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johnydon22:
https://www.nairaland.com/2992899/fermi-paradox

Woo quite interesting really, will delve into it later.

urahara:
Forgive my ignorance . i dont understand the tale p.lease axplain it to me

What makes astronauts appear to age slower by some fractions of a second is relative velocity time dilation--time moves slower as you move faster.
Now time appears to move slower near massive objects because the object's gravitational force bends space-time. It's called gravitational time dilation--it just means time moves slower as gravity increases.

That's why time passes slower for objects closer to the center of the Earth where the gravity is stronger. So technically the more you're closer to earth's gravitational pull, the more time passes slower for you-- that's the reason for the pit analogy I gave.

johnydon22:
We have a thread about it on the science section maybe i should provide the link or copy to this board?

A link will be nice thanks

JackBizzle:
Spambot got me

Hehehe

urahara:
For now , the closest thing we have gotten to timE travel is time dilation e. G the iss which allows astronauts to experience time slowing down but only by a few milliseconds

Not the same. But I got some good news for you. You don't really have to travel at their velocity in space for you to age slower..Just dig a very big pit, take enough provisions and go and leave under. I promise you when you emerges you will see that you will be younger than your mate..
Though there's just a little side effect--your head will be older than your legs
You will get this tale if you know about gravity

johnydon22:
Jackbizzle is same as Logicbwoy. . . Logical son of a Bizzle

Hahaha

But Logicbwoy were you banned? Done something naughty??

Reyginus:
Lol. Let me explain. Time zones are nothing special but simply a creation of man. Humans thought of a way to harmonize the whether of a place, as a result of earth's rotation, with the time it will fall in another place. So, it's easy for dawn to set at 6 pm, in equinox, or some other time, in solstice, in every place.

Thanks which means that your brother that fell in the gutter may already be dead by the time you're able to reach his +1 environ from your -6 and not yet to fall in a gutter. Time continues irrespective of the time zone. So you can't use it analogously to time travel.

johnydon22:
Already did but cannot engage in childish emotional squabbles that will reduce the quality of this thread


In a while...

Yeah bring it on

johnydon22:
Someone at -6 can know because it's still happening at a given time only their location on the globe as mapped by the earth's rotation around the sun differs.

so time zone is directly proportional to our rotation around our axis not a difference in TIME as a dimension

Yeah Just wanna point something out for Rey about him using it as an analogy for time travel.

johnydon22:
Exactly. . . What do you think about my above questions ^^^^ I see some about to go personal with some discussions here and it's going to get real childish soon.

Johnny calm down. I thought you said you can entertain them Meanwhile I seriously respect that man
As for your question haven't heard that. Can you enlighten us

Reyginus:
Am I safe?

Yeah somehow safe

Reyginus:
Rotation.

Alright if something is happening in +6 GMT can someone in -6 know that it's happening or must he first reach +6 before he knows?

Reyginus:
I love good stories but I don't buy all stories. Yeah. I don't fully understand the matrix. It's just like Nibiru to me now. It's complex I'm only speaking from the little I understand. But them why are we having this argument if you agree time travel is not feasible? Let's jump to KingEbukasBlog. Lolololol.

Hehehe

Reyginus:
When I cross a time zone is anything reversed? No. If my brother falls into a gutter in GMT+1 time zone whole I reside in a GMT-6 zone can I speed home on a concord aircraft and prevent him from falling into a gutter?

I laughed very hard with this analogy Just like I'll be celebrating my Christmas now while another person will be doing so tomorrow and I can even do it twice
Now why do you think there're differences in the time zone?

Reyginus:
Believe? No, don't use the word. You know, when we use believe we may be tempted to drag faith and then religion to it. Have you read the book Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. His meeting with the Invisible Councillors. That's what an OBE is like.

I don't really know what would happen if such a person is killed but can such a person be killed? It's like being conscious in a coma. Like striking a body without what the French Philosopher Henri Bergson's called the Elan Vitae. I don't anything will happen to its functionality until it returns.

Use this analogy. A television or a desktop connected to a power source. You can not really say the TV or Desktop is dead, that is, no longer works, if a person comes around and hits its screen when it's not connected to a power source. You can only know what the true situation of things is after you connect it again to the Power Source.

Time travel is like a miracle if true. By miracle I don't mean, something that transcends our idea of reality but something that transcends reality. It makes zero sense to me. Help me with this. How do you even go back in time? What happens in the Solar System?

Rey are you simply equating OBE to dreams??
If so then you can't use it to decribe the Matrix and hence you don't really understand what the matrix is all about like you said. I can't answer how to go back in time or the future cause is not yet feasible. There are many assumptions like the black hole, warm whole and even quantum entanglement to achieve it.
Sci-fi is just using these ideas to show us how it will be like. If you read and watch sci-fi so well, you will understand how it makes sense (maybe a little) with what we currently know.

KingEbukasBlog:
It means He can do anything logical , reasonable , within His plans for life or the existence of anything . Example of what God cannot do is to sin .

Understand the Christian's explanation of his belief in God , misconceptions are not allowed here

Oh okay you're now putting a full stop to his power.. His powers are now finite and constrained to only logical things like killing people through the help of others and can't do illogical things like raining food from the atmosphere

You should have come clean a long time ago by simply blaspheming that he's not omnipotent

Reyginus:
The Matrix is like an Out-Of-Body-Experience something some of my friends can do.

In X-Men, the dead, by a simple backward movement of a being, are brought to life. It assumes something that is not true and illogical. That is, that every generation live in different universes and their existence is happening at the same time. You don't see it like that?

You believe in OBE but you don't believe that some can travel to the past or the future?
How is it illogical? As you believe the mind can be plucked out of the body..can you tell me what happens when such person is killed in that reality? Can that person be brought back to life again??

wirinet:
I have not seen ant man, i do not even have time to watch movies. We will never be able to manipulate things on the quantum. We are only barely able to manipulate things crudely on the atomic level, which is our own level if scale. Till now, we cannot turn lead to gold by atomic manipulation. The quantum level is so weird that it is like Alice in wonderland. Even Einstein was humbly disgraced when he tried to venture into the quantum level, hence he could not believe "God plays dice with the universe". To me the most crazy aspect of the quantum level is that you cannot determine the position and velocity precisely, measuring one quantity automatically de-measures the other quantity. Now, how can you manipulate anything in such a world ?

You have to know all these things are just assumptions. Nobody claims it's feasible now. If science sticks to what it knows currently, then I doubt that we'll be able to discover a new thing in the future.

Reyginus:
I do. I love SciFi movies. Tell me how X-men makes sense. I mean travelling back to see the men who are now old in their young age.

You really love sci-fi nice . But like LB asked why are you putting one above the other? Can you tell me how matrix made sense to you while X-men is nonsense? Now what don't you really understand in travelling back in time?

Logicbwoy:
I thought he survived because someone called out to him?

No not because someone called him out. He returned to the macroscopic world when he managed to reverse the effects that made him go subatomic. If you can remember there're 2 sort of disks he carries--I think red and blue in colour, one able to shrink things and the other capable of magnifying. He inserted the later in his regulator and was able to return.

Reyginus:
No. Their presentation in movies like Source Code, X-Men Days of Future Past, Time Machine are irrational. I consider something like The Matrix more intelligent and serious.

Watch movies Rey and open your mind to the sci-fi..flow with it and it will start making sense..though don't loose your self

Logicbwoy:
I want to jog your minds a little.

Have you watched ant man? The superhero with the ability to shrink himself or matter?

In the movie, he shrunk himself down to the quantum world and nearly died. His scientist mentor noted that the quantum level is an abyss in which no one understands the rules.


What do you think would happen if we could manipulate things at the quantum level.

And he even went subatomic and was able to survive unlike the scientist's wife because he was able to manipulate it. I'll leave what will happen for now because we're yet to understand the quantum world..except if you want me to go sci-fi on you

johnydon22:
Both are ruled by different laws in each level, Laws of the quantum world (even though we know nothing of it yet) breaks down in the macro-scale and that of the macro-world breaks down in the quantum world.

But the Quantum level is the fundamental ground level upon which the macro- is built.

Seriously very very complicated..

I spot a religious fanatic above^^^ Abeg johnydon22 come and take suya but take am easy na b4 you fry someone's brain..see as you made someone utter nonsense just because he couldn't comprehend what you wrote.

What I said is happening everwhere ..Ehem let me enter ghost mode first before am strangled the 2nd time . I hate 2nd deaths..like that of Lazarus (erm did he die again )

KingEbukasBlog:
Specious argument bro .

In the same vein as omnipotence paradox . God is infinite and Supreme . He precludes infinite regression . There is none greater - it is impossible for one to be greater . All Powerful .

So it is illogical to ask God create someone greater than him . It does not make any sense .`

You really confused me here bro If you can do all things then you can do all things. Are you saying that God can't do all things again

Lilbrown007:
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE

You know this concept of space-time is very complicated. Let me just answer you in simple terms cause I don't know if you're very familiar with physics.
Gravity and Velocity affects time differently.

Let me remove travel (velocity) from the equation and concentrate on gravity.
Gravity warps space and therefore warps time.
The stronger the gravity, the slower the time appear to pass and vice-versa. Time moves faster for someone on a mountain top because of weaker gravitational force than for someone in a basement underground (which has higher gravitational force). If am an independent observer, I'll notice that the person on a mountain ages faster than the one in basement.
It also appears that someone in space will age faster because time moves faster for them in space because of weaker to no gravity (0)

Lilbrown007:
WAIT I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT AGAIN TRAVELING FASTER THAN LIGHT WILL BE ACTUALLY DOING THINS B4 THE CLOCK START TICKING OR SOMETHING CLOSER TO THAT IF DONE FOR LONG AT CONSTANT SPEED (STILL THINKING FLASH PARDON ME CAUSE I CANT REALLY IMAGINE IT WITH A TIME MACHINE ) WON'T IT START TO HAVE A NEGATIVE VALUE LIKE THE NUMBER SYSTEM WE HAVE -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 WHICH WILL RESULT TO GOING BACKWARD INSTEAD OF FORWARD??

Leave the fiction for now. Do you know that the time scale on earth is not the same in space?

Lilbrown007:
THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY TRAVELLING FORWARD IN TIME THAN THE NORMAL 24 HOURS JUST IMAGINE IF IN A DAY WE HAVE 2MINUTES TO SPEND THEN THE NEXT DAY ARRIVES ANOTHER 2 MINUTES WONT HUMANS AGE FASTER??

Oh yeah in all sense, we gonna age faster.
That's why I said science have to circumvent the issue by creating something (you know all these things are assumptions) capable of slowing or stopping the alteration of the human physiology by time. Just like they did with maintaining gravity in vessels in space.

**stop killing my hope of time travelling**

johnydon22:
Yea i get you but this might not necessarily lead to a time travel in the rational sense, maybe an instantaneous teleportation or information sharing.

Beside i doubt if Quantum entanglement is feasible in a macro-scale...

Yeah we don't really know if it's feasible in a macro-scale, but if it's possible at all..and the particles can pair over different time scales then boom...Maybe a particle in this time pairing with one of about 3000 light yrs away or ago , it means Logicbwoy's dog can hop in to this particle and transfer to that of the future or past and hide because of maltreatment..just assumptions though..it will be like a kind of warmhole.

Lilbrown007:
BUT THEY IS ANOTHER PROBLEM ABOUT TIME TRAVEL PEOPLE HAVEN'T REALLY CONSIDERED ON A NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCE HUMANS ARE GOING FORWARD IN TIME THERE BY AGING WITH TIME TOO (THE NORMAL 24 HOURS AT A NORMAL SPEED) IF U THEN TRAVEL FASTER THAN TIME WONT U GET OLD ON THE PROCESS AND DIE ON THE SERIES FLASH I BELIEVE CAUSE HE WAS ABLE TO HEAL HIM SELF HE WAS ABLE TO SOMEHOW WITHSTAND THAT BUT ON JUSTICE LEAGUE A FLASH FROM ANOTHER PARALLEL UNIVERSE TRIED IT AND HE GOT OLD CAUSE HE STAYED IN THE PROCESS FOR SO LONG SO GUYS WHAT DO U THINK IS THERE A LOOP??

Hehe now that's another notion. For something to get to another place it must first travel which of course causes wear and tear..now imagine traveling at or faster than the speed of light. If time travel can be achieved then it won't by running like the flash (it's humanly impossible)..It can be through a time machine which of course can't alter the human physiology just like the coverings that can prevent radiation from reaching the skin

johnydon22:
That is quantum entanglement. . . A quantum phenomena where two particles very far are entangled that information are passed instantaneously, almost like it's a dual existence of the same particle.

It's still weird to us.

In the quantum world the classical laws of physics manifesting in this macro-world breaks down completely.

even cause and effect breaks down in the quantum world, particles come into existence without needing to be caused, there are subatomic particles that can be induced to accelerate all by themselves almost to the speed of light without the application of an external force breaking the first law of motion of the macro-universe.

further revealing a weird random nature manifesting every way and either way.

I like your thoughts on Quantum entanglement used for time travel, though you may want to elaborate how.

It is a curious thought brother

It's just assumptions though might not necessarily lead to time travel.
I don't really know how to explain this but take it like this:
Now you know that the paired particles can communicate with each other along the Timeline..which means that information can be passed between them even at a speed faster than the speed of light. Since particles can entangle forming something like a quantum bridge, it is also theoretically possible for a particle on Earth, and another say 3,000 light years away to be entangled and hence form a bridge to share information.

So teleporting/ transferring of identity from one particle in the present time, alongside entangled particles (through the quantum bridge), will now get to the other particle pair anywhere else on the Timescale, where the other entangled particle resides at that moment.
Hope you get where am driving at. It's kind of similar to 'Quantum Leap' tv series. Only if we can at 1st solve the mystery behind quantum entanglement

Logicbwoy:
lol...nothing of that sort. The word "secular" in the title to them is like a cross to a vampire. Only the strong-willed among them can navigate these waters of secular thought.

Hehehe abi? Reminds me of a movie titled priests.