₦airaland Forum

Deep Sight:
^^^ To the extent that he speaks of a dominant culture, he has a point, and you have misunderstood him. He specifically stated that that culture must be a pot pouri of the various ethnic cultures.

It is beyond cavil that every coherent nation-state must have a dominant culture. By this I believe he refers to a supervening national world view which stamps the nation state with a given identity.

As a simple example: The United States comprises people from every part of the world, immigrants, decendants of conquistadors and slaves, few indigenous tribes, etc. However the United States remains a coherent nation-state because there is a supervening common world-view and culture that stamps the US with its unique identity as a nation-state. That world-view is based on the ideals of freedom and capitalism.

Thus that forms the plank for the dominant culture. If there were no dominant culture, the nation-state would lack cohesion, would lack direcvtion and would also lack an identity. It would have a personality crisis and would be schizophrenic. Such is the dilemma Nigeria has, and the gentleman had a strong point in so saying.

Sometimes I wonder aloud when few people write about the history and cultural composition of USA and often confuse issues with later day gist of academia. USA is primarily built on the bedrock of English culture and secondarily on European culture.

For example, in 1822 when Swedish Prime Ministers visited Boston area of USA, it surprised the wit out of him to find his Swedish compatriots could no longer speak a word in Swedish.   

However, I detect instances of confusion in 9jaganja’s post especially on references about Biafra. Granted what happens outside the boundary of a nation would sometimes influence the policies but culture will definitely shape the nationalistic integrity of any given nation state. 

Every human culture has element of freedom and some shades of economic system. Even “Trade by Bata” was a sort of capitalism because individuals must have something to exchange goods for services.

In fact, I agree with every bit of sense conveyed in the last paragraph of the above post

@OP

When most of your parents were roaming around your village squares unclothed, Zik, in 1954, appointed a Yoruba the Chief Press Secretary to eastern region. Did the gesture change age long tribal hatred from the other aisle? Did it stop the zeal on the Yoruba to join northern region to precipitate war on eastern region?

Ibime: Some braggatt aka "google Nigerian" says he feels sorry for Shell being caught up in FG and Niger Delta wahala. I laugh in Ekiti.

Its been proven time and time again that Shell are a guilty and complicit party in the whole sordid affair. I speak as a beneficiary of Shell. It was Shell that gave my pops scholarship to UK but if you ask him about Shell, he would say thunder fire them for everything they've done in his homeland. He even turned down job with them after completing their scholarship for the same reasons.
Let's revisist the facts.

Shell have been in Nigeria since the 50s.

(1.) They were there when OBJ issued the Petroleum and Land Acts and supported it.

(2.) They instituted gas flaring practices they would not dare in their own land

(3.) Even after Supreme Court order set a date to stop gas flaring, they breached the date and continue to disregard that edict and put pressure on FG to forget that law.

(4.) As wikileaks has shown, they have people in every Government Department and Ministry and continue to dictate Govt policy on Petroleum

(5.) As wikileaks has shown, they have fought tooth and nail against PIB which is only a "minor" redress for the crimes of the Petroleum and Land Acts

(6.) They hired helicopter gunships for the wanton slaughter of hundreds of Ogoni people

(7.) They pled culpability in the murder of the Ogoni 9 and paid compensation for it

(8.) Their operatives murdered the Ogoni woman on her farmland that brought the Ogoni crisis to a crescendo

(9.) Numerous other violation of human rights in many communities which I no get time for.


And some pleb want paint them as innocent party. They are partners in crime with the FG. Not only did they receive stolen goods, they were cheering from the sidelines when the goods were stolen.

Bros, this is show of shame. It sounds like eating your cake and asking to keep it. I smelt greed because the same people who benefitted from Shell BP through scholarship for the usage of the land that actually belonged to the less privilege folks in their communities are the same people instigating riots.

Someone mentioned Ken Sara Wiwa. I remembered when almost every Ogoni man became a transporter .

erico2k2: Good afternoon cos I just got in from work andits boiling here, I was hoping to get some silly comments from you like some others on here who have no logical way of thinking but thank God none lol so we can agree to disagree.
Wel Most people seem to think Niger Delta is Delta state, and Im afraid you are one of them lol Niger Delta is Edo+Delta+Bayelsa+Rivers states so its four states that makes up the Niger Delta according to the Niger Delta Comission and revenue derivation Act that them lot faught for,anyway I think you should pay attention to what Deboski is saying, he got it spot on,Im an Urhobo from Delta South,in My comunity we have 48 wells,so I aint no outsider when it comes to Oil problems.
While I was still back there, we gave so much trouble to NNPC and SPDC in as much that we came to a table talk, agreements where that %50 of rostabouts or general Labour would be employed form the local comunity,skilled workers %40,unless they the comunity could not fill those gaps then they could be sort from elsewhere the list goes on and that was embeded in the documents that acompanied the rights of them tehn to carry out their Oil exploration,now if Shell no go behind teh comunity's back and sell of the right to drill and facilitate Oil production in the area without inviting the comunity,dont you think they would wave all this clause in the eyes of the new buyers to make the sale more atractive to the new i nvestors? and all those previous conditions dropped?Now hope you know why the guys are angry,they aint into all that compensation these days,people are more wised up unlike in the 90s.Hope you understand where Im comming from.

It would have been nice if you get the facts correct. Since you do not know the states that made-up Niger Delta according to NDDC, it should be foolhardy to follow your plank of the argument.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=728145.msg8858378#msg8858378 date=1312523525]I'll rather give my 2 millions to babangida.

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/images/Innoson-Hummer.gif[/quote]Of course, Ikebe, you had rather set your arse on fire too. I did not expect anything better from a jerk of low intellectual pedigree such as you.

9jaganja:
Haahahahhah so one tribe has more authority over the other because one is unwilling to be in the union? Biafra war was a result of protection of the Nigerian territory being invaded by Biafra. So let's not keep using Biafra as an example of result of secession ok? secession doesn't lead to war; war leads to secession,

And it is the conflict of interests that is likely to lead to an ethnic war, Millions of Northerners were happy when Sharia was declared but this lead to blood shed later on. The huge majority of the North supports Sharia as sole source of civic law while less than 0.03% (lol) of southerners want Sharia even southern Muslims,

Now, Sharia will make the North inhabitable for majority of Southerners and if that is the case, what is the essence of a union when I can't be welcomed in your land?

What do you mean by "irresponsible African law" we are currently practicing the white man's legal system and how good is that representing everyone? Look, majority of the British/American legal system is buit on Xtianity not until the 20th century before those laws were being modified,

Now how is such law suitable for Africans who have tons and tons of religion? England is just one language, one people and they weren't all forced to be english, they were all english. So your uk/American analogy for a case like Nigeria's is a false and inadequate analogy,

China as much as they still control their minority ethnic groups, there are still uprising between the Muslims in South east China, England is one culture traditionally so you can't compare that with Nigeria,

Any ethnic group that wants a nation of it's own has the right to do so without violence and we don't need UN to get involved in it if the "American/UK" laws are civil enough to encourage the freedom of association of people,

It doesn't matter how many ethnic group there are in Nigeria, each one deserves authority over themselves and not others over them no matter how small,

To lead Nigeria to being organized, you have to promote a culture which includes all the ethnic nationalities of the nation. Can you wait 50years please? As Nigeria is, no tribe is willing to shed their identity to become "Nigerian" which is right if you ask me, I am Yoruba and deserve to be without an imposed identity,

now given this freedom, am I suppose to sit back and watch as a majority run over my tribe? NO!!! Every tribe has the right to keep their identity, "multiculturalism" is a fallacy my friend don't fall for liberal propaganda, Multiculturalism means everyone speaks there language, everyone practices their culture etc, Now how will a nation move forward without one super dominant culture? tell me please!! And don't use US/Canada/UK as an example because they are not multicultural just that they have people of different cultures who all dress same way to work, have to speak English before they can get a Job etc,

So please!!!!!!!! For a nation to work, it needs a dominant culture, and people willing to abandon their culture for the dominant one, Is that right to you? This is why Nigeria is suppose to be a confederation or every tribe goes there own WAYS!!!!!!!

I thought you were spurred by logical deduction in your rants until this paragraph. The manner you exhibited in your posts is the source of bizarre and audacious behavior of leaders from the old western and northern regions of Nigeria to cede Nigerian territory to Cameroon without moral justification.

It is either you were loaded with alcohol or saturated with boldface falsehood about Biafra’s session. The Biafrans simply did not find the unholy union of Nigeria humanly progressive by any intuition and decided to leave.

It is not lost on most Biafrans that people with this same mindset such as you decided to precipitate war of attrition on Biafra. On July 6, 1967, Nigeria launched ground military attack on Biafra and followed up with naval blockage. While Biafra was struggling to ward off the uncalled ground attack in the vicinity of Nsukka, Nigeria launched a seaborne assault on Biafra on July 26, 1967 and captured Ubani (Bonny) in the process.

I must say your posts indicated a person who is foolishly disingenuous and would want to eat his or her cake and have it.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=727602.msg8853025#msg8853025 date=1312458928]The Chairman of Nsukka Local Government Area, Tony Okechi Ugwu and 12 of his councilors narrowly escaped death when armed robbers suspected to be Fulani-herdsmen attacked them along the Enugu-Makurdi Expressway on Monday.


The incident occurred at Umoka community along the expressway at about 2.30pm while the victims were on their way to Enugu.

One of the councilors, Jonas told Daily Sun that they ran into the ambush of the cattlemen forced their driver to an abrupt stop with volley of gunshots that narrowly missed them.

“We were ordered to lie down with our faces down and eyes closed by the hoodlums. While some of them ransacked the vehicle, others dispossessed us of our personal effects, including our handsets and cash, while some of them were busy shooting into the air.

“We were dealt with and traumatized, it was an ugly experience one would not want to pass through again. But we are grateful to God who saved our lives.”

The councilor disclosed that luck came their way when the chairman, who was coming behind, saw what was happening made a detour and alerted the police who came to their rescue.

He said after a serious exchange of gunshots between the hoodlums and the police, the former was over-powered and they escaped through the jungle.

The chairman could not be reached at the time of filing this report but a source told Daily Sun that the chairman was highly traumatized by the experience.


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/aug/03/national-03-08-2011-031.html[/quote]Everyday's well-being of Ikebe (Ileke_idi) should be a concern for her peeps if her sense of judgment and stream of thoughts expressed on this article usually guide her on steamy session with guys behind closed doors.

If the so-called Fulani herdsmen were over powered by police, how did they escape into the jungle? What happened to the herd of cattle the armed robbery Fulani men were driving to the market? Did the police confiscate the herd of cattle? Tribal bigotry sucks big time.

All along, some of us who sided with minority voices in Imo State knew the team of Rochas Okorocha and Jude Ikechi Agbaso was another leap in darkness taken by the people of Imo State. In fact, the magical activities of the executive branch of Imo State government since the beginning its tenure had left few of us with ominous feelings.

makizee:
, Apart from Lagos being the eyes by which the world sees Nigeria, i would say the people and government of Lagos does not discriminate against any tribe in Nigeria even Non Nigerians which is why everybody continues to come here, All the tribes are represented in the Lagos Civil service, same cannot be said about other states which is why they remain backward while Lagos marches into a brighter rewarding future, NOTE, No society truly develops by its own people alone.

I am not sure the originator of this thread lived in Lagos. If he or she does live in Lagos, then certainly he or she must be Yoruba or clone of Yoruba (non-Yoruba who has a low ancestral mentality).

It was in Lagos, as a Nigerian, I first heard the phrase “go back to your country” from Yoruba adult to a non-Yoruba on disagreement over anything from “bucket of tape water to Danfo seat”.

umechuma:
Northern Nigeria has always been the most violent part of Nigeria since independence and to me they 50 years behind development compared to Southern Nigeria and with the present Boko Haram violence it will drift futher to 80 years behind and may be the next Somalia.

I, too, wondered aloud which northern region was deemed peaceful before and after Nigeria’s independence by the VP through the Minister. Nigeria is a cesspit baring an inch of real estate.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=482611.msg8784803#msg8784803 date=1311597020]Dede1, the wool you are attempting to put over our eyes by pretending to criticise the author of the said article has fallen off. You and I know that the author is a closet seccessionists and biafran through and through.

In all honesty would you admit that the counter coup would not have been necessary if the following had not occurred as a result of the first coup?

Coup plotters  murdered Northerners'  two most senior politicians (Prime Minister Tafewa Balewa, and northern regional premier, Ahmadu Bello), and four most senior soldiers (Brigadier Zakariya Maimalari, Colonel Kur Mohammed, Lt-Cols Abogo Largema and James Pam) at the hands of Igbo officers in January.Despite the murders of the humble Balewa, and the avuncular Bello, northern soldiers were more angry at the death of their respected senior officers whom they had looked up to. Their anger increased when southerners jubilated when news of the coup spread.[/quote]I hate innuendos and unfounded fallacies when disingenuously put forward to fool undiscerning onlooker. I guess the January 15, 1966 coup was instigated entirely by Igbo officers in Nigerian armed forces. Also, I guess the “northern region” has taken the place of ethnicity in your book. The Prime Minister Tafawa was for northern region not Nigeria and the Nigerian army officers from northern region only represented the interest of northern region not Nigeria. This is utter crooked logic that serves bigoted interest.

@OP

The premise of the original essay left much to be desired in terms of objective and fairness. Throughout the well written essay, the author disingenuously and carefully maintained a line of deceit by stating “Igbo officer’s dominated coup” and “northern officer’s counter-coup”. The coups were precipitated by Nigerian soldiers with different intentions.

Nigerians are funny and reckless with information especially when it sustains their skewed views. Cowardice is inherent and inert involuntary actions. I have seen a person who fought in Burma and commanded a division during the war of attrition still exhibit acts of cowardice.

The behavior exhibited by Brig. Babafemi Ogundipe during the early hours of July 29, 1966 coup is cowardice. He did not only abandon his position as 2ic to C-in-C, he fled to NSS Nigeria, frigate commanded by Commander Nelson Soroh, and refused to step out of frigate until he sailed to London aboard another ship.

I can not recall Nigerian army contingent in Congo at the strength of brigade level. Ironsi was only Nigerian and African to command UN forces in Congo more than brigade strength.  Ogundipe replaced Ironsi as commander of Nigerian contingent in Congo shortly after Ironsi was penciled as the overall commander of UN forces in Congo.