oba of Benin is right!!
Now u can go hit your head on the wall.

Olu317:
Oh I see ,yet this was what BBC got from your elders,who were Bush people, when Yoruba came in contact with you.

Thank you very much for the picture now I like u a little even though u are still a mugu.
Didn’t you read the BBC narrative under the picture? It says over a thousand years ago Edo people built a Kingdom!!
Edo was first, Edo saw the birth and death of weak Oyo, conquered and ruled Yorubas when yorubas migrated from wherever to West Africa..
History had judged Edo to be greater than Yoruba.

Olu317:
How can I be under you when my ancestors invaded your town that belonged to Ogiamien? Whatever name you refer here only show how unintelligent you are. Any way, I leave you to your delusion. Yoruba reign over your land locked Edonation,with less than 2.5 million in population. I spit on your mannerless writing online.

You argue out of frustration at the facts and evidence around you because they point to Edo as supreme over Yoruba.
In the whole of present day edoland Yoruba only lay false claim to Oba of Benin with no evidence.. but throughout out present day Yoruba lands Edo lay true claims to almost all.. Alafin is Edo, Osemawe in ondo is Edo, Owo ruler is Edo, in Ekiti too, their rulers are Mostly Edo, Oni is not Yoruba, he is descendant of Oduduwa slave an Ijaw Edo.. and the lands too were Edo colonies..
so now who was under who? Who was conquered and ruled?

Yoruba should swallow their pride and accept history as it was rather than lie about it..

EdoNation:
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Moronn!! E pain am die .... Jobless idiot , is Edo your tribe ?....NO!!.... Better go find work Ozour

Of course e Dey pain am.
Nobody is ever happy with their colonial masters. Just the way Africans are unhappy with whites for oppressing and colonizing blacks so also Yorubas are unhappy with Edo for conquering and colonizing them.
So his pains is expected, Na normal thing.

Obalufon:
see how daft you are david naze or what the heck you called yourself what is the population of Fulani in ilorin? because they dressed with turban makes them fulani ilorin is just a city .they accepted emir by choice of islam ..they are yorubas they are not under siege by fulani or they were compelled by any one they embraced Islam .and accepted the rulership of emir .what you don't know is oyo was like Rome in those days you don't need to be yoruba to be oyo citizen lot of baribas hausa nupe fulanist were oyo citizen then if you've been to Niger state you will see people over there communicating in yoruba.

You mean Yoruba accepted a Fulani to rule them because of Islam? So u agree the ruler of Yorubas in Ilorin is a Fulani man..

Obalufon:
i cant blamed you you are retarded and delusional with deformity or morphological cranial deformity ..i laugh !!! senior citizen speaking edo. what is new about that .yoruba can adapt to any situation we find ourselves which is proven all over the world but we will never forget our root we were known traders and explorer in those day everything you people are benefiting today is from Yoruba if not for interaction with the yorubas you people will still be running around the bush killing yourselves without oranmiyan no benin kingdom..They speaking edo language doesn't make them edo Mr man they need it to trade due to proximity to edo ...even akoko edo will tell you they are from ile-ife their family oriki is recited in yoruba not edo....you people are extremely aggressive not yet evolved to be a normal human being that is why you were name ile ibinu animistic behavior..

They speak Edo because they were conquered and ruled by Edo. And many of them are Edo descendants.

Obalufon:
tell ilorin man his not yoruba

This pictures shows exactly what I’m talking about. The emir of Ilorin is full blooded Fulani man. Look at the people sitting around the emir, they are all Fulanis and dressed in Fulani attires.
In this modern era Yorubas are still in servitude to Fulanis.. what a shame!!

Obalufon:
go ekiti or ondo to say that trash you will be struck with deadly hot charmed ring immediate paralysis turn you to slowpoke and they will offer you to Ogun

Ekiti, ondo and environs are all Western Edo. Even Ekiti and ondo governments recognize Edo as part of the people’s culture. Till tomorrow seniors citizens in Idanre and other parts of western Edo still speak the Edo language.
And FYI Yoruba juju don’t work on Edo people. You guys tried it during the period we were conquering you it didn’t work.

Obalufon:
you are talking without c'mon sense .Do you think the emir has no yoruba lineage or blood running in his vein.... you think bunch of Fulani invaded yoruba land.. it was yoruba Muslim fighting yoruba.. their chief iman most senior scholar alimi then became the emir after the death of afonja and his lineage started the emir dynasty in ilorin ..the emir speak yoruba his yoruba man with fulani lineage

See this mugu that said Oba of Benin is Yoruba now desperately defending Emir of Ilorin as Yoruba and not a Fulani.
Emir of Ilorin is full blooded Fulani man that is ruling yorubas. His staffs are Fulanis, his bodyguards are Fulanis, he hangs out and parties with Fulanis. Yorubas are just his conquered subjects.

No2Atheism:
The Bini account sounds good to the extent that it starts to breakdown at the point of saying:

1. How did they know he was in Ife
2. Ogiso Owodo never migrated to yorubaland
3. There is no one known as Lamurudu in this equation.
4. Lamurudu is supposed to be the father of Oduduwa.
5. No one still has shown how and when the Bini version of Oduduwa got to Ife.
6. All I am seeing here is that Bini version just performed an historical time jump . . . from a Bini man one minute and Oduduwa the next minute.


Finally, is there an historical record of the interaction of the Bini version of Oduduwa has he was going from Bini to Ile-Ife . . . how the heck did he even know Ile-Ife to begin with in the first place. . .

If you open your mind you will realize that the only difference between this modern era and the past is technology. Now we have a better way of doing things. People and migration and communications never changed.

If you believe people can migrate from Sudan or Egypt then Ife is very close to Edo and word would have reached Edo people that a king of Ife speaks the Edo language and claimed to have come from Edo. I guess the Edo people would send emissaries to find out who this king is.

tpia:
You do know truth can be relative- especially in Nigeria.

In the absence of written records, the most anyone can do is follow the language, culture, oral traditions and artistic trails. Then try to make informed (not hasty/mistaken) conclusions from available data.

Negro has made some interesting points. There does seem to be an Egyptian link which may not be peculiar to the Yoruba alone. However, I'm really of the opinion that Sudan is the smoking gun here.

The article you posted seemed to have a general idea about origins, but some of the specifics were kind of hard to swallow. Especially the Yoruba ones. However, the Urhobo roots do make sense, as far as the little I know.


Oral tradition all over Yorubaland verifies the fact that Oduduwa's descendants are the reigning monarchs of most major Yoruba towns. Bini only conquered some part of Lagos. The Portuguese met a Bini garrison there when they first landed, I think. The original owners of Lagos, however, are not the Bini but the Aworis (Yoruba).

I believe the Binis had lost their grip on Lagos by the time the British arrived. Binis also conquered some parts of Ondo state, but they were pushed back after some prolonged wars, and those areas reinstated their allegiance to Ife (kind of like Spain, Portugal and the Moorish invaders, imo). So its more like a tug of war between the Ife and Benin monarchs.

There was a book covering all these things in detail but I cant remember the name.

1. Please Black Africans should stop claiming to come from Egypt.. you are reducing your self worth.
2. There is nothing like Bini, it’s a description used by Yorubas.. it is Edo.
3. Edo conquered and ruled Eastern Yorubas and the rule ended when the British defeated Benin kingdom.
4. Benin kingdom founded Lagos. The Aworis were only at the outskirts of Lagos.

BabaRamota1980:
Explain your foreign Oba, you no fit; Explain foreign names you are given, you no fit.
Explain ekaladheran's crime, you no fit;
Explani the buried heads of your kings in Ife, you no fit.

Everytime you are cornered you run to grab Hausa/Fulani for cover....

Leave fulani alone and stop using them for your escape. This is between Yoruba and Edo.

Explain how and why foreing monarchy and culture rule over you.

Which culture is foreign in Edo or foreign Monarchy in Edo?
Go do your research again.. Why is it claimed that Eastern Yoruba shows traces of Edo culture and not Yoruba culture?
Babaramota I have said it before that you are deluded.
Your Oni that you worship is a descendant of Oduduwa’s slave and not Oduduwa lineage. So you see why I say slavery and servitude is synonymous with Yoruba.

BabaRamota1980:
Lol.. . Go to Libya, from there cross mediteranean enter Italy and Spain. Tell us who is slaving there.

Wake me up when you return.

Haha babaramota you don wake??
I no get visa go there but here in naija I see Yorubas slaving under Fulani rulers.

Obalufon:
otaru..right what is the meaning enlighten me ..his among the emirs in Nigeria please..auchi is a strong Muslim community

Please don’t tell me you are daft like babaramota and moorish..
this argument is about tribe not religion.. there are Muslims in every tribe in Nigeria. The point is the ruler of Yorubas of Ilorin is a Fulani man. Yorubas are synonymous with servitude.

Obalufon:
any Muslim society must have an emir ilorin is islamic community still yet they are still yoruba people .. the reigning emir has yoruba name also but his from the lineage of alimi , ilorin is just a city in kwara state other cities in kwara state has oba. even in auchi there is an emir yet they are still edo

Please there is no Emir in Auchi..
just say it in your own words that the Emir in Ilorin is Fulani. Say it now!!

samuk:
So who enslaved the Yoruba and Igbo? Please don't tell me it was Benin.

Benin kingdom/Edo people didn’t really participate in slave trade. It was outlawed in all Edo territories. That’s why you don’t see any slave descendants or history of slavery in Edolands including Eastern Yoruba (also known as Western Edo)..

It was the Yorubas selling themselves.. Oyo selling almost western Yorubas into slavery.
I think it was the ijaws that was kidnaping and selling the igbos into slavery.

Obalufon:
Emir is symbol of islam. ilorin was a muslim region centuries before coming of alimi..if ilorin wasn't a muslim city why would they have fulani living among them some in the royal guard some Muslims slaves Hausa and Fulani won't lived with them ..hausa slaves were used in battles as well

So is the emir Yoruba or Hausa/Fulani.. or you Dey shame to admit the truth that Yorubas are Fulanis subjects?

Olu317:
Just imagine how uneducated you are? What concern me if he or she is from the heart of Usen? You rant as if you can look me up in the eyes in real life but you wouldn't dare it. Only coward rant like you and your Edo alikes online. Is Akoko Edo not Edo again? I thought you people claim, there are no one in Edo that bear full Yoruba names. I had thought you people from Edo who were exposed to civilization didnt learn anything from Yorubas? Set of confused people. You are so uncultured for insulting my personality but I know the reason and I mock you. I am doing this for my ancestors because of your dirty lies online and I will continue to quash your filthy lies. And others and I who write for Yoruba online with more fact have given more evidence than your so called fairy tale that is absolutely absurd,which is the reason you're hurt by the truth.... Go hit your head at a wall if you hate the truth. You are even lucky that your Oba gave gift to one of my ancestor to appease him when he went to your small village called Bini,which was created by by one of the strongest yoruba prince known as Odede or Oranmiyan. You are beneath me....Emi omo asè akoko yigbo yigbo..Emi Omo Kaare Oba mi...

Do you know that your Oni which u worship is actually descendant of Oduduwa’s slave who usurped the throne after Oduduwa died and not Oduduwa lineage?
Do you know that the area we now refer to as Eastern Yoruba is actually Western Edo?

Truth is bitter but you will be forced to swallow it.

Obalufon:
fulani never conquered oyo ..go to ilorin weather you will see fulani ..they were scholars being used then by oyo general ... people that fought the war were yoruba people that embraced islam nothing more ..after alimi was made chief imam after the death of afonja..ilorin..even the present emir bares yoruba name

So the emir in Ilorin is a Yoruba man?

BabaRamota1980:
Edo is a what

Puleeaze! Edo has never had an indigeneous king, and never will. There is nothing known as Edo kingdom. Who dash monkey?

Oranmiyan dynasty is ruling now and is known as Bini Kingdom.

Next dynasty after Oranmiyan will be Ginuwa. It will be known as Olu of Edo.

After that will be Oru. That one will be Pere of Edo.

Is there anything like Yoruba empire? The only empire from western Nigeria is the Oyo empire which died a painful death..

Moorish:
My brothers who mentioned the Igbo

The igbo are a holy people

The igbo and yoruba were taken in chains as slaves as predicted by the most high in deuteronomy

Have you ever heard of any black american or carribean person claiming benin descent??

Benin people are not from the most high God

We are hebrews and we need to stick to our brothers only

know your enemies my people

The fulani are also a hebrew tribe

They are our brethren

Our king defeated the italians (Mussolini) in the battle of adowa 2

The only african country not colonized

Ethiopia

King Haille Selassie Qadamawi Most high of israel

Benin are a gentile nation, people who sacrifice human beings

Come out of her my people

You are a disgrace..

Obalufon:
another orchestrated lie ogedengbe never fled edo territory ..he totally captured the northern edo . he left there with a good bargain ..he could march on bini city without much resistance .. where were you standing royal guards when he encroached your land camped there for months. you had to wait for him to go ..he had no business with you little benin kingdom he was busy fighting with Ibadan

Ogedengbe the coward fled Edo land. He ventured into Edoland and captured a few towns.. message from the palace was “look around you, if the soil you are standing is red then you are on Edo territory, leave now and you will not be harmed, if you refuse then you will die”.
That’s the only message from the palace and your ogedenbge fled like a coward.. why he no stay fight?

And for your info, Great Benin help the Eastern Yorubas fight and defeat Ibadan.

Y0ruba:
Source: Akintoye S. A., THE NORTH-EASTERN YORUBA DISTRICTS AND THE BENIN KINGDOM, Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 4, No. 4 (June 1969), pp. 539-553.

Now I believe you are just a foolish liar.. Why didn't you include how Ogedengbe fled from Edo lands with only just a warning from Benin Forces and at the sound of approaching Benin soldiers? It is all in your source you quoted.
When Benin heard Ogedengbe had penetrated into Edo land, an army was dispatched to destroy Ogedengbe, before the Benin Army attacked a message was sent to Ogedengbe to vacate Edo land and he will be spared and not killed.
Even Ogedengbe's drummers and soldiers advised him to leave or face destruction. That was how your Ogedengbe fled like a coward from Edo land. When has Benin ever fled from battle with just words or warning??

Here is what Ogedengbe's drummers sang to him that made him flee from Edo lands;

"When has Benin ever been defeated?

Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies."

All in Ogedengbe's camp heard the drums and were surprised. Anger filled Ogedengbe as he heard the drums say over and over:

"When has Benin ever been defeated?

Never has Benin been walked on by its enemies."

Doubt came to Ogedengbe. He thought: "It is true. Benin has never fallen in war." His fury for battle softened. His warriors with their weapons in their hands, they too were thinking: "Have Ogedengbe's drums ever spoken a falsehood? What they say now is so. Benin has never been beaten to the ground. Although it has many enemies Benin has only survived and grown greater."

Ogedengbe's eagerness to attack Benin diminished, until at last he ordered his fighting men to withdraw to the outskirts of the city. There he had his drummers executed for making their drums say at the very moment of attack, "When has Benin ever been defeated?" After that Ogedengbe and his army returned to Ilesha.