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Olu317:
Deception? And yet many Edos claim and choose to identify with Yorubas? I mock your ignorance. Anyway, I have educated you,since you have no knowledge of the past but filled with hatred. Anway, how many non Bini knows the meaning or have it as having the etymology of a contraption of E san fia (Esan) in their local language? Do you even know that as small as Edos is ,it has more than 30 or more languages and different communities with different identities in the past but developed into learning Bini language? You practically have no knowledge of what you have delved into......

I have seen all your points u raise in arguments, you base your arguments on myths and legends.. it goes to show that you are just a fanatic but not well informed..
I don’t hate yorubas or anybody for that matter. I’m only disgusted by your level of no pride.. you claiming what is not yours just because you want to have some relevance.

Olu317:
Oh! you come up again with this one ? You are an Edo man that do not know Bini is meaningless in Edo language but of yoruba origin. So you think Anthony Enahoro , didn't believed in Yoruba philosophy despite his Bini- Uromi ancestry ? Anyway, he remained a Yoruba property because from a place was named 'Esan' (originally, 'E san fia' owes its origin to Bini (meaning, 'they have fled' or 'they jumped away'), É sa fun â/fu hâ/ fun won/ as same with Yoruba words for description of people who run away from somewhere. This just showed that he was from Uromi and shared affinity with Yoruba . He singlehandedly went against creation of mid west being from Yoruba Land. If you don't know, google is your help mate.....A great man he was and will always be in the mindset of Yorubas.

All I can say is; Yoruba = self deception..

Olu317:
Yeah, Yoruba were the ones that frustrated the Brits. Yes, because, Williams who was nominated to the Legislative Council, serving as a member from October 1901, until his death in 1915. In 1903 there was a crisis over the payment of the tolls that were collected from traders by native rulers, although Europeans were exempted. The alternative was to replace the tolls by a subsidy. Governor William MacGregor requested views from Williams, Charles Joseph George and
Obadiah Johnson as indigenous opinion leaders. All were in favour of retaining the tolls to avoid upsetting the rulers. In 1903 governor MacGregor nominated Williams for a knighthood, but his recommendation was turned down. In 1904 Williams moved that "the present boundary between the Colony and Protectorate of Southern Nigeria and the Protectorate of Northern Nigeria be re-adjusted by bringing the southern portion into Southern Nigeria, so that the entire tribes of the Yoruba-speaking people should be under one and the same administration". Sir Frederick Lugard wickedly opposed this proposal on the grounds of administrative convenience, and the eventual decision largely followed his beliefs. Many enlightened set of Yorubas in England( who were in college) , and in Nigeria frustrated, argued, and disobeyed the Brits when Niger- Area, was formed as Nigeria . And for this reason, Yorubas, were divided into Northern and southern by Lord Lugard to frustrate Yorubas. Around 1953, Yoruba told the Parliament through their representative known as Anthony Enahoro and seconded by Obafemi Awolowo, for independence,which was done by the Action group but denied. And in 1958, which was successful was moved by Chief Remilekun Fani-Kayode and Nigeria got her independence, after which, the Brits had no choice but to heed such call.

Proudly Omo Yoruba.

So Anthony Enahoro was a Yoruba representative?

TonySpike:
I've only read this paper halfway and I must confess that the logic is very sound. Very wonderful expository of the ancient Yoruba kingdom and its link to ancient Isreal. As a diversion, didn't someone propose that ILE IFE is the code-word for NINEVEH some weeks ago on Nairaland? I'm beginning to see that different locations in Yorubaland indeed hold the key to unravelling more truths about the lost tribe(s) of Israel. Odumchi, I suggest this thread is pulled to the first page. Thanks

Lol... so you really believe you are Israelites? it’s a shame when blacks deny their identity to embrace a foreign one.
Yorubas are NOT Israelites, you are a tribe that was conquered and ruled by Nupes, Fulanis and great Benin kingdom..

Moorish:
Lol

Now I know you are a troll

Be gone

And you moorish is a liar..

Moorish:
Herbert Wendt “The Yorubas introduced the cultivation of yams, the
preparation of cheese and the breeding of horses into West Africa.”

“The Yoruba
Empire consisted of city states similar to those of ancient Greece.
Some of these states had 150,000 or 250,000 inhabitants. Art objects
of the highest quality were found in their ruins--glazed urns, tiles
with pictures of animals and gods on them, bronze implements, gigantic
granite figures. “

Benin is not our mate oh!

But you know this is a big lie na..
which ruins is in Yoruba lands? So Yoruba brought horses into West Africa abi?
Na wa.. you yorubas never ceases to amaze. You so ashamed of your history that you now twist and lie to cover it.
What’s the point of covering something everyone already knows?
Yoruba was weak and irrelevant in the past..
Benin Kingdom conquered and ruled Yoruba..
Eastern Yoruba lands is part of Benin Empire.
Always remember that..

Moorish:
I can only pity your ignorance

I prefer my enemies underestimate me actually

Believe whatever you want about the noble people of yoruba

How does it feel to come from a culture of s.luts ?

Once Italy restricts the human cargo coming from your domains..

Oba won’t even have money for beads

Lol.. I think all cultures have sluts so no big deal there..
nothing you say will change the fact that you were once a conquered tribe.. conquered by Great Benin Kingdom.. read your humiliating defeat by Benin armies below

Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight…The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworok..
The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job..
Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders

…the rapid expansion of Ado brought it into conflict with Benin, another power with imperialistic designs in Ekiti. Responding to the invitation by Ado’s neighbouring states who had become unduly alarmed by the consolidation and excesses of the Ewi’s power, Benin army invaded and subjugated Ado in addition to overrunning most of the other Ekiti states some of whose ruling dynasties, as in Ikere, were replaced…’’"’

Eastern Yorubalands will remain part of Benin Kingdom.. we own you. abi u be western Yoruba?

Moorish:
Yoruba was the official language of the Benin palace for years

Ewuare ended this tradition

We were and still are your benefactors

Thank the bravery of Oyo sons who defeated the marauding Fulanis at that final battle in Ibadan

Thesame Fulani force that conquered Hausa land

We know how to pick our battles

We are gentle and are not easily provoked

Do not take that for cowardice

Not that I care what you think

You and your folk are beneath me

You claim to defeat Fulanis in just one battle and you are happy. Look all over Yoruba lands it’s Fulanis ruling you. Your Obas are becoming emirs, u are here lying to yourself.
In the past Yoruba was a war trophy for powerful kingdoms. Nupe conquered you, Fulanis conquered you, great Benin conquered and ruled you..
everybody knows Yoruba can bark and everybody knows yorubas cannot bite.

All your stories about Benin Kingdom is all lies that’s why I don’t bother challenging your stories but I will continue to give u facts about a time when Yoruba was weak..

Do you feel ashamed when u go through historical accounts and it is filled with Yorubas conquered and ruled by different kingdoms?

Moorish:
@Obalufon

The British expedition on their little Benin lasted only 9 days 9–18 February 1897

Even the ijebus fought more valiantly than these Benin cowards

Once a slave always a slave

They were aiding the British to penetrate Nigeria

The British used canon fire to shell our forte in lagos and then 10,000 of those Benin cowards came into lagos and helped Britain

But the idiots did not realize Britain will come for them too

Serves them right

Benin monarch the only monarch in Nigeria who was banished from his own kingdom

Oh boy

Please stop giving ur name to another person. It’s Yorubas that is generally known as cowards. You guys are lucky for British intervention in Africa, if not for them you will be speaking Edo by now and singing Benin national anthem by now.
Benin conquered and ruled Yoruba people. You guys were once Benin subjects.

I don’t need to educate you on how many brave African monarchs British exiled. No be my fault you don’t know.

Moorish:
“The original people and founders of the Benin Kingdom, the Edo people, were initially ruled by the Ogiso (Kings of the Sky) who called their land Igodomigodo.”

Your ogiso’s apparently fell from the sky too. What’s your point ?


WIKIPEDIA “It was during this period of confusion the elders led by Oliha mounted a search for the banished Prince Ekaladerhan whom the Ife people will now called Oduduwa.”

The poor grammar above (see bolded) tells me a benin person wrote this

If a Benin person can write on Wikipedia that means a Yoruba person can also write on Wikipedia. So let’s forget Benin and Yoruba accounts and consider the accounts of foreign explorers. And the explorers say Benin was great and Yoruba was conquered territory.
So my friend you see, eastern Yoruba is Benin Kingdom’s trophy and will ever remain Benin’s trophy. We own eastern Yoruba..

Moorish:
Wikipedia lists your civilization as “Benin Kingdom”

They list mine as “Oyo Empire”

I researched your claims and according to Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Brittanica your claims are inaccurate

Both websites also state that your kingdom went through some sectarian issues and you asked a prince of ife to come and restore order to your place

Not a word on Ekaladerhan

I checked Wikipedia too. It says Yorubas claim Oduduwa fell from the sky, it also says Benin gives a more realistic account of Oduduwa as an exiled Benin prince who relocated to Ife and conquered them.
Your Wikipedia also said early explorers found Benin to be a highly advanced and highly developed empire ruling over many towns and kingdoms including Yorubas but it only says dead Oyo was claimed to be a Yoruba empire in the west. Even Wikipedia does not have any factual accounts of Oyo because nobody witnessed it.

Moorish:
I’m not going to respond to your make believe fables

David, why do most sources of contemporary history maintain that Benin had no vassal states or tributaries?

All historical accounts names Lagos, Owo, Ekiti, Akure.. these Yoruba states were Benin Kingdom’s vassal, tributaries or colonies anyone u want to call it.
All these Yoruba noise started after the British propped you guys up for being loyal subjects.
While other tribes struggled against Whiteman rule Yoruba are the only ones that easily and humbly surrendered.

Benin kingdom conquered and ruled Yorubas.. that is a stigma on you guys forever. You are a conquered tribe. Our trophy.

Moorish:
But calabar people flogged your oba na

Stop deluding yourself and accept you are worthless

Indeed Calabar flog Oba of Benin abi.. lol
Many Yoruba princes were slaves at Oba of Benin palace. A requirement by the Benin king to have conquered Yoruba kingdoms princes serve as slaves before they will be allowed to go back home to be king..
Yorubas are cowards that is a fact. Go ask Igbos or Hausas..

Moorish:
The Europeans told the oba that they have heard of a very fierce king in the hinterland whose face no one can see.

The oba of Benin confirmed it.

They were referring to the alaafin of Oyo

Please shut up... which Oyo? Oyo that was very dead and buried by the time the Europeans got to West Africa..
and are you not ashamed of yourself and Yorubas turning Benin story into Oyo story? It was the Oba of Benin that was described to the Europeans as a powerful king in the hinterland..
I feel sorry for you yorubas fighting for relevance in the past instead of fighting for a better future..
The whole world already know Benin conquered and ruled you people.. nothing can change that.

Obalufon:
we had better sword men than them.. they were only raping small villages ...oyo had 2 dreadful northern kingdoms in control baribas borgus and nupes.. as vassal state

If you like deceive yourselves from now till tomorrow it doesn’t change historical accounts and facts that Benin kingdom conquered and ruled Yorubas.
Benin is always described as conquering and spreading far into Yorubalands and beyond. That is an empire.
So continuing deceiving yourself and your Yoruba brothers. We ruled you... chased your people from their lands, resettled some of u in different places, forced yorubas to flee their cities and villages into the mountains and forests.
Yoruba was the easiest for us to conquer because they are all cowards..

Obalufon:
You need to be civilized to live in arid origin. you people were caged in the forest ..when you people were busy eating yourselves we were busy building empire we were expose to other empires all over Africa as far a Mauritanian ghana mali ..yoruba.. have lot of 14 centuries or earlier script written in ajami Arabic script yoruba scholars were teaching in sankore university mali .. some of these scholars afa started ilorin that fought oyo.. ilorin was safe haven for rebellion Muslims driven out of oyo due to their religion discrimination and other atrocities then .. Ife great prince Oranmiyan went up north to set up his empire at the bank of river niger ..

It’s a lie jor.. stop deceiving yourself..
anyways here is research from your fellow Yoruba brother..

“The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate.
No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.

Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".

Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.

Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.

Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.

By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.

Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin”

Obalufon:
European traded with the coastal tribes not with the north the more superior northern tribes ...The acquisition of firing arms and white explorers support led to first Dahomey revolt under oyo empire, their firing arms was very effective in scaring the horses but they were crushed my technical and more trained oyo foot soldiers they were crushed and defeated by the oyo sword men

So Oyo is a northern tribe.. no wonder you people behave like cows.

An editorial by a renowned Yoruba professor and historian.

Vanguard (Lagos)
EDITORIAL
July 7, 2004
Posted to the web July 7, 2004

The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate.
No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.

Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".

Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.

Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.

Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.

By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.

Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin, then the Oranmiyan tradition has been miscon-strued and the Benin version (The Oba of Benin's version,), not Egharervba's version, becomes more tenable.

According to this version the boy disinherited through the conspiracy of the barren wives of Oba Owodo (The last of the Ogiso dynasty) was called Ekaladerhan. The embassy sent by the leading personalities in Benin after the failure of Evian to establish his dynasty was to help locate this disinherited boy (Ekakaladerhan) to come and occupy the throne which rightly belonged to him.

Before he was located, however, he had settled at Ife (Uhe) on the eastern fringe of the Yoruba Kingdom and he was now called, Oduduwa which was corrupted from Imadoduwa (meaning I have not missed the destined road to greatness). On receipt of the emissaries from Benin, he sent his son, Oranmiyan as he was too old to return to Benin. Oranmiyan and his party took up residence at Uzama and from there they sought to rule Benin. But Oranmiyan, having been born and brought up outside Benin tradition, found it difficult to rule the kingdom and therefore met with so much opposition to his rule that he decided to withdraw from Benin. Fortunately before he withdrew, he has put a daughter of a Benin chief in a family way and the offspring was called Eweka who thus became the first king of the Eweka dynasty which rules in Benin till date.

From the above historical facts provided by seasoned indigenous and foreign histo-rians, corroborated by archa-eological evidence, it is incon-trovertible that Odudu-wa (Imadoduwa) is the same Benin prince (Ekaladerhan) who left Benin and finally settled on the eastern fringe of Yoruba Kingdom where his sudden appearance was a fulfilment of a divine prediction of Ifa that God (Olodumare) would send them a king to settle the existing rift over succession. It is not surprising therefore that the Yorubas generally believed that Oduduwa came from God and descended from the sky.

Many of the names mentioned in the post sounds like Edo names..

Obalufon:
How many edo fought in the civil war..Yoruba teenager were joining the federal army voluntarily As young as 16yrs ..just because we are accommodating and not hostile like you monkeys doesn't make us a coward..WE THINK BEFORE WE REACT our cognitive brain capacity is different from you people .we are civilize people ,we travel alot in the olden days to Sudan Mauritania Mali even as far a Yemen ..Hausa Fulani all sort people visited our nation to trade with us and live with among us practice an preach their religion without fear of being eaten by the locals or maul to death because of hatred

Chai... it’s a lie oooo

Olu317:
With these your ambiguous lies.What's the exact footprint that Edo lay? I have never seen such lies as these but then it is in some Edo's blood to lie online........At least ,logic must prevail here because every part in Edoland that Bini Army marched,Bini duke was put on the throne. Why didn't Bini put her Duke on each place you mentioned in Yoruba land?.... ;DWith these your ambiguous lies.What's the exact footprint that Edo lay? I have never seen such lies as these but then it is in some Edo's blood to lie online........At least ,logic must prevail here because every part in Edoland that Bini Army marched,Bini duke was put on the throne. Why didn't Bini put her Duke on each place you mentioned in Yoruba land?....

You Yourubas can continue to lie and spread false accounts.. it doesn't matter.. Everyone and including your scholars and historians know Benin ruled over Yoruba and greatly influenced your culture and lifestyles.. only your language survived, but in "character and culture, eastern yoruba is more Edo than Yoruba.." those are the words of your renowned yoruba scholars.

Moneywomen17:
if u will reply to people here do not let it be davidnaze the guy is so funny in the claim he makes, him and gregyboy said Benin conquered Yoruba land all the way to ijebu and some part of Ibadan. My goodness it’s ibadan and ijebu for god sake so u can’t help but laugh at this ridiculous claims

here is a copied post from the research work done by a Yoruba elder statesman, reputable and intelligent Yoruba scholar. He clearly states that Benin Kingdom is not Yoruba and was never Yoruba and he also describes Benin dominance and rule over Owo kingdom and Yoruba lands.

""Using a combination of oral traditions and written sources, this work reconstructs the history of a tropical African kingdom, the frontier Yoruba kingdom of Owo in southwestern Nigeria, from about the 12th century to the middle of the 20th century. One of a number of kingdoms springing up in this forest country in about the 11th and 12th centuries, Owo developed as a typical Yoruba kingdom, with a system of limited monarchy and careful balances of the interests of society. However, Owo was the closest Yoruba kingdom to another kingdom that was not Yoruba, that had a significantly different political system characterized by nearly complete monarchical absolutism.
Inevitably, Owo developed relationships with that kingdom, the strong, expansionist Benin kingdom of the Edo people - in trade, culture, etc. Owo seems to have grown slowly until it came under pressure of this much stronger neighbor. Benin’s ownership of coastal territory had positioned her to benefit from the coastal trade with Europeans beginning from the last years of the 15th century. Wealth from the trade and the acquisition of imported weapons of war (European guns), transformed Benin into a formidable adversary to her neighbors. Unable to match Benin’s military power, Owo strove for independent survival by entering into creative commercial and political arrangements with Benin. Over time, Owo-Benin relations attained a certain stability featuring much cultural interaction, friendly trade in each other’s domain, and traders from both kingdoms’ trading side by side far into the interior. Politically, Owo began to be impacted by the Benin system, thereby creating a long history of conflict and instability in the internal politics of the Owo kingdom. In spite of such, however, Owo continued to prosper economically. Owo also developed excellent diplomatic skills that preserved her independence and prevented frequent wars with Benin. Owo’s economic prosperity spurred cultural growth and revival, making Owo a great cultural center in Yorubaland. Although Owo’s political life never fully recovered from the disruptions imported by her contacts with Benin, Owo never ceased to be a prosperous independent kingdom. The same trends continued under the British and have continued in the context of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Ryder and Bradbury only mentioned Owo in passing in their works. Ryder says that Owo was part of the Benin Empire that extended to eastern Yorubaland in the 15th century and Bradbury says that Benin conquered Owo, one of the Yoruba states and that Owo was intermittently part of the Benin Empire before the 19th century.
For example, Bradbury has emphasized the Benin factor in the history of precolonial eastern Yorubaland. He explains this in terms of the expansionist program of Benin and its impact on the surrounding polities, including Owo. According to Bradbury: ‘It is impossible at the present time to determine the extent of the Benin empire at any particular period in the past; the frontiers were continually expanding and contracting as new conquests were made and as vassals on the borders rebelled and were conquered....
On the northeast, Akure, the Ekiti country, Owo and much of what is now Owo Division were, though intermittently, tributary to Benin; the re-conquest of this area was attempted, with some success during the early part of the 19th century. It appears from the Edo traditions that Edo influence in this area dates back to the late 16th century.’
the Benin armies extended their conquests beyond the Edo regions, subjugating many towns and villages of Ekiti, Ikare, Afenmai and the western Ibo, among them the important towns of Owo andAkure.’ 85 Akintoye complements Bradbury and Ryder by looking at the imperial activities of Benin in eastern Yorubaland: how Benin succeeded in establishing her rule or dominance in the area, how she treated the subject peoples and how she was overthrown by the coming of the British in 1897

Akintoye has dwelt more extensively on some aspects of the precolonial history of Owo, particularly her relationship with the Benin kingdom than any other scholar.
According to him, Benin had an overwhelming political, economic and cultural control over Owo until 1897. He says, without any qualifications, that
‘.. .Owo appears to have been very closely controlled from Benin.’ 89 Akintoye gives his reason for Benin’s total control of Owo by saying that this ‘... was probably due partly to Owo’s comparative nearness to Benin and her location along the main routes.’
He adds that in practical terms ‘...The Olowo (i.e. the traditional ruler of Owo) sent tributes to Benin annually through a resident official and the Owo people had to pay to the Oba of Benin obeisance customarily due to an oba. For instance, in most parts of the Yoruba country any hunter who killed a tiger or leopard had to give it up to his oba. In Owo, any hunter who killed either of these animals had to carry it to the Oba of Benin.’ Akintoye adds that ‘Owo was made to surrender its princes as hostages in the Benin court. Many Owo rulers therefore had Benin education and were responsible for introducing Benin culture to Owo. This is why Owo shows much stronger evidence of Benin cultural influence, especially in palace ritual and manners, than other towns in the area under study.’""

Obalufon:
who were the foot soldiers Yoruba teenagers as young as 16 year old liberated you cowards

Very funny. The only renowned cowards in Nigeria are yorubas. Don’t try to deny ur traits...

Obalufon:
ibo masquerading as edo here.. ...Yoruba are warring people we fought more wars than any tribe in Nigeria fighting runs in the blood we even fought ourselves to the extent of giving tribal marks for identification in Yoruba land .. our street boys have the highest battle scar in the street how many ibo or edo even dreaded Hausa boys dey get cutlass or dagger wound on a daily basis.. i pray war shouldn't broke out is going to be a total genocide...... during the civil war Yoruba has the highest enlistment into the army ..we freed edo from the shackles of Ojukwu army led by a Yoruba man victor banjo...Fulani dey kill your people in edo state you are doing nothing about it ,crying for help from the federal government , Even in the east too..Fulani dare not try it in Ibadan or core Yoruba state . Ekiti dealt with them

If Midwest was fully armed the biafran army would not be able to enter the region.
It was the Nigerian army led by the Fulani general buhari and ogbemudia that liberated the region.
Yoruba no get levels.

BabaRamota1980:
Which Bini army? Where was this army when Biafra conquered and ruled over Edo?

Biafra will conquer Yoruba easily. Una fit fight?

prolog2:
I wish the Oba would just give the order to bring the BENIN army back into the map, we would just go and conquer these Y.A.R.R.I.B.A once again !!!
It wouldn't even be that difficult.

Yorubas will run when they hear the Benin war drums.

BabaRamota1980:
When my opponent is easily disgusted by my posting, its a sign Im hitting home and have successfully cornered him into a distressed position from where he has to struggle to keep from drowning.

Stop throwing tantrums and cheap insults.

Answer my statements.

I say Yoruba is your father any day!

We can explain the foreign title, name and bloodline of your monarchy. You cannot!

Omo Oba is not Edo word
Ile Ibinu is not Edo word
Oranminyan is not Edo name

There is no Edo kingdom
There is no Oba or Omo Oba anywhere else in Edoland.


Yoruba is your father! We will bring a 3rd dynasty to rule you if your obstinacy does not stop.

We will separate Biniland and throw Edo people under Itsekiri or Ijaw.

Lol. Your foolishness has no equal.

BabaRamota1980:
We can also see how the Oba craftly diminished powers under the control of Edo chiefs. He did in Udo, he did in Uselu.

Edos worship a foreign monarchy that brought Obaship to them and also rebranded society from Iso or Edo to Ile Ibini. We have never heard of an Edo kingdom. What we know is Bini kingdom.

Moreover, your elders knew this would be a very difficult pill to swallow, so they made it acceptable....instead of water to swallow the pill, they gave you glass of koolaid. Till today the sweetness of that koolaid lingers on your tongue, you worry less about the pill.

It doesn't matter that Oranmiyan is a Yoruba, nor does it matter that his dynasty is Yoruba, or that he rebranded society and gave you a Yoruba identity, Ile Ibinu.....all the sweetness of the Ekaladheran story is enough to quell the bitterness of conquest by Yoruba.


We are your father any day! Your 3rd dynasty is loading....

Of all the Yorubas arguing aimlessly on this forum you are the dumbest of all. Marcof, moorish and moneywoman try pass you. Nobody bothered to comment on ur post about the 3rd dynasty not even ur Yoruba brothers becos that is foolishness.

Obalufon:
Language mutates .Akoko is ife lineage ..ifa is the master historian..

Do you really enjoy deceiving yourself?
Ewi who controlled larger parts of Akoko is an Edo descendant also many monarchs in that area trace their origin to Benin.

Nowenuse:
I don't think you should blame all the Edo speaking Ondo people who claim yoruba origin and identity. They obviously have more to gain by claiming yoruba identity than Edo identity

All Edo or Edoid groups in Eastern Yoruba are descendants of Edo people. They are descended from warriors, administrators, traders who settled those areas after driving out the Yorubas in those places. It’s all in history, go research yourselves and stop believing lies from these Yorubas on here.

Moneywomen17:
Alright am done with this thread no more comment from me but it has been fun my Benin friends. Oodua a gbe gbogbo omo yoruba ooo

"a section of Ekiti historians like Atolagbe who adduced to the pre-eminence of Oore as the most senior Yoruba and Ekiti Oba was linked to the fact that Oore signed the 1886 peace treaty which the British coordinated with Alaafin of Oyo and the Oowa Obokun amongst others. The Oba of Benin was also made to enter into treaty with the Alaafin of Oyo. Under this treaty, the Oba of Benin would have Ekiti, Ondo, Edo and other parts of his traditional areas of influence as part of Benin zone of influence, and it would be free of Oyo territorial incursions, while the Alaafin of Oyo would have the Western and Northern Yoruba territories"

Moneywomen17:
nope. U have not provided any source whatsoever to buttress it.

Moneywoman, here is more account of Great Benin exploits in Yorubalands. Copied from the scholarly work and research of a honest Yoruba guy.

"Eastern Yorubaland felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by
a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).
With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market. As we shall show in chapter four, Benin traders undermined direct commercial contacts between Ekiti and Ondo for a greater part of the century.

Immigrants into Ekiti also included traders, soldiers, administrators and their dependants from Benin. These colonists set up farm in the forest straddling the Akure-Idanre border and occupied what is now called the Ọgbọn Ado (Edo quarter) of Ado-Ekiti. Similarly slaves captured by the Benin from some Ado villages and some refugees were settled at Ikere where they established Ogotun, Afao, Are, Iluomoba and Agbado quarters, all named after their previous towns."

Truth is Benin owned and still has claims to Eastern Yoruba. It is Benin territory.