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TechBaron:
Head to head, Iran is no match for the US.

Even the Iranians know this!

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Was either Afghanistan or Vietnam a match for them?

Eriokanmi:
Happy birthday sir, one of the african finest.
But baba, you know say you don dey reach 95 so? But we don pardon you as you no lie. You once said you didn't know the month and year you were born and your parents were unfettered so, you adopted a particular age and you chose a day in the month of March to celebrate your birthday. You also said as a military recruit, you were permitted to use any age for enlistment.

All the above made millions of Nigerians, including myself to like you and be always proud of you. You may have your flaws as a human being but you remained the best Nigeria had ever had as a leader, unlike someone who's nearing 85 but cut 10 years away from his age, just to fulfill a lifetime ambition. He lied on so many grounds for fun, including his primary and secondary education without a single trace, when investigated by the alumni of the schools in ibadan.

You're a leader of exemplary character. Enjoy your day, ebora owu

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He also went to school and has known classmates (unlike someone) so he can truly guess his probable age.

NairalandBishop:
When he was only miles from Moscow, he ordered his troops to go help those engage Britain as progress was slow there. His generals advised him against this. This halted the operation giving the Soviets time to prepare and counter. Then came winter, the Germans were not prepared for it, engines failed, weapons failed, advancement was slow. The Soviets were better equipped in their territory, pushing Germany back

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There was the mother of all resistance close to Moscow. Invading Russia is a cursed mission anyway, the sheer size and climate always gives them so many retreat options. Ask not just Hitler, ask Napoleon.

NairalandBishop:
Because they pushed back the Germans from their land all the way to Berlin. I agree with you, they lost millions of troops defending their country. But war is not in numbers alone. Hitler would have succeeded in the invasion if not for the mistake he made.

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What do you consider the mistake he made?

Lee2money:
You know better than the guy u quoted jorh.

It was Russia who pushed the war really backward through the help of their severe cold/snowy/icy weather. USA wouldn’t have done anything if not Japan who wanted to flex their muscle against the US war ship when they too were conquering some other part of the world. US only came to claim the Glory of the war that Russia already won

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Gbam.

triplechoice:
First, your title "Simulation Theory" is a misnomer. The correct term is "Simulation Argument" or Simulation Hypothesis, as found in the very sources you took it from. In the sciences, a "theory" is a well-tested explanation for phenomena supported by evidence. A "hypothesis" is an educated guess awaiting proof. Yours is the latter. It lacks empirical evidence. Changing hypothesis to theory inflates its status and mislead your audience.

Second, Nick Bostrom himself never concluded we are living in a simulation. He presented a trilemma, three possibilities, at least one of which must be true, but he does not know which one. He has stated that, in our current state of ignorance, we should apportion belief roughy evenly between them. But you repurposed his thought experiment into a conclusion he never endorsed.

Third, "logically sound and rationally consistent" is not evidence or proof of anything. It is merely the minimum requirement for any argument. History is replete with ideas that were perfectly logical and coherent at the time, but later turned out to be nonsense. Logic without evidence is just story telling

Fourth, you point to philosophers debating the idea as proof it deserves serious consideration, not mockery. But philosophers debate all kinds of ideas, many of which turn out to be fiction. What is important is not those discussing it, but whether there is evidence. In this case, there is no shred of evidence we are living in a simulation. The Idea has been rejected by numerous philosophers and top scientists who call it exactly what it is; myth and pseudoscience

For instance, Philosopher Norman Swazo concluded that because there is "no reasonably admissible evidence to count for the task of falsification," the simulation hypothesis is "only speculative and not scientific".

The theoretical physicist Sabine Hossenfelder has called it pseudoscience, stating that belief in it requires faith, not logic, and is "Indistinguishable from religion"


And again, Cosmologist George FR Ellis declared it " totally impracticable from a technical viewpoint", adding that its protagonists "seem to have confused science fiction with science. Late night pub discussion is not a viable theory"

Fifth, the Idea lacks any spiritual or philosophical support. No authentic esoteric tradition has ever taught that we live in a computer prigram run by invisible beings. Those spreading this falsehood have misinterpreted genuine spiritual teachings, like "the world is an illusion" or "As above, so below" both metaphoric references, and grafted them onto a modern sci-fi or Sci-Sp narrative.

Finally, what we're left with is a work of fiction. An interesting thought experiment, nothing more. It has no evidence, no scientific support what so ever, no spiritual foundation, and is rejected by the very experts whose fields it tries to borrow from.

So when you see criticism of this idea, please don't take it personally. The mockery is not directed at you, but at an idea that presents itself as profound but collapses under the slightest scrutiny


To be continued.

Cc Lordreed, Deepsght,

I will provide references later.

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Thank you, I will come back soon.

NairalandBishop:
Your Poll is a very useless question though. The presence of the US changed the dynamics of the first and second world war. Without the US, the allied would have been badly beaten, they were getting badly beaten by Germany. All the NATO countries put together without the US are grasshoppers.
Go read and research, the US provided more provisions, weapons and soldiers in WW2 and only then could Hitler be defeated and those grasshopper countries e.g. France could be rescued from Hitler's grip.

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Russia actually carried more of the weight in WW2.

wirinet:
That's the way they celebrate Trump, who doesn't know a single quote from the bible, to use their head to gain power..

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I had to come back to this. It fascinates me how many of them think Trump is a dedicated Christian.

cc: cococandy.

wirinet:
My brother, I am shocked by the way born again Christians are celebrating a simple comment made by Elon Musk. That's the way they celebrate Trump, who doesn't know a single quote from the bible, to use their head to gain power. It's seems born again Christians are looking for anything to validate their religion. Now, tell me which atheist, Muslim or even Ifa worshipper that does not agree with the teachings of christ? Japan a mainly Buddhist (well shinto) religion, celebrate Christmas (the birth of christ) more than any other country in the world, does that make them a Christian country? Someone says he is a cultural Christian, and born again Christians are getting ecstatic.

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Honestly!

This is the teaching that made Rome adopt the religion in the first place. it promotes submitting and subservience to your oppressors. Emperor Constantine saw the opportunity to control his restless empire.
The Jesus teaching I disagree with is the principle of having all your sins and transgressions wiped clean, just because you confess your sins and give your life to Jesus. It kills conscience, makes people commit sins and horrible things over and over again, after asking for forgiveness over and over again. It's against the very fundamental law of nature - Karma. Another person cannot answer for the sins of another person he has no knowledge of. No society can progress without an adequate system of punishment and restitution for crimes and transgressions. This is why deeply religious countries, especially Christian countries, tend to be more Immoral and corrupt than less religious countries.

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I could not agree more. The doctrine of the propitiatory sacrifice for sins in particular as well is completely against all justice. It also represents a barbaric tilt towards ritual human sacrifice.

tctrills:
So you are simply saying that you really have no idea but somehow, your heart just leans towards this theory.
If that is the case, there is no argument to be made here.
In a way, this is your religion. Like many others, you have no evidence but you just depend on faith. That's why you entertain such beliefs.
Basically, you think we are a movie playing in the mind of a God.

Again, to my question, how is this different from creation.

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I repeat, I am agnostic. I don't know. I am having this discussion with LordReed primarily to show him that its a serious possibility worth considering and not a fringe lunatic idea to be laughed off as he seems to think.

As to whether there is a difference between creation and being thoughts in the mind of a God, no there isn't much of a difference.

Small question. What if we are like little cells in the body of a God?

ufotunang:
..see what konji has caused for you 🙄

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This isn't about me Oga.
It's a fact out there.

Men pretend all the time for this purpose.

I even know a Muslim who went as far as pretending till he was made a deacon because he wanted a particular woman.

Wedding night, he brought out his prayer mat from under his bed.

tctrills:
Your entire point here is that you are a simulation in another being's reality. You are programmed.
But then, to understand you better, let's differentiate two things.
Many of us on the religious side believe we are creations.
You believe you are a simulation.
Can you make definitions and differences between the two?
Because at the end, we just might be saying the same thing.

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I like this post.

The truth is that I remain agnostic to this reality and its essential nature. Frankly I dont think we can ever know it while we are here.

Nonetheless the idea that we are "thoughts" in the mind of "God" is one I am acquainted with and frankly feel might just be the case. The very imagination of a divine or transcendental being. Its possible. That would be different from simulation theory but honestly the line is very very thin. Also it could well be that we are the "dream" of another being. It could well be that we are the "living and biological" projections of a mind that we cannot understand. It could also be that we are in a virtual reality spawned by someone else or something else out there.

I do have this persistent feeling though, that death is a pointer to the truth. Because the way the fire just goes out of the candle and the body rots is quite something to reflect on. I often feel it is a pointer to the fact that this world is some sort of fleeting contrived reality. If you have ever experienced the sudden death of a person close to you, it will strike you more poignantly, you will feel that effect of something being suddenly deleted or removed in an incomprehensible way which does not feel on all fours with the true existence of a living and real being.

To add to this the constants and details required to sustain this reality are far too specific such that one is led to believe that there is a design or program of some sort out there. What its purpose is, is hard to tell, but I also have the feeling it may just be an experiment of one kind or the other, a highly advanced experiment by cosmic beings we cannot understand.

There are many possibilities to ponder but even just looking at the workings of ants in an anthill, I will never believe this world is a work of chance.

Hahahahahahaha!
Poor lady doesnt know how far men will go to hit that spot!

jesusjnr2020:
Not surprised that it's the same "teachings of Jesus" that I came here preaching as my word, instead of the Bible, which drew the ire and fury of many 'Christians" here, but has continued to distinguish itself from the rest, as it's now being confirmed by others around the world, including some of the most respected preachers of this generation.

Now it seems to be the Words or teachings of Jesus specifically, instead of the Bible, which is drawing the richest and arguably most influential man on earth, to Jesus, yet again proving itself to be the greatest and most powerful tool on earth to win souls to Christ.

It's no surprise it's the teachings of Jesus, that Jesus Himself commanded His disciples to teach all men to observe, not the Bible. Matthew 28:20

Jesus should always know better on how to win souls into His kingdom.

God bless.

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Go and sit down. You don't even know what it means when someone says they are a cultural Christian. Also who and who disagrees with the fundamental teachings of Jesus? Practically everyone will tell you they agree because it's simple things like love your neighbour etc. that's what Elon is saying, he is not "taking a stand for Christ" or any such BS.

As for me the teaching of bros Jay I don't believe in is turn the other cheek. That teaching is irresponsible and leads to calamity. If anyone slaps you, on a good day you should slap the person back ten times harder.

LordReed:
I didn't sy it wasn't. I maintain that the wave function DOESN'T collapse. Change in intensity is not that same as the wave function collapse. There are several ways of changing the interference intensity so it definitely not the same as the wave function collapse.

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This is an effect on outcome and even if thats all you grant, my point is still proven.

LordReed:
If the wave function collapses the interference pattern ceases, that is what the Double Slit experiment shows. It doesn't happen here.

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But you must perforce agree that there is an effect once you say there is a variation in intensity.

LordReed:
No, you didn't show the wave function collapse. The paper you cited shows variance in INTENSITY of the interference pattern. The interference pattern was still on. If the wave function collapses the interference pattern ceases.

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DeepSight:
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Even if that is the case, you claimed that what I presented did not show wave function collapse whereas it says -

"In this context, the act of focusing attention to photons passing through the double-slit appears to collapse their wave function thus causing a shift toward particle-like behavior reflected in a decreased intensity of wave interference."

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Looking at the underlined above it seems to me you are grasping at straws.

And oh, a variation in intensity is an effect on outcome.

LordReed:
This paper is just a review of that 1st paper you presented, it doesn't show an independent performance of the experiment.

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Even if that is the case, you claimed that what I presented did not show wave function collapse whereas it says -

"In this context, the act of focusing attention to photons passing through the double-slit appears to collapse their wave function thus causing a shift toward particle-like behavior reflected in a decreased intensity of wave interference."

LordReed:
You like are someone telling me to provide evidence the teapot floating in orbit around Jupiter DOESN'T exist because I said no teapots were ever launched into orbit around Jupiter. That is not a logical step for me to take.

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I dont understand. You insisted on showing that conscious observation collapses the wave function. I have now produced that. See my last post. So what are you on about now?

LordReed:
I thoroughly disagree. The wave function collapse ONLY occurs when a detector is introduced. You CANNOT cause wave function collapse by consciousness or else we would never have seen the interference pattern in the first place.

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Support your disagreement with papers.

I am digging up papers to satisfy you. See above posts.

Yes again, LordReed, here is another study satisfying your request for a wave function collapse triggered by conscious observation -

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37714569/

Summary -

Abstract

The well-known, quantum physics "double-slit" experiment was the first demonstration of wave-particle duality of light-photons naturally behave like waves, but once they are registered by a conscious observer they switch to behaving like particles. In recent years, a new avenue of research has reported a psychophysical interaction occurring when focused attention was employed in the double-slit experiment. In this context, the act of focusing attention to photons passing through the double-slit appears to collapse their wave function thus causing a shift toward particle-like behavior reflected in a decreased intensity of wave interference. Contrary to the common belief that physical events have a unidirectional, first-order causal effect on cognition, these studies suggest that mental activities are capable of influencing physical systems.

The full paper of the six experiments I originally cited.

www.esalq.usp.br/lepse/imgs/conteudo_thumb/Consciousness-and-the-double-slit-interference-pattern-Six-experiments.pdf

The summary is -

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Publications
Consciousness and the Double-Slit Interference Pattern
June 1, 2012
Arnaud Delorme, PhD, Dean Radin, PhD
Six Experiments
Radin, D., Michel, L., Galdamez, K., Wendland, P., Rickenbach, R., Delorme, A. (2012) Consciousness and the double-slit interference pattern: Six experiments. Physics Essays: June 2012, Vol. 25, No. 2, pp. 157-171.

Abstract
A double-slit optical system was used to test the possible role of consciousness in the collapse of the quantum wavefunction. The ratio of the interference pattern’s double-slit spectral power to its single-slit spectral power was predicted to decrease when attention was focused toward the double slit as compared to away from it. Each test session consisted of 40 counterbalanced attention-toward and attention-away epochs, where each epoch lasted between 15 and 30 s. Data contributed by 137 people in six experiments, involving a total of 250 test sessions, indicate that on average the spectral ratio decreased as predicted (z=-4:36, p=6·10-6 ). Another 250 control sessions conducted without observers present tested hardware, software, and analytical procedures for potential artifacts; none were identified (z=0:43, p=0:67). Variables including temperature, vibration, and signal drift were also tested, and no spurious influences were identified. By contrast, factors associated with consciousness, such as meditation experience, electrocortical markers of focused attention, and psychological factors including openness and absorption, significantly correlated in predicted ways with perturbations in the double-slit interference pattern. The results appear to be consistent with a consciousness-related interpretation of the quantum measurement problem.

See also -

https://www.academia.edu/5281943/Consciousness_and_the_double_slit_interference_pattern_Six_experiments

LordReed,

Here is a very thorough and exhaustive write up. It is very detailed so you may have to distill carefully. But I distill the following for you from it -


To be or not to be

The decision to travel as a wave or as a particle has to be made at the first beam splitter, however, this decision depends on the last beam splitter being there – particle – or not being there – wave.

The outcome of the Australian experiment is that the behavior of the atom – interference or not – is always in line the ‘presence’ of the last beam splitter. See figure below. The red curve shows the hits when the last beam splitter was ‘present’. The hit rate shown by the red curve depends on an extra added phase shift. This is clearly unquestionably the case. The blue line shows the hit rate when the last beam splitter was not ‘present’. An extra added phase shift – Δφ – has clearly no influence on the hit rate, both detectors are hit evenly. There is no interference.

How do we explain this outcome? We have these options:

1. The atom knows the status of the last beam splitter in the near future and adapts its behavior on that knowledge.

2. The atom changes its behavior backwards in time depending on the presence of the last beam splitter.

3. The atom, its wave or particle behavior and its detection become manifest at the moment of detection. It does not exist as a particle before measurement but only as a possibility wave.

The last option is – although contrary to our impression of a world of permanent objects – the least unbelievable in my opinion.

However, if this was just one single stand-alone experiment, we could perhaps still ignore it despite the the scientific and academic status of the experimenters. Luckily, there are other experiments confirming the above results. When you follow the guided tour you will come across them.

You can find the above here -

https://quantumphysics-consciousness.eu/index.php/en/a-delayed-choice-mach-zehnder-experiment/

But the entire article starts here -

https://quantumphysics-consciousness.eu/index.php/en/quantum-physics-consciousness-and-information-the-double-slit-experiment/

Follow the links at the bottom of each page to read through.

keemsleek:
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Thanks for the correction noticed. Thats ur own opinion and it doesn't change how others feel. Some says buhari is d worst, Jonathan was corrupt, obi was d worst governor. Everybody with thier own opinion.

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It is the opinion of the honest majority.

Buhari was a star compared to Bola.

LordReed:
I dunno what you mean by insist on a particular outcome. The wave function collapse is one of the things the experiment is famous for.

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I don't even mind a discussion where we dig into that because I can show you the details of that paper by paper.

What frightens me is the principle you are deploying.

If we say that consciousness affects outcomes, the point should be ceded once any outcomes are provably affected.

To say no, the point will only be satisfied if outcomes are affected in a specific manner is scary.

If you accede that any effect on outcomes goes to the point, that would be fair enough. But the principle behind saying only one kind of effect suffices is something I can't cope with.

Having said that, here is a study (in medicine this time) with the following conclusion:

. . . . we have shown that the presence of the subject in a state of high concentrated attention had an influence on wave-particle duality of the electromagnetic wave, attenuating visibility (wave properties) significantly and consequently increases corpuscularity, except for the relax group, in all groups compared to control. This fact means that the laser wave function collapsed in the interactive field of focused attention
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306987719307352

keemsleek:
I don't get it, Is it that tinubu doesn't have good PR? Cos all this while, they where saying he did nothing in the North and suddenly boom different project, when you add them up it's much than the calabar lagos coastal road. Even in the south south, south eastern we beginning to see projects video but not much from south west. prosperity will judge every president that ruled nigeria. Someday we will appreciate what each president did. No president can do it all.

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Posterity (not prosperity) will record Bola as the worst president in the history of this country.

LordReed:
I don't know what else to tell you. My position is it does not cause the wave function collapse. Your paper says it causes something else which a counter paper says it doesn't. My initial position was not countered.

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It is possible this conversation has failed if you insist this way.
Because I cant imagine how anyone can insist on the bold when it is obvious that the issue is consciousness affecting outcomes. To insist on a particular outcome is beyond me and I dont think I have the intellectual capacity to address myself to such a strange position.

Willy2025:
Shame will never allow PO and his supporters to admit that they were wrong about this road in the beginning. That's why they are secretly plying the road quietly

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Even if that road turns out to be the best highway in the universe it remains a wrong priority in a nation with no power and it remains a corrupt enterprise given by a corrupt man to his corrupt friend corruptly.

LordReed:
We might be talking past each other. I am focused on the collapse of the wave function as you can see with this post from the other thread.


The paper you linked DOES NOT show that the wave function is collapsed by conscious observation.

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Are you telling me that even when it is shown that conscious observation affects outcomes, if it is not shown to affect the collapse of the wave function specifically then you will insist that conscious observation does not affect outcomes in the experiment?

advanceDNA:
Its a metaphor of dealing with the flesh of the unrepentant church member….Na u nor read bible…. But u dey accuse pastor

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That is no metaphor ol boy.